Evolution on Windows has never been considered stable, or supported. I've used Evolution on linux for quite some time with no problems, although I don't have an exchange server at home, I've used it with IMAP quite extensively.
I seem to remember a recent Novell statement that they intended to make Evolution on windows a viable option, finally.
I'm not sure about KDE, but I'm pretty sure he's talking about how there's not so much of a system clipboard as there is an application clip board with system level pointers. When I was a new Linux user I noted that I couldn't open Firefox, copy something, close Firefox, open another app and paste it. In order to paste between applications, both applications need to remain open.
I've gotten used to the behavior and it not longer causes be problems, but I know the behavior hasn't changed and that it still causes woes for new switchers.
The WIN32 API is basically just a collection of library files (dlls) in the c:\windows\* folders. Not running explorer doesn't effect that. You'd just have a different program to organize your desktop, launch applications, etc. Programs access the Win32 API by making calls into those DLLs. As long as you don't delete the DLLs, your API is still there. You'd loose explorer specific functionality--ie, things like adding WinRAR to your context menu--might not work if whoever compiled KDE for Windows didn't ensure that part worked, but it won't prevent any of your individual applications from running and working with each other.
Of course, if you're using KDE on Windows as a migration step towards KDE on Linux, once you move to Linux the WIN32 API disappears along with the windows apps.
So "semi-identical" twins by two different men would be an extremely rare and interesting bit of news, since the twins would each have genetic material from both fathers.
Umm, no they wouldn't. They're semi-identical because they're from the same egg but different sperm. If there was a double-penetration act each semi-twin would still have a distinct father, but share since they shared the same egg, would share the same placenta and traits inherited from the mother.
To the casual observer, the two would appear no different than fraternal twins.
Your description sounded really "out there" so I did some looking. There's a paragraph on wikipedia that gives a good summary: Chimerism. The rest of the page is about intersex (hermaphrodite).
The only problem I have with government regulations guiding a sector is that it generally leads to that sector providing the minimal of service.
Take health care, for example. Whenever Medicare says they're going to provide this level of service, all of the insurance companies flock to that level of service. It used to be that patients spent the night in the hospital, where the nursing staff could ensure that they didn't eat/drink anything they weren't supposed to, etc. Now you had a hospital full of patients ready for surgery. If one patient wasn't ready for some reason, you just swapped schedules and took the guy that's supposed to go in 2 hours, cause he's already ready already.
Now everyone comes in just a short time before their operation. "Did you eat anything in the last 12 hours? --Well, I had a light breakfast. --Great, the anesthesia will kill you. Now we have to wait 6 hours. When's the next patient arrive? Oh, in 2 hours? Time to twiddle thumbs." No insurance company will pay for an overnight anymore because Medicare said it was a waste of money. If we say telecoms have to offer a minimum of 1Mb/s to everyone in the country, that's what we'll get--nothing over 1Mb/s.
But I digress. Clearly the telecoms industry sucks. Part of that might be because they are already so heavily regulated, part of it is because they almost all have local monopolies so don't really compete. I'm not sure what the solution is. Regulation looks like the answer, but I'm not sure there is an answer.
This is exactly how it should be, and has been everywhere I've worked, including the couple of places where I was part of the IT group. I've seen sites like youtube, metacafe, et al blocked, but never webmail.
Blocking webmail just means you'll have more company signatures attached to forwards urging a boycott of Starbucks for being unamerican, grass roots campaigning for politicians, or a number of other things you're company doesn't officially support. Once that signature goes on there, someone's going to attribute it to the company, and you just don't want that.
Unless you read their e-mail, too, in which case I would a) never work for your company b) never do personal business with your company c) be leering of recommending your company's products or services to my employer. How can you trust an organization that doesn't trust their own employees? Obviously price, performance, etc are important, but so is reputation and knowing about things like this don't help your company's reputation.
Sorry; I'd written my post for native speakers of English, who are able to speak the sentence with proper intonation, such that the indented reading is clear. Translation: "Because English is my native language, I'm excused from understanding how commas work. Therefore, you're an idiot."
Oh, and double points for the lacking a sense of humor. Congrats!
You do a very good job of picking individual, and often only incomplete, sentences and ignoring everything else. Again, you're missing my point entirely. We aren't even having the same conversation, so this is the last post I'll make.
I really like you're point about the user group with shell scripts. You're very right; that would happen. It would be just very similar Automatix or EasyUbuntu, I would imagine. That could actually solve the problems that I expect.
I feel like I'm kicking a dead horse, but maybe a list will help. These are the things I expect--I don't trust the OEMs. They've screwed up Windows for the home user*, and here's how they could screw up Linux.
A) You're right. There's no spyware now. Wait till a major company sells a Linux desktop for a few years. It will be added. I could write some right now for you. It wouldn't be very good, but that would only mean it would fit with all the current Windows spyware. Users won't worry so much about getting infected by it as they do on windows, but it will be preinstalled.
B) The recovery disk included will suck. It will only let you reinstall. No options, similar to current windows restore disks. Hurray for disk images! These will reinstall all of the spyware.
C) Hardware drivers will only be included on the restore disk. Expect binary blobs. They may even expect some goofy change to the Kernel**.
D) Ones only option for a clean system will be installing a pure system. This is a catch-22 as it lacks the drivers and doesn't get support.
Letter D on the list is what puts us back in the current situation. Currently, the only way to get a decent system from Dell is to purchase a retail copy of Windows. You WILL be supported by Dell if you install that, and you'll have a clean system. IF they sell linux, the only way you'll be able to get a clean system is by installing a retail copy of Linux. Except when you do that you WON'T get support because it won't be the Dell linux, and you won't have drivers. W00t! Mom will be thrilled! Or more likely, oblivious. She'll have spyware.
I would be absolutely thrilled if Dell offered a vanilla install of Suse, Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS, or even your hand rolled LFS. I really don't give a flying fart. I just want it to be a vanilla install free of paid advertisements, claria games, and all of that other crap. And I want it to be supported so my Mom can use it and not call me so damn much. But the OEMs are a bunch of assholes competing in a difficult market with slim margins, so they'll fill it with adware making a clean system no longer an option.
Well, unless the scripting community saves us, and you're absolutely right. They will. You'll be able to add a repository, install a tool, and BAM, clean system, no need to download a vanilla install. This is the point I neglected and you called me on it. Good job. Users shouldn't have to do this, though, and they will.
They need to pick a distro and stick with it. But they won't; they'll pick a distro and poison it before they install it. Maybe not at first, but if it gains any traction, they will. Just like Windows.
-- *I know, MS didn't help matters... ** Yes, the kernel change would be open source, but it would also mean the drivers wouldn't work on a clean install of another distro. You'd either have to patch the kernel or run the Dell kernel on your Fedora, Ubuntu, etc.
Cars are different--why is this analogy always used? it's horrible--and I think you might have missed the point. What's the use of manufacturers installing Linux and offering support if they're just going to pre-install a spyware filled custom version? They may as well install Windows.
At least with Windows you can buy a retail copy and install spyware free. If they install some custom "Dell OS" it doesn't matter that's it's Linux and it's supported, if they find out you're running Fedora or Ubuntu or whatever they say "Piss Off." Welcome to the present state. Nothing changed.
The whole thing is we want something BETTER than the current "Install Linux and you get no support" situation.
I have a feeling the most money to be had is from things like browser monitors that record your internet activity. I could see this added to a custom dell kernel.
pre-loaded windows systems come full of advertisement crap such as free AOL installs which will dramatically decrease the cost of the PC to you and me. This is one of the many ways PC manufacturers keep the cost of the machine down. It's very likely that the advertising revenue is greater than the pittance they pay for the OS in their ginormous... When companies like Dell begin selling PCs with Linux pre-installed for consumers we will quickly see the emergence of exactly this kind of crap that infests Windows. The upside is downloading and installing an alternative OS to clean up the pre-installed crap is free. The downside is that the "Dells" probably won't offer support if you swap the OS and have access to the source such that they can bury the ad-ware deep within the system.
I expect tricks like goofy proprietary hardware that requires special drivers only found on the Dell-branded linux restore disk, close source software that actually adds value, but is only on the restore disk, etc.
Excellent point! Expect to see a nVidia/Intel partnership in 5, 4, 3, 2... Good call! That must be why nVidia has decided to enter the x86 chip market and Intel has significantly improved their GPU offerings, as well as indicate they may include vector units in future chips, because these companies plan to work together in the future! It's so obvious! I wish I hadn't paid attention these past 6 months, as it's clearly confused me!
The only thing you get from the MPAA if you pay is access to the keys. Anyone can implement the decryption algorithm based on info from the AACS website. The KEYS are the trade secrets, and those aren't provided. Holes in PowerDVD and WinDVD provide those;)
One wonders if the OP actually started a search, or just assumed what he was looking for was a $300 gaming card and gave up immediately. Just because you're local Best Buy price gouges you doesn't mean the product doesn't exist. Local used computer shops are good, too. I got a used PCI nVidia card with DVI for $15.
I had read the article when it was on digg a few days ago... I guess I missed/forgot about the question raised. The whole mixed portfolio thing throws me, though. It sounds to me like they co-developed MP3 and agreed that either of them could sell it to customers. Only one decided to sell it, and now the other is suing customers because they decided not to. Sounds almost like a bait and switch!
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I always use 4 for exact numbers, and 4. for numbers with only one significant figure.
I had that problem on Gentoo, also. Troll the Gentoo forums and/or wiki. I forget what I did to fix it, but it wasn't hard.
In fact, just search "sunday calendar gnome" on forums.gentoo.org. I just did.
Evolution on Windows has never been considered stable, or supported. I've used Evolution on linux for quite some time with no problems, although I don't have an exchange server at home, I've used it with IMAP quite extensively.
I seem to remember a recent Novell statement that they intended to make Evolution on windows a viable option, finally.
That's not how you spell GNOME.
I'm not sure about KDE, but I'm pretty sure he's talking about how there's not so much of a system clipboard as there is an application clip board with system level pointers. When I was a new Linux user I noted that I couldn't open Firefox, copy something, close Firefox, open another app and paste it. In order to paste between applications, both applications need to remain open.
I've gotten used to the behavior and it not longer causes be problems, but I know the behavior hasn't changed and that it still causes woes for new switchers.
The WIN32 API is basically just a collection of library files (dlls) in the c:\windows\* folders. Not running explorer doesn't effect that. You'd just have a different program to organize your desktop, launch applications, etc. Programs access the Win32 API by making calls into those DLLs. As long as you don't delete the DLLs, your API is still there. You'd loose explorer specific functionality--ie, things like adding WinRAR to your context menu--might not work if whoever compiled KDE for Windows didn't ensure that part worked, but it won't prevent any of your individual applications from running and working with each other.
Of course, if you're using KDE on Windows as a migration step towards KDE on Linux, once you move to Linux the WIN32 API disappears along with the windows apps.
Umm, no they wouldn't. They're semi-identical because they're from the same egg but different sperm. If there was a double-penetration act each semi-twin would still have a distinct father, but share since they shared the same egg, would share the same placenta and traits inherited from the mother.
To the casual observer, the two would appear no different than fraternal twins.
Your description sounded really "out there" so I did some looking. There's a paragraph on wikipedia that gives a good summary: Chimerism. The rest of the page is about intersex (hermaphrodite).
The only problem I have with government regulations guiding a sector is that it generally leads to that sector providing the minimal of service.
Take health care, for example. Whenever Medicare says they're going to provide this level of service, all of the insurance companies flock to that level of service. It used to be that patients spent the night in the hospital, where the nursing staff could ensure that they didn't eat/drink anything they weren't supposed to, etc. Now you had a hospital full of patients ready for surgery. If one patient wasn't ready for some reason, you just swapped schedules and took the guy that's supposed to go in 2 hours, cause he's already ready already.
Now everyone comes in just a short time before their operation. "Did you eat anything in the last 12 hours? --Well, I had a light breakfast. --Great, the anesthesia will kill you. Now we have to wait 6 hours. When's the next patient arrive? Oh, in 2 hours? Time to twiddle thumbs." No insurance company will pay for an overnight anymore because Medicare said it was a waste of money. If we say telecoms have to offer a minimum of 1Mb/s to everyone in the country, that's what we'll get--nothing over 1Mb/s.
But I digress. Clearly the telecoms industry sucks. Part of that might be because they are already so heavily regulated, part of it is because they almost all have local monopolies so don't really compete. I'm not sure what the solution is. Regulation looks like the answer, but I'm not sure there is an answer.
Where I went to HS, they still charge $50-70/mo for 256k access.
This is exactly how it should be, and has been everywhere I've worked, including the couple of places where I was part of the IT group. I've seen sites like youtube, metacafe, et al blocked, but never webmail.
Blocking webmail just means you'll have more company signatures attached to forwards urging a boycott of Starbucks for being unamerican, grass roots campaigning for politicians, or a number of other things you're company doesn't officially support. Once that signature goes on there, someone's going to attribute it to the company, and you just don't want that.
Unless you read their e-mail, too, in which case I would
a) never work for your company
b) never do personal business with your company
c) be leering of recommending your company's products or services to my employer. How can you trust an organization that doesn't trust their own employees? Obviously price, performance, etc are important, but so is reputation and knowing about things like this don't help your company's reputation.
Oh, and double points for the lacking a sense of humor. Congrats!
I asked my bending unit about your little theory. He's convinced the solution is "KILL ALL HUMANS"
Slashdot's trying to compete with digg. All the 12yr olds are flocking over there.
This sounds vaguely familiar. What's it from?
They already include these tools on windows. Why aren't they scandalized now?
You do a very good job of picking individual, and often only incomplete, sentences and ignoring everything else. Again, you're missing my point entirely. We aren't even having the same conversation, so this is the last post I'll make.
I really like you're point about the user group with shell scripts. You're very right; that would happen. It would be just very similar Automatix or EasyUbuntu, I would imagine. That could actually solve the problems that I expect.
I feel like I'm kicking a dead horse, but maybe a list will help. These are the things I expect--I don't trust the OEMs. They've screwed up Windows for the home user*, and here's how they could screw up Linux.
A) You're right. There's no spyware now. Wait till a major company sells a Linux desktop for a few years. It will be added. I could write some right now for you. It wouldn't be very good, but that would only mean it would fit with all the current Windows spyware. Users won't worry so much about getting infected by it as they do on windows, but it will be preinstalled.
B) The recovery disk included will suck. It will only let you reinstall. No options, similar to current windows restore disks. Hurray for disk images! These will reinstall all of the spyware.
C) Hardware drivers will only be included on the restore disk. Expect binary blobs. They may even expect some goofy change to the Kernel**.
D) Ones only option for a clean system will be installing a pure system. This is a catch-22 as it lacks the drivers and doesn't get support.
Letter D on the list is what puts us back in the current situation. Currently, the only way to get a decent system from Dell is to purchase a retail copy of Windows. You WILL be supported by Dell if you install that, and you'll have a clean system. IF they sell linux, the only way you'll be able to get a clean system is by installing a retail copy of Linux. Except when you do that you WON'T get support because it won't be the Dell linux, and you won't have drivers. W00t! Mom will be thrilled! Or more likely, oblivious. She'll have spyware.
I would be absolutely thrilled if Dell offered a vanilla install of Suse, Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS, or even your hand rolled LFS. I really don't give a flying fart. I just want it to be a vanilla install free of paid advertisements, claria games, and all of that other crap. And I want it to be supported so my Mom can use it and not call me so damn much. But the OEMs are a bunch of assholes competing in a difficult market with slim margins, so they'll fill it with adware making a clean system no longer an option.
Well, unless the scripting community saves us, and you're absolutely right. They will. You'll be able to add a repository, install a tool, and BAM, clean system, no need to download a vanilla install. This is the point I neglected and you called me on it. Good job. Users shouldn't have to do this, though, and they will.
They need to pick a distro and stick with it. But they won't; they'll pick a distro and poison it before they install it. Maybe not at first, but if it gains any traction, they will. Just like Windows.
--
*I know, MS didn't help matters...
** Yes, the kernel change would be open source, but it would also mean the drivers wouldn't work on a clean install of another distro. You'd either have to patch the kernel or run the Dell kernel on your Fedora, Ubuntu, etc.
Cars are different--why is this analogy always used? it's horrible--and I think you might have missed the point. What's the use of manufacturers installing Linux and offering support if they're just going to pre-install a spyware filled custom version? They may as well install Windows.
At least with Windows you can buy a retail copy and install spyware free. If they install some custom "Dell OS" it doesn't matter that's it's Linux and it's supported, if they find out you're running Fedora or Ubuntu or whatever they say "Piss Off." Welcome to the present state. Nothing changed.
The whole thing is we want something BETTER than the current "Install Linux and you get no support" situation.
I have a feeling the most money to be had is from things like browser monitors that record your internet activity. I could see this added to a custom dell kernel.
I expect tricks like goofy proprietary hardware that requires special drivers only found on the Dell-branded linux restore disk, close source software that actually adds value, but is only on the restore disk, etc.
The only thing you get from the MPAA if you pay is access to the keys. Anyone can implement the decryption algorithm based on info from the AACS website. The KEYS are the trade secrets, and those aren't provided. Holes in PowerDVD and WinDVD provide those ;)
Or he can get any of these starting at $80 before rebates if PCI is ok, these if AGP 4/8x is your game, or these if you want PCI x16.
Seriously... find your favorite online shop and run an advanced search. That's what they're there for.
One wonders if the OP actually started a search, or just assumed what he was looking for was a $300 gaming card and gave up immediately. Just because you're local Best Buy price gouges you doesn't mean the product doesn't exist. Local used computer shops are good, too. I got a used PCI nVidia card with DVI for $15.
I had read the article when it was on digg a few days ago... I guess I missed/forgot about the question raised. The whole mixed portfolio thing throws me, though. It sounds to me like they co-developed MP3 and agreed that either of them could sell it to customers. Only one decided to sell it, and now the other is suing customers because they decided not to. Sounds almost like a bait and switch!