There is no government mandated censorship of ISPs in the UK. Use of this blacklist by ISPs is done on an entirely voluntary basis and it is perfectly legal, possible and easy to get your service from an ISP that doesn't use the blacklist. Only the cheap, mass market, consumer ISPs like Virgin Media, AOL etc. have opted in. Most business focused and independent ISPs are un-censored (e.g. www.zen.co.uk).
There is no government mandated censorship of ISPs in the UK. Use of this blacklist by ISPs is done on an entirely voluntary basis and it is perfectly legal, possible and easy to get your service from an ISP that doesn't use the blacklist. Only the cheap, mass market, consumer ISPs like Virgin Media, AOL etc. have opted in. Business focused and independant ISPS provide you with an un-censored pipe (e.g. www.zen.co.uk).
Maybe in Johannesburg. But where I am, whites, blacks and coloureds all live in close proximity to each other in a non-gated community (granted many homes have ADT armed response cover but that's because the police service is incompetent).
I am a very happy user of Zen (www.zen.co.uk). They don't use Phorm (or any other filter), are very geek friendly, have been going since 1996 and consistently win best broadband awards at the annual ISPA awards ceremony (and I don't work for them!)
As an aside to this, could you recommend a decent "geek friendly" ISP in France? I'm moving with my company to the South of France early next year and I could really do with some geek approved recommendations as I know nothing about French ISPs.
Ideally, I'd want a rock solid connection at 8MBit with 50GB/month bandwidth quota and no shaping/throttling. I'd also like to use my own router and I don't need TV/phone etc. bundled. A reliable, fast pipe to the intertubes is all i want.
I'd just like to say that during all of this the one man that deserves the community's recognition is DJB. I've been following this on and off since the exploit erupted and through out all of it the one thing that has been missing is significant, heartfelt praise for DJB. He's often maligned by the open source community for releasing his code to the public domain but the fact remains the guy produces and ships kick ass code. Qmail and Tinydns absolutely rock and I think it's a great shame the man doesn't get the recognition he deserves. It's mildly ironic that another of today's Slashdot stories talks about the problem of multiple open source license proliferation with many people stating the solution should be releasing code to the public domain. This is exactly what DJB did and he got torpedoed for it.
"So what you're saying is, the sooner we shut down GMail, Yahoo! Mail, Google Docs, Google Maps, Digg, Meebo, and every other DHTML app in existence, the better off we'll be?"
No, what he's saying is that we should be achieving so much more than we are doing and the reason we aren't is largely the fault of the current web development paradigm and its associated tools. Lets face it, all of the "apps" you mentioned are essentially clever toys and extremely basic when compared against desktop equivalents. And I don't buy the argument that "they were never meant to compete with desktop apps and so the comparison isn't fair". Why can't they be as good or even better? Answer: the current web development tools and environment prevent it.
BTW, the above rant comes from someone who makes a living developing and supporting web apps.
You make a very good point but I think what you describe may not necessarily be as true for the 21st century as it has been for the bulk of the 20th century. I think a 21st century version/interpretation of patronage could open a producer's work to a much larger audience than was possible under 18th century patronage (at least for any works that could be digitally replicated and distributed i.e. music, film and literature).
Perhaps the natural counter-balance will be a stronger push by artists and their publishers towards more performances, book readings etc. Real world events that are immune to digital replication.
"the reason it is not common for things like music and software is simply that it does not work as well." - for who, the producer or the consumer? I believe the parent is arguing that patronage represents a fairer balance from the consumer's point of view than copyright, which is too loaded in favour of the producer.
See my earlier post re: Draytek. They're the closest thing to a "pro-sumer" router I've come across (and I've tested/used 10s of different makes and model of router).
Short of buying proper gear from Cisco (not Linksys) or similar, which I agree is crazy for a home network, I've found Draytek to be the only manufacturer worth trusting. I've been using their hardware for years (even for ISDN routers prior to ADSL) and have *never* experienced a problem. They cost more than Netgear/Dlink/Linksys but are as reliable as you get. The only time they ever get cycled is if I have a power cut or my ISP borks. IMHO you can't beat them.
If I'm not mistaken, using Debian you can grab source packages as opposed to binaries simply by running apt-get source packagename rather than apt-get packagename
Fuck me you're biased. Compare the US rescue effort immediately post Katrina with the Chinese one and ask yourself who's living in the third world? You can bet your self righteous ass the US would have done a better job if the hurricane had landed in California or New York or Washington i.e. somewhere non-black and poor. As far as I'm concerned racism is as bad as human rights abuse. Before berating the Chinese maybe you should focus your vitriol on cleaning up your own house. Fuck you, you should be embarrassed.
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There is no government mandated censorship of ISPs in the UK. Use of this blacklist by ISPs is done on an entirely voluntary basis and it is perfectly legal, possible and easy to get your service from an ISP that doesn't use the blacklist. Only the cheap, mass market, consumer ISPs like Virgin Media, AOL etc. have opted in. Most business focused and independent ISPs are un-censored (e.g. www.zen.co.uk).
There is no government mandated censorship of ISPs in the UK. Use of this blacklist by ISPs is done on an entirely voluntary basis and it is perfectly legal, possible and easy to get your service from an ISP that doesn't use the blacklist. Only the cheap, mass market, consumer ISPs like Virgin Media, AOL etc. have opted in. Business focused and independant ISPS provide you with an un-censored pipe (e.g. www.zen.co.uk).
Maybe in Johannesburg. But where I am, whites, blacks and coloureds all live in close proximity to each other in a non-gated community (granted many homes have ADT armed response cover but that's because the police service is incompetent).
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I am a very happy user of Zen (www.zen.co.uk). They don't use Phorm (or any other filter), are very geek friendly, have been going since 1996 and consistently win best broadband awards at the annual ISPA awards ceremony (and I don't work for them!)
Sounds like my boss....
rofl!
Damn - that hurts my brain!
Cal Henderson's routine is the best RFC compliant regex I have ever found to verify an email address:
http://code.iamcal.com/php/rfc822/
Most of BBC online is powered by perl - I'd say that's fairly large scale...
That's from the summary of the sixth result - how times have changed :)
As an aside to this, could you recommend a decent "geek friendly" ISP in France? I'm moving with my company to the South of France early next year and I could really do with some geek approved recommendations as I know nothing about French ISPs.
Ideally, I'd want a rock solid connection at 8MBit with 50GB/month bandwidth quota and no shaping/throttling. I'd also like to use my own router and I don't need TV/phone etc. bundled. A reliable, fast pipe to the intertubes is all i want.
Jesus. It's a good job you posted AC, I wouldn't want that nonsensical drivel associated with my nick.
I'd just like to say that during all of this the one man that deserves the community's recognition is DJB. I've been following this on and off since the exploit erupted and through out all of it the one thing that has been missing is significant, heartfelt praise for DJB. He's often maligned by the open source community for releasing his code to the public domain but the fact remains the guy produces and ships kick ass code. Qmail and Tinydns absolutely rock and I think it's a great shame the man doesn't get the recognition he deserves. It's mildly ironic that another of today's Slashdot stories talks about the problem of multiple open source license proliferation with many people stating the solution should be releasing code to the public domain. This is exactly what DJB did and he got torpedoed for it.
"So what you're saying is, the sooner we shut down GMail, Yahoo! Mail, Google Docs, Google Maps, Digg, Meebo, and every other DHTML app in existence, the better off we'll be?"
No, what he's saying is that we should be achieving so much more than we are doing and the reason we aren't is largely the fault of the current web development paradigm and its associated tools. Lets face it, all of the "apps" you mentioned are essentially clever toys and extremely basic when compared against desktop equivalents. And I don't buy the argument that "they were never meant to compete with desktop apps and so the comparison isn't fair". Why can't they be as good or even better? Answer: the current web development tools and environment prevent it.
BTW, the above rant comes from someone who makes a living developing and supporting web apps.
You make a very good point but I think what you describe may not necessarily be as true for the 21st century as it has been for the bulk of the 20th century. I think a 21st century version/interpretation of patronage could open a producer's work to a much larger audience than was possible under 18th century patronage (at least for any works that could be digitally replicated and distributed i.e. music, film and literature).
Perhaps the natural counter-balance will be a stronger push by artists and their publishers towards more performances, book readings etc. Real world events that are immune to digital replication.
"the reason it is not common for things like music and software is simply that it does not work as well." - for who, the producer or the consumer? I believe the parent is arguing that patronage represents a fairer balance from the consumer's point of view than copyright, which is too loaded in favour of the producer.
See my earlier post re: Draytek. They're the closest thing to a "pro-sumer" router I've come across (and I've tested/used 10s of different makes and model of router).
Short of buying proper gear from Cisco (not Linksys) or similar, which I agree is crazy for a home network, I've found Draytek to be the only manufacturer worth trusting. I've been using their hardware for years (even for ISDN routers prior to ADSL) and have *never* experienced a problem. They cost more than Netgear/Dlink/Linksys but are as reliable as you get. The only time they ever get cycled is if I have a power cut or my ISP borks. IMHO you can't beat them.
If I'm not mistaken, using Debian you can grab source packages as opposed to binaries simply by running apt-get source packagename rather than apt-get packagename
Excellent!
That f***ing cracked me up - well done! :)
People like you bore me - end of discussion.
Fuck me you're biased. Compare the US rescue effort immediately post Katrina with the Chinese one and ask yourself who's living in the third world? You can bet your self righteous ass the US would have done a better job if the hurricane had landed in California or New York or Washington i.e. somewhere non-black and poor. As far as I'm concerned racism is as bad as human rights abuse. Before berating the Chinese maybe you should focus your vitriol on cleaning up your own house. Fuck you, you should be embarrassed.
I love that this is moderated insightful :)