ubuntu, gentoo, suse, fedora, etc all take care of 3d drivers for you. You will have to install them, but from their easy to use package management that you will need to know how to use anyways to keep your system patched.
You guys must not use 3d video games. The drivers that come with sp2 SUCK for both ati and nvidia 3d support. Lets go over my exp for both my p4 machine and my AMD64 with windows.
computer 1)P4 3ghz, i87p motherboard from intel, soundblaster audigy 2, nvidia 6800, onboard network card.
Computer 2) AMD64 3500, DFI Nforce4 ultra-D motherobard, onboard nvidia sound, nvidia 6800GT video card, onboard network card.
Install windows on computer one. Boots up, no sound, video limited to 1024x768, no network card. I need to install motherboard drivers from Intel CD, then reboot. Then I need to go out and download video drivers from nvidia and install, then reboot. Now change my res to 1600x1200. Then I have to use soundblaster CD to install drivers, then reboot, then go to soundblasters website, update drivers, then reboot. Then go to windows update, download updates, reboot. Now I need the multibutton mouse functions, go to MICROSOFTS website, download mouse drivers, install and reboot. Computer now works. But I'm not protected so I have to download antivir, install and reboot. Now i want to mount iso's, so I need to go download damontools, install and reboot. Now i'm good to use the system. But I dont have any apps, so I have to go install all those and possibly reboot.
Install Windows on computer two. Boots up, no sound, no network, video limited. Install nforce4 drivers from motherboard disk., reboot. Now I have network support and sound. Now I follow all the other steps from computer one to get video, mouse, windows udpates, antivirus, etc.
Linux on computer one. Insert ubuntu CD. Boots up, sound works, video is 2D only, but in right resolution (1600x1200). network works. Mouse only has 3 buttons that work. I open synaptic and find 3d drivers for nvidia. Click and then install, then I reboot. Now I have 3d support. I do some googling and find entry I need to add to fix mouse in my xorg.conf. I copy and paste it, then reboot and mouse works. I do not need a special app to mount isos, and I do not need antivirus.
The exact same is done on computer number two.
So in the long run, I have to reboot a lot less to get a working system. And its a lot less work for the install. What hardware did you have that all your things worked properly without downloading any drivers?
You know, with the new GUI installer actually working now, its very possible for a noob to install and use gentoo.
I did an install on a spare drive last night with the 2006.0 installer. It worked great and I didn't have to do any real work to install it.
Or my situation. I want to try mac, I need a new laptop, but I want to make sure I have linux to fall back on if I hate mac OSX. This is best of both worlds. I can try mac and if I hate it I can just drop right back to my good old ubuntu.
I plan on ordering an intel mac once I get confirmation that linux is booting on them and what the steps are if it is different then the normal install with a liveCD. But if that takes to long I might just have to give up. I can't wait forever for a new machine.
I personally have slowly switched to linux with gnome. The more I use gnome, the more I slowly try to make it look like OSX. I did all this without ever even using a mac. In the last year or more I have tried to use my windows partition, found it cumbersome to do what I needed/wanted to do and eventually removed the windows partitions. Then I got a job at a college and started using macs on occasion for testing purposes (we have macs for some classes and purposes). Now I'm seriously looking at buying a mac.
This is from a guy who has NEVER bought a pre-built box. I have always built my own machines. Now i'm watching apple carefully to see how this intel thing pans out. I'm looking for my first laptop. I want a powerbook. I know that worst case, if I dont like MacOSX fulltime and it is an x86 processor that I should have no problem putting linux back on it. So there is very little risk in buying a x86 apple for me. There was much more risk when the had PPC processors because not all the programs I use in linux will compile on the PPC. Sure I'm only 1 guy, but if there are others like me it could be a decent market share. Apple has never had large market share to begin with, so if they can grab a few percent of another nitch marketshare they are doing good.
Do they actually want people to use the GPL vesion 3 or are they just trying to make themselves irrelevant? It seems to me that they dont care what the people actually want in the licence, but rather what their own self important inflated egos want.
I wont be buying either. I bought NWN because it had a linux client. In fact I bought it 2 times. Once for NWN, then the 2 expansions, and once to get them all on a single DVD. But I wont buy NWN2 becuase there will be no linux client.
Well I decided to spend the night with a spare harddrive and kde with kubuntu. It is very nice, but I there is something I can't put my finger on. I just like gnome I guess. In reality, I dont really use any Qt. apps at all, so it seems like a waste of space to use kde if I dont use any kde apps. I perfer gaim to kopete, thunderbird to kmail, firefox to konq, etc. But I can see some advantages to kde, it was really easy to change its appearance, and it was snappy (although it felt a little less snappy then gnome.). I really liked the control panel and of course kio slaves are cool. But none of it was worth the time to switch full time to kde (which would require a rather large set of emerge).
Well they dont have to keep them forever. Just rotate the show line up monthly/weekly like comcast does now. That way you will still need to netflix the dvd if you want to keep the shows forever.
Forget Channels Alacarte. Why arn't we just doing TV shows on demand. On demand is by far the best feature ever invented with TV. Its the only reason I even pay for cable.
Well, you normally dont read one chapter in a book.
But you do listen to just one song. Just like I only read a few poems in a few of my poem books. In todays mass market media world no one is making albums as whole works of art. Its a room full of marketing execs deciding what to put where. So you normally only like a few songs, only a few songs are ever on the raido, and the album is usually just a way of filling up the disk to make an excuse for you to buy it. Its like taking a ok short story, and just adding new chapters on the end.
I sign up for 15.00 then I let my subscription run out. I dont re-subscribe until a version comes out that i care about. I havn't subscribed in a while, but the promise of battlefield 2 might make me re-subscribe again.
I thought it was a good one day rental. I rented it and beat it in about 4 and 1/2 hours and took it home. It wasn't great, had a lot of bugs and camera problems, but it was fun.
I for one want the sale of video games banned to all children. That way we can get over ourselves and make even more violent video games because hey, their only for adults right?
I mean imagine if every video game didn't have to worry about ratings, we could get more bad lanaguage, more sex, more violence. It would be a utopia of gaming.
The fact that you had that much trouble getting the nvidia driver to work makes me wonder about the quality of your game. I mean it took me all of 17 seconds.
however, you are right on one thing. If you do not know anything about linux, get some exp before you port it.
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Now all they need to do to get my money is write a linux client.
Of course that will never happen.
ubuntu, gentoo, suse, fedora, etc all take care of 3d drivers for you. You will have to install them, but from their easy to use package management that you will need to know how to use anyways to keep your system patched.
You guys must not use 3d video games. The drivers that come with sp2 SUCK for both ati and nvidia 3d support. Lets go over my exp for both my p4 machine and my AMD64 with windows. computer 1)P4 3ghz, i87p motherboard from intel, soundblaster audigy 2, nvidia 6800, onboard network card. Computer 2) AMD64 3500, DFI Nforce4 ultra-D motherobard, onboard nvidia sound, nvidia 6800GT video card, onboard network card. Install windows on computer one. Boots up, no sound, video limited to 1024x768, no network card. I need to install motherboard drivers from Intel CD, then reboot. Then I need to go out and download video drivers from nvidia and install, then reboot. Now change my res to 1600x1200. Then I have to use soundblaster CD to install drivers, then reboot, then go to soundblasters website, update drivers, then reboot. Then go to windows update, download updates, reboot. Now I need the multibutton mouse functions, go to MICROSOFTS website, download mouse drivers, install and reboot. Computer now works. But I'm not protected so I have to download antivir, install and reboot. Now i want to mount iso's, so I need to go download damontools, install and reboot. Now i'm good to use the system. But I dont have any apps, so I have to go install all those and possibly reboot. Install Windows on computer two. Boots up, no sound, no network, video limited. Install nforce4 drivers from motherboard disk., reboot. Now I have network support and sound. Now I follow all the other steps from computer one to get video, mouse, windows udpates, antivirus, etc. Linux on computer one. Insert ubuntu CD. Boots up, sound works, video is 2D only, but in right resolution (1600x1200). network works. Mouse only has 3 buttons that work. I open synaptic and find 3d drivers for nvidia. Click and then install, then I reboot. Now I have 3d support. I do some googling and find entry I need to add to fix mouse in my xorg.conf. I copy and paste it, then reboot and mouse works. I do not need a special app to mount isos, and I do not need antivirus. The exact same is done on computer number two. So in the long run, I have to reboot a lot less to get a working system. And its a lot less work for the install. What hardware did you have that all your things worked properly without downloading any drivers?
You know, with the new GUI installer actually working now, its very possible for a noob to install and use gentoo. I did an install on a spare drive last night with the 2006.0 installer. It worked great and I didn't have to do any real work to install it.
Or my situation. I want to try mac, I need a new laptop, but I want to make sure I have linux to fall back on if I hate mac OSX. This is best of both worlds. I can try mac and if I hate it I can just drop right back to my good old ubuntu.
I plan on ordering an intel mac once I get confirmation that linux is booting on them and what the steps are if it is different then the normal install with a liveCD. But if that takes to long I might just have to give up. I can't wait forever for a new machine.
Ok, now that is news. I cant belive I didn't hear about that until just now. Thank you for showing me this.
Damn right! Way to go google! Not that anyone else is gonna pay those bastards.
Damn it! I forgot to select plain text. Sorry for the mashed comment.
I personally have slowly switched to linux with gnome. The more I use gnome, the more I slowly try to make it look like OSX. I did all this without ever even using a mac. In the last year or more I have tried to use my windows partition, found it cumbersome to do what I needed/wanted to do and eventually removed the windows partitions. Then I got a job at a college and started using macs on occasion for testing purposes (we have macs for some classes and purposes). Now I'm seriously looking at buying a mac. This is from a guy who has NEVER bought a pre-built box. I have always built my own machines. Now i'm watching apple carefully to see how this intel thing pans out. I'm looking for my first laptop. I want a powerbook. I know that worst case, if I dont like MacOSX fulltime and it is an x86 processor that I should have no problem putting linux back on it. So there is very little risk in buying a x86 apple for me. There was much more risk when the had PPC processors because not all the programs I use in linux will compile on the PPC. Sure I'm only 1 guy, but if there are others like me it could be a decent market share. Apple has never had large market share to begin with, so if they can grab a few percent of another nitch marketshare they are doing good.
So your saying RMS can use version 3 and version 2 is there for the rest of us?
Do they actually want people to use the GPL vesion 3 or are they just trying to make themselves irrelevant? It seems to me that they dont care what the people actually want in the licence, but rather what their own self important inflated egos want.
I suggest doing a google for nspluginwrapper. It will let you use a lot of 32bit plugins with 64bit firefox. I use it for flash.
i'll trade 6 of those virgins for one porn star who knows what she is doing,
I wont be buying either. I bought NWN because it had a linux client. In fact I bought it 2 times. Once for NWN, then the 2 expansions, and once to get them all on a single DVD. But I wont buy NWN2 becuase there will be no linux client.
If they do buy opera will they call it google browser beta and only let it be usable by windows?
Well I decided to spend the night with a spare harddrive and kde with kubuntu. It is very nice, but I there is something I can't put my finger on. I just like gnome I guess. In reality, I dont really use any Qt. apps at all, so it seems like a waste of space to use kde if I dont use any kde apps. I perfer gaim to kopete, thunderbird to kmail, firefox to konq, etc. But I can see some advantages to kde, it was really easy to change its appearance, and it was snappy (although it felt a little less snappy then gnome.). I really liked the control panel and of course kio slaves are cool. But none of it was worth the time to switch full time to kde (which would require a rather large set of emerge).
Well they dont have to keep them forever. Just rotate the show line up monthly/weekly like comcast does now. That way you will still need to netflix the dvd if you want to keep the shows forever.
Forget Channels Alacarte. Why arn't we just doing TV shows on demand. On demand is by far the best feature ever invented with TV. Its the only reason I even pay for cable.
Well, you normally dont read one chapter in a book. But you do listen to just one song. Just like I only read a few poems in a few of my poem books. In todays mass market media world no one is making albums as whole works of art. Its a room full of marketing execs deciding what to put where. So you normally only like a few songs, only a few songs are ever on the raido, and the album is usually just a way of filling up the disk to make an excuse for you to buy it. Its like taking a ok short story, and just adding new chapters on the end.
I sign up for 15.00 then I let my subscription run out. I dont re-subscribe until a version comes out that i care about. I havn't subscribed in a while, but the promise of battlefield 2 might make me re-subscribe again.
I thought it was a good one day rental. I rented it and beat it in about 4 and 1/2 hours and took it home. It wasn't great, had a lot of bugs and camera problems, but it was fun.
Opera uses qt. That could matter if you use kde.
I for one want the sale of video games banned to all children. That way we can get over ourselves and make even more violent video games because hey, their only for adults right?
I mean imagine if every video game didn't have to worry about ratings, we could get more bad lanaguage, more sex, more violence. It would be a utopia of gaming.
The fact that you had that much trouble getting the nvidia driver to work makes me wonder about the quality of your game. I mean it took me all of 17 seconds.
however, you are right on one thing. If you do not know anything about linux, get some exp before you port it.