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Cedega 5.0 Released
kormoc writes "Transgaming has released a large update to Cedega. This release (5.0) changes how the entire product works, merging the GUI with the actual program, as well as implementing features such as pixel shadier 1.4 support, in order to get games such as battlefield 2 working.
The release notes list all the new improvements as well as the newly supported games.
This seems to be the best release to date and expands the feature set to work with a large number of new games."
So exactly what is a shady pixel, and how does a pixel become shadier? Are there degrees of shadiness?
Let's say you have two pixels: one pixel threatens people on the sidewalk for money, and the other pixel runs a numbers racket. Which one is shadier?
John
I am curious...What kind of behind-the-scenes technology do they use to allow this cross-platform gaming? Is it just another Wine based product? Or did they build it from the ground up?
I've never been able to get wine/winex to work with my gamepad. It's a playstation to USB converter that just looks like a generic USB gamepad. Every other linux program works just fine with it. Does this work better in cedega? Can I give it a try before I buy it to make sure it actually works?
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Does anyone regularly use Cedega to play 3D FPS and if so are they playable with a non-cutting edge system? (thinking last generation card or whatever.)It would be nice to lose the XP install on my Hard Drive.
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I can't even see the damn webpage...
The release notes mention that pretty much everything in Battlefield 2 is working... except you won't be able to play on PunkBuster enabled servers, which is like, all of them. And you can forget about playing at all if you have an ATI card.
Great fuckin' job, Transgaming. Way to earn that subscription money.
From what I understand, IBM already tests the Notes client to ensure that it functions properly under Wine (or at least as well as it does under Windows). how long before game producers start to target these kinds of compatibility libraries? I understand that the linux gaming market is small compared to the whole, so direct support is unlikely.
Any game programmers care to comment if/whether their company would deliberately code a product so that it would run well under something like this? Would you code with the compatability library in mind?
That, and they're profiting from work done by the Wine developers without giving anything back. Let the flames burn strong..
You pay for a game.
:-/
You also have to pay for Windows to run the game on!
Damnit, why should you have to pay twice!?
I bought a car.
I also need to keep buying oil and new tires and brake pads for my car!
Damnit, why should I have to pay so many times!?
Cedega will continue to be necessary in future years. If nothing else, all the current Linux games will stop working as the glibc and kernel hackers continue going out of their way to screw users of proprietary software. Eventually some change to stack sizes or libc interfaces is going to effectively kill off your proprietary games. Cedega will be able to run the Windows versions of the games better than Linux will be able to run the Linxu versions of the games.
You can download the cvs-version for free. But you woun't get the directx-support, iirc.
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I think we need some real Linux-only games. It would give more people a reason not to run Windows, and might create a considerable buzz if they were cool enough.
I'm tired of all this copycat catch-up bullshit. Let's innovate on our own wonderful platform. It's certainly possible.
I chose to pay for Cedega since it's a relatively low cost, it lets me play games while still using Linux and if Cedega makes money it will show the game makers that there is a market for computer games and encourage them to release Linux versions.
This is exactly the kind of company that the Linux community needs to embrace to bring it more into the mainstream. Cutting them off because you have to pay for it only hurts Linux in the long run. Get in the mainstream. Get noticed. Gamers are a huge PC market, and more often than not, they build their own systems and are not afraid of computers or learning new systems. With the ability to play their games, more and more will flock to Linux. But it needs movements like this one. I will happily give Transgaming my money for a subscription.
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I signed up for Transgaming earlier this year. Like many others I gave them my money so I could vote for my favourite games. Unfortunately, like in just about any democracy, my vote wasn't worth anything, so my favourite games never made it to the top of the TODO list. That said, I still think Cedega is a good product and if Transgaming focused more on building a developer community than paying developers they'd get a lot more games working.
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only word that comes to mind is "tool".
you figure it out.
the word FREE as in "I want everything and don't want to pay for it" annoys the dog piss out of me... I prefer my FREE as in "I want everything. I want it to work. I want to be able to fix it myself if it in fact it does not work like I need/want it to. oh and if it meets these requirements.. i'm willing to pay."
my objection to windows... is that is doesn't meet those requirements...
Cedega is a hell of a program and has taken the Wine(x) to a whole different level when it comes to Game compatibility. it's worth the price of a subscription...
Why should you have to pay twice? Because your buying Windows software and expect it to run on your Linux OS. Do you often buy software designed for another OS and expect it to run on your other OS? You have to pay twice for the software that allows you to do that.
Pay for Windows?? That's the funniest thing I've heard. I haven't paid since 3.11. The rest either came pre-installed (someone else's computer I bought from them) or it came free on my college laptop.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
As a hobbyist software developer, I still believe in what's been taught at university:
"Seperate the program's core from its user interface."
So, what benefits does it give to incorporate "application logic" into it's graphical front-end, like the press release stub says. That's just stupid, isn't it? The only "plus" from my point of view is that the whole program would noticeably hang, and not just some kind of crashing server or back-end being controlled by a (maybe still responsive,) polished interface. Or do I miss something really important here?
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Windows comes preloaded on all major PC's now, but it's not free. It's built into the price. Believe it or not, you DID pay for that copy of windows on your college laptop.
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"... unfortunately this urgency of this new release drew resources away from the web team and they were left with a pentium 166 to host the web site..."
Well done to the transgamming guys. Hopefully then can step up to where loki left off.
In terms of Linux, Cedega increases the cost of gaming, not only indirectly by having to own a better system to counteract the performance loss in comparison to Windows, but also because of their subscription fee. It's just doesn't seem right, you have to pay two companies to have your software work. There are plenty of other end user friendly ways of making money.
Read above replies for why. First. Wine was developed as a FREE application. Basically, Transgaming is making money off a free project without really giving anything back to the community.
Next, pay for windows? See my other reply to that. I haven't paid, nor have I legally been required to pay, for Windows since I last bought 3.11 (WFW) Either it came pre-installed when I bought the computer from another person (legal transfer of license and key) or it came with the laptop I got from my college.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
They won't get my money either, but for a different reason: no support for the games I want to play. I like FFXI, not WoW. I don't like getting over-run by the democratic process that they use to prioritize games, epsecially when everyone down-votes FFXI for some inexpicable reason.
Something I find vastly amusing is that, using Wine or Cedega, it is generally easier to install Windows program on Linux than it is to install a Linux program on Linux.
.i386.rpm and .x86-64.rpm is, use a one-click install tool if you're lucky or open a terminal and manually install it if not, realize you are missing dependencies, install dependencies, done.
Cedega: Pop in the CD, run the installer, run the updater (if its not automatic), done.
Native: Open a terminal, run a shell script, watch it not quite work because your distro is 2 months newer than the software, manually hack the shell script to work, copy files over, manually create menu entries, download a tarball to update the game with, unpack the tarball, run the updater script, done.
Native w/ Package: Find the package, realize you grabbed the wrong one because most people have no clue what the difference between
Native w/ Package Search UI: Search through 10,000 poorly organized packages trying to find the right one (if you're lucky it is actually in the repository), install, done.
Most Open Source/Free Software/Linux folks seem to think that the last option is _clearly_ the best choice. I'm not so sure. Last I checked, NWN or Doom3 or Heretic II were not included in any RPM/DPKG repository, at least not any configured by default on any of the mainstream distributions.
The package selector interfaces in Synaptic or whatever is popular these days is also pretty much crap - when you have 10,000+ packages, you need something a little more efficient than a list with some hierarchial and practically meaningless categories like Amusements/Games.
Yes, but will it work with Punkbuster?
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What developers? The majority of games that are released for linux now are by the same folk who've pretty much always released games for linux (ID Software, Epic for their unreal games). There is significant work by icculus.org folks to port a number of games to linux (medal of honor, serious sam 1 + 2) but a vast amount of the work done at icculus is of very little interest by the time it's released (most of it isn't released and is still in alpha/beta form. While playable, they are buggy). Don't get me wrong though, the icculus guys absolutely rock, and it's not their fault, but since loki went away, the number of windows games with linux versions has declined considerably. Neverwinter Nights is one of the only other big ones I can think of, but it still can't play video cutscenes.
Without cedega/winex/crossover/wine people, there are very few games to play under Linux. I can only go so far with quake4, doom3 and ut2004 before I get bored of them.
...than buying a copy of Windows XP.
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rediculous.
Transgaming is slashdotted off the web already.
Can people posting articles *PLEASE* use Coral cache URLs so that the subject website has a chance to survive our tender attentions?
Thanks.
In no case is it ever 'free.'
John
Native: Open a terminal, run a shell script, watch it not quite work because your distro is 2 months newer than the software, manually hack the shell script to work, copy files over, manually create menu entries, download a tarball to update the game with, unpack the tarball, run the updater script, done.
.exe to update a game in Windows.
.i386.rpm and .x86-64.rpm is, use a one-click install tool if you're lucky or open a terminal and manually install it if not, realize you aremissing dependencies, install dependencies, done.
I've never had to manually hack a shell script to make an install work. Copy what files over? Once again, never had to manually create menu entries but if I did it's pretty simple. Downloading a tarball to update is no different than downloading an
Native w/ Package: Find the package, realize you grabbed the wrong one because most people have no clue what the difference between
Looks as though someone is a bit shaky when it comes to installing packages on his Linux box.
Native w/ Package Search UI: Search through 10,000 poorly organized packages trying to find the right one (if you're lucky it is actually in the repository), install, done.
Once again, looks as though someone is a bit shaky when it comes to installing packages on his Linux box.
Great idea but here's the problem. If you're a game development company and you can only afford to code for and support one platform, which would you choose:
1) Windows with 90+% of the market
2) Linux with 5-10% of the market, give or take
Also, keep in mind that anybody who's a serious gamer has a Windows machine, or dual-boots.
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The transgaming folks have contributed alot of their work into the core wine stuff back. They also said they'll open up everything they can assuming they reach their subscription goal, which I believe they haven't reached, although admittedly there's some contraversy around how to account for where they are toward their goal.
Their DirectX work is largely something they keep to themselves, but honestly, it's their right to. They took a wine version at a specific point where the license allowed them to do it, and they forked it. They didn't abuse the license, the license specifically allowed it. Sure some people later on felt jipped and changed the license, but that doesn't really reflect on the fact that someone should have considered it when the original license was chosen, especially if they didn't want this to happen.
Plus, they're putting alot of hard work into the DirectX stuff. I can't fault them for wanting to hang on to it for a while. It's a very niche market they're targetting and they could use the revenue.
The other component that they get alot of criticism for is the copy protection portions of the code, and I believe this is actually the only part not in CVS and there's a reason for that, it's licensed intellectual property that they aren't at liberty to give out the source code for. Since the legality of no-cd cracks is still in a legal gray area, plus the stability of some cracks are questionable, it's nice that they're able to implement this so we can run pristine binaries of the games.
and again you miss the point.
1. Transgaming does a great service to the Linux community in getting games properly working and bringing more attention to Linux gaming in general. The CVS version of Cedega is available to anyone who wishes to check it out and do what they wish with it.
2. See everyone else's responses to your assumption you have not paid for Windows... because you have in fact. And you admit it when you said "pre-installed".
Not quite. You won't get the same sort of CD copy protection compatibility, as they can't legally release the source. Even vanilla Wine has DX9 support now. The CVS version of Cedega would be pretty much useless if it didn't have DirectX support.
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That's very true...cedega will attract more users in the short term
What about in the long term, however? Something to think about: Does Cedega cause some gaming companies to refrain from providing a native Linux port for their games because they run "well enough" on Cedega? As you probably know, gamers are also into hardware: they need the fastest possible performance. Therefore, there is an advantage to playing games natively in Windows. If these games aren't ported to Linux, then we could see gamers move right back to windows.
I don't hate cedega--I use it. Just providing some food for thought.Ride the skies
Try Gentoo Portage http://www.gentoo.org
http://www.gentoo-portage.com/s?search=nwn
See NWN with data and server right there.
http://www.gentoo-portage.com/s?search=doom3 for doom3
And Portage put games into catagories.
Like: games-fps, games-rpg, games-puzzle. etc.
AND the best part, to install. emerge nwn
It will download any and all deps for you!
Wine was developed as a FREE application...
but you keep using that word... i do not think it means what you think it means...
come back when you've figured out what that actually means around the Linux community.
... you can get the CVS version of Cedega/Wine/X for free and build it yourself (or better yet, have a nice shell script automate the process of wgetting and building it for you -- you still have to configure the app yourself). AFAIK it's not updated to 5.0, but it's probably worth the trouble. Check out http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/index.php/Main_Pag e
Linux-gamers have put up a review, if anyone are interested.
Doesn't seem too shabby.
The Microsoft dominated computer industry won't go away until Wine is merged into the Linux kernel so that it gets optimal performance and actually out-Windows Windows itself. Just imagine if the entire whole of Cedega was merged into the Linux kernel to be a completely self contained OS that runs all Windows applications including virii, wormii and and server applications. Just imagine what a combo like Linux + Cedega + IIS would wrought on the world!? It would be awesome. Microsoft would drop dead in it's tracks and no one would ever use Windows again. And not only that, you could run IIS at the same time that you have Unreal 2008 running at 20,000 frames per second with total perspective vortex shading. This would go a long way to improving the work conditions of many IT grunts because the production servers would now be useful for more important things than serving out the corporate web site. :)
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No I did not. It's called a "Scholarship." I paid for NOTHING. The college paid for it all.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
I'm a Transgamer subscriber. Having downloaded and installed 5.0, and used it abit. I'd say 5.0 is a double edged sword. The positives on it is that it fixes alot of problems with older versions and fixes support for the Steam patch that recently broke it before. However the negitives to it is that it completely kills the use of Point2Play which I enjoyed using. Now you have to import all your old settings into Cedega's new GUI which at first might not seem like something bad until you relize that all your old custom made launchers and syslinks and now useless. All in all it's not a bad release, they could have just left some features alone. Now I and many other users have to change syslinks, and rework the old launcher programs we had before.
... Linux is completely dependent on an API that's controlled by Microsoft...
Somehow I don't think so...
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The public CVS version of Cedega is horribly out of date and is missing a lot of pretty criticial stuff, not to mention quite difficult to compile and set up. It's just NOT worth messing with unless you really want to look at the code, rather than just get a 'demo' of Cedega. Rathar that fight to get the CVS code to compile and run, there's a 'timedemo' version of Cedega available at http://nzone.com/object/nzone_cedega_downloads.htm l. It's not Cedega 5.0, but it's a lot better than anything you'll pull out of CVS.
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I agree with you that the ideal would be for the game companies to port their games to Linux, just as they are now Windows, PS2 and X-Box. The only difference, is the latter 3 are very mainstream. I think Cedega will drive Linux more into the mainstream, which in turn, will force a native port. More games = More users More users = More games If we start by making more games available, the people will follow.
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But I run windows you insenitive clod!
Basically, Transgaming is making money off a free project without really giving anything back to the community.
Apart from all the patches they contribute back to Wine, that is. But I suppose you're free to ignore those if it makes it easier for you to justify your mindless hating.
Windows has always been free for me.
I have never bought a pre-built or pre-installed computer in my life. I have always built my own, and downloaded my own copies of Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, XP, and 2003.
Thanks Microsoft!
why would a bunch of windows shared libraries be in the linux kernel? they're not in the windows kernel.
/. posts, right?
what benefit would there be in having this in the kernel? do you even know the difference between the kernel and userspace? are you just throwing fancy words around because they sound cool? you realise that it's impossible to impress women with
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Even if it does put off the ports to linux up front, once linux gets the users, the users will start to demand native ports. 'Just well enough' is the point at which users will accept it and play it, but bitch at the manufacturers to make a native port. If they implement the APIs too well, then there will be no bitching, too poorly and there will be no users.
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Ugh, so basically, these guys that spend all this time (yes, based on existing product) to allow people to play games, should not be compensated? Oh noes, they did'nt rewrite ATI's crappy drivers so they'd work with Battlefield 2, what a bunch of loosers!!! Oh noes, punkbuster doesn't support Linux, let's blame Transgaming!!!!! omgwtfbbq!
Don't blame Transgaming because OTHER companies refuse to release their products on Linux... instead of whining about what they're doing, be thankfully they're giving Gaming a chance on Linux, they're one of the few that actually do something about it. And the "it should be free argument" well, ya know what, you want it free? Here's GCC, build your own from scratch. Have fun, and if you do spend a few thousand hours writing it, I hope you dont' expect any compensation!
This thread is a great example of showing that, no matter WHAT you do, someone, somewhere, will hate you for doing it.
When I was reading the article on the front page I wondered to myself, "how long will it take for someone to make a 'shady pixel' joke?"
I really need to get out more.
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I remember reading about progress with dx9 making it into wine. http://directxwine.sourceforge.net/
.9 beta? Kind of curious how the two compare now.
Did this ever make it into
I wonder if this would allow Taco to run WoW on Jubei? Assuming he gets his handle back, of course.
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You're FUDing. Stop it. There has been one (1) incompatible change to glibc in the last ten (10) years. If you look, you'll probably discover that your distro still ships the older libc.so.5 library. And the kernel interfaces (the external ones, which your games use) have been more stable still. I'm not aware of any commonly-used syscall whose calling conventions have changed incompatibly, ever. Backwards binary compatibility is very important to the kernel people.
More generally, programs linked on machines running truly ancient distros continue to run fine on modern ones provided you install the appropriate compatibility packages.
It seems to me like you're just whining about progress. Do you have a specific complaint about a binary on your system that no longer runs?
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What exactly is a "game"? Wouldn't a merger of Cedega and WINE let us run all those Windows apps under Linux? Is there a complete list of tested apps? Seems like those tests would be a great way to harness Linux's "massively parallel" userbase, and possibly the best argument for switching from Windows to Linux.
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yeah thats what i thought
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Author of a CONSIDERABLE number of best-selling games
I've always been concerned with the performance of windows games under linux. Since wine is able to translate (not emulate) windows calls into equivelant linux calls would it be possible to use the wine codebase to write software that, instead of trying to run it on the fly could look at a set of windows executables and libraries and then create a native linux binary and set of libraries (as close as wine translates now) so we could run it without running wine?
Just a thought...
Well i just did...
:o AND it still works! :o WOW! So hard to install linux packages, it makes me almost cry..... Oh and it installed all the dep's too, i love gentoo :D
# make="cdinstall" emerge -av ut2004
It checked for the cd in the cd drive, and copied the files over, according to the ebuild.
It then informs me that i must edit a file to prove i've read the elua (remove the #read from the bottom) and i may play...
six months later there is a update, scary times, what should i do? Oh yeah, update silly:
# emerge sync && emerge -auD world
wow, it updated ut2004 package for me
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Not according to these.
But hey, pulling things out of your ass is good fun, right?
Cedega's a monthly subscription fee. You'll pay $60 a year for it. So let's say you update Windows once every 3 years - lets say you pay $200 or so for it. You'd pay $180 for the Cedega service. Cedega will let you play some Windows games, some with glitches, some with reduced performance but some quite well. Windows lets you play all Windows games excepting a few that are more than about 7 years old. Oh and Windows will let you run other Windows software as well. So is that worth the $20 over Cedega? I guess that depends on who you are. Don't want Windows on your system no matter what? Well than Cedega is as good as you are going to get. Don't mind dual-booting? Perhaps Windows is a better option. Don't care about running Linux? Well maybe Windows is definately a better option.
Cedega is for people who want to use Linux as their desktop OS and don't want to leave it to play a game. Everyone else will probably have an easier time just running the game on Windows.
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Why should i pay for cedega to run windows games that i have already bought?? when i can run them in windows for free?? other than bragging rights, i see no reason for cedega, its a great idea, but, you might as well dual boot into windows and play the game, save some time, cash, etc I know it is the principal of the matter, and i agree its a good fight, but people want what is easy and cheap, if not free
Now cedega doesn't let you play any game without registering first with a valid login/password.
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You can extend that argument. The more people that use Cedega, the more people are going to be calling up game companies with support problems running the game under Cedega. The game company will of course reply that running their Windows games under Linux is not supported, but the more people complain the greater the pressure to DO something about it.
That would either force the game companies to provide a native linux port, or contribute to Cedega to make sure their game runs well. Either way, it's a win for users in my book. And even though some developers might choose to help fix Cedega, it does lead to more Linux ports than before, so it's an improvement either way.
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So, you wont pay a little for an emulator that will run Windoze Games on your free, stable OS, but you will pay over and over (and over) for an unstable mediocre OS that is not much good for anything else but games??
Defies logic to me......
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good news: no-CD cracks generally work, so you're not totally screwed. However performance under WINE is abysmal... I haven't tried Cedega yet, but one of the selling points is that it's pretty quick & updates are frequent.
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I'm wondering if Civilization 4 will be playable with it.
It sure as hell isn't playable under Windows for a metric assload of people.
It's not MSs fault, just poor programming released too early, but maybe the memory leaks won't kill performance after only a couple turns.
I'll have to try it when I get home.. Well, if I get home....stupid PERC cards.
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I was thinking about re-subscribing to check it out, then stumbled accross this poll. For some reason, 3/4ths (at this time) of the people responding have negative feelings about the update. That's not a very good sign.
Now if only someone would create some kind of application that would let me run Linux games on Windows! This is something I would pay for. Also, some kind of Mac emulator so I wouldn't have to give up all my key Apple only applications.
Whats the best environment to use Cedega in? I know enough to know that running games inside of Gnome is a bad idea because Gnome likes to eat my resources, but what is the best way to do it? In a super light-weight Window Manager like openbox? I was planning on just logging out of Gnome and running the command to start the game inside the GDM failsafe terminal, is the a bad way to go about things?
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Even if the APIs were implemented perfectly, I'd still bitch at the manufacturers to make a native port. After all, who wants to pay extra to get their game to work, and load up a separate software stack to run it? It would be just like having to load Classic or X11 in Mac OS -- which, if you haven't experienced it, really sucks.
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Some might, but I don't see it happening for any of our products. We target consoles first (PS2/Xbox), and usually Windows as well, but so few of our sales come from the Windows version that it wouldn't even be worth doing if we didn't have the technology in place to make porting easy. Wine/Cedega/etc would be a fraction of that already small market, so it definitely wouldn't be worth it, at least not for the console-centric sort of games we make.
Surely if they were going to the trouble of testing for a second platform anyway, it would make more sense just to use OpenGL/OpenAL/SDL to begin with and save all the hassle, right? Besides, then it would work in Mac OS too.
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That should be:
# USE="cdinstall" emerge ut2004
No, no. You got it all wrong. Cedega minus directX support is basically Wine (which does have some DX support). What you don't get is the drivers necessary for copy protection verification, which are proprietary stuff that transgaming has to license.
This cedega looks pretty good, but does it only run on Linux?????
is there a Windows port?
would someone be willing to do one?
I'd be willing to pay.
I'd question whether even gamers are building their own systems "more often than not."
In any event, the gaming experience under Windows is pretty damn good. and I see no compelling reason to migrate.
But truthfully, if you are actually interested in making a platform independent game, then you use a platform independent api. Epic games has a great example of this in Unreal Tournament 2004 (and 2003, I guess). The game's audio runs using OpenAl, and the video uses SDL. Thus, they have native Linux and Mac versions, and even a (beta) port to amd64! That game is one of the best made programs I have seen, with great attention to detail. Portability, stability, performance, just a great peace of work. Unfortunately, most game manufacturers couldn't care less. The greater part of the video game industry is composed of a people who care more about profits than putting hard work into a well designed program.
I just wanted to chime in here quickly and say that I downloaded the new version last night, and so far, i've nothing but good things to say about it. Not only are newer games supported better (HL2), but older games that never worked before are now working.
I would say it's money well spent.
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I still have a few of the Loki games and Neverwinter Nights running on 2.6.* on amd64.
DLL hell is not normal behaviour.
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No it won't. If it works in Wine, why would they make a Linux version? As it is, they get to sell to Linux users, and have you pay SOMEONE ELSE for product support! Win Win for them, why change that? They'd have to invest time and money, just so they could support their own product when they could do squat and have someone else support it, and STILL MAKE THE SAME SALE.
Cedega is hurting games on linux.
Remember that WineX would be BSD license, when Transgaming got 50.000 registered users. I guess this is also true for Cedega (or could they just get over their promise by changing name?). So I am asking, how many is paying a monthly fee for Cedega?
It must be pretty high, since Ubuntu desktops is used in the millions, and a small percentage of them is propably using Cedega.
annoys the dog piss out of me...
Why have you been drinking dog piss?
:P
currently I still do not get shadow effects, so I see no point in subscribing.
If its got OpenGL graphics option such as the original HL, my experience is that it runs faster on Cedega. If its DX, it runs a bit slower. Cedega 4.xx also runs in about DX7 in regard to effects in HL2 but PS 1.4 should fix all of that.
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And just like a typical response. Okay, AC, now will you tell me about what they've given back to the community as far as WineX is concerned? What was that? Yea, I thought so. They haven't. That's the problem I'm talking about. You assume too narrow-mindedly. Go back home.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Most of wine should not be in the kernel. However (parts of?) wine server would be better off in the kernel. One major performance problem that wine has is everytime you need to use something in the wine server, you need two context switches. For some programs this doesn't happen often, but for others it makes wine half the speed of Microsoft Windows.
If wine server was in the kernel there would be no context switch.
Note that I'm not arguing that moving wine to the kernel is the best solution to this problem. Only that it is one.
What really pisses me (and many others) off about Cedega/WineX/whatever is that this is one of those rare examples where a decent open source program is forked into a proprietary code base, then of which the forker tries to squash the original competition by doing good things with the code, but never contributing back. I'm sure that the forker wouldn't have wanted to start from scratch if Wine was GPL'd (or similar) in the first place, so maybe he would have contributed towards Wine and provided a more professionally-supported version like Crossover Office has done. Insteadm, we get a binary-only program (except for the Wine components of which) that costs fucking money just to get the program, not even support! This isn't your typical "Microsoft takes the TCP/IP stack from NetBSD and puts it in Windows" sort of situation. Just imagine if Apple didn't contribute back to the community with Darwin, or with their improvements to KHTML, or other projects they contribute back to. You'd hate Apple too.
Down with Cedega! Open your code or be lower than MSFT when it comes to obscurity. At least MSFT started from their own closed code (DOS wasn't open source when Gates bought it).
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