You all are over-thinking this again. Unless a movie just came out, I don't go to the theatre anymore. Movies come and go so fast now it just kills the desire to do so, and everyone I know feels the same. Worst case scenerio: I'd pay $16-18 bucks for a pair of movie tickets (plus gas), and two weeks later the DVD is on sale at BestBuy for $14.99. So IMO, yes, they're right. Unless you are just the "Movie Go'er" type, more than likely your interests have been dwindled by this as well.
I do however feel that there is a hidden element that no one is considering: Home Theatre Systems. Years ago it was a thrill to go to the theatre, if not just for movies like the Matrix or a good WW2 flick. Nowadays, stores give away free satelite speakers and a subwoofer with a bottle of Dasani, so damn near everyone has one now. Instead of going to the movies, all the true audifiles (like my brother) can't wait to get it on DVD so I can "come over and hear movie_x on surround!"
Although this discussion has ended, I will gladly admit that you make a lot of good points. I guess I missed the point as well, because the whole discussion somehow got off tangent, and I followed along instead of writing the ship.
My point was this: don't answer every problem there is with Fedora or Linux in a whole with "it's free so shut up". Don't counter someone's bad expieriences with "well it's a test bed so that's dumb on your part." I was not trolling in any way, shape, or form. Both of the quotes I put in the original post were said in this very thread, and they're frequently said on the topic of Fedora. So how can one be trolling if they're merely responding to someone else's remarks? It amazes me how opinions to the far right are openly accepted here, but comments from the middle (not even to the left) are always considered trolling. And we as Linux users wonder why we're always considered zealots and such.
If Fedora WASN'T someone's personal favorite, and it had the same problems, the same people who made those comments would be saying "that's why I don't use Fedora, switch to distro X". If it were Microsoft giving someone away for free, these same people would be telling you they should have some sort of responsibility to release better software, even if it is free. The whole issue reeks of personal bias.
Just like there is something that's free and always broken (not necessarily saying that Fedora is), there is something Like Slackware 10 or Ubuntu that works or is less buggy.
So let me get this straight: after downloading 5 cds, or a 3GB DVD, I should be expected to download a ton more apps (some for functionality, some for prefence)? And you don't think you're being a bit biased in their favor?
And I never said that Nvida wasn't propietary, in fact I know better. How about you stop talking out of emotion and rationalize for a moment.
provide all of the not-in-the-US proprietary or restricted goodness you care to have.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT!!! Believe it or not, not everybody knows that. My whole objective was to let those who don't know find out before they download it, and then not know why it doesn't work. Jesus man you need a life.
You missed the point entirely, although that was a nice attempt. The point was call a duck a duck. Don't say "deal with it because it's free". Don't say "if it sucks that's your fault for using an unofficial product." So although well said, your point wasn't the least bit relevant, although I greatly appreciate you respoding with opinion as opposed to insults.
Oh and FYI: SuSE isos were available for free download since early 2004. That's not that bad, since Fedora's first release was in late 2003.
I see where our mis-communication is now. When I said no ReiserFS support, I meant in the partioner. You can install on an existing ReiserFS partiton, but you can't create one during the install process.
Since I'm trolling, explain to me how this is ANY DIFFERENT from what Suse is doing? They give away OpenSUSE, as well as sell retail boxed sets. Isn't what Fedora is doing with buggy releases the exact same thing that got Mandrake deemed as "crap" for years on end? Instead of heated name calling, do clarify the differences.
That's because there aren't any, and you're just trying to divert attention from the issue by using the same old "troll" name calling tatic.
Is it me, or do members of the OSS Community (that I'm proudly a part of) always seem to make excuses for our software shortcommings?
Umm, didn't you notice that Fedora is the development testbed? It's supposed to update quickly so new things get tested before RedHat gives them to paying customers. If you're doing real work on Fedora, I feel your pain.
An enormous amount of work has gone into it, and it is being given away for free.
That is the biggest pile of crap I've ever heard. Fedora having yet another rushed release has nothing to do with it being a "test bed". That's not a testing point, that's a half-assed release. The moment you have an "official" release, you are accountable, regardless of price. The fact of the matter is, if you intend to release a product that is crap, then why bother in the first place? If Microsoft did the same thing we'd bash them until we got corporal tunnel syndrome. The current release of SuSE has had 4 alpha, and 8 beta releases, just so they can give it away for free. The funny thing is, they're not even the richest most profitable Linux company arround - RedHat is.
I'm all for companies making money, but how are they doing this for free, when they're eventually going to sell the bug tested product? You got it backwards - we're doing this for free, "this" being the product testing that companies ususally pay people for.
There are a few things you need to consider before giving Fedora a try.
1. No NTFS support: If dual boot, you will not be able to read your Windows partitions. 2. No MP3 support (it's been like that for a while.) 3. No support for propietary drivers: I've been told that this is more of a bug than an intended feature, but I haven't heard any certainty to support either side. 4. No ReiserFS
It's also missing the Tango Icons, Anjuta, and a few more apps. They aren't necessarily deal breakers, but with a 5 cd download, you'd expect them to be there. Lack of MP3 support is by design, although a lot of people really aren't aware of it. Items 1,3,4 can all be resolved by compiling your own kernel, but not everyone enjoys doing that, - and with a newly released distro, you probably shouldn't have to. I can understand no NTFS and MP3 support for patent issues, but why no ReiserFS?
Here is a link to one of the reviews that I came across. You should probably check the Forbidden Items List as well.
After reading a few of your posts on this story, you are officially a friend of mine! I'd buy you a beer if someone created some kind of e-voucher for that. I'd call it BeerPal (patent pending)
Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket... Most of the PC games that come out now are either first person shooters (assuming everyone likes the excessive violence) or MMORPG's (assuming people want to pay for the subscription or even have the connection for it). Heck last I heard, broadband usage was at 25% at most. To this very day, one of my favorite games of all time is Sim City (although I'm in love with Neverball on Linux).
1) First of all, portability is a MAJOR problem. I have a number of little cousins, and they move their PS2 wherever they please. The same goes for my friend and his XBox. In order to overcome the the lack of mobility, you need some kind of anchor that keeps people buying PC games. That anchor used to be exclusive titles, but now damn near all of the top PC Games have been ported to console. Although that has always been the case, the difference is that now PS2/XBox have enough power to run them without looking like crap (remember Doom 2 on Super Nintendo?)
2) Secondly, and most importantly, PC Games suck. You mention all the good games, but do you mention how poorly some of them run? A perfect example of this would be FarCry. The original version ran like utter crap. The graphics were just ok, and the maps had a ton of bugs in them. The game wasn't even decent until you patched it. And don't even get me started on the bug riddled landfill that is Battlefield 2.
PC Game makers churn out games as quickly as possible, because they know you'll just sit and wait for the patches to be released. Since you can't just patch a console game, they actually take the time to get it right the first time. It may sound like nothing to you, but you'd be amazed how many people just play games at face value and judge it as such. There is a whole 'nother community of people who play games and DON'T hang out in game forums - they simply play the game, and if it's buggy, they say it sucks (no patching needed).
good quality control while at the same time keeping up-to-date software in the distribution
Here's a perfect that totally disproves that statement:
I used Ubuntu 5.10 for a few months. The problem with Breezy Badger is the version of Firefox that ships with it is just awful. Aside from the terrible memory leak, it randomly segfaults on different links. Here's the problem: Ubuntu won't backport 1.5 to Breezy Badger. Why? Because that repository that they're always bragging on kicks you in the teeth. All those plugin packages are broken by the upgrade to Firefox 1.5. In fact, since the upgrade breaks so many packages (somewhere in the neighborhood of 50), Firefox 1.5 won't be backported. All this just to upgrade a simple browser. Don't waste your time reporting the bug to Firefox, because they'll quickly close your thread and tell you that it's fixed in trunk. Of course you could easily install it yourself, but isn't package upgrade and availbilty one of Ubuntu's biggest selling points?
ps. Is that how CmdrTaco wanted us to link to stories;)
I've never had anything against Debian itself. My problem, as with a lot of other people, was always the arrogance that just seemed to ooze from the average Debian user. If you don't know what I'm refering to, then you probably relatively new to the Linux Community. It seemed for the longest that every question posted on every forum yielded the answer "get Debian". Debian's problem was NEVER being misunderstood - it was being misrepresented by the zealots that actually think their pretentous attitude represents the Debian Community as a whole.
A prime example of this is Doom 3. Once some of the original preveiws gave it a luke-warm reception, it seemed that everyone of other websites had somewhat of a "copy-cat" opinion of the game. Granted the game wasn't perfect, but after so much, they seemed to be nit-picking. It really came off as the usual cheesy "cater to the crowd", and dogpile the unpopular guy.
An exampled on the positive end of the spectrum was Half-Life 2. Yes the game has many strong points, but it's almost as if the reviews were afraid to mention the weak ones (at least with the same strong emphasis that was put on Doom 3's shortcommings). The fact that the game was short, had server problems on launch, slight ambiguity in the storyline, and was far too easy for a $55 game was barely even mentioned, and the game was hailed as the greatest of all time.
My point is this: the majortiy fo the game reviews suck, because in order to truely give a good reveiw, you have to be impartial - not report what you think the public wants to hear.
WTF +4 Insightful? The post didn't even make any sense.
You said it's silly to say that Apple isn't one, without even specifying what "one" is. Are you saying it's silly of them not to be considered as a tier 1 company? Assuming that's what you were talking about, you didn't even specifiy exatly WHY you feel they're paying a Microsoft. As it was previously mentioned, they don't ship with Microsoft Office, and last I checked, they didn't own Intel either - so what's the x86 argument that you're refering to?
The operating system is not a tax. If Dell ships all of their machines with Maxtor hard drives, you are not paying a "Maxtor tax", you're paying for the part inside.
Dude, lighten up. It's just a common saying, not to be taken literal. Although when the OS can account for about %10 of the price of the computer, it doesn't seem that far off. The difference here is, if you don't like Maxtor, you can easily go with Seagate or Western Digital, and the end user won't know the difference. Try putting something other than Windows on the shelves at Office Depot. Every computer is running that pretty screen saver with the fish, and this one is running "The Matrix Code". You can pretty much guess which pc is going to sell the least.
Windows is a critical part of a computer. If you don't want that part, go build your own computer.
A MAJOR contridaction. You say Windows is a critical part of a computer - almost as if you're justifying the price. If it's that critical to a PC (as you stated), you'll need it even if you built your own PC, now wouldn't you. And Even if you didn't, it's almost pointless (from an economical standpoint) to build a pc from scratch. They've gotten so much cheaper, it's almost impossible to build your own, and have it match up with recent hardware, without using refurb or used parts (and yes I'm quite famaliar with OEM). Don't just read prices off NewEgg, try and build your own, and you'll see what I'm saying. It's hard to reason why I should do it again, when Sam's Club has an Athlon 64 3700+ with a gig of ram and a 17 inch LCD for under $1150 (not to even mention this one. They make computers so cheap, you might as well just buy one, and consider Windows free with the hardware. That makes a lot of sense, but guess what? They STILL get their money.
Be realistic man. Who wants to pay $2500 for a computer (not the monitor, just the computer), and be told that there is anything that they can't do? Like other posters, your roommate probably paid a lot less for the setup, which puts the expectations in an entirely different category.
That's what I meant by contradiction: Pay premium price, but be understanding of that shortcomming as if we would be getting a nice mid level deal on it.
What I found interesting is how they went premiere on everything but the graphics card - one of the most important parts. People complain want at least almost high resolutions on a 17" monitor, so you care to explain to me how this is going to look on a 36" TV screen (probably even bigger). Some "light gaming" with the GeForce 6600 on a screen that large isn't going to cut it, and it's a pretty freakin safe assumption that anymone who builds themself a $2,500 computer is probably a gamer.
Interesting article though, but on that point the seem to have forgot what crowd they're apealing to.
That would be good if that was an accurate assesment. $250 is not cutting edge, it's mid level - and barely entry level for a newly released card. Hence the anger from people who aren't willing to pay excessive prices - even if they have the money.
Dude, that chart is terrible. You forget that the GPU is least important piece of hardware, and their are other components utilizing the power supply. Using 200 of 300 watts is decent, but it isn't going to cut it. What about the CPU, case fans, and the cdrom that now ALL games require. How about they rework the way the GPU functions - something similar to what intel did to make the Pentium M.
Look at this website to get another look at power consumption.
It's nice that they're trying to target gamers on a budget, But how about finally targeting people on a power budget? I want to upgrade my graphics card, but my options are limited without having to upgrade my 300 watt power supply. And since it's a small form factor case, my options are even further limited.
If they really want to do something good, how about they manufacture a power efficient GPU that doesn't excessively sacrifice performance? I know I can't be alone - Heck most of the time my GPU runs hotter than my CPU!
Think again. It clearly states here that you can only install on one desktop at a time. Don't tell me otherwise, tell the Microsoft rep that I had on the phone because I had previously installed the os on another machine 6 months ago - yet it still kicked out my online authentication. And this was the $300 Professional version.
You must still be using Windows 2000, which I also have.
I know this is an old post, but I just had to inform you. MPlayer has always been better than xine. Numerous features from MPlayer have been 'implemented' into Xine, and that is, in fact, the reason the former project lead of MPlayer gave up on the project. I doubt there are any remaining links, but he used to post weekly on the website about all his features being stolen. It wasn't until this new project lead took over was the MPlayer team willing to work with xine (hence the comment about working together on xine's website).
MPlayer had the tradmark signal 11 recovery that, til this day, no one has implemented. It allowed you to play broken movies that wouldn't even play on Window's native media players. MPlayer also supported more media formats. I had all the codecs installed with both players. MPlayer managed to play numerous files that xine wouldn't. It was versions later until xine could handle the wmv files that MPlayer could already.
The only drawback that MPlayer has ever had since it hit 0.90 was it's gui - it'd work one version, then it would be buggy again the next.
Lindows actually had some sort of agreement with CodeWeavers, but Robertson had some sort of falling out with CodeWeavers and the partnership (for lack of a better word) was dissolved.
Funny metion to "coporate giants", but then plug in OSTG in the same title. I personaly love OSTG and all that they offer, but I find it strange that we so quickly and viciously lable something offtopic, while the fact that OSTG owns other companies is frequently plugged in - regardless of how irrevelant it is to the subject at hand sometimes.
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You all are over-thinking this again. Unless a movie just came out, I don't go to the theatre anymore. Movies come and go so fast now it just kills the desire to do so, and everyone I know feels the same. Worst case scenerio: I'd pay $16-18 bucks for a pair of movie tickets (plus gas), and two weeks later the DVD is on sale at BestBuy for $14.99. So IMO, yes, they're right. Unless you are just the "Movie Go'er" type, more than likely your interests have been dwindled by this as well.
I do however feel that there is a hidden element that no one is considering: Home Theatre Systems. Years ago it was a thrill to go to the theatre, if not just for movies like the Matrix or a good WW2 flick. Nowadays, stores give away free satelite speakers and a subwoofer with a bottle of Dasani, so damn near everyone has one now. Instead of going to the movies, all the true audifiles (like my brother) can't wait to get it on DVD so I can "come over and hear movie_x on surround!"
Although this discussion has ended, I will gladly admit that you make a lot of good points. I guess I missed the point as well, because the whole discussion somehow got off tangent, and I followed along instead of writing the ship.
My point was this: don't answer every problem there is with Fedora or Linux in a whole with "it's free so shut up". Don't counter someone's bad expieriences with "well it's a test bed so that's dumb on your part." I was not trolling in any way, shape, or form. Both of the quotes I put in the original post were said in this very thread, and they're frequently said on the topic of Fedora. So how can one be trolling if they're merely responding to someone else's remarks? It amazes me how opinions to the far right are openly accepted here, but comments from the middle (not even to the left) are always considered trolling. And we as Linux users wonder why we're always considered zealots and such.
If Fedora WASN'T someone's personal favorite, and it had the same problems, the same people who made those comments would be saying "that's why I don't use Fedora, switch to distro X". If it were Microsoft giving someone away for free, these same people would be telling you they should have some sort of responsibility to release better software, even if it is free. The whole issue reeks of personal bias.
Just like there is something that's free and always broken (not necessarily saying that Fedora is), there is something Like Slackware 10 or Ubuntu that works or is less buggy.
So let me get this straight: after downloading 5 cds, or a 3GB DVD, I should be expected to download a ton more apps (some for functionality, some for prefence)? And you don't think you're being a bit biased in their favor?
And I never said that Nvida wasn't propietary, in fact I know better. How about you stop talking out of emotion and rationalize for a moment.
provide all of the not-in-the-US proprietary or restricted goodness you care to have.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT!!! Believe it or not, not everybody knows that. My whole objective was to let those who don't know find out before they download it, and then not know why it doesn't work. Jesus man you need a life.
You missed the point entirely, although that was a nice attempt. The point was call a duck a duck. Don't say "deal with it because it's free". Don't say "if it sucks that's your fault for using an unofficial product." So although well said, your point wasn't the least bit relevant, although I greatly appreciate you respoding with opinion as opposed to insults.
Oh and FYI: SuSE isos were available for free download since early 2004. That's not that bad, since Fedora's first release was in late 2003.
I see where our mis-communication is now. When I said no ReiserFS support, I meant in the partioner. You can install on an existing ReiserFS partiton, but you can't create one during the install process.
Thanks for the tip I'll have to give that a try. And when I said no NTFS support, I meant it doesn't even support NTFS reading support.
Since I'm trolling, explain to me how this is ANY DIFFERENT from what Suse is doing? They give away OpenSUSE, as well as sell retail boxed sets. Isn't what Fedora is doing with buggy releases the exact same thing that got Mandrake deemed as "crap" for years on end? Instead of heated name calling, do clarify the differences.
That's because there aren't any, and you're just trying to divert attention from the issue by using the same old "troll" name calling tatic.
Is it me, or do members of the OSS Community (that I'm proudly a part of) always seem to make excuses for our software shortcommings?
Umm, didn't you notice that Fedora is the development testbed? It's supposed to update quickly so new things get tested before RedHat gives them to paying customers. If you're doing real work on Fedora, I feel your pain.
An enormous amount of work has gone into it, and it is being given away for free.
That is the biggest pile of crap I've ever heard. Fedora having yet another rushed release has nothing to do with it being a "test bed". That's not a testing point, that's a half-assed release. The moment you have an "official" release, you are accountable, regardless of price. The fact of the matter is, if you intend to release a product that is crap, then why bother in the first place? If Microsoft did the same thing we'd bash them until we got corporal tunnel syndrome. The current release of SuSE has had 4 alpha, and 8 beta releases, just so they can give it away for free. The funny thing is, they're not even the richest most profitable Linux company arround - RedHat is.
I'm all for companies making money, but how are they doing this for free, when they're eventually going to sell the bug tested product? You got it backwards - we're doing this for free, "this" being the product testing that companies ususally pay people for.
There are a few things you need to consider before giving Fedora a try.
1. No NTFS support: If dual boot, you will not be able to read your Windows partitions.
2. No MP3 support (it's been like that for a while.)
3. No support for propietary drivers: I've been told that this is more of a bug than an intended feature, but I haven't heard any certainty to support either side.
4. No ReiserFS
It's also missing the Tango Icons, Anjuta, and a few more apps. They aren't necessarily deal breakers, but with a 5 cd download, you'd expect them to be there. Lack of MP3 support is by design, although a lot of people really aren't aware of it. Items 1,3,4 can all be resolved by compiling your own kernel, but not everyone enjoys doing that, - and with a newly released distro, you probably shouldn't have to. I can understand no NTFS and MP3 support for patent issues, but why no ReiserFS?
Here is a link to one of the reviews that I came across. You should probably check the Forbidden Items List as well.
After reading a few of your posts on this story, you are officially a friend of mine! I'd buy you a beer if someone created some kind of e-voucher for that. I'd call it BeerPal (patent pending)
Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket... Most of the PC games that come out now are either first person shooters (assuming everyone likes the excessive violence) or MMORPG's (assuming people want to pay for the subscription or even have the connection for it). Heck last I heard, broadband usage was at 25% at most. To this very day, one of my favorite games of all time is Sim City (although I'm in love with Neverball on Linux).
1) First of all, portability is a MAJOR problem. I have a number of little cousins, and they move their PS2 wherever they please. The same goes for my friend and his XBox. In order to overcome the the lack of mobility, you need some kind of anchor that keeps people buying PC games. That anchor used to be exclusive titles, but now damn near all of the top PC Games have been ported to console. Although that has always been the case, the difference is that now PS2/XBox have enough power to run them without looking like crap (remember Doom 2 on Super Nintendo?)
2) Secondly, and most importantly, PC Games suck. You mention all the good games, but do you mention how poorly some of them run? A perfect example of this would be FarCry. The original version ran like utter crap. The graphics were just ok, and the maps had a ton of bugs in them. The game wasn't even decent until you patched it. And don't even get me started on the bug riddled landfill that is Battlefield 2.
PC Game makers churn out games as quickly as possible, because they know you'll just sit and wait for the patches to be released. Since you can't just patch a console game, they actually take the time to get it right the first time. It may sound like nothing to you, but you'd be amazed how many people just play games at face value and judge it as such. There is a whole 'nother community of people who play games and DON'T hang out in game forums - they simply play the game, and if it's buggy, they say it sucks (no patching needed).
good quality control while at the same time keeping up-to-date software in the distribution
;)
Here's a perfect that totally disproves that statement:
I used Ubuntu 5.10 for a few months. The problem with Breezy Badger is the version of Firefox that ships with it is just awful. Aside from the terrible memory leak, it randomly segfaults on different links. Here's the problem: Ubuntu won't backport 1.5 to Breezy Badger. Why? Because that repository that they're always bragging on kicks you in the teeth. All those plugin packages are broken by the upgrade to Firefox 1.5. In fact, since the upgrade breaks so many packages (somewhere in the neighborhood of 50), Firefox 1.5 won't be backported. All this just to upgrade a simple browser. Don't waste your time reporting the bug to Firefox, because they'll quickly close your thread and tell you that it's fixed in trunk. Of course you could easily install it yourself, but isn't package upgrade and availbilty one of Ubuntu's biggest selling points?
ps. Is that how CmdrTaco wanted us to link to stories
I've never had anything against Debian itself. My problem, as with a lot of other people, was always the arrogance that just seemed to ooze from the average Debian user. If you don't know what I'm refering to, then you probably relatively new to the Linux Community. It seemed for the longest that every question posted on every forum yielded the answer "get Debian". Debian's problem was NEVER being misunderstood - it was being misrepresented by the zealots that actually think their pretentous attitude represents the Debian Community as a whole.
A prime example of this is Doom 3. Once some of the original preveiws gave it a luke-warm reception, it seemed that everyone of other websites had somewhat of a "copy-cat" opinion of the game. Granted the game wasn't perfect, but after so much, they seemed to be nit-picking. It really came off as the usual cheesy "cater to the crowd", and dogpile the unpopular guy.
An exampled on the positive end of the spectrum was Half-Life 2. Yes the game has many strong points, but it's almost as if the reviews were afraid to mention the weak ones (at least with the same strong emphasis that was put on Doom 3's shortcommings). The fact that the game was short, had server problems on launch, slight ambiguity in the storyline, and was far too easy for a $55 game was barely even mentioned, and the game was hailed as the greatest of all time.
My point is this: the majortiy fo the game reviews suck, because in order to truely give a good reveiw, you have to be impartial - not report what you think the public wants to hear.
WTF +4 Insightful? The post didn't even make any sense.
You said it's silly to say that Apple isn't one, without even specifying what "one" is. Are you saying it's silly of them not to be considered as a tier 1 company? Assuming that's what you were talking about, you didn't even specifiy exatly WHY you feel they're paying a Microsoft. As it was previously mentioned, they don't ship with Microsoft Office, and last I checked, they didn't own Intel either - so what's the x86 argument that you're refering to?
The operating system is not a tax. If Dell ships all of their machines with Maxtor hard drives, you are not paying a "Maxtor tax", you're paying for the part inside.
Dude, lighten up. It's just a common saying, not to be taken literal. Although when the OS can account for about %10 of the price of the computer, it doesn't seem that far off. The difference here is, if you don't like Maxtor, you can easily go with Seagate or Western Digital, and the end user won't know the difference. Try putting something other than Windows on the shelves at Office Depot. Every computer is running that pretty screen saver with the fish, and this one is running "The Matrix Code". You can pretty much guess which pc is going to sell the least.
Windows is a critical part of a computer. If you don't want that part, go build your own computer.
A MAJOR contridaction. You say Windows is a critical part of a computer - almost as if you're justifying the price. If it's that critical to a PC (as you stated), you'll need it even if you built your own PC, now wouldn't you. And Even if you didn't, it's almost pointless (from an economical standpoint) to build a pc from scratch. They've gotten so much cheaper, it's almost impossible to build your own, and have it match up with recent hardware, without using refurb or used parts (and yes I'm quite famaliar with OEM). Don't just read prices off NewEgg, try and build your own, and you'll see what I'm saying. It's hard to reason why I should do it again, when Sam's Club has an Athlon 64 3700+ with a gig of ram and a 17 inch LCD for under $1150 (not to even mention this one. They make computers so cheap, you might as well just buy one, and consider Windows free with the hardware. That makes a lot of sense, but guess what? They STILL get their money.
Be realistic man. Who wants to pay $2500 for a computer (not the monitor, just the computer), and be told that there is anything that they can't do? Like other posters, your roommate probably paid a lot less for the setup, which puts the expectations in an entirely different category.
That's what I meant by contradiction: Pay premium price, but be understanding of that shortcomming as if we would be getting a nice mid level deal on it.
What I found interesting is how they went premiere on everything but the graphics card - one of the most important parts. People complain want at least almost high resolutions on a 17" monitor, so you care to explain to me how this is going to look on a 36" TV screen (probably even bigger). Some "light gaming" with the GeForce 6600 on a screen that large isn't going to cut it, and it's a pretty freakin safe assumption that anymone who builds themself a $2,500 computer is probably a gamer.
Interesting article though, but on that point the seem to have forgot what crowd they're apealing to.
That would be good if that was an accurate assesment. $250 is not cutting edge, it's mid level - and barely entry level for a newly released card. Hence the anger from people who aren't willing to pay excessive prices - even if they have the money.
Dude, that chart is terrible. You forget that the GPU is least important piece of hardware, and their are other components utilizing the power supply. Using 200 of 300 watts is decent, but it isn't going to cut it. What about the CPU, case fans, and the cdrom that now ALL games require. How about they rework the way the GPU functions - something similar to what intel did to make the Pentium M.
Look at this website to get another look at power consumption.
It's nice that they're trying to target gamers on a budget, But how about finally targeting people on a power budget? I want to upgrade my graphics card, but my options are limited without having to upgrade my 300 watt power supply. And since it's a small form factor case, my options are even further limited.
If they really want to do something good, how about they manufacture a power efficient GPU that doesn't excessively sacrifice performance? I know I can't be alone - Heck most of the time my GPU runs hotter than my CPU!
Think again. It clearly states here that you can only install on one desktop at a time. Don't tell me otherwise, tell the Microsoft rep that I had on the phone because I had previously installed the os on another machine 6 months ago - yet it still kicked out my online authentication. And this was the $300 Professional version.
You must still be using Windows 2000, which I also have.
I know this is an old post, but I just had to inform you. MPlayer has always been better than xine. Numerous features from MPlayer have been 'implemented' into Xine, and that is, in fact, the reason the former project lead of MPlayer gave up on the project. I doubt there are any remaining links, but he used to post weekly on the website about all his features being stolen. It wasn't until this new project lead took over was the MPlayer team willing to work with xine (hence the comment about working together on xine's website).
MPlayer had the tradmark signal 11 recovery that, til this day, no one has implemented. It allowed you to play broken movies that wouldn't even play on Window's native media players. MPlayer also supported more media formats. I had all the codecs installed with both players. MPlayer managed to play numerous files that xine wouldn't. It was versions later until xine could handle the wmv files that MPlayer could already.
The only drawback that MPlayer has ever had since it hit 0.90 was it's gui - it'd work one version, then it would be buggy again the next.
Lindows actually had some sort of agreement with CodeWeavers, but Robertson had some sort of falling out with CodeWeavers and the partnership (for lack of a better word) was dissolved.
Funny metion to "coporate giants", but then plug in OSTG in the same title. I personaly love OSTG and all that they offer, but I find it strange that we so quickly and viciously lable something offtopic, while the fact that OSTG owns other companies is frequently plugged in - regardless of how irrevelant it is to the subject at hand sometimes.