Its very easy on openbsd, and I seriously doubt its much harder on freebsd.
One geek word: AMD64.
It simply isn't that easy. I have to use Linux Java in Linux compatability mode. There are at least two bugs in the JDK15 port. And forget about JDK14 for AMD64...
And of course, some company not making software for BSD is not a limitation of BSD. BSD is entirely capable of running the software, Sun just doesn't feel like releasing a BSD version.
Whomever should be blamed (and I agree with you about Sun), from the point of view of the user who just wants to get something done, I have had and continue to have a rough time getting native Java on FreeBSD.
Your tone shows neither compassion nor respect and coincidentally your statement may not be beside the point at all. Much of the world's animosity towards the US comes from the fact that it's too bad if other people's lives are "sucky" as long as the US makes plenty of pie.
North America is 4% of the world's population. Most of the rest of the world has never made a telephone call.
The Chinese "have a sucky life". The Africans have an even suckier life. Things are sucky in South America. In Russia, crime and corruption are flourishing, which is considered sucky even by the White House. If the President of the USA feels it is necessary to rebuke the Russian government for its corrupt and anti-democratic tendencies, what should the President say about Microsoft supporting the sucky dictatorship of China?
NOTHING. The difference there is that we want China's business.
What kind of Beacon Of Virtue is that? There's no need to debate ISMs: Any people who put dogma before people's well-being are doomed. Capitalism has outlasted some insane and cruel dictatorships. But it has not outlasted some insane and cruel dictatorships without having to learn how to treat people better. And -- surprise! -- in a global economy, capitalism has to learn how to treat ~everyone in the world~ better.
Capitalism is a philosophy of making money. Cheap labour + cheap resources + less regulation = more pie (as you put it) for ~some~. And by "some", we are not even talking about all Americans.
Building sustainable communities just makes sense. Taking care of people just makes sense.
Socialism still sends countries into spirals of bankruptcy.
Any community collapses when people concentrate on taking but give little or nothing back.
Any economy goes bankrupt when mismanaged. I direct your consideration to the US debt. How is the US going to take care of its people? By having the blacks in the Detroit ghetto buy shares in General Motors?
To expect the end result of a collection of managers and paper shufflers to be concern for human liberty and dignity stretches the imagination.
I think a daily stretching routine of this kind would be very healthy for The Imagination.
I would respect and support any organization for showing wisdom and leadership instead of becoming sequels and prequels to Gilliam's "Brazil" (Orwell's "1984").
If Congress cannot do it, even though they're supposed to, how the heck can an artificial corporate entity ever possibly hope to?
The US Congress has its problems and challenges; the people of today have their problems and challenges. There will never be enough laws to stop people from being arrogant and cruel; people have to be willing to want something better for themselves and their children. If the world were ~all~ bad and deluded, it would have been a turned into a nuclear fireball by now, instead of just a stinking landfill.
Do you really expect every moral employee at Microsoft to quit their jobs over this?
If there are enough moral employees at Microsoft, I would like them to 1) use their voice to change the mercenary approach of the organization from within; and 2) fix some bugs, damn it!
To you really expect every Microsoft stockholder to dump their shares over this? Do you know how many millions of shareholders there actually are?
Shareholders can be ethical, too. Of course, many are probably wealthy and don't care what happens beyond their own gated-communities and bank accounts. If Microsoft was implicitly supporting the curtailment of civil liberties within the US, for example, or higher taxation, I guess some of these shareholders might be concerned.
Have YOU checked that your pension or retirement fund doesn't have any Microsoft stock in it?
Yes I have, Sir: there is none. (I am a poor Nobody.:o)
And if it does, are you willing to dump all of it today?
You can be a capitalist and still support liberty and dignity. It just means Microsoft will stop having to cater to China's politics and opressive policies.
Yes, but will Microsoft support these ideals in China? I wish they would, even if it means not making millions of dollars.
Of course, for any company willing to forgo making the money, another will gladly step in. Such is humanity's inhumanity.
Are you implying if Microsoft sold BSD instead of Linux they would still not be supporting those things? They must sell Linux to meet your definition?
No, I was just making a joke: If Microsoft really cared about liberty and dignity, it would stop trying to foist its insecure operating system on us.:o)
Sure, I could have said BSD. In fact, I use FreeBSD... and damn it, I still can't get a native build of Java on AMD64.
The unfortunate truth is that neither fanatics nor capitalists care much about the concepts "human liberty" and "dignity".
If they did, fanatics would soon have to recognize that whatever produced this world produced ~everything and everyone on it~ and all the "holy" books are not the words of any God.
If they did, Microsoft would stop struggling to build a secure network operating system and would simply become a Linux distributor.
Imagine the F, followed by a "grave" accent ("\") over the capital letter I, followed by a capital letter I diminished to fit the grave accent above it...
Together, these letters appear to form a capital "A".
Now add the remaining letters of the CD title.
The number of jokes in the Typesetting-pr0n classification of modern humour is growing every day.
The guy is smart enough to cobble together scripts and guess passwords so he can get into computers run by US Military Intelligence ("The World's Biggest Oxymoron", by the way)...
And what does he look for? UFO information! Now he's facing 70 years in prison.
Come on, that must be the equivalent of tipping a Coca-Cola machine onto yourself.
It's one thing for Dvorak to predict the Apple move to Intel; that's a meat and potatoes hardware business prediction that lots of other (non zealotous) people made as well.
It's one thing to diminish the basis of Dvorak's titanic ego, but it's another thing to concoct words such as, "zealotous".
Remember that on SlashDot, the impressionable mind that you warp may be your own.
1. The Windows User is condemned to edit the Registry just to get a program to work. 2. The software lock-in is laid upon him. 3. His first Blue Screen Of Death. 4. He meets his confounded smart-ass know-it-all nephew, who uses Linux. 5. Irving his neighbour is called in to try to fix the damned computer. 6. Windows User's hard disk is wiped by a virus written in VB Script. 7. His second Blue Screen Of Death. 8. He meets the women of P2P pr0n but cannot see them because Windows Media Player will not enable him to play files with DRM content. 9. His third Blue Screen Of Death. 10. He is stripped of his money upgrading to the latest version of Microsoft Office. 11. He is mortified by Clippy. 12. He distributes a Word doc without realizing that "hidden" text can be made visible; he loses his job. 13. He visits a site with MS Internet Explorer and hackers in Vladivostok change his local settings. 14. He is laid to rest waiting for Longhorn.
I just solved this problem myself by purchasing a new-in-box Palm V keyboard for $1.25 on EBay. (I'm serious.)
The used Palm V itself cost a little more, but it's one of the best products Palm ever made. The Palm V is pocket-sized; the keyboard, when folded, is not much bigger.
This a much more versatile solution than a hunk of text-processing-dedicated hardware.
There are many deluded people. The fact is that a person's delusions are tolerable if they cause no hurt nor harm.
Your acquaintance is of course not a harmful person. (Although, it is interesting to consider, that he with his experience might have been able to save those lives if he had been there to warn them.)
On the other hand, an unstable human who listens to his "inner voice" and bombs an abortion clinic is unfit for society.
A bunch of deluded people making educational policy is very bad.
Whatever you do, don't let them get into positions where they make foreign policy... oh wait.
By "95% of computer users and corporations", I meant 95% of the market, which means... Redmondows.
Thank God for those people. I get lots of good quality, 1 year old hardware from them for cheap. Not my fault they didn't take the time to learn about their computers.
Wotta bonanza! Can you hook me up with this silly yuppy consumerist trash?;o)
Good G*d, man, in grasping the Tiger's tail let's not lose our grasp of Reality.
OS X may be better than Redmond.*, but 95% of computer users and corporations would rather have a better OS ~that they can install on their current hardware~.
I exchanged some e-mails with a female friend who had just had several teeth knocked out in a sports mishap. Not a happy event for her, not a cheerful discussion...
The ads were things such as "Be Kissable 24/7 Fresher breath, whiter teeth, plus being kissable may save your life!"
I would hate to think of what ads I will see should I ever be discussing a fatal illness.
Because if it is not good, I am going to don my cape ("blankie"), take up my light-sabre ("hockey stick with the blade cut off"), then film myself demolishing all my foes.
And I will not rest until all my foes are defeated... or Mom calls me up to dinner.
Man I sure hope she stops asking me when I'm going to get married.
1 - Candian Tom Cochrane's career is as past-tense as Candian Anne Murray's. Of course, both live on in our hearts and minds because of legislated Candian Broadcast Content. Oh Canda!
2 - Your sig is incorrect. You have, "My system is Candian -- all the prompts say Please." In fact, if your system were Candian, all the prompts would say, "Sorry!".
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Its very easy on openbsd, and I seriously doubt its much harder on freebsd.
One geek word: AMD64.
It simply isn't that easy. I have to use Linux Java in Linux compatability mode. There are at least two bugs in the JDK15 port. And forget about JDK14 for AMD64...
And of course, some company not making software for BSD is not a limitation of BSD. BSD is entirely capable of running the software, Sun just doesn't feel like releasing a BSD version.
Whomever should be blamed (and I agree with you about Sun), from the point of view of the user who just wants to get something done, I have had and continue to have a rough time getting native Java on FreeBSD.
"I can't think of *anything* that linux can do and BSD can't"
JAVA. Trying to get a native build of Java for FreeBSD has been the worst computing experience I have had since trying to install OS/2.
You have a sucky life. That's beside the point.
Your tone shows neither compassion nor respect and coincidentally your statement may not be beside the point at all. Much of the world's animosity towards the US comes from the fact that it's too bad if other people's lives are "sucky" as long as the US makes plenty of pie.
North America is 4% of the world's population. Most of the rest of the world has never made a telephone call.
The Chinese "have a sucky life". The Africans have an even suckier life. Things are sucky in South America. In Russia, crime and corruption are flourishing, which is considered sucky even by the White House. If the President of the USA feels it is necessary to rebuke the Russian government for its corrupt and anti-democratic tendencies, what should the President say about Microsoft supporting the sucky dictatorship of China?
NOTHING. The difference there is that we want China's business.
What kind of Beacon Of Virtue is that? There's no need to debate ISMs: Any people who put dogma before people's well-being are doomed. Capitalism has outlasted some insane and cruel dictatorships. But it has not outlasted some insane and cruel dictatorships without having to learn how to treat people better. And -- surprise! -- in a global economy, capitalism has to learn how to treat ~everyone in the world~ better.
Capitalism is a philosophy of making money. Cheap labour + cheap resources + less regulation = more pie (as you put it) for ~some~. And by "some", we are not even talking about all Americans.
Building sustainable communities just makes sense. Taking care of people just makes sense.
Socialism still sends countries into spirals of bankruptcy.
Any community collapses when people concentrate on taking but give little or nothing back.
Any economy goes bankrupt when mismanaged. I direct your consideration to the US debt. How is the US going to take care of its people? By having the blacks in the Detroit ghetto buy shares in General Motors?
Censoring a website is small potatoes compared to anything the Third Reich did.
Indisputable. However, the comparison is apt in as much as in both cases, a company is happy to meet the specifications for a dangerous regime.
To expect the end result of a collection of managers and paper shufflers to be concern for human liberty and dignity stretches the imagination.
:o)
I think a daily stretching routine of this kind would be very healthy for The Imagination.
I would respect and support any organization for showing wisdom and leadership instead of becoming sequels and prequels to Gilliam's "Brazil" (Orwell's "1984").
If Congress cannot do it, even though they're supposed to, how the heck can an artificial corporate entity ever possibly hope to?
The US Congress has its problems and challenges; the people of today have their problems and challenges. There will never be enough laws to stop people from being arrogant and cruel; people have to be willing to want something better for themselves and their children. If the world were ~all~ bad and deluded, it would have been a turned into a nuclear fireball by now, instead of just a stinking landfill.
Do you really expect every moral employee at Microsoft to quit their jobs over this?
If there are enough moral employees at Microsoft, I would like them to 1) use their voice to change the mercenary approach of the organization from within; and 2) fix some bugs, damn it!
To you really expect every Microsoft stockholder to dump their shares over this? Do you know how many millions of shareholders there actually are?
Shareholders can be ethical, too. Of course, many are probably wealthy and don't care what happens beyond their own gated-communities and bank accounts. If Microsoft was implicitly supporting the curtailment of civil liberties within the US, for example, or higher taxation, I guess some of these shareholders might be concerned.
Have YOU checked that your pension or retirement fund doesn't have any Microsoft stock in it?
Yes I have, Sir: there is none. (I am a poor Nobody.
And if it does, are you willing to dump all of it today?
Yes I would, Sir.
You can be a capitalist and still support liberty and dignity. It just means Microsoft will stop having to cater to China's politics and opressive policies.
:o)
Yes, but will Microsoft support these ideals in China? I wish they would, even if it means not making millions of dollars.
Of course, for any company willing to forgo making the money, another will gladly step in. Such is humanity's inhumanity.
Are you implying if Microsoft sold BSD instead of Linux they would still not be supporting those things? They must sell Linux to meet your definition?
No, I was just making a joke: If Microsoft really cared about liberty and dignity, it would stop trying to foist its insecure operating system on us.
Sure, I could have said BSD. In fact, I use FreeBSD... and damn it, I still can't get a native build of Java on AMD64.
Anyone remember IBM and the Third Reich?
The unfortunate truth is that neither fanatics nor capitalists care much about the concepts "human liberty" and "dignity".
If they did, fanatics would soon have to recognize that whatever produced this world produced ~everything and everyone on it~ and all the "holy" books are not the words of any God.
If they did, Microsoft would stop struggling to build a secure network operating system and would simply become a Linux distributor.
Imagine the F, followed by a "grave" accent ("\") over the capital letter I, followed by a capital letter I diminished to fit the grave accent above it...
Together, these letters appear to form a capital "A".
Now add the remaining letters of the CD title.
The number of jokes in the Typesetting-pr0n classification of modern humour is growing every day.
The guy is smart enough to cobble together scripts and guess passwords so he can get into computers run by US Military Intelligence ("The World's Biggest Oxymoron", by the way)...
And what does he look for? UFO information! Now he's facing 70 years in prison.
Come on, that must be the equivalent of tipping a Coca-Cola machine onto yourself.
There once was a time when Canadians would have refused to work in any country that could not freeze a pond for a quick game of shinny.
But now, Canadians have been weaned from their love of hockey by the NHLPA strike. India is a real possibility... if the beer is at least 5% alcohol.
It's one thing for Dvorak to predict the Apple move to Intel; that's a meat and potatoes hardware business prediction that lots of other (non zealotous) people made as well.
It's one thing to diminish the basis of Dvorak's titanic ego, but it's another thing to concoct words such as, "zealotous".
Remember that on SlashDot, the impressionable mind that you warp may be your own.
Actual US Medical-Emergency Dialogue:
Nurse: 'Sup?
Doctor: Quick! I need 20cc of quadratic equation!
Nurse: 'Stat?
And if the peeps chin-wagging at Kofi Annan's gig don't interpret 733T 5P3AK, you're in the saddle!*
*Up the river without a paddle.
1. The Windows User is condemned to edit the Registry just to get a program to work.
2. The software lock-in is laid upon him.
3. His first Blue Screen Of Death.
4. He meets his confounded smart-ass know-it-all nephew, who uses Linux.
5. Irving his neighbour is called in to try to fix the damned computer.
6. Windows User's hard disk is wiped by a virus written in VB Script.
7. His second Blue Screen Of Death.
8. He meets the women of P2P pr0n but cannot see them because Windows Media Player will not enable him to play files with DRM content.
9. His third Blue Screen Of Death.
10. He is stripped of his money upgrading to the latest version of Microsoft Office.
11. He is mortified by Clippy.
12. He distributes a Word doc without realizing that "hidden" text can be made visible; he loses his job.
13. He visits a site with MS Internet Explorer and hackers in Vladivostok change his local settings.
14. He is laid to rest waiting for Longhorn.
I just solved this problem myself by purchasing a new-in-box Palm V keyboard for $1.25 on EBay. (I'm serious.)
The used Palm V itself cost a little more, but it's one of the best products Palm ever made. The Palm V is pocket-sized; the keyboard, when folded, is not much bigger.
This a much more versatile solution than a hunk of text-processing-dedicated hardware.
I agree! Before people fly off the handle judging Microsoft, they should understand the importance of this event!
But the article is a duplicate.
For most Slashdotters, this is fuelled by pron cells.
There are many deluded people. The fact is that a person's delusions are tolerable if they cause no hurt nor harm.
Your acquaintance is of course not a harmful person. (Although, it is interesting to consider, that he with his experience might have been able to save those lives if he had been there to warn them.)
On the other hand, an unstable human who listens to his "inner voice" and bombs an abortion clinic is unfit for society.
A bunch of deluded people making educational policy is very bad.
Whatever you do, don't let them get into positions where they make foreign policy... oh wait.
By "95% of computer users and corporations", I meant 95% of the market, which means... Redmondows.
Thank God for those people. I get lots of good quality, 1 year old hardware from them for cheap. Not my fault they didn't take the time to learn about their computers.
Wotta bonanza! Can you hook me up with this silly yuppy consumerist trash? ;o)
Good G*d, man, in grasping the Tiger's tail let's not lose our grasp of Reality.
OS X may be better than Redmond.*, but 95% of computer users and corporations would rather have a better OS ~that they can install on their current hardware~.
I exchanged some e-mails with a female friend who had just had several teeth knocked out in a sports mishap. Not a happy event for her, not a cheerful discussion...
The ads were things such as "Be Kissable 24/7 Fresher breath, whiter teeth, plus being kissable may save your life!"
I would hate to think of what ads I will see should I ever be discussing a fatal illness.
Because if it is not good, I am going to don my cape ("blankie"), take up my light-sabre ("hockey stick with the blade cut off"), then film myself demolishing all my foes.
And I will not rest until all my foes are defeated... or Mom calls me up to dinner.
Man I sure hope she stops asking me when I'm going to get married.
Two points, my fellow Candian:
1 - Candian Tom Cochrane's career is as past-tense as Candian Anne Murray's. Of course, both live on in our hearts and minds because of legislated Candian Broadcast Content. Oh Canda!
2 - Your sig is incorrect. You have, "My system is Candian -- all the prompts say Please." In fact, if your system were Candian, all the prompts would say, "Sorry!".
I would not call this a failure AT ALL.
I learned several dance moves.
Fellow FreeBSD user here.
You can build OO without Java:
make -DWITHOUT_JAVA