FFXII Revenant Wings, Xenosaga I&II, Iron Feather, and FFCC haven't been released yet. I'm not going to punch the rest of your list into IGN, but I imagine it would be a lot shorter if you did. Besides, a number of those games suck. It would be trivial to make a list of excellent GBA RPGs longer than that. The original statement "There are a lot of really good RPGs for the GBA. There are a couple for the DS, don't get me wrong, but the selection is much more limited in comparison." is quite accurate. Hopefully the DS will get a comparable library as it ages.
Because the same is true for every single consumer electronics item available today. Uh, no. Computers are a fraction of the price they were in the 80s. Cell phones are a fraction of the price they were in the 80s. TVs that would have cost $500 in the 80s are practically given away today. Consumer electronics on the whole go down in price over time. Consoles have been $200 or $300 at every launch since the 80s until this one. Microsoft's $300 or $400 was a reasonable increase, but Sony's $500 or $600 was way too high. You can't double the price of something and not expect demand to sharply drop.
The PS3 was not created to appeal to the broad masses of people Then Sony is foolish. They had 80% of the console market last generation, and now they have about 10%. They've spent a whole lot of money designing the PS3 and subsidizing it so that it's as affordable as it is, and without broad masses of people buying it they are never going to even break even, let alone profit.
By your logic, there is no market demand for HDTVs. I never said there was no demand, just that not many people have one. Like maybe 28% of Americans? Sony went from a product that could be used by 99%+ of Americans (everyone with a color TV) to succeeding it with a product that is really designed and priced for only 28% of Americans.
Sony has given up their crown as the maker of the best selling console out of sheer incompetence and stupidity, and all the insults you hurl at me doesn't change that. Nintendo could compete from last place because they always make a profit on their products. I don't think Sony will fare so well from the bottom.
This is the top rating in the UK - not to be sold to any person under the age of 18. If that's not Adults Only, then what is? "Adults Only" is a rating by the ESRB - the main rating organization in America. "Mature" is more of the equivalent to your 18+ (all of the games you mentioned are rated M over here). The closest UK equivalent to AO I believe is just being banned - I believe Manhunt 2 was going to be banned there but the BBFC is probably taking another look at it now that it's been changed. America's government doesn't bother with rating media, so nothing can be banned here, but the mainstream retailers won't sell AO games and the main console companies won't license them, so AO is effectively a ban.
The original NES was $200 or $250 (depending on the bundle) in 1985. If you add in inflation, that $200 becomes $375 in 2006 dollars, and the $250 is roughly $468. How many units of the NES did Nintendo sell at that price, anyway? Yeah, and? Think of other electronics back in 1985. How much did 64k of RAM cost then? More than what you can find a gig for today. Game consoles have generally been the same price at launch - $200 to $300 - every generation. The Wii costs $250, and there was a 360 for $300 at launch. The PS3 is priced out of the market. Though, since Microsoft has actually managed to raise the price of the 360 since launch (they started with consoles at $300 and $400, then got rid of the Core so now the cheapest is $350) so Sony might have some company. But, the customers have spoken, they want a cheap Wii, not an overpriced PS3. Seems they don't like your math that says consoles should cost more now because of inflation.
Why on earth would you believe that suddenly, and without any historical precedent to the contrary, people automatically expect video game consoles to become more affordable (as a percentage of household income) over time? Because consoles have had similar prices each generation despite inflation. The NES was $200 at launch. The SNES was $200 at launch. The N64 and the Gamecube were $200, and the Wii was $250. The Xbox was $300 at launch, the 360 was $300 and $400. The PS1 was $300, the PS2 was $300, and the PS3 was $500 and $600 at launch. Do you see a bit of a difference? Every major console ever released has been $200 or $300, and the PS3 is twice that. Why on earth would you believe that a console could be priced high above what consoles have been priced before, even current gen consoles, and people would be fine with that?
And, I feel you are discounting the importance of the blu-ray player. Sony rightly believes that compared to past consoles, theirs offers more value. Surely, having a blu-ray player must be worth something. Not enough. Few people have HDTVs, without which the blu-ray is pointless, and even people with HDTV are waiting and seeing which format wins before they plunk down hundreds of dollars for a new player. This isn't like PS2 with DVD at all. DVDs didn't have any competition for the most part, everyone was onboard with the evolution from VHS to DVD just like they had with cassettes to CD. DVDs also had plenty of features over VHS, in addition to graphical pluses they also killed the tedium of fast forwarding and rewinding, and they introduced "special features" that couldn't fit on VHS. Blu-ray offers graphical improvements over DVD only if you have an HDTV, and while it offers more special features we reached the limit on how many special features people care about back on DVD. People will watch a few deleted scenes, maybe a commentary, but beyond that most don't care. High definition video just doesn't have that big of a market yet, especially not until a winner is chosen between HD-DVD and BD, and Sony has been foolish to throw away this gaming generation for it.
Um, bullshit. But it is quite hilarious when feminazis take some perceived slight and then go off on a hypocrisy binge by attacking someone's maturity and sexuality. Feminazis? Yeah, that's mature. Guess you like hypocrisy too.
This action is akin to putting a finger in the dyke, but there are thousands A dyke is a lesbian. A dike is a dam. No one read the rest of your post because they were distracted by thoughts of lesbians.
Actually, "Majora's Mask" was "Donnie Darko" turned into a video game. Besides the fact that Donnie Darko came out later (so if anything it would have been DD was MM turned into a movie) the similarity between Groundhog Day and Majora's Mask was the redoing of the same day or three again and again and again. Bill Murray (the dude in GD) saves a kid from falling out a tree, makes new friends and does other good things, and the next morning he wakes up and the kid's still climbing up the tree and all the people he talked to don't remember him. Link rescues a princess and kills the evil spirit poisoning the swamp, and then time resets and the princess is still kidnapped and the swamp is still poisoned. Murray drives headfirst into a train, and Link watches the moon crash into the earth, and then they're both just fine once time resets. Donnie Darko didn't have that repetition, since he only goes back in time one, but that repetition is really what sets apart GD and MM from other movies and video games, and while DD is similar to MM in the basic theme of having to go back in time so everyone doesn't die they're really not alike beyond that.
We're all just guessing here, and that causes problems.
I doubt GameStop, or any major game store, has any policy that allows employees to play games and then re-sell them as new. Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it isn't an official policy. No, I used to work at Gamestop. I'm not guessing. The policies require one of every new game to be opened so an empty box can be put on the shelf. The opened games can then be used by customers to try the game, or some stores will, depending on the manager, allow the employees to borrow the game, at least that was the case a couple of years ago. I don't know if it was official policy to allow employees to borrow games, but the district managers and probably corporate knew about it and allowed it as long as the store managers could handle it. What was definately official policy was that if a game came to a store as "new", it had to be sold as new, no matter what happened to it. If Elite Beat Agents shows up as new, one of the copies will be opened according to store policy, and then if it's played by the employees during their breaks and customers who want to try it (that happens everywhere, there's no policies against that), official policy says that it has to go back in the box and the box gets resealed in the shrink-wrap machine. Even if everything's been beat in it, or even worse, if the manual got lost or if the game was a disc and was all scratched up, or anything. The employees are never allowed to sell it as used.
Maybe they've changed their policies since I worked there, but considering I keep hearing stories like the other poster's, I doubt it.
Most likely they sold her a returned (used) copy as new. 100% pure profit for the store.
This probably wasn't a company policy but just a bored underpaid employee who didn't care to check. Either case, I hope you returned the title and demanded the new version you paid for. Actually, what is company policy (and most likely what happened) is to open games so that they have "display boxes" that they can put out on the floor so that if someone swips the box they don't get the game. Of course, if someone swips the box, that means they have a "new" game to sell without a box. That also often leads to scratched discs, missing books, and other problems. Like the gp poster's problem. They probably let the employees or customers try the game, or even some stores actually have policies to let the employees borrow new games. The problem isn't just bored underpaid employees making mistakes, the problem is that store policies require some new games be opened and even played and still sold as new. You can't even rely on looking at the game to make sure it's sealed, because they have a sealer in the back room. Really, the only way to make sure you buy a new game in the condition a new game should be in is to buy it from somewhere other than Gamestop.
Where do you live, and how did you find these friends? One of the local game stores here does regular tournaments. Go to your local stores (especially the ones that are not Gamestop) and ask around. Even if there's none currently, you might put the idea in some manager/owner's head and s/he might start one.
The problem with match-ups by skill is figuring out what skill everyone has. In Tetris you're manipulating blocks, so your single player score will correlate with how well you do in multiplayer, but that's not the case in Smash. I'm terrible at the single player mode in Melee, but I've kicked the asses of people who've beaten all the single player modes on Very Hard because I don't act like the computer they're used to. Even a record of matches won/lost doesn't tell the whole story, because you don't know whether those matches were all won against n00bs playing Link who only know how to spam up+b or if they were played against people with actual skill. I don't mind random play because I think effectively it would wind up being random no matter what they did.
The problem with legalizing prostitution is that it doesn't really help prostitutes. Most prostitution in an area that has legal prostitution is technically illegal, in the sense that it doesn't follow any of the laws because most places don't have the resources to regulate it and it isn't a priority to get those resources, so you still have just as many street prostitutes and sex trafficking in just as bad conditions. Even for the women working under legal conditions, the laws aren't made to protect them, they're made to protect their clients. Look at mandatory STD testing. That sounds good, right? But, it's something she could get for free at any Planned Parenthood, so instead of helping her it's just something she can worry about losing her job for. If we wanted to protect prostitutes, we'd test the men before they could see them so they wouldn't get the STDs in the first place, but I've never heard of any place doing that. Legalized prostitution also means that there's now a record that she was a prostitute, so she can't move on and forget about it, it's on her credit report under past jobs and sometimes there's even government databases other people can access. In Nevada, some cities have laws against prostitutes living there, so there's another thing infringing on her freedom that she wouldn't have had if she worked illegally. We think that legalizing prostitution would help them, but for the most part prostitutes don't want to deal with the hassles that brings.
There's also ways of making prostitution illegal without locking up prostitutes. In Sweden, the laws against prostitution effectively make pimping and being a john illegal, but the prostitutes themselves are not criminals and are given resources (drug treatment, job training) to help them out of it. They've significantly reduced the levels of prostitution and sex trafficking is almost nil, while the neighboring countries that have legal prostitution have huge problems with sex trafficking. It's not perfect, but it's done a lot of good.
You're being a little sensationalist there, girls do not have problems getting sex or even relationships.
I was being a little silly with that side comment, but I was referring to girls not getting dates because guys could just see a prostitute when they wanted sex, or, because that would require so many prostitutes that would mean more girls would be prostitutes and guys would be less likely to date them. Would you date a prostitute? Anyways, beyond that hypothetical, girls are not always the choosers. If a girl doesn't meet a minimum standard of beauty it can be very difficult for her to get a date. Of course, you'll probably say that she should lose weight or wear makeup or whatever, but couldn't you say similar things to a guy who couldn't get a date instead of arguing for prostitution?
I don't think you really grasp the lack of close phsyical affection has on guys, guys feel loved and valued primarily through physical acts
I get that, but prostitution isn't about love or being valued. Prostitution is about taking a special form of intimacy and making it into a monetary transaction. A prostitute won't love or value a john, she values his money. She's at best bored and waiting for it to be over with, at worst hating his bad breath and his butt-ugly body and/or any other reason other girls won't sleep with him without money. If guys knew or cared about what prostitutes think they'd definitely masturbate instead, your hand isn't going to be grossed out by your beer belly. If guys feel loved and valued through prostitution they're delusional. I agree that everyone should feel loved and valued, but prostitution is not going to help with that at all.
We need to come up with a new model for sex, one that doesn't involve "paying for pussy" (through dates or whatever), one that doesn't dehumanize women as a product that men need. Sex should be about sharing and being close with someone. It doesn't necessarily have to be about love, but it should never just be about getting off without caring about what the other person thinks. If you don't care about the other person, just masturbate.
Speaking seriously though, I can see things like Virginia tech not happening if guys had a sexual outlet to deal with stress. I've often wondered if we should legalize prostitution and have laws regarding involuntary celibacy (i.e. government sponsored sex, to keep men from turning into rapists / pedophiles)
The problem with prostitutes for everyone is that some people have to be the prostitutes. Would you like your mom, your sister, or you to be one of the prostitutes? How would you feel about dating a girl who was a prostitute (hey, if involuntary singledom becomes a problem for women because of too much prostitution, we could have government sponsored dates, to keep women from going crazy and killing the guys who won't date them)? How would you feel about a woman you care about having to have sex with would-be rapists, as her job? What could you do to make sure every guy could see a prostitute, yet the conditions don't suck for the women involved? What would you do about guys who can't get laid and have AIDS or another STD? Would you make a non-positive prostitute have sex with him? Would you push HIV-pos women into prositution? What happens if no one, even prositutes, want to sleep with a guy, because of diseases or whatever other reason?
I think the answer is to tell everyone to meet their sexual needs with masterbation. Sex shouldn't be about getting something from someone else who you don't care about, sex should be about sharing intimacy and closeness with someone you like. If you can't find someone who happily wants to have sex with you, you should masterbate.
I love RPGs, and Mass Effect looks really amazing, but I just can't justify that amount of money with the high defect rate. My friend has had his for less than 4 months and his has RRoDed already, and a quick google shows that even some even the Elites aren't immune. If my friend doesn't blow his up for the 5th of November (ever watch V for Vendetta? I'm trying to convince him to trade his 360 for a scale model of parliament but he's not liking that idea yet) then I'll return his, but I'm not going to pay $450 so I can have my own to ship in for warranty.
I think gamers have to understand first and foremost that ESRB ratings are by nature not for them. They are for the people who have legal guardianship over them.
Most gamers are adults, and many of us are even parents, so no, the ESRB isn't for the people who have legal guardianship over us.
Despite your insistence on treating us like children, I do agree with your main point, the ESRB is not for us. I, and many gamers, have no problem with playing a game before deciding it's ok to give to a child (mostly because I've played hundreds of games so I can just think of one I've already played - kids can deal with cheap used games, they can get new ones when they get a job), and if I can't I know where to find detailed reviews so I know much more about the game than the ESRB can tell me. The ESRB is for non-gaming parents, who need something quick to give them a basic idea because they'd be lost trying to play the game or even looking at the internet for anything about it. It can't be perfect or give the non-gamer parent the most complete view of the game, but it's better than nothing. And, now that the gamer generation has grown up and Nintendo is branching out to non-gamers, I think that we'll see less and less clueless people buying video games.
The PS@ was the king of hardware. Yep, I said it. It had the best hardware design. It was easy to make a shitload of those fuckers efficiently, so the price plummeted.
Then why was the Gamecube cheaper than the PS2 for their entire lifespans?
And yeah, it is hard for me to believe that the Gamecube was more powerful than the PS2, though it objectively was (but it's hard to believe that the Wii is more powerful than the PS2, if you just look at a few good games on each system).
Go play Final Fantasy XII and then play Zelda Twilight Princess (and no, don't just look at screenshots on IGN) and say that it's hard to believe the Gamecube or the Wii are more powerful. Most of the Wii games haven't even begin to use its graphics power yet (like a lot of games released in the first year of a console's life) but the Gamecube beat the shit out of the PS2 in terms of graphics and the Wii is twice as powerful.
"Ryan, do you know that if you get a hooker in real life, it's not okay to kill her after she gets out of the car to get your money back?" He paused. The response came: "Well, since hookers are empty shells and not real people... " The crowd went nuts as Wil beamed proudly across the stage. Can someone explain what I'm missing from this? I mean, that seems like a very weird comment for a parent to "beam proudly" at. Did it make more sense in person as opposed to just reading about it? Was it supposed to be funny? It just really doesn't make any sense to me.
Ok, then explain why the Gamecube sold so poorly? The Gamecube didn't have the same control scheme as the Wii. The Gamecube controller was basically the same as all the other controllers, while the Wii's "revolution" is that instead of having 10 different buttons to worry about the controls can be as simple as swinging the controller like it's a tennis racket. That's why the Wii is selling so much better than the Gamecube did.
I don't think you've been paying attention to the video game industry.
That's why the 360 "core system" is coming down to $300. Microsoft finally gets it. They're serious about competing. The core system was $300 in the first place. Now, it's $280, but I don't think they're making anymore so soon they'll just have the Premium at $350 and the Elite at $450.
When the masses go to buy junior a 2nd-1/2 generation system for Christmas, it's going to be the Wii. It doesn't matter that the other two are 3rd gen 2nd-1/2? 3rd gen? Where the hell are you counting from?
Most people gave up counting a long time ago, but if you really want to count the console gens, it goes: 1st gen - Atari, Intellivision, etc 2nd gen - NES, Master System 3rd gen - Genesis, SNES 4th gen - PS, N64, Saturn 5th gen - Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox 6th gen - 360, Wii, PS3
It's called Michael Moore logic. If the government provides it, it's by definition "free". It'll be free to some people. People who can't afford new computers will get used, and then when it gets so old that it's completely unusable or it breaks, then they'll have something to do with it without spending money that they don't have. If I buy a $2000 computer from Dell I'm not going to notice $5 or $10 for recycling, so I'd rather pay it upfront than have to spend it later or push the cost onto some poor person or organization I donate it to later.
Of course, that would be great if they where actually recycling them instead of smelting them.
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FFXII Revenant Wings, Xenosaga I&II, Iron Feather, and FFCC haven't been released yet. I'm not going to punch the rest of your list into IGN, but I imagine it would be a lot shorter if you did. Besides, a number of those games suck. It would be trivial to make a list of excellent GBA RPGs longer than that. The original statement "There are a lot of really good RPGs for the GBA. There are a couple for the DS, don't get me wrong, but the selection is much more limited in comparison." is quite accurate. Hopefully the DS will get a comparable library as it ages.
The PS3 was not created to appeal to the broad masses of people Then Sony is foolish. They had 80% of the console market last generation, and now they have about 10%. They've spent a whole lot of money designing the PS3 and subsidizing it so that it's as affordable as it is, and without broad masses of people buying it they are never going to even break even, let alone profit.
By your logic, there is no market demand for HDTVs. I never said there was no demand, just that not many people have one. Like maybe 28% of Americans? Sony went from a product that could be used by 99%+ of Americans (everyone with a color TV) to succeeding it with a product that is really designed and priced for only 28% of Americans.
Sony has given up their crown as the maker of the best selling console out of sheer incompetence and stupidity, and all the insults you hurl at me doesn't change that. Nintendo could compete from last place because they always make a profit on their products. I don't think Sony will fare so well from the bottom.
And, I feel you are discounting the importance of the blu-ray player. Sony rightly believes that compared to past consoles, theirs offers more value. Surely, having a blu-ray player must be worth something. Not enough. Few people have HDTVs, without which the blu-ray is pointless, and even people with HDTV are waiting and seeing which format wins before they plunk down hundreds of dollars for a new player. This isn't like PS2 with DVD at all. DVDs didn't have any competition for the most part, everyone was onboard with the evolution from VHS to DVD just like they had with cassettes to CD. DVDs also had plenty of features over VHS, in addition to graphical pluses they also killed the tedium of fast forwarding and rewinding, and they introduced "special features" that couldn't fit on VHS. Blu-ray offers graphical improvements over DVD only if you have an HDTV, and while it offers more special features we reached the limit on how many special features people care about back on DVD. People will watch a few deleted scenes, maybe a commentary, but beyond that most don't care. High definition video just doesn't have that big of a market yet, especially not until a winner is chosen between HD-DVD and BD, and Sony has been foolish to throw away this gaming generation for it.
Comparing people who want equal rights for women to people who attempted genocide is accurate? Not so much. Get your head out of your ass.
Maybe they've changed their policies since I worked there, but considering I keep hearing stories like the other poster's, I doubt it.
The problem with match-ups by skill is figuring out what skill everyone has. In Tetris you're manipulating blocks, so your single player score will correlate with how well you do in multiplayer, but that's not the case in Smash. I'm terrible at the single player mode in Melee, but I've kicked the asses of people who've beaten all the single player modes on Very Hard because I don't act like the computer they're used to. Even a record of matches won/lost doesn't tell the whole story, because you don't know whether those matches were all won against n00bs playing Link who only know how to spam up+b or if they were played against people with actual skill. I don't mind random play because I think effectively it would wind up being random no matter what they did.
The problem with legalizing prostitution is that it doesn't really help prostitutes. Most prostitution in an area that has legal prostitution is technically illegal, in the sense that it doesn't follow any of the laws because most places don't have the resources to regulate it and it isn't a priority to get those resources, so you still have just as many street prostitutes and sex trafficking in just as bad conditions. Even for the women working under legal conditions, the laws aren't made to protect them, they're made to protect their clients. Look at mandatory STD testing. That sounds good, right? But, it's something she could get for free at any Planned Parenthood, so instead of helping her it's just something she can worry about losing her job for. If we wanted to protect prostitutes, we'd test the men before they could see them so they wouldn't get the STDs in the first place, but I've never heard of any place doing that. Legalized prostitution also means that there's now a record that she was a prostitute, so she can't move on and forget about it, it's on her credit report under past jobs and sometimes there's even government databases other people can access. In Nevada, some cities have laws against prostitutes living there, so there's another thing infringing on her freedom that she wouldn't have had if she worked illegally. We think that legalizing prostitution would help them, but for the most part prostitutes don't want to deal with the hassles that brings.
There's also ways of making prostitution illegal without locking up prostitutes. In Sweden, the laws against prostitution effectively make pimping and being a john illegal, but the prostitutes themselves are not criminals and are given resources (drug treatment, job training) to help them out of it. They've significantly reduced the levels of prostitution and sex trafficking is almost nil, while the neighboring countries that have legal prostitution have huge problems with sex trafficking. It's not perfect, but it's done a lot of good.
I get that, but prostitution isn't about love or being valued. Prostitution is about taking a special form of intimacy and making it into a monetary transaction. A prostitute won't love or value a john, she values his money. She's at best bored and waiting for it to be over with, at worst hating his bad breath and his butt-ugly body and/or any other reason other girls won't sleep with him without money. If guys knew or cared about what prostitutes think they'd definitely masturbate instead, your hand isn't going to be grossed out by your beer belly. If guys feel loved and valued through prostitution they're delusional. I agree that everyone should feel loved and valued, but prostitution is not going to help with that at all.
We need to come up with a new model for sex, one that doesn't involve "paying for pussy" (through dates or whatever), one that doesn't dehumanize women as a product that men need. Sex should be about sharing and being close with someone. It doesn't necessarily have to be about love, but it should never just be about getting off without caring about what the other person thinks. If you don't care about the other person, just masturbate.
I think the answer is to tell everyone to meet their sexual needs with masterbation. Sex shouldn't be about getting something from someone else who you don't care about, sex should be about sharing intimacy and closeness with someone you like. If you can't find someone who happily wants to have sex with you, you should masterbate.
I love RPGs, and Mass Effect looks really amazing, but I just can't justify that amount of money with the high defect rate. My friend has had his for less than 4 months and his has RRoDed already, and a quick google shows that even some even the Elites aren't immune. If my friend doesn't blow his up for the 5th of November (ever watch V for Vendetta? I'm trying to convince him to trade his 360 for a scale model of parliament but he's not liking that idea yet) then I'll return his, but I'm not going to pay $450 so I can have my own to ship in for warranty.
Despite your insistence on treating us like children, I do agree with your main point, the ESRB is not for us. I, and many gamers, have no problem with playing a game before deciding it's ok to give to a child (mostly because I've played hundreds of games so I can just think of one I've already played - kids can deal with cheap used games, they can get new ones when they get a job), and if I can't I know where to find detailed reviews so I know much more about the game than the ESRB can tell me. The ESRB is for non-gaming parents, who need something quick to give them a basic idea because they'd be lost trying to play the game or even looking at the internet for anything about it. It can't be perfect or give the non-gamer parent the most complete view of the game, but it's better than nothing. And, now that the gamer generation has grown up and Nintendo is branching out to non-gamers, I think that we'll see less and less clueless people buying video games.
Haha, computer, you will not catch me, I'm a button-masher! If I don't know what I'm doing until after I've done it, you'll never figure it out!
Seriously, while this might work for games like Mario (Hmm. That's a hole. Maybe I should jump?) I don't see it working on anything fast-paced.
That's why the 360 "core system" is coming down to $300. Microsoft finally gets it. They're serious about competing. The core system was $300 in the first place. Now, it's $280, but I don't think they're making anymore so soon they'll just have the Premium at $350 and the Elite at $450.
When the masses go to buy junior a 2nd-1/2 generation system for Christmas, it's going to be the Wii. It doesn't matter that the other two are 3rd gen 2nd-1/2? 3rd gen? Where the hell are you counting from?
Most people gave up counting a long time ago, but if you really want to count the console gens, it goes:
1st gen - Atari, Intellivision, etc
2nd gen - NES, Master System
3rd gen - Genesis, SNES
4th gen - PS, N64, Saturn
5th gen - Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox
6th gen - 360, Wii, PS3
Of course, that would be great if they where actually recycling them instead of smelting them.