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Sony Runs Out of 60GB PS3s

Next Generation has word from Sony that they've shipped all of their 60GB PlayStation 3s. They don't have any more in the warehouses; retailers still have ample stocks, though. From the article: "Once all of the remaining 60GB PS3s have been snapped up for $499 apiece, the only option left open to consumers will be to purchase the 80GB model, which currently retails for $100 more at $599. It has long been rumored that once all 60GB PS3 stock dries up, the 80GB will be subject to a price cut, but SCEA has failed to be drawn on the matter to date. 'We won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated,' the company has said."

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  1. Thats cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they kick ass. Time for a nice Frosty Piss!!!

  2. But is that a confirmed cut? by seebs · · Score: 1

    Many PS3 fans pitch the "won't talk about it until then" as proof that there will be a cut -- some suggest an 80GB unbundled for $449. Hard to say. A lot of people are arguing that Sony will definitely cut to $500 once the 60s are gone, but it's hard to say; I mean, you wouldn't expect them to have a PR stunt with a decapitated goat, but they did. So who can predict what madness Sony's sales people will think of? I'm sort of skeptical about a cut, just because the holiday season tends to boost sales, and they may not need a cut to keep systems moving.

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    1. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by moderatorrater · · Score: 4, Funny

      I doubt they'd cut it to $500 or lower; that would just be spitting in the face of all those who snapped up their 60GB models just months earlier for the same price. Sony wouldn't disrespect their customers that much would they?

    2. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wish i had mod points to rate this +1 Funny

    3. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by fistfullast33l · · Score: 1

      Sony wouldn't disrespect their customers that much would they?

      Asking that question is like asking for the rootkit and overpriced trolls to come out of the woodwork.

      Regardless, I don't see them cutting the price before Christmas. Demand is going to be high and the system will finally have some games worth buying the system for - Warhawk and UT3 to name a few. If HOME goes over well and they keep pumping out the PSN titles as well as a Motorstorm map pack (which they promised at E3 I believe), then you'll have a nice library of original games to start with, along with some really good ports for those making the jump from PS2 to PS3.

      I really believe that the majority of those that will buy the PS3 are moving from the PS2, by the way, and they probably don't own a 360 either. This would make those multi-platform titles more attractive since they probably haven't seen them before anyways.

    4. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Sorry to be the one to tell you this, but Unreal Tournament 3 won't be a PS3 exclusive... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal_Tournament_3

    5. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Jthon · · Score: 1

      No it's not a complete exclusive but it does ship exclusive to PS3 and PC in November with the 360 release pushed out to sometime in 2008. That and the PS3 version will also support the same 3rd party mods and maps the PC one does.

    6. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by fistfullast33l · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sorry to point this out from the article you obviously linked but didn't read:

      Sony announced at E3 2007 that, through a deal made with Epic, Unreal Tournament 3 will be a PlayStation 3 timed console exclusive during 2007. The Xbox 360 version will follow sometime in 2008. The statement by Tretton confused many, therefore Mark Rein made it very clear during the Midway conference at E3 2007 that UT3 would ship for both the PC and PS3 in November, with the Xbox 360 version coming the following year. It was also announced that the PS3 version will be able to use PC-created mods and levels.[9] Epic plans on adding some level of support for the Xbox 360, but due to its closed system there is less freedom. This is the main reason this version of the game is coming out later.[10] On 2007-08-07, Mark Rein confirmed that PS3 users could use a mouse and keyboard as input devices for the game, a feature that was the subject of high demand by fans.[11]


      They haven't said the 360 release date yet, but it won't be out this holiday season, nor will it have as many features as the PS3, which makes it less desirable. Which is exactly the point I was making above.

    7. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Well the only reason Sony discounted the 60GB version was to clear the stock, I doubt the 80GB one will drop in price soon. There's certainly no reason to do so until the 60GB ones are no longer available at retail (which TFS says they are). Since $500 is the "discount" price for soon-to-be-obsolete versions, I highly doubt they want to lose that distinction from the 80GB version.

      They may drop the price if sales of the 80GB version are as slow or slower than when the 60GB version was $600 -- it's possible especially if a lot of fence-sitters are buying the cheaper 60GB. Expect Sony to sit around for a few months coming up with insane reasons why sales are slowing until one of them accidentally becomes sober and notices the correlation between reduced price and increased sales.

      The holiday will of course obscure this effect for a while, too. I do not an expect a price drop on the 80GB model this year.

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    8. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Appreciated, but consider this: UT3 is a HIGHLY anticipated title...knowing that it will come out for the 360 (albiet in a slightly less functional form), what do you think is more likely to happen: a 360 owner will pay the 600 dollars for a PS3 and then another 60 dollars for the game, or just 60 dollars for the game?

      All I'm saying is that even if the PS3 version is more functional, the very fact that it will be released on multiple systems lowers the chances of someone buying a PS3 BECAUSE of UT3.

      Personally, I don't care. I prefer my online shooters to not be filled with people jumping all willy-nilly

    9. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Many PS3 fans pitch"

      And right here we get a glimpse of why there is so much fanboy grief in the world.

      The 80 gig PS3 is cheaper to produce due to:

      1) The EE half of the EE/GS PS2 hardware being removed
      2) 80 gig drives are now the bulk lowend standard and are cheaper than 60, 40, or 20 gig in bulk for companies like Sony

      3) There are other motherboard/chip cost savings that have been implemented since the first models

      What is so funny about these desperate fanboy attempts to label the 499 60 gig price as some sort of 'fake' price is it has actually helped get existing PS2 owners up off their asses and go out and buy PS3s early.

      So Sony thanks the stupid fanboys like seebs and others who have helped create the fales sense of urgency.

      Five years from now it won't really mater one bit, but it is hilarious to see fanboys own themselves.

    10. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by fistfullast33l · · Score: 1

      My point was that there's finally some reasons to pick up a PS3 this Christmas, and the price might not have to drop in that case. Yes, if you're extremely patient and price matters to you, then the PS3 probably will not be something you'll want/ask for/buy this winter. But if you have the income or don't care about price, then the games are finally getting to the point where the PS3 can take the 360 head on.

      Personally, I wouldn't touch the 360 at this point on hardware issues and stupid add on costs like a proprietary hard drive and headset, and the Xbox Live cost. But that's just me.

    11. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by bym051d · · Score: 1

      A lot of the people who bought 60s (myself included) would rather have the 60s at the same price because of the hardware. The 60s included the Graphics Synthesizer + Emotion Engine from PS2, so backwards compatibility is near 100%

    12. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Pojut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Personally, I wouldn't touch the 360 at this point on hardware issues and stupid add on costs like a proprietary hard drive and headset, and the Xbox Live cost. But that's just me.


      I know that I am just one random person, but I do own the PS3, Wii, and the 360. I can honestly say that out of all of them, between the games and the overall "feel" of the system, the 360 is by far my favourite.

      Again, that is just a lone geek's opinion...
    13. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by fistfullast33l · · Score: 1

      So then we agree to disagree!

    14. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Eponymous+Bastard · · Score: 1

      Except that UT3 is also coming out for the PC at the same time. I'd rather spend those $600 getting my PC up to spec than dump it into a PS3.

      But then again, maybe that's just me.

    15. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by MooseMuffin · · Score: 2, Informative

      360 owning FPS fans will be playing too much halo 3 to care about another FPS until 2009. UT3 is a much less important title to the 360 than it is to the ps3.

    16. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I was about to ask about that. So I need to pick up one of those 60GB if I want 100% PS2 compatibility?

    17. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Pojut · · Score: 1

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    18. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by seebs · · Score: 1

      Er, yeah, they would.

      That said, I'm glad I got a 60. I get the version that has EE and has better compatibility with PS2 games, and I upgraded to a 120GB drive by early January of this year.

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    19. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by harryk · · Score: 1

      Not quite the same deal, but Sams Club (atleast here in Milwaukee, WI) has the 80GB bundle at $549.

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    20. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not 100% even with the chips, but it's close.

      Anyway, software emulation on the other models is very good at this point, and will play nearly all games without issue. They've been adding compatibility with each (frequent) firmware release, too, so it shouldn't be a problem either way.

    21. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      count me among them, I bought a 60GB PS3 once it dropped to $500, and have spent all my time on it playing PS2 games, watching movies and fiddling about with Linux. I am eagerly anticipating warhawk though.

      its hard to say where sony is gonna jump with the 80 GB model - I personally am a fan of the unbundled 80GB for 500 bucks theory, but who knows really?

    22. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Software emulation on the 80GB is fairly decent @ ~90%, IIRC. But the 60GB is the way to go if you want the comfort of knowing your games will absolutely work with your new unit after your PS2 dies.

    23. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by old_skul · · Score: 1

      Sony? Spit in the face of their customers? Nooooooooo! Never!

    24. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by bym051d · · Score: 1

      Hardware is 98-99%. Software is ~ 90%, but most of the big games are fine.

    25. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony wouldn't disrespect their customers that much would they? Pardon me, I'm still laughing between tears. Have you ever heard of StarWars Galaxies and the New Game Enhancements? The dismal way in which Sony Online Entertainment (a division of Sony) held off announcing massive changes to the game until THE DAY AFTER the expansion Trials of Obi-Wan was released, then had to begin to backpedal and offer rebates and returns to those many many disgusted players?
      Or how about the pre-release round of Sony media and board members dismissing the Wii, 360, and public when concerns about the PS3's price were raised? Statements along the lines of... "No matter what the price, people will buy it because it is a Sony Playstation."
      Or the Sony "rootkit" DRM?
      Search out the phrase "Sony pissing off customers"... you will find many more.
    26. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by qweqwe321 · · Score: 1

      you wouldn't expect them to have a PR stunt with a decapitated goat,


      I knew Sony was evil ever since the rootkit fiasco, but wasn't aware they had PUBLICLY started worshipping Satan...
    27. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by prockcore · · Score: 1

      Well then that means Oblivion, GRAW 2, Rainbow Six: Vegas, and FEAR were all 360 exclusives.. since they came out for the 360 before they came out for the ps3.

    28. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by fistfullast33l · · Score: 1

      Outside of FEAR, which I think we could argue is a timed PC exclusive, you'd be correct. However, they didn't have the same effect, seeing as the PS3 wasn't even available to developers at the time they were released, so you couldn't expect them to be released across consoles at once.

    29. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of Windows?

    30. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      Seeing that:

      - Hardly anyone thinks of the Unreal franchise outside of being a PC series
      - Not being the huge name it was 5 years ago
      - Having about 8 other huge FPS and FPA/S (aka: Metroid or Bioshock) games to compete with
      - Everyone would would buy a PS3 already having a PC that can also run it... better

      I don't think Unreal Tournament is going to be a "console selling title".

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    31. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by PhoenixOne · · Score: 1

      As a owner of all three as well, I have to agree with the "feel" part as well.

      After you get past the cross-bar, most of the PS3 interface feels like a Linux OS. Not bad, but it just doesn't "feel right" as a console.

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    32. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      That's the thing though: I never had a PS2...

      Is the 60GB PS3 "100% compatible" with PS1 games? How about software emulation on the 80GB model?

    33. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by LKM · · Score: 1

      Well, it'll sell a few system, probably. But it's not on the level of a BioShock (even though that is available on PCs, too), and it's definitely not on the level of a Halo 3 or a Metroid Prime 3. That game will definitely move a ton of Wiis (or would, if they were available).

      The real PS3 movers are MGS and FF, and they aren't coming for some time now. The other A-list PS3 titles are all somewhat questioniable or no-names: Drake, Lair, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword...

      The PS3's games selection is looking better and better, but unfortunately, it has few system sellers.

    34. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by LKM · · Score: 1

      Personally, I wouldn't touch the 360 at this point on hardware issues and stupid add on costs like a proprietary hard drive and headset, and the Xbox Live cost. But that's just me.

      Agreed. I own both a PS3 and a Wii, but I won't buy a 360, even though it has some tempting games. There are three reasons:

      1. Hardware reliability is crap
      2. Online gaming costs money (I want to play online games, but not often enough to pay money for it)
      3. It's from Microsoft

      I could live with it being from MS, but the other two are killers.

    35. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      The question is more whether Sony WANTS to drop the price. Obviously they had to drop it on the 60GB ones since they're "worse" than the 80GB ones but whether they actually intend to make 500$ the standard price of the PS3 is unclear.

      Of course at that price level a 100$ cut is not going to do much, they're still more expensive than both competitors (yeah yeah I know, using Mac accounting you can somehow claim the 360 costs more but fact is the 360 costs 350$, the PS3 500-600$ and even adding some optional hardware to the 360 doesn't make it possible to buy a PS3 for 350$).

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    36. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, for every system sellers that the PS3 has, the Wii has 2, and the 360 seems to have 3, (although I still think the Wii will win-out in the longrun).

      As for Metroid Prime 3? I'll be interested to see the sales of that title. I'm playing it now, and I'm LOVING it. It's probably not quite as amazing as the original, but it's worlds better than Echoes, and it gives me a great sense of awe and wonder that I really missed from that title.

      However, I don't see Metroid as being much of a system seller. It's sales pale in comparison to titles like Halo, Smash, GTA, or even Mario and Zelda. However, being the first serious title since Twilight Princess, MP3 may very well bring a lot of people on board. The FPS crowd is really going to love the control scheme. Being more of an adventure game fan, myself, I'm not sure I really care for the new control scheme all that much, but Halo fans are going to utterly worship it. If Nintendo had Wiis to sell, they'd probably sell quite a few now, seeing as this is the first of 3 AAA Nintendo titles coming out in the next 4 months.

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    37. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lair and heavenly sword are crap. Warhawk is "okay". Drake will probably also be "okay".

      The PS3 has no games.

    38. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 1

      I don't believe you'll have a problem with PS1 games. PS2 games otoh... hit or miss. A lot of stuff is supported, but a lot of things aren't, and unfortunately that, the last time I checked, included a lot of the PS2's good titles.

      The PS2 was about 99% crap(10,000 some titles, about 100 are worthwhile), so 90% backwards compat isn't so grand unless it includes the good stuff.

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    39. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 1

      Seriously, who cares about the PS3? It's an also ran console.

      There is no vast conspiracy, the thing is just unappealing and will be lucky to move N64 numbers.

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    40. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by LKM · · Score: 1

      Heavenly Sword has an aggregated rating of around 80%. It's not the game everybody wanted it to be, but it's definitely not crap. Lair, though, yeah. Seems to be crap. Warhawk is great, although too expensive, and as for Drake: It's not going to be a system seller, but I'm hoping it'll be a great game anyway.

    41. Re:But is that a confirmed cut? by LKM · · Score: 1

      However, I don't see Metroid as being much of a system seller. It's sales pale in comparison to titles like Halo, Smash, GTA, or even Mario and Zelda

      The reason I think Metroid is a system seller is because it doesn't sell to the "traditional" Nintendo audience. I believe the people who love Metroid are more likely to not yet own a Wii than the people who love Smash Bros. So far, Nintendo had a lot of games for more casual fans (apart from Zelda, I guess). Metroid is the first real hard core Wii game. I think a lot of people who were on the fence because they didn't like the current game selection are going to pick up Wiis for this game (if they find any).

  3. Act now! by Kirin+Fenrir · · Score: 3, Funny

    Get 'em while they're ho-...errr...lukewarm!

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    1. Re:Act now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww, lookie the fanboy tried to make a funny...

    2. Re:Act now! by CaptainPatent · · Score: 1, Troll

      lukewarm You give Sony WAY too much credit!
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    3. Re:Act now! by SterlingSylver · · Score: 3, Funny

      Operators are standing by! And they're lonely...so lonely....won't you please put down your wii for just a few minutes to call them?

    4. Re:Act now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn straight, the only thing hot about the 360 is the power brick. How do you like your eggs cooked?

    5. Re:Act now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got some serious issues.

  4. Wow, That Was Fast by World_Greatest_Slack · · Score: 0

    I remember people trying to claim that Sony wouldn't run through their supply until middle of 2008. So much for that claim.

    Shouldn't be surprising. Sony just released the online game of the year with Warhawk. People are going nuts over this game. And Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Gran Turismo Prologue are all coming over the next few months. Sony's first party line up is absolutely insane.

    Looks like those 110 or so million PS2 owners are starting to make their move to HD/1080p next gen gaming on the PS3.

    1. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Holy shill alert, batman!

    2. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by Sneftel · · Score: 1

      Given that the majority of PS2 owners purchased their console when it was NOT the most technologically advanced console out there, what makes you think that owning the most gigahurtzy console will be important to them this time around?

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    3. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by fistfullast33l · · Score: 1

      Lair is getting some lukewarm reviews, and Heavenly Sword is as well. I'm a PS3 owner, and I'm looking forward to the games like UT3 and Haze more than the other games you list. I think they finally have enough in the pipeline that the system will be attractive to consumers this Christmas, but I think that UT3 is probably going to edge out Warhawk for Online GOTY. And I love Warhawk.

    4. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      Looks like those 110 or so million PS2 owners are starting to make their move to HD/1080p next gen gaming on the PS3.


      LOL. Yeah, right.
    5. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by JamesRose · · Score: 1

      How can you be so rose tinted about these games being released. Firstly the reason sony has run out of stocks now is because they've known how badly the console was selling and that there was not much demand. Secondlly for a game to be game of the year, you kinda have to wait till the end of the year, frankly if halo 3 comes out, that claim could very very easily be gone. Then of course you are listing games about to come out, and that about sums it up, 1 year after sony has finished it's console they're starting to release some good games. Finally, assuming 110 million consumers are going to buy the new console just because they bought the previous product is absolute crap, yes, maybe after 7 years (that's how long the PS2 has been out) maybe THEN sony will have near that number of customers, but last generation there was much less competition so its unlikely.

    6. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's right! All those PS2 owners are going to be rushing out to pick up a copy of Halo!

      LOL!

      All those PS2 owners are going to rush out and pick up the most defective console ever made, that scratches discs, that has a stupid 50 dollar a year online charge, that doesn't play all the big name games the bought PS2s for, that doesn't even play the old library of Xbox games, for a game they didn't give a shit about last gen.

      Oh wait! Maybe you meant the Wii!

      Waggle, LOL!

    7. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by Applekid · · Score: 1
      While I'm with you...

      1 year after sony has finished it's console they're starting to release some good games. Unfortunately, that seems to be par for the course for even as far back as the PS2, Gamecube, and XBox.
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    8. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 360 owners are too busy playing Forza to care about yet another facelift on the decrepit old Gran Turismo.

      And Burnout isn't a platform exclusive.

    9. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by Pojut · · Score: 1, Troll

      You know what sickens me about people like you? You aren't a gamer. Oh sure, you may spend hours in front of a screen pressing buttons like the rest of us, but your mentality makes you something of a 4 year old throwing a temper tantrum about nothing.

      Stop being so "loyal" to one company. I mean, first off the company you chose to be loyal to shut down Lik-Sang...I may love their consoles, but that move alone made me despise Sony through and through. Secondly, the "stupid" Wii and "crappy" 360 have some fantastic games for them that you can't play anywhere else.

      In fact, you might not know this, but when you buy systems from different console manufacturers, you actually have access to *gasp* MORE GAMES. Go figure, eh?

      So do us all a favour, stop being a fucking idiot, and play as many different games you can on as many different systems you can. Who knows, you may suprise yourself and transform from a "rabid fanboy" to an actual "gamer".

    10. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by stigmato · · Score: 1

      Exactly my point as well! It's not about the games being out, its about the excitement in anticipation of their release!

    11. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what sickens me about people like you? You aren't a gamer.

      Many people don't want to be.

      Oh sure, you may spend hours in front of a screen pressing buttons like the rest of us, but your mentality makes you something of a 4 year old throwing a temper tantrum about nothing.

      He's probably actually moved out of his parents, and isn't working for Best Buy or EB Games.

      No true gamer would spend enough time studying to get a college degree, or get a job with enough hours to move out of his parents.

      So do us all a favour, stop being a fucking idiot, and play as many different games you can on as many different systems you can. Who knows, you may suprise yourself and transform from a "rabid fanboy" to an actual "gamer".

      Perhaps you should spend less time playing games and more time taking responsibility and try to actually get a real job. You know one that pays well enough so you don't have to have a roommate or live with your parents?

      I can tell its one or the other, because no true gamer would have it any other way

    12. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by enderjsv · · Score: 1

      I'm a gamer and I have a degree in computer science and a job working for Bechtel. In fact, gaming is the reason I obtained a degree in C.S. I think the biggest issue I have, however, is that you're criticizing gamers in a gamer's forum. Sad that you sink so low for attention.

    13. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by pokerdad · · Score: 1

      Given that the majority of PS2 owners purchased their console when it was NOT the most technologically advanced console out there, what makes you think that owning the most gigahurtzy console will be important to them this time around?

      In fairness to the fanbois, they really did think that the PS2 was the HW king last gen; some of them still do. So in their minds history is just going to repeat itself.

    14. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

      Bechtel... Wow. People call Sony evil... That's a whole different league there.

    15. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      Okay... what?

      HW... Homework? Heavy Wieners? Hillbilly Wraiths?

      Wait, what was the PS2 the king of, last generation?

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    16. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by G+Fab · · Score: 1

      Um, it's good that lik-sang was shut down. Microsoft and Nintendo sued them too, you know. Because that company existed largely to help people copy games... which meant lower paid game programmers and less games out there.

      You seem to think you are a "gamer" as though that's some sort of honor. I love games too, and if you really enjoy this artform, you would want people who are willing to harm it for a quick buck to be stopped.

      Sony is annoying sometimes. That rootkit was bad (but they paid for it and it's over) and their marketing is arrogant and embarrassingly bad. You seem to think people can't be loyal to a company that provided them with great games and consoles (the two most popular ever, by a huge factor). Those hundreds of millions may not represent gamers to you, but that just makes you crazy.

      Your crazed hatred of Sony makes you some kind of nut. Their produt isn't that compelling. Just don't buy it then, no need to be so aggressively threatened by it!

      And fuck lik-sang.

    17. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by G+Fab · · Score: 1

      The PS@ was the king of hardware. Yep, I said it. It had the best hardware design. It was easy to make a shitload of those fuckers efficiently, so the price plummeted.

      PS2 is the king of all video game systems of all generations. No NES or SNES can approach it. Only the Gameboy and the PSone are in the same ballpark. It brought more people into gaming than any other system, and it did it with games (and shit competition from Nintendo and Microsoft). It was cheap enough for just about any bored young man. Sony knows how to make a bunch of cheap hardware, and I have little doubt that their playbook calls for a cheap PS4 for the masses and they understand all the whines about how bloated and expensive the PS3 is. This round is about the billions of dollars they (think they can) earn from blueray.

      PS2 was the king of game variety. The wii will suffer with PS2 ports for its entire lifecycle (but the wii rocks anyway).

      The parent was explaining that make "fanbois" bought into the emotion engine hype and that Saddam export story and thought the PS2 was some kind of supercomputer bargain. I was shocked when it turned out that the Cell was actually genuinely impressive after so many fell for the exact same line for the EE. And yeah, it is hard for me to believe that the Gamecube was more powerful than the PS2, though it objectively was (but it's hard to believe that the Wii is more powerful than the PS2, if you just look at a few good games on each system).

    18. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by G+Fab · · Score: 1

      to be fair, most of those PS2 owners are just going to stick to their PS2s.

      Or if they are poor, they might get a wii (some will anyway, though the wii doesn't have the games to really be compared with the PS2 yet).

      But the PS2 is the best system for people with a normal TV and a budget. It's going to be the twenty year system.

    19. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by Pojut · · Score: 1
      Apparently, you forget that Lik-Sang was also an import gamer's wet dream. So tell me...how is it that by buying games from them that I would NEVER be able to buy in big-box store or in your average gaming chain store the same as copying games?

      You seem to think people can't be loyal to a company that provided them with great games and consoles
      And you seem to think people can't like a company's products without hating the company itself.
    20. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Good morning Sony marketing departement, already awake from your office slumber?

    21. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Jepp funny thing is that most of the PS2 buyers were late adapters, or replacement consoles.

      Lets face it the PS2 might have sold 110 mio but in reality the number of owners worldwide is more along the lines of 40 mio due to lots of ps2s having broken over time and being rebought. Most of them definitely wont move to the PS3 for the forseeable future, due to its price some of them might move to the Wii and some to the XBox.

      I am not a sony hater, I have a psp but this marketing troll definitely has a blurred vision of reality.

    22. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by ShadowsHawk · · Score: 1

      Don't bother. It's pretty obvious at this point that Sony has planted people like 'G Fab' to try to improve the Sony image. Good luck with that though. I, like many other people, have decided to permanently avoid them.

    23. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by ShadowsHawk · · Score: 1

      "This round is about the billions of dollars they (think they can) earn from blueray."

      So they're essentially abusing their customers with an unreasonable price to prop up their media branch. That seems like a great reason to give them $600.

      "it is hard for me to believe that the Gamecube was more powerful than the PS2, though it objectively was (but it's hard to believe that the Wii is more powerful than the PS2, if you just look at a few good games on each system)."

      Are you an irrational fanboy or a paid plant? It has to be one or the other because no one can deny that the PS2 looks like crap compared to the gamecube or xbox. As with everything, there are exceptions. GoW, Ico, etc are all beautiful and quite entertaining. These are NOT the norm though. If you compared any multi platform game from the last generation, it was pretty obvious that the PS2 had the worst hardware.

    24. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      I can sorta understand what you're saying. But I don't think it's "hardware" that you're talking about, so much as an overall strategy. And I agree, it was one of the best campaigns (marketing along with infrastructure and hardware development) in the history of gaming. But strictly in the hardware sense, it's really hard to make a case for the PS2s superiority.

      If you want to talk about the cheapest hardware, the GCN was MUCH cheaper to manufacture (and the price reflected it). In power and graphical prowess, both the GCN and the XBox were superior in every way. Even the claim of having more polygons than the GCN has since been proven false... and don't even start on the subject of lighting and texture management.

      Nintendo's biggest problem with the GCN was actually the N64. Consoles sales are often dictated, largely, by how popular the previous system was. The N64 made a lot of enemies, with Nintendo alienating 3rd parties left and right, and Sony offering an overall much better game plan. The GCN, however, was actually quite a good system, and I think that's reflected in how well the Wii is doing: GCN may have not sold many units, but it put Nintendo back on the map in terms of being a great gaming company that weren't out to asshole 3rd parties. I think you can owe a lot of the Wii's success to the reception of the GCN. Few people hate the GCN... it's a pretty well-liked system, even though it did sell very well.

      The XBox simply brought over the PC gaming crowd, which was most of its fanbase. Microsoft was very successfull in doing this, and was able to practically tie Nintendo for 2nd place, worldwide, and set itself up for a strong 1st or 2nd place in the next generation.

      In actuality, last gen was a great generation for all three companies, in different ways. For Sony, it made them a lot of money, and allowed them to release great titles that kept people buying their products. For Nintendo and Microsoft, it ensured their success in the next generation.

      Too bad Sony so royally fucked up this gen, huh? We won't be seeing another PS2 for A LONG TIME. Oh well, it's probably better to have a more even race. Head-to-head competition often brings out the best in an industry.

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    25. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1

      The PS@ was the king of hardware. Yep, I said it. It had the best hardware design. It was easy to make a shitload of those fuckers efficiently, so the price plummeted.
      Then why was the Gamecube cheaper than the PS2 for their entire lifespans?

      And yeah, it is hard for me to believe that the Gamecube was more powerful than the PS2, though it objectively was (but it's hard to believe that the Wii is more powerful than the PS2, if you just look at a few good games on each system).
      Go play Final Fantasy XII and then play Zelda Twilight Princess (and no, don't just look at screenshots on IGN) and say that it's hard to believe the Gamecube or the Wii are more powerful. Most of the Wii games haven't even begin to use its graphics power yet (like a lot of games released in the first year of a console's life) but the Gamecube beat the shit out of the PS2 in terms of graphics and the Wii is twice as powerful.
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    26. Re:Wow, That Was Fast by G+Fab · · Score: 1

      yeah, they are absolutely abusing their customers. The PS3 is basically like giving Sony a gift, and it's not a very cost effecgtive purchase.

      Why do people ask these questions? are you being sarcastic? Perhaps you thought I love Sony or something. I do like Sony type companies, but they can just as well be apple or nintendo for all I care.

      The PS2 is and will probably be for decandes the peak of success in this industry. Stating that banal fact does not a fanboy make.

  5. Future news: by JimboFBX · · Score: 1

    A week later an auditor is fired for not noticing that a majority of those shipments went to "warehouse corporation".

  6. Not long before the 80Gb replaces it by DrXym · · Score: 1

    It's fairly likely that once the 60Gb is history that a "barebones" 80Gb model will replace it at the same price or possibly lower closer to Christmas. I'd expect they'll also revamp the "bundle" too in some way, e.g. throw Heavenly Sword or Lair into it to make it more up to date.

  7. Sony vs. Nintenod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft has flunked out of both Japan and Europe in sales. England is the only country where the 360 is still showing any meaningful sales.

    That pretty much just leaves Microsoft surviving off of US Xbox owners - which guarantees the 360 a last place finish this gen. Leaving Sony and Nintendo to battle it out this gen.

    You will probably see an X pattern for the PS3 vs Wii sales as the waggle hype dies off and more and more people upgrade to sub-1000 dollar 1080p sets. Even 7 years after the PS2 was released it is still selling at some 200k a month or so in the US.

    It should be obvious where all of those former PS2 users are going to end up over the next five years.

    1. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Brand loyalty amongst gamers is the dumbest thing ever conceived. You miss out on so much by being "loyal" and by not delving into other systems that it makes you very much like the all-show-no-go crowd that emerged after The Fast and the Furious...

      In other words, it makes you a fucking moron.

    2. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      Actually, it makes me $600 richer and no worse for the wear.

      I have every Nintendo system since the NES, and a decent library of games for every system since the SNES. I'm fairly certain that there will be games I want to play on ${CurrentNintendoSystem} and that this statement will be as true 10 years from now as it was 20 years ago and every year in between. Why should I buy a Sony system?

      Now, that's not to say that I won't buy a Sony system. I have a PSX and a PS2. I bought the PSX when FF8 wouldn't work in emulation. I bought the PS2 for Guitar Hero. I have half a dozen games for each (a paltry sum compared to my dozens of games for each Nintendo system). I haven't missed out on much by delaying these purchases, and in fact, I've saved a bit of money. The PSX was under $100 brand new, and the PS2 was about $130 brand new. No used stuff (questionable maintenance and possible abuse = no thanks). Compare that to the $300 price tag on those systems when they were new... Yeah. Saved a bundle.

      That's not moronic. It's selective and fiscally responsible.

    3. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by Pojut · · Score: 1

      I think you misunderstood me...I was referring more to the people who own consoles from ONLY one brand because it is "better" than the rest and the rest "suck".

      Timing has nothing to do with it...I fully agree with you, waiting is indeed a very smart path to choose. But when people have the "all gaming systems/companies but this one suck" mentality....that's what I was referring to.

    4. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by king-manic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Brand loyalty amongst gamers is the dumbest thing ever conceived. You miss out on so much by being "loyal" and by not delving into other systems that it makes you very much like the all-show-no-go crowd that emerged after The Fast and the Furious...

      In other words, it makes you a fucking moron.


      ie. Rabid Fanboyism.

      Remember them, the ones who started slagging the 360 right away, then the wii before launch, and then the ps3 right now. The success or failure of a Companies console doesn't really determine the size of your penis. So taking any of it as seriously as people here have tends to diminish the human race as a whole.

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    5. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by vonPoonBurGer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but games drive console sales, not brand names. The number of consoles currently in the marketplace drive the platforms that developers target. You only need to look at what the CEO of EA said to realize that. When you have the top dog of the single largest game publisher coming straight out and saying that your console was the "wrong horse," you are in some serious trouble.

      The PS2 was a huge hit because they got to market early and were able to get a snowball effect going. Developers targeted the PS2 because it was the most widely-sold console, and that in turn drove additional console sales. The PS3 will not come anywhere close to experiencing that level of success. It appeared too late, it cost too much, and they've been bleeding third-party exclusive titles at a phenomenal rate as a result. They're experiencing a slight uptick in sales thanks to the (maybe temporary) price cut, but the only numbers developers and publishers are looking at are total number of consoles sold, and the weekly numbers are only a drop in the bucket compared to those totals.

      Thanks to http://vgchartz.com/, we know that there are 10.5 million 360s, 10.5 willion Wiis, and only 4.3 million PS3s sold worldwide. What 3rd-party developer in their right mind is going to drop serious money on developing a AAA title if they can only sell it to 17% of the next-gen market? Without exclusive AAA third-party titles, there's pretty much no chance of a major increase in the rate of PS3 console sales. You only have to look at Nintendo's experience with the GameCube to realize that all the first-party titles in the world just aren't enough to get the job done.

      As for Microsoft "flunking" in Europe, the weekly numbers may look a little rosy (or at least not dismal) for the PS3, but the 360 is still the most widely sold console in the "other" (i.e. not North America or Japan) category by a fair margin at 3.3 million, which is mostly Europe. The Wii is second with 2.8 million, and the PS3 hardly even rates with 1.3 million. The PS3 outsold the 360 by a whole 6000 units in Europe for the week ending August 19th. That's simply nowhere close to enough to erase the 2 million lead the 360 has. At a rate of 6000 more consoles sold per week, it would take the PS3 seven years to catch the 360 in Europe. For the same week though, the Wii stomped them both, selling almost twice as much as the 360 and PS3 combined.

      As for Japan, MS completely botched the 360 marketing plan there, without question. You can Google for Japanese reactions to the 360's "Do Do Do" campaign, if you'd like a laugh. However, while the 360's failure to crack the Japanese market is bad news for MS, it isn't automatically good news for Sony. Japan was supposed to be Sony's stronghold, and look at the Japanese sales numbers: 3.4 million units for the Wii, and only 1.1 million for the PS3. Even in their own backyard, Sony is getting their asses handed to them.

      "It should be obvious where all of those former PS2 users are going to end up over the next five years."

      Yes, it is obvious to me, though apparently not to you: wherever the games are. Where are the games going to appear? This is also obvious: on whatever consoles are most common. Whether that's more frequently the 360 or the Wii depends on how things shake out this Xmas, but at this point the PS3 is simply too far behind to have much hope of making a comeback.

    6. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by seebs · · Score: 1

      I don't even think the 360 has a chance now. If the Wii can sell more consoles in 9 months than the 360 can sell in a year and a half, the 360's toast. The Wii, not the 360, is getting the large market of Japanese developers -- who are disproportionately relevant to American sales, even though the Japanese market is smaller.

      The 360, I think, can reasonably hope for a comfortable and clearly successful second place. I don't think it can hope to come out on top this year; the only reason it has any chance of even staying reasonably close is that Nintendo simply can't possibly meet demand until sometime in 2008.

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    7. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by Khaed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was referring more to the people who own consoles from ONLY one brand because it is "better" than the rest and the rest "suck".

      Most of these people are mentally 14 years old, if not physically. That kind of mentality is immature and stupid.

    8. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by japhmi · · Score: 1

      But when people have the "all gaming systems/companies but this one suck" mentality....that's what I was referring to.

      What about the "all gaming systems/companies suck" mentality?

      I find it saves quite a bit of money by not buying any of them.
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    9. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      And time, too. But then you have to do something else with all that time you have laying around, and that can be a PITA, or worse, boring.

      I'll stick with buying games I like.

    10. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The success or failure of a Companies console doesn't really determine the size of your penis. It doesn't??? FUCK! That guy in the alley behind the bar ripped me off!
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    11. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      The thing is, and I don't think I stated it clearly, I'm one of those "fanboys" that buys Nintendo no-matter-what and hates Sega/Sony/MS/et al. You'll notice that I tried emulation before actually buying a PSX... And it took something as thorougly awesome as Guitar Hero (actualy, GH2!) to get me to buy a PS2... No Xboxen for me yet. Besides, the middle-school-level pissing matches are almost as fun as the games.

      My SNES can beat your Genesis any day because it can display 32767 colors and the Genesissy can only display 512! My N64 can destroy your Playstation because it has z-buffering and anti-aliasing and tri-linear mipmap interpolation and the Praystation only has grainy crap! My Gamecube is better than your PS2... because it is! My Wii ownz your Xbox360 because the ladies love playing with my Wii!

      I almost punched a kid in high school over one of these arguments (SNES vs. Genesis, back then). Good times... Fortunately, I'm 27 now, completely secure in my fanboyism, and don't have much time to get into immature arguments anymore.

    12. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Look, I can understand having a favourite or whatever...but as a gamer, you really are doing yourself a major disservice by limiting yourself to Nintendo-only products...

      I mean, do whatever you want, not my place to tell you what to do...I'm just saying, you are missing out on a LOT by not going past Nintendo.

    13. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by fauxhammer · · Score: 1

      The wii and the 360 are apples and oranges. The 360 and the ps3 are oranges and oranges. Lots of people own both a Wii and one of the other two systems, but you'll find very few who have a 360 and a PS3, because theres a lot of redundancy there. The wii, however is unique enough to be worth owning for anyone who can possibly afford to have two consoles. And by the same token, it's worth having a 360 in addition to the Wii if you're at all interested in "gamer" games. Just because nintendo has managed to break out of the industry's rut and appeal to the non-gamer crowd doesn't mean that there isn't still plenty of money to be made in the tried-and-true rut. The rut, after all, is where the every system other up until now has made plenty of money. There are an awful lot of outstanding games that are available on the 360 and/or PS3 that aren't going to be available on the Wii. Assassin's Creed and Bio Shock come to mind. As innovative and fresh as the Wii is, there are a lot of games that appeal to a lot of people that the Wii isn't really suited for. There's still a market for traditional (and more powerful) consoles. That's what Sony and Microsoft are fighting over, and Sony is unquestionably losing.

    14. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>I'm sorry, but games drive console sales, not brand names.

      I just bought a PS3. Not because there's a title I want to play on it (there's not), but because Sony offered a $150 discount to anyone who signs up for the Sony Style credit card (which will be promptly cancelled when the refund comes in) at the same time, and because they offered $100 of blue-ray movies for free. If you pick up the 60GB at 100$ or the 80GB with a 50$ game for free (Motorstorm), you're looking at a total 'cost' of $250-$300. Which was finally the right ballpark for me to buy a PS3. You can google for the offer.

      I wanted to see what FF12 and some of the other PS2 games looked at in higher resolution (the 1.8 patch for the PS3 enabled this, which was a big selling point to me), and wanted a blue-ray player. Everything else (like all the Media Center and WebTVish crap) was just extras on top. I'll probably pick up Little Big Planet when it comes out.

    15. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by seebs · · Score: 1

      I dunno. I went PS3 in the PS360 debate, simply because the hardware's more impressive, I want to play with Linux on Cell, and I don't really want to send my box in three times a year for repairs. ... Of course, I may be atypical.

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    16. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by gameboyhippo · · Score: 1

      I actually switched camps when the Dreamcast went belly up. I followed Sonic to the Gamecube and found a new home. MS doesn't have any good E rated game (except maybe Viva Piñata, but even that's coming to the DS). Sony is trying to be Microsoft. With all of the reasons I bought my non-Nintendo systems coming to the Wii/DS, why should I buy anything else? Plus I can play all of my Genesis games thanks to the Wii having blast processing. (or at least emulating the hy-- feature).

    17. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by prockcore · · Score: 1

      I want to play with Linux on Cell


      Why? You know it doesn't act any different from linux on a x86, or linux on a ppc.
    18. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with what you're saying, but I still think Microsoft is blowing it in Europe.

      You can't read too much from the aggregated figure because, unlike the US or Japan, it doesn't behave like a single market. What I mean by behave is that it is next to impossible in the US to have, for instance, the 360 thrashing the PS3 on the west coast and the reverse on the east coast. It very much is in Europe. Case in point: of that "rest of world" 3.3 million, more than 2/5 are in the UK, which is at the very best 1/6 of western Europe + other first world (i.e console buying) countries. That's very bad: outside the UK, at the very best, that's twice the 360's market penetration in Japan. Now, like you said, the PS3 isn't exactly taking everything by storm there. The point however is that, less costly annd with better games, the 360 should be killing the PS3. But it isn't. Hence Microsoft is blowing it.

      What happens when Sony cut the price in Europe, which, you may have noticed, they had the luxury of not doing yet, in spite of the PS3 being much more expensive there than in the US? What happens if/when it does get good games? Assuming Nintendo comes out first what if Microsoft wins second place in the US and the UK (pop. about 360m), and Sony in Japan plus the rest (pop. at the very minimum 420m)?

    19. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

      It does if you install the Cell SDK.

    20. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      Just a comment...

      FF8 didn't need emulation. It had a PC version that worked great (except for some minor synthesizer differences). I can still remember... it was one of the first RPGs I ever played (I didn't start gaming until I was in college). Now FF9 required emulation... and emulate it did, perfectly.

      I didn't buy a PS2 until I wanted to play FFX... and boy what a lame excuse for buying a console THAT was! Oh well, about 20 titles later, it was worth it.

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    21. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by G+Fab · · Score: 1

      Brand loyalty is awesome. Sure, Chevy makes an ok car right now, but I buy Honda because they have never let me down.

      Lots of people liked what Sony gave them for the past many years. If they want to reward that satisfaction, that seems pretty sound.

      Sony will have to get the games, of course, but barring that, they will be tougher to beat than many believe. They have gone far upmarket from PS2, so that will cost them a ton of people (but I don't see most of those going to the XBOX, but rather staying with the PS2 for a long time).

      That guy who always buys nintendo because he has always loved what they gave him can be called "rapid fanoy" I guess, but he's happy and you are mad enough to schreech "fucking moron", so it seems he comes out the winner in this situation (switch any console or product and this applies).

      I understand why you're pissed. It's amazing how angry people are about products they don't own. But it's cool to like companies like Sony (and samsung and apple and the like). Those companies take huge risks with billions of dollars hoping that their stuff will be so cool it takes off. The result is a cool world. Personally, I really like Sony type companies for that attitude.

    22. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by heinousjay · · Score: 1

      I have to wonder why you'd bother reading a story in the games section. I also wonder as to your feeling when you posted that. Was there a hint of smug self-satisfaction going on? Did you feel like a superior geek?

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    23. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      Heh... "Blast Processing" wasn't hype, nor was it a feature. It was just Sega's fancy marketing-drivel name for double buffering. Everything up to that point on consoles had just used ultra-fast vblank blitters and DMA. Sonic would get all kinds of nasty image tearing and artifacts if they did that, so they "invented" double buffering for that game. Then marketing spun it (as marketing is wont to do) and it became a bullet point for the fanboys to argue over.

    24. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      I had Connectix Virtual Game Station for the Mac (OS 9, not X!). They finally updated the emulation core for it to work with FF8, but it took them a while, and I had bought the real PSX by the time that patch was released. Then they discontinued CVGS.

    25. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by japhmi · · Score: 1

      I find that books do a great job at filling in that time. They tend to be cheaper than games, and a lot of them are contained at these large buildings called 'libraries' that will let you borrow them for free.

      Also, since I have a PC anyway, PC gaming works.

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    26. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by japhmi · · Score: 1

      I have to wonder why you'd bother reading a story in the games section.

      Because I enjoy reading about technology, even if I'll never use it. I also like to keep up with office talk, and a lot of it is based on games.

      I also wonder as to your feeling when you posted that. Was there a hint of smug self-satisfaction going on? Did you feel like a superior geek?

      Oh, all of that. Plus this joyful anticipation of people's response.
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    27. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, that's right. At the time, I had a PC (I'm back to Mac now), so I was in the clear. Eventually, I've heard that Mac PS1 and N64 emulation became better than PC emulation... though I haven't needed to try it out, now that I own a PS2 and Wii.

      Anyway, yeah, that makes sense.

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    28. Re:Sony vs. Nintenod by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 1

      Sony themselves make few things I would like to play. Microsoft themselves make basically nothing I would care to play. Nintendo makes quite a few things I enjoy playing. I don't much care for graphical superiority, I have a PC for that.

      Now, which console should I buy? Well, at this point, Microsoft has few things that interest me on their offering, Sony has absolutely nothing that interests me on their offering, and Nintendo has a few things, a cheaper price, and the guaranteed promise of franchises I enjoy, some this year. Plus, perhaps Nintendo will win and the great mass of non-first party devs will make games for their platform.

      Seems like an easy decision, doesn't it?

      There remains, to this day, absolutely no reason to buy a PS3 as a gaming console... so I'd argue that those who buy / have bought it are the "fucking morons." Now, when the value proposition changes, I will probably pick one up.

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  8. Penny Arcade Obligs by Seakip18 · · Score: 1

    Here and here. Regardless, if you dry up on producing machines, I'm sure you'll eventually sell them.

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  9. I'm shocked. by phoenix.bam! · · Score: 1

    They managed to sell both of them?

  10. Soon we will know by Alex777 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the 80GB model isn't getting a price cut, even when the 60GBs are gone. Sony has a pretty good lineup coming up, and they stand to lose a lot in the short term if people buy reduced-price PS3s but only one or two games.

    On the other hand, they might want to get Blu-ray players into as many homes as possible, given the recent adoption of HD-DVD by many film studios- even if it means absorbing a big short-term loss. They know PS3s will move once their AAA titles start coming out, so there isn't much motivation for a price cut now, game-wise.

    Overall, I think the PS3 is just too speculative for most consumers. The price in and of itself isn't the major concern, (people will spend hundreds of dollars on home entertainment) but rather questions like "Will Blu-ray become the de-facto HD format?", "How many price cuts will occur between now and when the games I want are released?", and even "Are AAA titles eventually going to be ported to 360 or PC?"

    1. Re:Soon we will know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares? It's good for all gamers. People are buying more than one brand of consoles now. The cheaper they get the better for all of us, regardless of preferences.

      The real reason the PS3 isn't selling is piracy. Both the Wii and 360 are hacked and have a big pirate scene, likewise with the NDS. Do Nintentdo care? Hell no, they look like they're going to break units sold records all over the planet. The PS3 is still locked up. If it ever gets unlocked, watch the units start to fly off the shelves.

    2. Re:Soon we will know by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, they might want to get Blu-ray players into as many homes as possible, given the recent adoption of HD-DVD by many film studios- even if it means absorbing a big short-term loss. I think you make an excellent point. My next video game system must also play one of the high-definition discs, I could care less which format. Microsoft isn't offering an integrated HDDVD package (yet) and I still think both systems are a bit pricey for my use, so the first company to the price-point punch wins my business.
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    3. Re:Soon we will know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > given the recent adoption of HD-DVD by many film studios

      OMG! Did you just try to spin the 150 dollar payoff to just TWO studios by Microsoft to keep HD-DVD on lifesupport as 'adoption'

      Fanboys, LOL

      HD-DVD is dead, get over it fanboy. Viable formats don't need Microsoft paying off companies just to put their content on it.

    4. Re:Soon we will know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're both dying unless someone can convince people that it's worth buying their whole library of DVDs over again.

    5. Re:Soon we will know by vakuona · · Score: 1

      You absolutely do not have buy your library all over again. If anything, it shall be an easier, quicker and less painful transition than VHS to DVD. You can play your old DVDs (they kept the same form factor for more than just passing familiarity). You can play your old DVDs on the PS3, any HD DVD player , any Bluray player. But if you want the best picture on a TV set larger than 32 inches, HD DVD is the way to go.

    6. Re:Soon we will know by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      I agree, but not because of the lineup issue. Compared to the Wii and 360s (especially) upcoming exclusive lineup, the PS3 is the runt. Sony won't cut the price, because they simply can't afford to. They're already losing $300 on a console.

      Let's face it, cutting back from $600 to $500 isn't going to move a hell of a lot more units. It's still too fucking much. It's only selling to people where money is no object... and for them, they're going to buy it at $500 or $600, so why drop the price?

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  11. Thieves... by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looking at the price difference between 60GB and 80GB 2.5" HDDs, the $100 more for the larger disk strikes me as very close to theft.

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    1. Re:Thieves... by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and you still get a black PS3 either way, so they're even worse than Apple on that front!

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    2. Re:Thieves... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Subtract $60 for the bundled Motorstorm. Not that I disagree, but then I bought a 20GB unit and installed a 160GB drive the same day.

    3. Re:Thieves... by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It also comes with a game, so the difference isn't quite as much.

      Now, if you want to discuss theft with regards to 20GB of storage space...

    4. Re:Thieves... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking at the price difference between 60GB and 80GB 2.5" HDDs, the $100 more for the larger disk strikes me as very close to theft. Not to mention that the $100 cheaper version contains the PS2 hardware to provide perfect backwards compatibility, so for your $100 you get 20GB more storage, and lose backwards compatibility. Now someone will come out with that "80% compatible" figure but that's not "80% compatible with games" it's "80% compatible with the PS2" meaning that quite a few current PS2 titles are unplayable on the new PS3: they'll start, you can play through part of them, but when you hit that 20%...

      So, yeah, $100 more for a less capable system with a $10 larger hard drive. Even throwing in the bundled game I wouldn't want, that's still a huge rip-off.
    5. Re:Thieves... by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Informative

      Doesn't it also come without hardware PS2 emulation?

    6. Re:Thieves... by CodyRazor · · Score: 0

      Im sorry but this just pisses me off. Like the above poster pointed out, apple charges close to $200 AUD for the same thing!

      Sony: $100 US for 20gb more space Apple $100+ US (not sure the exact amount) for 20gb more and black instead of white. which entails close to 0 manufacturing cost. actually its probably cheaper because white is harder to make than black.

      When sony does it, its theft! how dare they charge such exhorbitant prices! When apple does it, its a "design choice" you idiots! your paying for superior(?) design. i.e. black.

      I dislike sony too. But i dislike apple more. Sony is like Kim Jong Il. They treat you liek shit and veil it with a thin facade of politeness.

      Apple is like the US government. Theyve convinced the people theyre king shit, even tho theyre at least as bad as sony.

      i suppose then rednecks are on the same level as mac fanboys.

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    7. Re:Thieves... by Runefox · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure most of what Apple does qualifies as theft, but then again, same with Microsoft and most large corporations with market share.

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  12. Tactics by thyrf · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or does this look like a 'panic buy' tactic? There's still no way I'm shelling out £350+ even for the 60GB model.

  13. No announcements until 60GB model exhausted??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'We won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated,' the company has said. If this statement holds true, don't expect to hear any further announcements for a good long while. The 60GB PS3s are not exactly flying off the store shelves...
  14. Sonny boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sonny boy, the battle is over.

    When you say:
        "That pretty much just leaves Microsoft surviving off of US Xbox owners - which guarantees the 360 a last place finish this gen. Leaving Sony and Nintendo to battle it out this gen."

    You're ignoring reality. XBox360 has a lead over the PS3 (and growing), and the Wii is blowing both away.

    The only battle at this point is for last. Nintendo won this generation. Sony and MS are scratching their heads, can't quite figure it. But it's over. The only thing left is how much the PS3 has set back Sony and whether they can make a run at Microsoft.

    But please... this perception that Sony is about to take off should have died 6 months ago. It's embarrassing to keep repeating it.

    1. Re:Sonny boy... by G+Fab · · Score: 1

      I know that there was a slashdot story that left out the vast majority of sales to give people the impression that the XBOX 360 is still outselling the PS3, but it's not. It's actually selling about half as many.

      When you don't include qualifiers, you are implicitly saying "in the entire world" and Sony is dramatically improving their run at second place. But you are right that Sony is too far upmarket to "Win" anything but billions upon billions of dollars. The worst and best thing about the PS3 is that it is tied to bluray. It will certainly break even on its own (you'd have to be a total nut not to grant this is obvious). With bluray, it's going to make a ton of money.

      I don't understand your tone. You say things like "its embarrassing" as though PS3 owner's souls are tied to this machine somehow. It's already got a small number of good games and it's got some interesting capabilities. My daughter uses it as her personal computer. Why should I care if the XBOX is more successful (if I didn't own one myself)? $600 for a toy I use often for five years is a great deal! It's over? Maybe for some Sony exec who made a ridiculous promise of domination, but that's just not important to normal people.

      Remember also, the PS3 has the farthest to fall in price. What happens in three or four years? Many people really do see the PS3 as a luxury item, and if it were $350 in a few years, that thing would sell fine. Would the next XBOX be able to steal the thunder? I expect they will be serving different markets.

  15. expect to see another low-end ps3 by loafula · · Score: 1

    i expect to see a new low-end model hit the shelves in the next couple of months. i'm guessing a $450 20gb model. it doesn't make sense to slash the 60gb prices and just discontinue it. they had to sell them off, and who would dole out $500 when they know a cheaper model is just around the corner. as whack as sony seems, i think they just may know what they are doing. with the hd wars leaning in favor of blu-ray, i think the ps3 is gonna start to make a huge comeback in the console war

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  16. PS2 Chip on Board by Conception · · Score: 4, Informative

    Also as a reminder for those sitting on the fence, I believe this will be the last model with hardware support for PS/PS2 titles. The 80GB and on have software emulation.

    1. Re:PS2 Chip on Board by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Which is a good thing. You can't really patch hardware issues (emulation chip), but you can provide updated emulation software with each PS3 OS release.

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    2. Re:PS2 Chip on Board by Roskolnikov · · Score: 1

      Though usually true, the chip(s) used are a complete PS2 emotion engine set, they are as good as the real deal;
      It might be possible for Sony to 'enhance' the PS2 experience in emulation, than again there is something to be said for *not* upgrading your PS3's OS,
      if Sony follows the PSP model each new release will get them closer to closing potential DRM end arounds.

      I am truly on the fence here but have no plans on selling my ps2, so near perfect emulation is just fine, I'll wait to see what I suspect Sony will do.

      the current 80 GB bundle will stay at its current price, the new 80 GB edition will be cheaper with less goodies (no game, no wifi, no flash slots, no controller, whatever they can strip to show value).

      JMHO

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    3. Re:PS2 Chip on Board by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Except it's not an "emulation chip" -- it's a PS2 chip. Emulation is where you make hardware pretend to be something it's not, in order to support the software. Not that I think it matters.. If you're concerned about PS2 games, you probably already have a PS2. Yeah it's nice to only need one console hooked up, but in the end it's just a minor inconvenience to have both.

    4. Re:PS2 Chip on Board by Zenki · · Score: 1

      Actually with the chip you have best of both worlds.

      You can use it to get a high fidelity reproduction of PS2 behavior because it's an _ACTUAL_ PS2 part.

      Or if there is a hardware issue, Sony can have specific games use software emulation to assist.

      Or if the software emulation is better in every way possible, Sony can just have the software emulator run the game and ignore the hardware on the board.

    5. Re:PS2 Chip on Board by GNious · · Score: 1

      They will likely all have software emulation with Sony disabling the Emotion Engine - go google a bit.

  17. Backwards compatibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I ran out and bought a used 20g PS3 at gamestop for $370. After all the 20g and 60gs are gone, you'll be forced to use emulation to play ps1 and ps2 games. I don't really feel like spending $100 more so I have the disk space to download emulators, so I went ahead and bought a ps3 and a USB wireless nic.

    Yeah, the 360 and the Wii have more/better games, but between my roommates and I, we only needed a ps3 to finish out our collection...

  18. Sony vs. Nintendo vs... Microsoft by trdrstv · · Score: 1

    Brand loyalty amongst gamers is the dumbest thing ever conceived. You miss out on so much by being "loyal" and by not delving into other systems that it makes you very much like the all-show-no-go crowd that emerged after The Fast and the Furious...

    Brand loyalty isn't so bad, I think you are lashing against the Rabbid Fanboyism though which is (I agree) quite dumb. Brand Loyalty however could get people to cross platforms and "blur the lines" of Fanboy-hood.

    Let's say you really like Final Fantasy... Which system should you buy? Some would say the PS2 and others the DS.

  19. Not necessarily anymore by grapeape · · Score: 1

    When those comments were made at E3 Live was still a closed system. MS announced their Xbox Live Silver Program which allows 3rd party companies to maintain, manage and update from their own servers rather than from MS. When asked if that would allow a company like Epic to allow PC to 360 maps and level editors it was stated that that was indeed one of the reasons for the new service.

  20. EE! Quickly Act Now! by Generic+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've read these reports over the last couple of days. I have been waiting and delaying the idea of getting a PS3 because lack of compelling games and my own lack of HDTV to play it on. With this news, I was beginning to worry about spending the cash now to pick up a 60GB unit with the included Emotion Engine (EE) hardware support for true backwards compatibility. I have a lot of PS1 and PS2 games I want to make sure work properly.

    Then it occurred to me... I already have a machine which works with my regular old TV set and plays all my PS1 and PS2 games perfectly: my PS2. And if I want a wireless control with missing rumble action... well, I already have a 3rd party wireless controller with that (lack of) feature.

    Realizing that Sony has a good chance of coming in a distant third for this generation's console race and that software studios are focusing on Xbox360 and Wii (with those systems' easier development tools) there really is no point to bothering with PS3. All the 'good' games are coming out on Xbox360 anyway. The stomach pangs of losing out on the hardware EE support simply went away with the realization that PS3 is already finished in the market. I'll simply keep my PS2 for awhile longer at no additional cost.

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    1. Re:EE! Quickly Act Now! by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      That was my attitude before RRoD issues (which are still going on, as more die every day) and the 'sauna' test of the PS3.

      While I love that when my 360 dies, I can get it fixed/replaced for free, I hate the fact that I'll be without it for 6 weeks to do so. Knowing that the PS3 tends to be a more solid console, I have decided to buy games for it when they are on multiple consoles, and for the 360 when it's only for the 360.

      I'm the only 360 owner I know that hasn't been through at least a couple 360's, and I think that's because I take insanely good care of mine... Fan that constantly feeds cool air to it, only on for a few hours at a time, etc etc. When I stuck Bioshock in the other day, my first thought was 'man, I hope it doesn't die before I finish this.' Of course it didn't, but just the thought is enough to piss me off.

      I prefer the 360 controller, I like the achievements, and I think the menu systems have better style... But I have no confidence in the machine.

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  21. Sept. 25th...? by dstyle5 · · Score: 1

    Halo 3 comes out on Sept. 25th and historically when a huge, potentially system-selling games come out competitors do something to combat the hype. My guess is that Sony will either drop the price, make some kind of software bundle or do both.

    1. Re:Sept. 25th...? by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

      Maybe they'll release Home. It's still supposed to be in "September or October."

    2. Re:Sept. 25th...? by Grave · · Score: 1

      Short of cutting the price of the 80GB PS3 to well below $400, there is nothing Sony can do to put a dent in Halo 3 sales. They're not even remotely concerned about it, though, because it's been known for a couple of years that when Halo 3 came out, it would move a lot of 360s, and there isn't a thing that can be done about it. Sony does not have a game that is even close to Halo 3 in terms of fan base or hype. Going anywhere near a store that carries video games that day with the intent of buying anything will already require a very long wait in line, and sales of products not related to 360 or Halo will be substantially lower anyway. Trying to draw attention to the PS3 isn't going to be possible for Sony on 9/25. If they're really lucky, they might get mentioned alongside the Wii when news reporters talk about the huge lines and crowds for Halo and the 360, but that's about it.

      Halo isn't just a huge, potentially system-selling game - it redefines the idea of huge. Hell, Halo 2 did $125,000,000 in sales in 24 hours, with $49.99 and $54.99 price points and fewer pre-orders. And that was strictly sales of the game - systems, controllers, Live subscriptions weren't even counted in that figure. This time around, Halo 3 sells for $59.99, $69.99, and $129.99 and had over 1 million pre-orders a couple weeks ago.

  22. 80Gb hard drive == $41 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the current street price of an 80Gbyte hard drive in one-off quantities is $41 (http://www.newegg.com/) - one would imagine that in quantity, they'd be a lot less. So even if SONY are getting their 60Gbyte drives for $0, it's really hard to justify the price difference.

    1. Re:80Gb hard drive == $41 by Devir · · Score: 1

      Motorstorm = 60$. 80gig $41
      41 + 60 = 101.

      You save $1 buying the 80 gig, motorstorm bundle. Well, using your numbers.

  23. Want one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At the Target store I work at, we've had the same 4 60GB PS3's in stock since April. We've sold 2 in that time span.

  24. Can somebody track the parent post? by PhoenixOne · · Score: 1

    Seriously. This smells so badly of Sony marketing that I think it needs looking into.

    I could be totally wrong. But a brand-new account that reads like astro-turf. This is exactly the type of embarrassing PR technique Sony is quickly becoming known for.

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    1. Re:Can somebody track the parent post? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It says a lot about modern geek culture that the GP is probably not a shill. There's a certain group of people who identify so strongly with corporate sympathies(Apple, Google, all the console companies) and antipathies(Microsoft, as well as all the console companies) that they practically take on the job of marketing departments—boasting about certain companies/products and spreading FUD about others—free of charge. (Linux and its various distributions also have their share of "fanboys", even though most aren't commercial products. Note that I don't mean to include everyone who supports the "Linux cause" in this; because Linux is a cooperative effort, some "community spirit" is probably to be expected.)

      Of course, there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to tell others about some specific product you like or dislike(word-of-mouth is probably the most honest form of marketing), but I feel that things have gotten out of hand when relations with entire companies become emotional issues.

      The GP is clearly worded with the intent of marketing the PS3, and a new account was probably created pretty much for that purpose, but my guess is that this isn't a professional job.

    2. Re:Can somebody track the parent post? by PhoenixOne · · Score: 1

      The sad thing is, you are probably right. While it is obviously marketing, it isn't trying to sound "urban" and/or "hip".

      I'm guessing it is either a stupid fan, or an employee of Sony doing it on their free time.

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  25. Money??? by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    I don't know how much money you make, but you seem to be mistaking fanboyism for something I like to call "a budget". Not everyone can afford to spend $599 on a PS3, $499 on a 360, and $300 on a Wii. That's $1400 freaking dollars - I can feed and house my family for almost two months on that. Not to mention the cost getting games for each of those systems. A few years ago when I was a student I would be lucky to even buy *ONE* of these systems, considering the $299 Wii price is my food for 3 months. No, most people can only afford one game system. So, whichever one you chose (if you can get any at all), you're stuck with it, for at least 2-3 years.