I agree. Somewhere along the line, nintendo begain to rely too much on a core set of gameplay or characters and seemd afaird to create anything wholey new. The wii has thusfar been about short pick up and play games that don't really stay with you once they are done.
The game situation is pretty much always like that first year. Look at the box, only a handful of interesting stuff till gears hit home. Ps2 had a simular fate back in the day. It was all ssx or doa2 till around that summer, when we saw some of the big guns finally hit.
The ps3's titles right nwo are somewhat limited, same with the wii, with only MS having a large selection availible. On the ps3 its pretty much all about oblivian, resistance, mortorstorm, and ninja gaiden. on the wii, Zeldas been pretty much the only must have. In the near future, you have quite a few sony titles comming, with only metroid this fall on the wii and brawl this december.
Honestly hwo the wii's selling i'm not sure, doesn't have a library, and doesn't look like a hit filled fall for it, outside a few titles. In all honesty 360 should be outselling it, no clue why its not. I'd wadger price has to do with it, combined with MS's horrible reputation.
MGS i'll give you, but the ratio seems to be about 5/1 with about 5 hours of gameplay per hour of movie in mgs, with FF's being about 30/1, with 30 hours of game per 1 of fmv. Of course in an rpg, you also have to consider if text scrolling or non-interactive story elements count as a movie or a game.
Take FF8 for example. Boasted over an hour of FMV. People said it was an interactive movie, yet my gameplay clocked in at about 65 hours first playthough, and thats leavign out stuff like the card card sidequest. FFx's wasn't much different from that.
Movies died on UMD because well, gamers don't buy titles like fried green tomatoes. Toss in the fact no one else built a umd player and it was doomed as a media format.
Ah, considering alot of those "unreleased" games were featured in hands on demos to the press the last few months, including KZ2 which was played at E3 in real time, i'd say you more likely work for MS or Nintendo than Sony.
Paper mario was a platformer that tried to play like an RPG, but was too chatty to be one and too lacking in options to be the other. Toss in the boring 3d landscapes that seemed like an afterthought, and secondary characters, items, etc, that never really get used and well, it falls flat. I should know, I own it.
always thought it was odd people grilled sony over the coals for the UMD, but ignored nintendo and every other portable makers use of locked formats for decades.
They need to get burners out to developers, but I could care less for one my self. mini-dvd's are cheep and pretty useful. Mini-blu-ray woudl be neat, but i'm not sure it woudl fly, as it woudl be yet another format for movies and such. Once blu-ray gets to the price that cd/dvd's are at, we might see something like that hit.
Original game is an original game, so far as i'm concerned. People brush off sony's games for the ps3 despite the previews, reviews, etc, because its sony. Lair is not star wars. HS is not GoW. Heck, HS is pretty awesome production wise, and the gameplay sounds to play a whole lot more refined than Gows. Drake looks awesome, probabaly the first action adventure since TR 1 to catch my interest. Warhawk is a mixed back, but her, its a cheep downloadable online game. Ditto for Socom. Resistance is cliche, but what FPS isn't? At least its weapons and setting are fun.
Wii has rpgs? How a few, but not really enough to make it worth while. Sony's got quite a few with folklore, FF, white knight, and others. those three again, look and sound great thusfar.
Nintendo is lacking in games that actualy play worth a damn. I blame "gesture based controls" and lack of creative design. If its a port, it plays better on another system. If its original, its usually a rental at best. Again, all these months since launch and still nothing has proven worth the $50 cost. Everything seem to ether look bad, play bad, or have a bad design.
Mascot games annoy me. ITs riding on the past and character recognition to sell a new idea, instead of creating new ip's for it. Sony has nearly always created a new ip when it gets into a new genre, nintendo rehashes a setting or character a hundred times. Imagine if a movie company did this. You'd see every film with the same actors playing the same characters in different settings. Woudl you stand for it then? Then why stand for it here? Core gameplay is usually pretty simplistic these days for nintendo, which brings up the concern that most of their first party wii games suffer from: no replayability or depth to the game. Everything is shovelware from them these days, with too few exceptions.
I guess thats the core of my complaints, ninteno is just unoriginal, lacks in the games department, and hasn't produced anything worth owning thusfar. I will not settle for medeocracy in gaming from nintendo. They should be better than that, but sadly, it seems they aren't. Sony and MS may be average, but average is better than awful.
Nintendo is just a gaming company?
Ah, they make insane money from non gaming stuff, like movies, cardgames, TV shows, etc. Not to mention by farming out their own games to other developers to save costs.
I don't think sony's been over promoting the ps3's non gaming functions. We see soe blu-ray movie playback, but most people don't know about the rest of the functions, usualy upgradability, etc. at its core, its still a game machine, as every peice of hardware in it is designed for that purpose. The blu-ray you can argue about, but people said the same thing about DVD in the ps2 back in the day.
As for the wii functions? I've seen ads promting the photo/mii/weather, etc. Toss in the fact that most of their games thusfar have been lackluster, with only Zelda, a port, being a worthy buy. Everything else is party shoevelware thats forgotten, or saddled with bad controls. Mines been collecting dust since December and shows no signs of use anytime soon. Smash brothers looks nice, but i'd like more than one game to play on it for the rest of the year. Give me something thats not a sequal or a mascot game and we'll talk.
Meanwhile, I look at sony and see a slew of new Ip's fromt heir core developement teams, like resistance, Heavenly sword, Drake, 8 days, lair, motorstorm, etc. Besides a few thri party games, alot of what they are making is original stuff that looks stellar. Even their few sequals look better than nintendos, like the new Rachet and Clank game.
And yet people say nintendo are the original ones. This boggles the mind.
Nintendo basically screws us over on all gameing functions, genres, usuability, features, online, and more, yet are reqarded with stellar sales and an unbashable company image.
Even MS, hardware problems aside, is doing better in the games area than nintendo these days. Honestly, they should be in first place this gen, with sony behind, and nintendo dead in it's tracks.
What online offering? They have some of their backcatalog up via VC, but alots of thats games we played 20 years ago that are easy ports. The downside is you can't play these off a memory card, and you have to buy additional hardware in the form of a GCN or classic controller to play alot of them. Not to mention you can only have so many active channels, max of 50, which may make things hairy in the future.
Toss in the total lack of any worthwhile online play of any sort, and i'd say Sony's got the leg up on them here.
7) They arrive on earth to find it at the very start of the great crusade. Forced into the Imperial Navy, they turn around and pursue the cylons back to their homeworld.
Defining moments are when Adama orders the Exterminatus against the cylon homeworld and when a human cylon craps a brick at seeing a space marine with a chainsword.
After all, you could always say that the cylons had been worshiping the void dragon or the Machine god in the end.
Well yeah, Nintendo is pushing it as the console of the bejewelled player. The wii thrives on cheep, easy games that are simple to play. Attracts a lot of new gamers, but the older ones are left out as a result.
Motion controls, as the wii has it's set up, just don't work for a lot of genres, but they are great for point and click games and ones that only require motion to control, like golf. Everything else its stuck with a bad control scheme. The result? Formally mainstream genres become unplayable on the console.
Not to mention, the lack of power makes the grand epics we see in the future of the PC, ps3, and 360 platforms near impossible. It just doesn't have what it takes to bring such games to light in the way the others can. Its like limiting a movie director to 8mm film, where as the other studios are letting them go hog wild with 32mm and digital stock. Sure you can make some great stuff, but the limitation is obvious.
I've had a wii since release and well, it's novelty has worn on me. The two greatest games are ports form a previous generation. The controls on most games are horrid and graphics and sound seem washed out.
It's pretty much the home console built for people who spend time on thousand dollar pc's playing java games. These aren't the people who run out and buy half life 2 or the like.
What I fear is the wii's influence on the industry. I don't want to see the end of the epic game due to the profitability of the simple mini-game. It was that style of game design that caused the industry crash, and kept video games are child's toys for decades.
Nintendo is making insane amounts of money by basically selling the TV console version of a gameboy. Gameboys rarely, if ever, produced any sort of epic game. The majority are simple junk thats really isn't worth playing in the long run.
As for how they make so much money? They avoid costs. No online setups, no support for advanced audio or video options, outdated or barely acceptable hardware, and farming out main franchises to second or third parties. This lets them avoid all the sought after, but costly, expenses you see Sony or MS endure. But because of Nintendo's following, they can never be seen in a bad light. They can literally do no wrong in the eyes of most people. If Sony or MS had made the same design decisions, they woudl be bashed to hell and back. After all, didn't we bash sony for months over Ps3 spec's, yet have forever remained silent that Nintendo never released any wii specs?
So really, the core of the matter is the wii is the home gameboy, with all the same limitations, and with largely the same audience in target. Frankly, I just don't see why thats a good thing.
What makes you think those things are proof of intellgence? For all you know, the Ape might consider itself intellegent because of the exact opposite reasons.
Somepeople don't like to pay money each month so a group of lowlifes can kill your toon 30 times a day while you try to grind or complete a quest. Greiefing pretty much destroyed EQOA, and makes alot of other mmorpgs a chore rather than a fun experience.
Personaly, I say throw the book at them. If a persons out there killing/hurrassing people just because they can, I'd have they account canceled, their IP adress and CC banned, and their toon publically exicuted before the other players.
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Maby we'll get lucky and some Ex-Cavedog folks are restarting Amen: The Awakening.
That game had so much potential, and had an interesting enough story that it could have rocked. Its a shame cavedog scraped it when they hit finacial woes.
If I had the money and the talent, i'd pick up the rights to it, get ahold of all cavedog's concept art/storyboards/etc and make the game a realty.
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I agree. Somewhere along the line, nintendo begain to rely too much on a core set of gameplay or characters and seemd afaird to create anything wholey new. The wii has thusfar been about short pick up and play games that don't really stay with you once they are done.
The ps3's titles right nwo are somewhat limited, same with the wii, with only MS having a large selection availible. On the ps3 its pretty much all about oblivian, resistance, mortorstorm, and ninja gaiden. on the wii, Zeldas been pretty much the only must have. In the near future, you have quite a few sony titles comming, with only metroid this fall on the wii and brawl this december.
Honestly hwo the wii's selling i'm not sure, doesn't have a library, and doesn't look like a hit filled fall for it, outside a few titles. In all honesty 360 should be outselling it, no clue why its not. I'd wadger price has to do with it, combined with MS's horrible reputation.
MGS i'll give you, but the ratio seems to be about 5/1 with about 5 hours of gameplay per hour of movie in mgs, with FF's being about 30/1, with 30 hours of game per 1 of fmv. Of course in an rpg, you also have to consider if text scrolling or non-interactive story elements count as a movie or a game. Take FF8 for example. Boasted over an hour of FMV. People said it was an interactive movie, yet my gameplay clocked in at about 65 hours first playthough, and thats leavign out stuff like the card card sidequest. FFx's wasn't much different from that.
Movies died on UMD because well, gamers don't buy titles like fried green tomatoes. Toss in the fact no one else built a umd player and it was doomed as a media format.
Ah, considering alot of those "unreleased" games were featured in hands on demos to the press the last few months, including KZ2 which was played at E3 in real time, i'd say you more likely work for MS or Nintendo than Sony.
Paper mario was a platformer that tried to play like an RPG, but was too chatty to be one and too lacking in options to be the other. Toss in the boring 3d landscapes that seemed like an afterthought, and secondary characters, items, etc, that never really get used and well, it falls flat. I should know, I own it.
All sony did was show a ton of games and their online Home platform.
They need to get burners out to developers, but I could care less for one my self. mini-dvd's are cheep and pretty useful. Mini-blu-ray woudl be neat, but i'm not sure it woudl fly, as it woudl be yet another format for movies and such. Once blu-ray gets to the price that cd/dvd's are at, we might see something like that hit.
Wii has rpgs? How a few, but not really enough to make it worth while. Sony's got quite a few with folklore, FF, white knight, and others. those three again, look and sound great thusfar.
Nintendo is lacking in games that actualy play worth a damn. I blame "gesture based controls" and lack of creative design. If its a port, it plays better on another system. If its original, its usually a rental at best. Again, all these months since launch and still nothing has proven worth the $50 cost. Everything seem to ether look bad, play bad, or have a bad design.
Mascot games annoy me. ITs riding on the past and character recognition to sell a new idea, instead of creating new ip's for it. Sony has nearly always created a new ip when it gets into a new genre, nintendo rehashes a setting or character a hundred times. Imagine if a movie company did this. You'd see every film with the same actors playing the same characters in different settings. Woudl you stand for it then? Then why stand for it here? Core gameplay is usually pretty simplistic these days for nintendo, which brings up the concern that most of their first party wii games suffer from: no replayability or depth to the game. Everything is shovelware from them these days, with too few exceptions.
I guess thats the core of my complaints, ninteno is just unoriginal, lacks in the games department, and hasn't produced anything worth owning thusfar. I will not settle for medeocracy in gaming from nintendo. They should be better than that, but sadly, it seems they aren't. Sony and MS may be average, but average is better than awful.
Nintendo is just a gaming company? Ah, they make insane money from non gaming stuff, like movies, cardgames, TV shows, etc. Not to mention by farming out their own games to other developers to save costs. I don't think sony's been over promoting the ps3's non gaming functions. We see soe blu-ray movie playback, but most people don't know about the rest of the functions, usualy upgradability, etc. at its core, its still a game machine, as every peice of hardware in it is designed for that purpose. The blu-ray you can argue about, but people said the same thing about DVD in the ps2 back in the day. As for the wii functions? I've seen ads promting the photo/mii/weather, etc. Toss in the fact that most of their games thusfar have been lackluster, with only Zelda, a port, being a worthy buy. Everything else is party shoevelware thats forgotten, or saddled with bad controls. Mines been collecting dust since December and shows no signs of use anytime soon. Smash brothers looks nice, but i'd like more than one game to play on it for the rest of the year. Give me something thats not a sequal or a mascot game and we'll talk. Meanwhile, I look at sony and see a slew of new Ip's fromt heir core developement teams, like resistance, Heavenly sword, Drake, 8 days, lair, motorstorm, etc. Besides a few thri party games, alot of what they are making is original stuff that looks stellar. Even their few sequals look better than nintendos, like the new Rachet and Clank game. And yet people say nintendo are the original ones. This boggles the mind. Nintendo basically screws us over on all gameing functions, genres, usuability, features, online, and more, yet are reqarded with stellar sales and an unbashable company image. Even MS, hardware problems aside, is doing better in the games area than nintendo these days. Honestly, they should be in first place this gen, with sony behind, and nintendo dead in it's tracks.
What online offering? They have some of their backcatalog up via VC, but alots of thats games we played 20 years ago that are easy ports. The downside is you can't play these off a memory card, and you have to buy additional hardware in the form of a GCN or classic controller to play alot of them. Not to mention you can only have so many active channels, max of 50, which may make things hairy in the future. Toss in the total lack of any worthwhile online play of any sort, and i'd say Sony's got the leg up on them here.
7) They arrive on earth to find it at the very start of the great crusade. Forced into the Imperial Navy, they turn around and pursue the cylons back to their homeworld. Defining moments are when Adama orders the Exterminatus against the cylon homeworld and when a human cylon craps a brick at seeing a space marine with a chainsword. After all, you could always say that the cylons had been worshiping the void dragon or the Machine god in the end.
Well yeah, Nintendo is pushing it as the console of the bejewelled player. The wii thrives on cheep, easy games that are simple to play. Attracts a lot of new gamers, but the older ones are left out as a result. Motion controls, as the wii has it's set up, just don't work for a lot of genres, but they are great for point and click games and ones that only require motion to control, like golf. Everything else its stuck with a bad control scheme. The result? Formally mainstream genres become unplayable on the console. Not to mention, the lack of power makes the grand epics we see in the future of the PC, ps3, and 360 platforms near impossible. It just doesn't have what it takes to bring such games to light in the way the others can. Its like limiting a movie director to 8mm film, where as the other studios are letting them go hog wild with 32mm and digital stock. Sure you can make some great stuff, but the limitation is obvious. I've had a wii since release and well, it's novelty has worn on me. The two greatest games are ports form a previous generation. The controls on most games are horrid and graphics and sound seem washed out. It's pretty much the home console built for people who spend time on thousand dollar pc's playing java games. These aren't the people who run out and buy half life 2 or the like. What I fear is the wii's influence on the industry. I don't want to see the end of the epic game due to the profitability of the simple mini-game. It was that style of game design that caused the industry crash, and kept video games are child's toys for decades. Nintendo is making insane amounts of money by basically selling the TV console version of a gameboy. Gameboys rarely, if ever, produced any sort of epic game. The majority are simple junk thats really isn't worth playing in the long run. As for how they make so much money? They avoid costs. No online setups, no support for advanced audio or video options, outdated or barely acceptable hardware, and farming out main franchises to second or third parties. This lets them avoid all the sought after, but costly, expenses you see Sony or MS endure. But because of Nintendo's following, they can never be seen in a bad light. They can literally do no wrong in the eyes of most people. If Sony or MS had made the same design decisions, they woudl be bashed to hell and back. After all, didn't we bash sony for months over Ps3 spec's, yet have forever remained silent that Nintendo never released any wii specs? So really, the core of the matter is the wii is the home gameboy, with all the same limitations, and with largely the same audience in target. Frankly, I just don't see why thats a good thing.
Did he just say "extremely politically sophisticated"? Is this guy connected tot he same net as the rest of us?
What makes you think those things are proof of intellgence? For all you know, the Ape might consider itself intellegent because of the exact opposite reasons.
Somepeople don't like to pay money each month so a group of lowlifes can kill your toon 30 times a day while you try to grind or complete a quest. Greiefing pretty much destroyed EQOA, and makes alot of other mmorpgs a chore rather than a fun experience. Personaly, I say throw the book at them. If a persons out there killing/hurrassing people just because they can, I'd have they account canceled, their IP adress and CC banned, and their toon publically exicuted before the other players.
Probabaly in the same location as my socks.
Maby we'll get lucky and some Ex-Cavedog folks are restarting Amen: The Awakening. That game had so much potential, and had an interesting enough story that it could have rocked. Its a shame cavedog scraped it when they hit finacial woes. If I had the money and the talent, i'd pick up the rights to it, get ahold of all cavedog's concept art/storyboards/etc and make the game a realty.