Would it not be of vital importance that they be a member of this group? [of MS]
This is an industry lobby group, not a government committee. Whoever forms the group can decide who joins the fun. In politics, lobby groups are purely about promoting their own interests. They are not about putting together a fair cross section of the industry.
If this was a government hearing on cyber security, then yes MS should be invited to the party as they are a big player. But...its not.
Sun would not be able to incorporate changes made under the GPL into their corporate version
I call bullshit on this. If Sun released a GPL'ed version of Java, as they own the copyright to it, they can include whatever changes they made in their GPL'ed version into their own commercial version. On top of that, as they own the copyright to the name "Java", they could set the standards (as they already do) where if implementations did not conform to their standard, then the implementations could not be called "Java".
The real danger, which until now fortunately has been avoided, is when developers are presented with the choice of either having to open their source code when using the GPL Java, or paying Sun a fee for using the commercial Java. How can this be considered more "free" than the current situation where you can do what you please with your own software? If you want to GPL your software, go ahead. If you want to keep it closed, you are free to do so.
Currently as far as I understand you can implement Java any way you wish, as long as it conforms to Sun's standards. Isnt this what the OSS community has been calling for? Open standards? This appears to present us with both the advantages of OSS and commercial software. A central controlling body for the standard, with the openness to implement how anyone sees fit.
The core system does a lot, but the real usefulness of the GIMP (at least for professional folks) lies in that they can write up a perl script to accomplish any damn thing they can think of. Of course, you can write C plugins as well.
Unfortunately until graphics artists learn Perl or C, which is not likely to happen...ever, this will not exactly be a good selling point for them. Its a bit like trying to convince them they should be using Linux instead of a Mac because they can view the source code. They make their money from designing graphic art, not coding.
and if the majority says something should be legal or illegal, then so be it
So under Nazi Gemany, as most people there supported Hitler, by your logic what he did was actually quite ok. Or is your logic more along the lines of: if the majority of people want something and it affects someone else then its OK, but if it affects me then its not?
You did not address his point. A small business person does not have hundreds of employees by definition. Someone with maybe one or two employees cannot afford a dedicated DBA just so their database can be normalized. I suppose they also should have on staff a dedicated sys admin as well, as their network will be a kludge? For a very small business which is just breaking even, Access gives them the opportunity to get a simple database up and running for their basic purposes. Once they have the money to hire a hundred employees, then chances are they need to upgrade to something bigger and more reliable than Access anyway.
I take it that you have never run a small business yourself. You need a damn good reason for each cent spent, and hiring a DBA (even a uni student) to design / administer your database is just not worth the money spent when a cheap kludge can be developed
Im not addressing this exact example, but quite often when something goes against a company the share price will actually rise instead of the expected fall. This is quite often due to the market pricing in the bad news into the share price.
Take your above example about Ford brakes failing. When the rumour of Ford brakes failing first comes out is when the price will fall, as the market prices it in. Then when its confirmed, the market has already expected this news, so its nothing out of the ordinary. If for example it was suspected the Ford brakes also failed in hot weather as well, the price would rise upon finding they only failed in snow, as it is less negative than what the market expected, and so in a way is positive news.
To bring this back to MSFT, maybe the market has grown to expect security holes in their products, and so this is nothing out of the ordinary and it is business as usual?
When I go into a computer store all the clerks swarm to help the poor, defenseless, dumb girl buy expensive things for her computer
When I walk into a store, Im surrounded by clerks who want to sell me the most expensive product too, and Im male. Believe it or not, thats what they do.
On a bus do you get annoyed when people stand up for you because youre a female, but then get annoyed if they dont stand up because they should know that you may be in that time of the month and they should somehow know this?
I hope that chip on your shoulder is salt and vinegar...those are yummy!
They used a woman so that the attendees did not need to bring their own deoderant to freshen up the room. If they had brought an RMS clone, the lack of showers would have made the room smell. That is not a good way to sell a product. It also would have solved the issue of the flies that tend to accompany kernel hackers wherever they go
I cannot stress this enough. If you want to try to sell GNU/Linux, potential customers do NOT want to be swarmed by flies! This can be worked around by surrounding the demonstrator with a mosquito net, but it really is much easier just to get a sexy woman giving the demo
If Linus had a group of sexy women hacking the kernel with him, as opposed to unwashed, unshaven academics, the whole world would be using Linux now!
Put on 2 demonstrations in a workplace. In the first, get an attractive woman to give the Linux demo, hand out Linux T-shirts. Focus the demo on the usefulness of Linux and how it is free (as in beer).
In the second demo, get an RMS clone to hold an installfest for the attendees personal computers. Focus the discussion on how you can hack the kernel, and how Linux is free (as in speech)
Take a random sample of the workplace, send half to the first, half to the second and see which group will welcome a migration to Linux in their workplace and which will be scared off thinking that its too hard. I bet that the first group will come out thinking its a great idea, the second will think that its a step backwards.
MS has shown us that its all about marketing. No matter what the quality of the product you are selling, if its marketed well people will believe that it is the best thing since sliced bread
Maybe I need to take another course in propositional calculus but I'm fairly certain that article is saying that creating UNIX or C was the technological and moral equivalent of robbing a bank.
Looks like you need another course in logic
Its a list of people who have done something out of the ordinary using computer technology.
Lets put it a different way. Lets chose a list of people who did something of note during World War II. Names that come to mind: Churchill, Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin, Rommel, Montgomery, Patton. Following your logic, these people all have items of note during a specific time period in common, therefore they are all morally equivalent.
Put in Java terms. A.X == B.X does not necessarily mean A.Y == B.Y
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If you could understand some humour, he said "handed" on purpose...it was done to emphasise the point
Maybe theres a reason for the name?
The developers changed the BSOD to the Matrix screen
Not I
We all know Longhorn is practically finished. Its just that it is going to come bundled with Duke Nukem Forever...thats what the holdup is!
This is an industry lobby group, not a government committee. Whoever forms the group can decide who joins the fun. In politics, lobby groups are purely about promoting their own interests. They are not about putting together a fair cross section of the industry.
If this was a government hearing on cyber security, then yes MS should be invited to the party as they are a big player. But...its not.
I call bullshit on this. If Sun released a GPL'ed version of Java, as they own the copyright to it, they can include whatever changes they made in their GPL'ed version into their own commercial version. On top of that, as they own the copyright to the name "Java", they could set the standards (as they already do) where if implementations did not conform to their standard, then the implementations could not be called "Java".
The real danger, which until now fortunately has been avoided, is when developers are presented with the choice of either having to open their source code when using the GPL Java, or paying Sun a fee for using the commercial Java. How can this be considered more "free" than the current situation where you can do what you please with your own software? If you want to GPL your software, go ahead. If you want to keep it closed, you are free to do so.
Currently as far as I understand you can implement Java any way you wish, as long as it conforms to Sun's standards. Isnt this what the OSS community has been calling for? Open standards? This appears to present us with both the advantages of OSS and commercial software. A central controlling body for the standard, with the openness to implement how anyone sees fit.
Unfortunately until graphics artists learn Perl or C, which is not likely to happen...ever, this will not exactly be a good selling point for them. Its a bit like trying to convince them they should be using Linux instead of a Mac because they can view the source code. They make their money from designing graphic art, not coding.
So under Nazi Gemany, as most people there supported Hitler, by your logic what he did was actually quite ok. Or is your logic more along the lines of: if the majority of people want something and it affects someone else then its OK, but if it affects me then its not?
In Soviet Russia YOU sue the RIAA!
:)
Or..
1. Get sued by the RIAA
2. ???
3. Profit!!!
Sorry, couldnt help it!
You forgot the flies. I really cant stress enough that flies will drive your customers away.
Now if the Linux tech turned up with insect repellant, then maybe he could be allowed to work in some closed room out of sight.
Now a Mac tech on the other hand...your customers will be wanting to come back just to see your sexy computers, but theyll just swoon over the tech.
And you dont need to keep spare insect repellant and deoderant around the place either.
New monoculture?
.......
We will have Debian, Gentoo, Red Hat, Mandrake, Slackware, Suse,
Are you from MS, the FBI or just a troll?
Either way, you know that if anyone posts disagreeing with you, then you have proof that they looked at the code.
If the code is so brilliant, why are there so many holes in it MS boy? Wouldnt your time be better spent coding a decent OS for once?
Now if the Linux source was leaked, that may actually be worth something...oh wait...it already is!
The parent talked about a small business.
You did not address his point. A small business person does not have hundreds of employees by definition. Someone with maybe one or two employees cannot afford a dedicated DBA just so their database can be normalized. I suppose they also should have on staff a dedicated sys admin as well, as their network will be a kludge? For a very small business which is just breaking even, Access gives them the opportunity to get a simple database up and running for their basic purposes. Once they have the money to hire a hundred employees, then chances are they need to upgrade to something bigger and more reliable than Access anyway.
I take it that you have never run a small business yourself. You need a damn good reason for each cent spent, and hiring a DBA (even a uni student) to design / administer your database is just not worth the money spent when a cheap kludge can be developed
From the Mythica site
There will be no patch writing for those poor souls
A troll??
You have got to be f*cking kidding me right?
If its the link...if you had bothered to have a look it was an href=# link...the [goatse] TEXT was added for humor value.
Link to Sydney Morning Herald article, titled Windows Source Code Leaked
patenting Microsoft overlords.
XML is dying.
Imagine what would happen if SCO found some of their IP in XML.
IANAL but I cant see how they can do this.
click here [goatse] to view the patent.
for those of us who count in binary.
Im not addressing this exact example, but quite often when something goes against a company the share price will actually rise instead of the expected fall. This is quite often due to the market pricing in the bad news into the share price.
Take your above example about Ford brakes failing. When the rumour of Ford brakes failing first comes out is when the price will fall, as the market prices it in. Then when its confirmed, the market has already expected this news, so its nothing out of the ordinary. If for example it was suspected the Ford brakes also failed in hot weather as well, the price would rise upon finding they only failed in snow, as it is less negative than what the market expected, and so in a way is positive news.
To bring this back to MSFT, maybe the market has grown to expect security holes in their products, and so this is nothing out of the ordinary and it is business as usual?
When I walk into a store, Im surrounded by clerks who want to sell me the most expensive product too, and Im male. Believe it or not, thats what they do.
On a bus do you get annoyed when people stand up for you because youre a female, but then get annoyed if they dont stand up because they should know that you may be in that time of the month and they should somehow know this?
I hope that chip on your shoulder is salt and vinegar...those are yummy!
They used a woman so that the attendees did not need to bring their own deoderant to freshen up the room. If they had brought an RMS clone, the lack of showers would have made the room smell. That is not a good way to sell a product. It also would have solved the issue of the flies that tend to accompany kernel hackers wherever they go
I cannot stress this enough. If you want to try to sell GNU/Linux, potential customers do NOT want to be swarmed by flies! This can be worked around by surrounding the demonstrator with a mosquito net, but it really is much easier just to get a sexy woman giving the demo
If Linus had a group of sexy women hacking the kernel with him, as opposed to unwashed, unshaven academics, the whole world would be using Linux now!
Taking this a bit further
Put on 2 demonstrations in a workplace. In the first, get an attractive woman to give the Linux demo, hand out Linux T-shirts. Focus the demo on the usefulness of Linux and how it is free (as in beer).
In the second demo, get an RMS clone to hold an installfest for the attendees personal computers. Focus the discussion on how you can hack the kernel, and how Linux is free (as in speech)
Take a random sample of the workplace, send half to the first, half to the second and see which group will welcome a migration to Linux in their workplace and which will be scared off thinking that its too hard. I bet that the first group will come out thinking its a great idea, the second will think that its a step backwards.
MS has shown us that its all about marketing. No matter what the quality of the product you are selling, if its marketed well people will believe that it is the best thing since sliced bread
Sounds more of a case of who isnt sleeping with who
Looks like you need another course in logic
Its a list of people who have done something out of the ordinary using computer technology.
Lets put it a different way. Lets chose a list of people who did something of note during World War II. Names that come to mind: Churchill, Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin, Rommel, Montgomery, Patton. Following your logic, these people all have items of note during a specific time period in common, therefore they are all morally equivalent.
Put in Java terms. A.X == B.X does not necessarily mean A.Y == B.Y
My PHP's prefer MySQL and Apache
Hate to break this to you, but if youre after Safari 1.2, installing Linux on your G3 isnt going to help you. Or buying a PC for that matter.
If you want the latest browser for your Mac without having to pay anyone, ever heard of Mozilla? It will work on 10.1
Just out of curiosity, what hardware are you running on?