Please tell me how Windows is a balance between proprietary and non-propreitary. The Mac OS X core at least is open source. Nothing Microsoft is open source, half the time they dont even follow recognised standards.The hardware is a different matter.
So it comes down to Apple: balance in software, closed hardware or Win: closed software, balance in hardware. As for price, really there is not too much difference for a new box. Compare a new Dell / IBM / whatever to a similarly speced Mac and youll find the price differences are minimal.
I would put forward that Novell would not have bought into SuSe if they had any doubt about the claims of SCO. I think we can now all safely assume that SCO doesnt have a leg to stand on (not that we didnt know that already).
Just a thought about why the development is taking so long and why M$ are moving towards.Net
Could it be possible that they are going to dump their underlying kernel altogether and incorporate a BSD kernel? This would explain why the development is taking a very long time, and also explain why they are trying to move everyone over to.Net well before Longhorn is released.
Look, this guy did something stupid and got fired for it. End of story. Why should we pay him for it? Hey...Ive got a good idea. Ill go through the shared drives at my place of work (could be described as an unpopular telco, along the ilk of M$) and post up all the private memos on the web. When I get fired for it, Ill set up a PayPal account and everyone will give me money for it because "the company got what it deserved and had no right to fire me". Stupidity
Youre missing a very big point. Lets say that suddenly a project he is coding for has pictures of the source code leaked. Guess what happens. He HAS TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE as he has been seen walking around taking snaps with a digital camera.
We are talking about a full blown industrial espionage case against him by MS, not just him getting the sack, and justifiably so.
When you finally get a real job as opposed to working at McDonalds and showing off to your friends how 1337 you are cause everything Windoze sux0r5 and your b0x3n runs nix, you will shortly learn that no company (whether MS, Red Hat, Apple or whoever) tolerates people walking around their offices taking pictures of whatever they feel like. And justifiably so. Its THEIR property.
In real world employment contracts (not school holidays casual employment here that you seem to be familiar with) you normally have a clause not to disclose company information without consent - generally some form of NDA. What happens on their property is company information. You have no right to disclose it to anybody. Period.
Disclaimer: I am not a M$ fan by any stretch of the imagination and despise most of what they stand for, but in this case what they did was totally justifiable and quite honestly was in the best interest of the said employee.
This all brings about the interesting question of which distro they will use:
Gentoo: they would have the best weapons platform imaginable, but it would be functional only 1 week every month, the rest of the time would be spent compiling
Debian: they would have the most stable / reliable system, however instead of being compatible with Stryker, it would only be compatible with a WW2 Sherman, as this is the only piece of machinery certified as stable
Red Hat: they would have a fine piece of equipment, until they tried upgrading, then realised they also needed to upgrade their helmets. Upon upgrading their helmets they would realise that the new helmets would not work with their rifles. Upon upgrading rifles they realise that the new rifles are a version too high for their computers.
LFS: Each soldier must get a university degree in computer science before being allowed near the equipment.
GNU / Hurd: Soldier: "FIRE" Computer: "I cannot until you say GNU/Fire" Soldier: "OK, GNU/Fire at the enemy behind the building" Computer: "I cannot until you GNU/say GNU/Fire at GNU/the GNU/enemy behind GNU/the GNU/building...GNU"
I couldnt agree more with this post. In open source in general there are WAY too many different versions of everything. OK, I convince an average user to use Mozilla, so they go to get Mozilla and.....which Mozilla do they get? They couldnt care less about learning the differences, it will be considered too much trouble and they will go back to IE because its simple.
If you have a well known product, KEEP THE NAME THE SAME! If there are significant differences, call it something like Mozilla - Accelerated Edition or Mozilla - Basic Edition. At least people will recognize the brand. Take Windows. Version 3.11 and XP are TOTALLY different products, yet M$ keeps the name the same. Why? Because PEOPLE RECOGNISE IT! They only have to sell the name Windows.
I am approaching this with small / medium business experience, Im sure things are different at enterprise level.
If a business already has hardware in place, agreed upgrading to Apple would be plain stupid to say the least. However, lets say they need a new server, then I would start thinking a Mac server.
If I were to recommend hardware / software starting from nothing, then it is very hard to recommend anything but Mac. Lets not forget, the computers are there for the workers TO BE PRODUCTIVE, not because they want to learn the intricacies of Unix sysadmin. And comparing desktop boxen, the lower end Macs are roughly the same price as a lower end Dell, but with a lot more punch.
I'm not sure why free software has not supplanted Windoze yet.
Because its NOT easier to use. Average mum/dad users do not want to learn the command line any more than most 1337 geeks want to learn how to repair their cars engines. They want something simple where they just log in at most and everything works.
At the moment GNU/Linux is nowhere near that stage. Buy a piece of hardware, it depends on what distro you run as to how you install it. Hey, maybe you even have to install a kernel module or possibly even recompile the kernel. Ask for help and receive a RTFM reply. Until things are brought up to the stage where things Just Work(tm) it will never catch up.
Now...OS X is another matter:-)
Apple has already released a Windoze killer, its just that nobody in the Linux community will admit to this:/
In its current form there are no Linux distros anywhere near good enough for the home desktop market. Why dont we turn our attention to beating the enemy first and then sort out our differences later. Red Hat have a great server OS, Apple have one for the desktop. Combine the 2 and it is impossible to beat. (Well, possibly by a farm of G5's;) )
Just my $0.95 worth.
Putting GNU/Linux on your resume would probably just confuse the HR person doing the initial scan of resumes
As opposed to putting down Gentoo or Debian, because the HR person really knows what they are? Even saying Red Hat would confuse most of the front line HR people. So how far do we take it? If you say you know PHP or Perl chances are they havent heard of that either. Forget even thinking of putting Python/Tcl/Apache etc.
I dont know about you, but the vast majority of HR people that I have dealt with do know at least their terminology fairly well. And the ones who dont I have found to be next to useless anyway, thinking that MCSE makes you some kind of guru.
Saying GNU/Linux simply means you say what RMS tells you to say
He is entitled to his opinion, and I am entitled to call it GNU/Linux if I so wish. I am not doing it because he told me to, I am doing it because I feel he is entitled to be recognized for the VAST contribution he has made to open / free software.
How about we call the OS GNU and dont recognize Linus? How would anyone feel about that? That would be very disrespectful for all Linus' hard work, just like omitting GNU is very disrespectful to RMS for all the hard work HE has put in. Let us not forget he has been working on the open / free software project for much longer than Linus has (no disrespect to Linus efforts intended).
I think this just proves it. Apple have come out with a product that is fast, scalable, USER FRIENDLY, secure and robust.
Seriously, how can anybody claim that GNU/Linux is good for the average Joe end user?
Oh...but the end user should have to know how to configure a firewall, compile a kernel and be able to write scripts to automate downloading pr0n. And if they dont then theyre just stupid idiots because were just so 1337.
Get over yourselves. Mac has come out with a SUPERIOR product. It is where all you zealots dream of taking Linux, except they are THERE. They will conquer on the desktop AND server market.
In the not too distant past I had a problem with a M$ product (no, really, honest, I did!). Received a bizarre error code while installing Win 2k. Went to the ms knowledge base to find an answer, nothing. Called M$ tech support - "go read the knowledge base". Thought maybe I had missed something. Nope...nothing there relating to this error code. Called back to tell them that there was no such error code / message in the knowledge base - reply "go read the knowledge base".."but...its not there"..."go read the knowledge base":/
Yes, GREAT accountability towards paying customers!
Lets clear one thing up, just because someone is critical of George W doesnt mean they think the sun shines out of Bill Clintons arse. I couldnt care less which party wins in the USA, as I (fortunately) dont live there (yes, believe it or not most of the world is not "jelous" of the American way of life).
For all I care Arnie could run the country.
Before changing history, lets get some things straight. Iraqi military officers did a fair bit of training in the UK, the USA's biggest supporter in this whole affair. US advisors were present giving advice in the Iraq / Iran war.
And before the sanctions, Iraq was actually the most developed Arab nation. As much as Saddam was a tyrant and murderer, distorting the facts achieves nothing. If the USA was so concerned about human rights and not about WMD, why did it take 10 years after Gulf War I to invade?
The USA has done some admirable things in the past, the handling of Iraq is certainly not one of them.
Interesting. America supported 30 of those 40 years of misery caused by a total madman but you seem to have forgotten that. Donald Rumsfeld was over in Iraq shaking Saddams hands at the same time he was gassing the Kurds. And who were the Americans actively supporting in the Iraq - Iran war? Now they dont have to worry about Saddam, they only have to worry about getting shot by trigger happy US troops at checkpoints who were too stupid to put up stop signs in Arabic. So keep on bashing the french, after all you have such a moral high ground to look down from.
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Please tell me how Windows is a balance between proprietary and non-propreitary. The Mac OS X core at least is open source. Nothing Microsoft is open source, half the time they dont even follow recognised standards.The hardware is a different matter.
So it comes down to Apple: balance in software, closed hardware or Win: closed software, balance in hardware. As for price, really there is not too much difference for a new box. Compare a new Dell / IBM / whatever to a similarly speced Mac and youll find the price differences are minimal.
I would put forward that Novell would not have bought into SuSe if they had any doubt about the claims of SCO. I think we can now all safely assume that SCO doesnt have a leg to stand on (not that we didnt know that already).
All this guy does is make posts saying we should start speaking lojban and use a hexadecimal number system
I rest my case, the poster AND the post are both jokes. To take either of them seriously is actually quite sad.
I suspect the parent was a joke...you know....ha ha? Get a life
10010010010010010001101000010
Now those are real numbers!
Just a thought about why the development is taking so long and why M$ are moving towards .Net .Net well before Longhorn is released.
Could it be possible that they are going to dump their underlying kernel altogether and incorporate a BSD kernel? This would explain why the development is taking a very long time, and also explain why they are trying to move everyone over to
Look, this guy did something stupid and got fired for it. End of story. Why should we pay him for it? Hey...Ive got a good idea. Ill go through the shared drives at my place of work (could be described as an unpopular telco, along the ilk of M$) and post up all the private memos on the web. When I get fired for it, Ill set up a PayPal account and everyone will give me money for it because "the company got what it deserved and had no right to fire me". Stupidity
Youre missing a very big point. Lets say that suddenly a project he is coding for has pictures of the source code leaked. Guess what happens. He HAS TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE as he has been seen walking around taking snaps with a digital camera.
We are talking about a full blown industrial espionage case against him by MS, not just him getting the sack, and justifiably so.
When you finally get a real job as opposed to working at McDonalds and showing off to your friends how 1337 you are cause everything Windoze sux0r5 and your b0x3n runs nix, you will shortly learn that no company (whether MS, Red Hat, Apple or whoever) tolerates people walking around their offices taking pictures of whatever they feel like. And justifiably so. Its THEIR property.
In real world employment contracts (not school holidays casual employment here that you seem to be familiar with) you normally have a clause not to disclose company information without consent - generally some form of NDA. What happens on their property is company information. You have no right to disclose it to anybody. Period.
Disclaimer: I am not a M$ fan by any stretch of the imagination and despise most of what they stand for, but in this case what they did was totally justifiable and quite honestly was in the best interest of the said employee.
Gentoo: they would have the best weapons platform imaginable, but it would be functional only 1 week every month, the rest of the time would be spent compiling
Debian: they would have the most stable / reliable system, however instead of being compatible with Stryker, it would only be compatible with a WW2 Sherman, as this is the only piece of machinery certified as stable
Red Hat: they would have a fine piece of equipment, until they tried upgrading, then realised they also needed to upgrade their helmets. Upon upgrading their helmets they would realise that the new helmets would not work with their rifles. Upon upgrading rifles they realise that the new rifles are a version too high for their computers.
LFS: Each soldier must get a university degree in computer science before being allowed near the equipment.
GNU / Hurd: Soldier: "FIRE" Computer: "I cannot until you say GNU/Fire" Soldier: "OK, GNU/Fire at the enemy behind the building" Computer: "I cannot until you GNU/say GNU/Fire at GNU/the GNU/enemy behind GNU/the GNU/building...GNU"
I couldnt agree more with this post. In open source in general there are WAY too many different versions of everything. OK, I convince an average user to use Mozilla, so they go to get Mozilla and.....which Mozilla do they get? They couldnt care less about learning the differences, it will be considered too much trouble and they will go back to IE because its simple.
If you have a well known product, KEEP THE NAME THE SAME! If there are significant differences, call it something like Mozilla - Accelerated Edition or Mozilla - Basic Edition. At least people will recognize the brand. Take Windows. Version 3.11 and XP are TOTALLY different products, yet M$ keeps the name the same. Why? Because PEOPLE RECOGNISE IT! They only have to sell the name Windows.
I am approaching this with small / medium business experience, Im sure things are different at enterprise level.
If a business already has hardware in place, agreed upgrading to Apple would be plain stupid to say the least. However, lets say they need a new server, then I would start thinking a Mac server.
If I were to recommend hardware / software starting from nothing, then it is very hard to recommend anything but Mac. Lets not forget, the computers are there for the workers TO BE PRODUCTIVE, not because they want to learn the intricacies of Unix sysadmin. And comparing desktop boxen, the lower end Macs are roughly the same price as a lower end Dell, but with a lot more punch.
I'm not sure why free software has not supplanted Windoze yet. Because its NOT easier to use. Average mum/dad users do not want to learn the command line any more than most 1337 geeks want to learn how to repair their cars engines. They want something simple where they just log in at most and everything works. At the moment GNU/Linux is nowhere near that stage. Buy a piece of hardware, it depends on what distro you run as to how you install it. Hey, maybe you even have to install a kernel module or possibly even recompile the kernel. Ask for help and receive a RTFM reply. Until things are brought up to the stage where things Just Work(tm) it will never catch up. Now...OS X is another matter :-)
Apple has already released a Windoze killer, its just that nobody in the Linux community will admit to this :/
In its current form there are no Linux distros anywhere near good enough for the home desktop market. Why dont we turn our attention to beating the enemy first and then sort out our differences later. Red Hat have a great server OS, Apple have one for the desktop. Combine the 2 and it is impossible to beat. (Well, possibly by a farm of G5's ;) )
Just my $0.95 worth.
Putting GNU/Linux on your resume would probably just confuse the HR person doing the initial scan of resumes As opposed to putting down Gentoo or Debian, because the HR person really knows what they are? Even saying Red Hat would confuse most of the front line HR people. So how far do we take it? If you say you know PHP or Perl chances are they havent heard of that either. Forget even thinking of putting Python/Tcl/Apache etc. I dont know about you, but the vast majority of HR people that I have dealt with do know at least their terminology fairly well. And the ones who dont I have found to be next to useless anyway, thinking that MCSE makes you some kind of guru. Saying GNU/Linux simply means you say what RMS tells you to say He is entitled to his opinion, and I am entitled to call it GNU/Linux if I so wish. I am not doing it because he told me to, I am doing it because I feel he is entitled to be recognized for the VAST contribution he has made to open / free software. How about we call the OS GNU and dont recognize Linus? How would anyone feel about that? That would be very disrespectful for all Linus' hard work, just like omitting GNU is very disrespectful to RMS for all the hard work HE has put in. Let us not forget he has been working on the open / free software project for much longer than Linus has (no disrespect to Linus efforts intended).
I think this just proves it. Apple have come out with a product that is fast, scalable, USER FRIENDLY, secure and robust. Seriously, how can anybody claim that GNU/Linux is good for the average Joe end user? Oh...but the end user should have to know how to configure a firewall, compile a kernel and be able to write scripts to automate downloading pr0n. And if they dont then theyre just stupid idiots because were just so 1337. Get over yourselves. Mac has come out with a SUPERIOR product. It is where all you zealots dream of taking Linux, except they are THERE. They will conquer on the desktop AND server market.
I think the reporter would be more interested in enjoying his last few hours than chasing second opinions on this one :)
Who is Tony Renna anyway?
Check on their resume if they put "GNU/Linux" instead of Linux.
In the not too distant past I had a problem with a M$ product (no, really, honest, I did!). Received a bizarre error code while installing Win 2k. Went to the ms knowledge base to find an answer, nothing. Called M$ tech support - "go read the knowledge base". Thought maybe I had missed something. Nope...nothing there relating to this error code. Called back to tell them that there was no such error code / message in the knowledge base - reply "go read the knowledge base" .."but...its not there"..."go read the knowledge base" :/
Yes, GREAT accountability towards paying customers!
Everyone has emotional baggage, mine was just stolen by me ex :)
Didnt you know its unpatriotic to use AC when posting to /. ? :-)
Lets clear one thing up, just because someone is critical of George W doesnt mean they think the sun shines out of Bill Clintons arse. I couldnt care less which party wins in the USA, as I (fortunately) dont live there (yes, believe it or not most of the world is not "jelous" of the American way of life). For all I care Arnie could run the country.
soul searching? intimate? friendship? Emotional baggage? Youre not a guy are you? :)
Before changing history, lets get some things straight. Iraqi military officers did a fair bit of training in the UK, the USA's biggest supporter in this whole affair. US advisors were present giving advice in the Iraq / Iran war. And before the sanctions, Iraq was actually the most developed Arab nation. As much as Saddam was a tyrant and murderer, distorting the facts achieves nothing. If the USA was so concerned about human rights and not about WMD, why did it take 10 years after Gulf War I to invade? The USA has done some admirable things in the past, the handling of Iraq is certainly not one of them.
Interesting. America supported 30 of those 40 years of misery caused by a total madman but you seem to have forgotten that. Donald Rumsfeld was over in Iraq shaking Saddams hands at the same time he was gassing the Kurds. And who were the Americans actively supporting in the Iraq - Iran war?
Now they dont have to worry about Saddam, they only have to worry about getting shot by trigger happy US troops at checkpoints who were too stupid to put up stop signs in Arabic.
So keep on bashing the french, after all you have such a moral high ground to look down from.