Re:Where did this BSD is dead / dying thing start?
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OK, so a simple, innocent question about BSD history / free software politics actually is totally off-topic on an article about BSD. OK mods...what article should I attach this question to? Believe it or not some of us are actually curious about where this all started.
Hey..I know...Ill make up a smart arse SCO comment about BSD..then Ill get modded +5 funny even though it has nothing to do with BSD at all.
Where did this BSD is dead / dying thing start?
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FreeBSD 5.2 Released
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Not being up to date on open source / free software politics, Im curious where, when and why this anti-bsd thing started?
This is not intended to start a flame war, I am genuinely interested.
4 month using *NIX wantabees asking stupid questions
Must be a great community atmosphere if anyone who wants to learn is treated as stupid and told to rtfm.
One thing I love about gentoo is the community. Newbies are not told to go and rtfm but instead shown the correct way in truly friendly community atmosphere (I believe you are confusing great community atmosphere with exclusive community atmosphere). This is not so much a comment about *bsd (I know very little about *bsd or the community around it) but more about your attitude.
Great to hear that the bill passed, however it would have required more than just support from Greens and Independents, as between them and the Democrats they would make up 3 seats out of 17. Im curious which of the two major parties supported the bill, Liberals or Labor.
I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but the fact the Democrats introduce anything in parliament in Australia is no indication it will pass. In New South Wales at least the Democrats have no lower house seats that I am aware of, so unless one of the major parties also supports the bill, it isnt going anywhere. Similar situation in the other states and territories.
The post is factually correct. The Australian Democrats are currently on a self-created pathway to oblivion.
Honestly though I dont know how many Democrat members there are in the ACT parliament. Maybe enough to make some useful noise?
Of far more interest is which of the major parties support this bill? And has it passed?
lost the potential to make more money, but you did not lose any actual money.
Generally with short selling the broker will make a margin call if the price rises by a certain amount to protect themselves. So if the price of the stock suddenly doubles, expect a call from your broker in the near future asking for a rather sizeable amount. In the case of doubling in value, they will be asking for close to the full amount that you initially shorted. If you dont have the funds immediately (generally they want payment VERY quickly ie. funds clearing in a day or so), youll be closed out and still have to pay whatever is left over.
Saying you will lose money if you sold lower than you bought is correct, but in absolutely no way any different to any other market transaction, and thus incurrs exactly the same risks. If anything as shorting is usually at much higher gearing than normal trading the risks are much greater. If you buy any stock and sell it for less, you will also lose money. And short selling you DO LOSE MONEY if you sell at less than you buy, REAL MONEY. Not just the potential to make money.
In options trading, which I suspect you are thinking of, if you buy a put option and the market moves against you, you still lose the initial amount you paid for the option. There is no such thing as a zero risk investment. If you want something close, buy treasury bonds and hold them to maturity. From there up the risks increase. Short selling is certainly one of the riskier strategies available to investors.
Is it just me, or does Development Penguin look drunk or on drugs? Especially with that flask next to him. As the 2.6 development kernel is named Detox Beaver or something similar, does this tell us something about the kernel developers??
Okay, if hunt around long enough, you will eventually be able to find the free downloadable distributions that these companies hide
Yes, it takes ages to hunt around the Debian site to find "Getting Debian" on the FRONT PAGE. Or "Get Gentoo" on the FRONT PAGE of those sites. How sneaky of them to hide these links so obscurely in the site.
If you get Linux legally on cd in a format that a normal person can install, it costs more than Windows
I bought my Gentoo CD's from the Gentoo store. I did not HAVE to buy the CD's, it would have been perfectly legal for me to download them for free, or get a copy of a friend. Cost: $15US.
Cost of WinXP Home: $199US.
But...I also have AbiWord. Cost: FREE. Gnumeric (which is generally touted as being better than Excel): FREE. MySQL database server: FREE. And you know what, it is all 100% legal!
I totally agree. People should actually go and read / listen to some of his speeches. They present some rather thought provoking points. You do not have to agree with them all, but to criticise the man without actually knowing what he stands for is rather unfair and to be honest rather simple minded.
It also brings up the interesting point of Linus always being put forward as the man behind the free software movement as it stands today. Linus is apolitical and is definitely not the driving force behind free software. RMS has always been championing free software, and it is rather sad that people show no gratitude for what he has accomplished, instead mocking him for his beliefs.
I am in full agreements with your post as a whole. It is just a personal gripe I have developed recently regarding too many people using the term "so-called" when it has no place in the sentence.
I apologise because in this instance, after re-reading the post, I believe that this was one of the very few instances that the term has been used correctly.
This is being a bit pedantic, but either something is Open Source or it isnt. What may I ask is a "so-called" Open Source program? If it is an Open Source program, then it is an Open Source program. If it is not, then call it something else.
"So-called" is a term often used by people to discredit a concept without having to resort to facts. It implies the term referred to is illegitimate and thus the entire concept is illegitimate.
Gates on the other hand can ORDER everyone in his employ to jump around and shout "I'm a little idiot!" and they'll have to do it wether they like it or not.
This is obviously another blatent attempt to attack President Bush on his decision to go into and remove Saddam from power
The article was about a media outlet pulling a story unfavourable to the current administration in the US, not a cheap shot at GWB.
And I always hear this crap about this administration being different to the Bush snr administration. Lets get this straight, unless Donald Rumsfeld has an identical twin, it is the SAME Donald Rumsfeld that was shaking hands with Saddam in the 80s, while he was gassing Kurds / Iranians. Is this the SAME Donald Rumsfeld that is now saying that the US was right in attacking Iraq because Saddam gassed Kurds / Iranians? And the names Cheney and Wolfowitz seem to sound familiar too. I wonder where I remember them from.
And let us see what has changed in the middle east since 98. Yes Al Qaeda brought down the WTC. Thats not the middle east. Basically the political climate pre Iraq invasion was largely the same as the political climate in 98. Same rulers, same factions, same attitudes.
The USA has many good people, unfortunately they are always drowned out by the people who seem to think that their president is faultless. If GWB announced that it was the patriotic thing to bang heads against a brick wall, the hospitals would be filled the next day with fractured skulls.
In AD 2003
War was beginning
Manager: What happen?
Sys Admin: Somebody set us up the router
User: We get page
Manager: What!
User: Main Monitor Turn On
Manager: Its you!
Belkin: How are you gentlemen?
Belkin: All your requests are belong to us
Belkin: You are on the way to destruction
Manager: What you say!!
Belkin: You have no chance to survive make your backup
Belkin: HA HA HA HA...
User: Boss!!
Manager: Take off every 'port'!!
Manager: You know what you doing
Manager: Move port
Manager: For great justice
Hey, how about those hidden racist comments in Perl scripts?
&debug("[$.]: ${_} -> $ent->{$_}");
dark ebony black underground giraffes with some money inside and outside parentheses are sent to entertain for money while shooting arrows at rich quotation marks while winking?
If you use banner blocking software, then obviously you go to sites that use banners for revenue. Understand this: without banners THOSE SITES WOULD NOT EXIST. simple.
The point of ads is that way the sites visitors dont have to pay any money.
If you like the idea of a web without banners, then support sites that dont use banner ads. What? There arent many? Well, maybe that has something to do with the fact that it costs money to run a site. If Im running a site as a hobby and others find it interesting, I may pay a small amount out of my pocket to keep it running. I will not be paying my weekly salary to support the site just because all my viewers do not wish to view ads. So what happens? I take the site down. I really dont care whether you feel its your God given right to view my site. No money, no site. Period.
The problem with the statement was not that he thought Linux was not ready for the average home user (though I dont think the other distros will be particularly happy with that comment). The problem is that he said that average users should use Windows. Why Windows? Why did he not just point out that there are several other OS's out there who offer better desktop alternatives that RED HAT currently offers (IN HIS PERSONAL OPINION). Why actively promote Windows? It is quite unfair on the other distros for him to speak on all of their behalves that desktop users should use Windows
A better comment would have been to say that Linux is maturing at a rapid rate, and to point to Mac OS X as an example of a great Unix based desktop OS to prove that Unix can work on the desktop.
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OK, so a simple, innocent question about BSD history / free software politics actually is totally off-topic on an article about BSD. OK mods...what article should I attach this question to? Believe it or not some of us are actually curious about where this all started.
Hey..I know...Ill make up a smart arse SCO comment about BSD..then Ill get modded +5 funny even though it has nothing to do with BSD at all.
Not being up to date on open source / free software politics, Im curious where, when and why this anti-bsd thing started?
This is not intended to start a flame war, I am genuinely interested.
good community atmosphere
4 month using *NIX wantabees asking stupid questions
Must be a great community atmosphere if anyone who wants to learn is treated as stupid and told to rtfm.
One thing I love about gentoo is the community. Newbies are not told to go and rtfm but instead shown the correct way in truly friendly community atmosphere (I believe you are confusing great community atmosphere with exclusive community atmosphere). This is not so much a comment about *bsd (I know very little about *bsd or the community around it) but more about your attitude.
Great to hear that the bill passed, however it would have required more than just support from Greens and Independents, as between them and the Democrats they would make up 3 seats out of 17. Im curious which of the two major parties supported the bill, Liberals or Labor.
or on the other hand if they share some of that wine around the bill may actually pass!
I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but the fact the Democrats introduce anything in parliament in Australia is no indication it will pass. In New South Wales at least the Democrats have no lower house seats that I am aware of, so unless one of the major parties also supports the bill, it isnt going anywhere. Similar situation in the other states and territories.
The post is factually correct. The Australian Democrats are currently on a self-created pathway to oblivion.
Honestly though I dont know how many Democrat members there are in the ACT parliament. Maybe enough to make some useful noise?
Of far more interest is which of the major parties support this bill? And has it passed?
lost the potential to make more money, but you did not lose any actual money.
Generally with short selling the broker will make a margin call if the price rises by a certain amount to protect themselves. So if the price of the stock suddenly doubles, expect a call from your broker in the near future asking for a rather sizeable amount. In the case of doubling in value, they will be asking for close to the full amount that you initially shorted. If you dont have the funds immediately (generally they want payment VERY quickly ie. funds clearing in a day or so), youll be closed out and still have to pay whatever is left over.
Saying you will lose money if you sold lower than you bought is correct, but in absolutely no way any different to any other market transaction, and thus incurrs exactly the same risks. If anything as shorting is usually at much higher gearing than normal trading the risks are much greater. If you buy any stock and sell it for less, you will also lose money. And short selling you DO LOSE MONEY if you sell at less than you buy, REAL MONEY. Not just the potential to make money.
In options trading, which I suspect you are thinking of, if you buy a put option and the market moves against you, you still lose the initial amount you paid for the option. There is no such thing as a zero risk investment. If you want something close, buy treasury bonds and hold them to maturity. From there up the risks increase. Short selling is certainly one of the riskier strategies available to investors.
almost everybody eats 1 - 3 plate loads of food
:/
Dont know about the people you go out with, we generally go through half a dozen plates each
Then again, it might go up to $699
Is it just me, or does Development Penguin look drunk or on drugs? Especially with that flask next to him. As the 2.6 development kernel is named Detox Beaver or something similar, does this tell us something about the kernel developers??
Reports also indicate that McDonald's consistently keeps its coffee at 185 degrees, still approximately 20 degrees hotter than at other restaurants.
American coffee consists of a burnt brown powder served in a cup/mug?
Must.....Resist.....urge....
I cant help myself:(
Okay, if hunt around long enough, you will eventually be able to find the free downloadable distributions that these companies hide
Yes, it takes ages to hunt around the Debian site to find "Getting Debian" on the FRONT PAGE. Or "Get Gentoo" on the FRONT PAGE of those sites. How sneaky of them to hide these links so obscurely in the site.
If you get Linux legally on cd in a format that a normal person can install, it costs more than Windows
I bought my Gentoo CD's from the Gentoo store. I did not HAVE to buy the CD's, it would have been perfectly legal for me to download them for free, or get a copy of a friend. Cost: $15US.
Cost of WinXP Home: $199US.
But...I also have AbiWord. Cost: FREE. Gnumeric (which is generally touted as being better than Excel): FREE. MySQL database server: FREE. And you know what, it is all 100% legal!
I totally agree. People should actually go and read / listen to some of his speeches. They present some rather thought provoking points. You do not have to agree with them all, but to criticise the man without actually knowing what he stands for is rather unfair and to be honest rather simple minded.
It also brings up the interesting point of Linus always being put forward as the man behind the free software movement as it stands today. Linus is apolitical and is definitely not the driving force behind free software. RMS has always been championing free software, and it is rather sad that people show no gratitude for what he has accomplished, instead mocking him for his beliefs.
I am in full agreements with your post as a whole. It is just a personal gripe I have developed recently regarding too many people using the term "so-called" when it has no place in the sentence.
I apologise because in this instance, after re-reading the post, I believe that this was one of the very few instances that the term has been used correctly.
but we're the 2nd largest manufacturer of Internet-enabled personal sanitation devices in the U.S
Im obviously behind on the latest technology, but are you referring to an internet enabled toilet??
many so-called Open Source programs
This is being a bit pedantic, but either something is Open Source or it isnt. What may I ask is a "so-called" Open Source program? If it is an Open Source program, then it is an Open Source program. If it is not, then call it something else.
"So-called" is a term often used by people to discredit a concept without having to resort to facts. It implies the term referred to is illegitimate and thus the entire concept is illegitimate.
Thats my nitpicking for the day
Gates on the other hand can ORDER everyone in his employ to jump around and shout "I'm a little idiot!" and they'll have to do it wether they like it or not.
:)
Well, it certainly worked with Darl & co
Setting - the Redmond Battle Station
Darl turns to face Linus
Darl: Linus, I am your father
Linus: Nooooo.......
Emperor BillG who has been watching, turns to Linus
BillG: Linus, sell us your code and your journey to the dark side will be complete.
Meanwhile, outside the battle rages between the SCO lawyers and RMSolo's FSF ewoks
To be continued...
If you have a lot of worms around the office, all you need is a couple of chickens to get rid of them.
This is obviously another blatent attempt to attack President Bush on his decision to go into and remove Saddam from power
The article was about a media outlet pulling a story unfavourable to the current administration in the US, not a cheap shot at GWB.
And I always hear this crap about this administration being different to the Bush snr administration. Lets get this straight, unless Donald Rumsfeld has an identical twin, it is the SAME Donald Rumsfeld that was shaking hands with Saddam in the 80s, while he was gassing Kurds / Iranians. Is this the SAME Donald Rumsfeld that is now saying that the US was right in attacking Iraq because Saddam gassed Kurds / Iranians? And the names Cheney and Wolfowitz seem to sound familiar too. I wonder where I remember them from.
And let us see what has changed in the middle east since 98. Yes Al Qaeda brought down the WTC. Thats not the middle east. Basically the political climate pre Iraq invasion was largely the same as the political climate in 98. Same rulers, same factions, same attitudes.
The USA has many good people, unfortunately they are always drowned out by the people who seem to think that their president is faultless. If GWB announced that it was the patriotic thing to bang heads against a brick wall, the hospitals would be filled the next day with fractured skulls.
In AD 2003
War was beginning
Manager: What happen?
Sys Admin: Somebody set us up the router
User: We get page
Manager: What!
User: Main Monitor Turn On
Manager: Its you!
Belkin: How are you gentlemen?
Belkin: All your requests are belong to us
Belkin: You are on the way to destruction
Manager: What you say!!
Belkin: You have no chance to survive make your backup
Belkin: HA HA HA HA...
User: Boss!!
Manager: Take off every 'port'!!
Manager: You know what you doing
Manager: Move port
Manager: For great justice
Hey, how about those hidden racist comments in Perl scripts?
&debug("[$.]: ${_} -> $ent->{$_}");
dark ebony black underground giraffes with some money inside and outside parentheses are sent to entertain for money while shooting arrows at rich quotation marks while winking?
If you use banner blocking software, then obviously you go to sites that use banners for revenue. Understand this: without banners THOSE SITES WOULD NOT EXIST. simple.
The point of ads is that way the sites visitors dont have to pay any money.
If you like the idea of a web without banners, then support sites that dont use banner ads. What? There arent many? Well, maybe that has something to do with the fact that it costs money to run a site. If Im running a site as a hobby and others find it interesting, I may pay a small amount out of my pocket to keep it running. I will not be paying my weekly salary to support the site just because all my viewers do not wish to view ads. So what happens? I take the site down. I really dont care whether you feel its your God given right to view my site. No money, no site. Period.
Exactly!
The problem with the statement was not that he thought Linux was not ready for the average home user (though I dont think the other distros will be particularly happy with that comment). The problem is that he said that average users should use Windows. Why Windows? Why did he not just point out that there are several other OS's out there who offer better desktop alternatives that RED HAT currently offers (IN HIS PERSONAL OPINION). Why actively promote Windows? It is quite unfair on the other distros for him to speak on all of their behalves that desktop users should use Windows
A better comment would have been to say that Linux is maturing at a rapid rate, and to point to Mac OS X as an example of a great Unix based desktop OS to prove that Unix can work on the desktop.