Emotions are often part of your circuitry. You may choose to ignore your wife/husband cheating on you but that isn't the default reaction for most of humanity. Someone might call me a geek. That is derogatory as well but I am proud of that title. It's less weighted then "chink" and Geeks have reclaimed the word.Words carry emotional weight. The absence of a emotional reaction to heavily weighted words like racial slurs is actually a sign of sociopathy. I assure you I am likely not a sociopath.
What, are you a physchologist now? No, then STFU with your sociopathy crap. Geek used to be an insult; the fact that you now take pride in it proves my point. You CHOOSE to let a word offend you or not. Just like you can choose the reaction to your significant other cheating on you.
who said ban them. I only outlined the link and stated why PC had some legitimate motivations. PC is an extension of the idea that language influence thought processes. The language you use taints the thoughts you have. There is some empirical data for this. I am uncertain of how strong the correlation is. I do not believe in banning speech. I do not believe you can are absolved from all responsibility of your speech however. So while you may call someone a nigger. You are more then within your rights as a human being. You must deal with the emotional reaction you will invoke in everyone who hears you and if you did so in a public forum, you may have to deal with hostility from a certain community.
Um, in case you've been under a rock, PC IS all about banning "offensive" content. Games, movies, books, WORDS. To say its not is an outright lie.
The science you're quoting doesn't support your theory. It doesn't show that certain words can actually hurt you.
It invokes such a reaction in minorities because it highlights your powerlessness. It taunts us by saying "look, due to how you were born you are worth less then me." You may have moved past that but it doesn't make it a non-issue. I can't help being asian. I may be able to stop being a geek/nerd/emo/goth/airhead/jock/drama geek/burn out/loser/punk but I can;t stop being asian.
It invokes those and upsets you because you let it. You can easily choose not too. I couldn't choose to be short either. If you let words upset you that much, you surely have a self image problem... but its your problem, and you need to deal with it. You must think there is some truth behind the taunts, because otherwise it wouldn't bother you to hear them. People can call me stupid, I don't care, because I know I'm not.
They are words, get over it already.
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I am personally enraged when someone uses an Asian racial slur around me. Words are part of culture and they can hurt you.
No, they don't hurt. YOU get yourself upset. You choose it. You can choose to not let it affect you.
Why was my great great grandfather not allowed to bring his family over from china or get payed a decent wage for taking the dangerous jobs building the Canadian railway? because there was a tight cultural connection between Chink,Chinese and china men with Sub human in the minds of the people of Canada. The whole PC thing is to help break this up. If kids aren't taught "jewed", "chink", "nigger" etc.. it helps prevent them from making such associations. As a non white guy I was harassed with racial slurs most my life and often it would come with violence. So really you don't know what it feels like until you are the only Asian kid in a class of 30 white kids. It's even worse if you're poor and their affluent.
Bullshit. People will come up with different words. You're not going to stop racism by banning derogatory terms. PC is nothing be censorship and pretending to fix problems instead of actually fixing them.
And believe me, you don't need to be Asian to be called names. I was in a school that was all white, and I was called names for other things. I didn't hurt me, I didn't let it define me. I suggest you do the same.
Nothing to do with standards. You expect everyone to be like you, and when they aren't you act as if you are somehow better... usually a sign of lack of self confidence.
Bullshit. Its not different than using someone elses HTTP library instead of writing your own. You may want to spend time writing lots of needed, but non-productive code, but others of us want to more quickly build reliable applications.
Garbage collection doesn't mean you throw good coding out, but it does save you from forgetting to delete an object in memory, an error that can be very difficult to track down and for which we have a reliable solution.
Wow, how about you quit being a crybaby. Growing up, I was always taught "words can never hurt me." Perhaps you should stop letting words have such power over you, and move on with your life. Honkey and cracker could be equally as offensive to me as a white person, but I never give a shit when anyone uses them.
That's probably a social thing; women are taught its ok to show they are stressed or to stress over everything. I don't think there's anything inherently about women that would make them unable to deal. We wouldn't have gotten very far as a species if they were like that.
Huh? No, most people don't perform general maintence themselves on their cars. Poor people might, but certainly not most of the middle class. I don't do any of that stuff myself, mainly because I don't have a good way to rotate my tires (I'd need to have them all off or spend a lot of time raising and lowering portions of the car) and my dealer also washs and cleans the inside of my car. For the time effort vs. cost, its better to have the dealer to the maintence.
You ignore what actually was involved in this. The police called the paint on her sweatshirt "putty" and the simple breadboard attached to the outside of that sweatshirt a bomb.
Right, because they couldn't possibly have made a mistake seeing the shirt from a distance. Its entirely possible the paint DID look like putty.
Even without the paint / putty, a circuit board + battery strapped to someones chest can reasonable be construed to be a bomb. There was no overreaction here, and believe me I rarely side with police in any matter. The student was stupid, plain and simple. She might as well waive a toy gun around in a bank after painting the tip black again.
No, I don't have a problem with an investigation unit that responds after a crime has happened. I have a problem with assholes in blue running around doing what they want, pulling people over because they feel like it, or tasering people excessively.
Do some reading on lynchings in the south where black men who were accused of kissing/whistling white women were killed to see how that bullshit would work out.
Ahh, you mean were blacks weren't allowed to have guns? Also, you act as if police would stop this now. Please tell me, what's stopping a group of white guys in the country from finding a lone black guy, taking him to a tree and hanging him? You think the police would be able to stop that, or do you think they'd be trying to find evidence at the crime scene?
How many Americans looking vaguely Arabish would have been killed in the fall of 2001?
You're speculating.
How many kids of Asian descent would have been shot at at Virginia Tech?
Right, because asians as a whole are hated and people would randomly shoot asians because of what one kid did. Again, if someone wanted to murder someone else, it can be done, and the police cannot stop it. They'll find the crime scene, but they won't stop the murder.
And on the flip side, if everyone is responsible for their own defense, are the old and disabled going to be told to go fuck themselves?
Do you think or do you just spout out whatever emotional drivel that pops into your head? Being responsible for your own defense doesn't mean you walk by when you see one person attacking another. Get a grip dude.
Ok..so anything that isn't in a pretty, professional package...is considered a possible bomb?
If its strapped to your chest and has some putty on it (which looks like C4), then yes, it should be considered a possible bomb. You ignore where and what other items were involved in this.
It's only fair that the enrollment is not permanent otherwise one day the list would include nearly every number. Even if some people who originally registered have switched numbers (moved to a different area code for example) or are deceased.
Good. I'm all for that.
An everlasting list would be equivalent to a soft ban on telemarketing. If you really want to do that, just do that instead. For now 5 years seems perfectly reasonable for me to re-register.
Well we can't really ban them outright after all, that would be against the consitution. But this is a ncie work around for once, it works for us. Sort of.
Your exactly right, which is why I believe we should abandon the idea of police all together. Everyone should be armed and responsible for defending yourself and your family. Everyone should be trained in guns and self defense.
The police never stop crimes; sorry, they don't, simply because they can't be everywhere all the time. Nor would we want them to be.
The proxy server is easy to bypass, as are the logging programs (on windows, boot up in safe mode with network support), wireless is not secure, and teenagers are inventive.
No, not necessarly. ISA server on Windows would be difficult to get around, if the server is in a more secure location. I'm not sure you can boot to safe mode and still play vidoes, although I suppose pictures would still work. At any rate, I think there are some loggers that can get around this. Wireless can be secure, if you use RADIUS. My home network does not allow access to wireless unless the computer was previously joined to the Windows domain.
The best way to keep such stuff away from kids is to keep them busy with other things that interest them more... difficult for some kids, but possible.
What's wrong with an interest and curiosity about sex? Maybe if we taught kids earlier, we wouldn't have the teenage pregnancy problems and other issues today.
While we all may have had access to our parents porn, I'm sure there are things on the web that go well beyond what would have been in printed material when we were kids.
It depends on what your parents liked. I'm pretty sure there's a magazine out there that will go as far as you want. Penthouse and Hustler went a big further than Playboy. Go check out an adult book store if you really want to see what is available.
About all I did was scare him with the knowledge that I knew what he was looking at.
Why? What purpose does that serve? Making him think he's doing something wrong?
There are big problems with putting such stigma on nudity and sex. It helps give rise to preditors and hides problem like sexual abuse by parents.
However I don't think it ridiculous to hold our own actions to said standards. Shall we now chop off an illegal immigrants hands caught stealing from a store in NY, because his home country would have done so? Its one thing to stay out of other countries affairs, its quite another to give "non-citizens" second rate human rights in our dealings with them.
By your logic, we could enslave all of Iraq because they are not US citizens. I somehow doubt that's how we want to engage the rest of the world.
It was evident in this case that the guy was wandering around the store taking notes not only intending not to buy anything but enhancing his ability to shop competitively. If he shared his information he would be broadening that result. The store had no good reason not to toss him out.
How do you know? Perhaps if the store was only charging a few dollars more, surely its worth it to get the book right now? All they are doing is angering potential customers. This is no different that going to different stores and comparing prices. People have been doing that for a long time.
The big deal is that what the web gaveth, the web tooketh away; you can't find a site anymore that produces prices
Bullshit. 99% of online stores post prices.
some pricegrabber site will write a little script that steals it all
I guess you don't know how it works; pricegrabber allows merchants to POST prices on their sites. They do it on their own, so that people that otherwise wouldn't even find said store has a chance to be found. In fact, sometimes you can only get the pricegrabber price by following the Shop link; searching directly on the site you'll find the same product, but more expensive.
The web took away the relevance of location, and now it is taking away the relevance of their other asset - price.
The bookstore in question obviously doesn't have price as an asset; its a liability, driving people to buy the EXACT same product elsewhere.
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Emotions are often part of your circuitry. You may choose to ignore your wife/husband cheating on you but that isn't the default reaction for most of humanity. Someone might call me a geek. That is derogatory as well but I am proud of that title. It's less weighted then "chink" and Geeks have reclaimed the word.Words carry emotional weight. The absence of a emotional reaction to heavily weighted words like racial slurs is actually a sign of sociopathy. I assure you I am likely not a sociopath.
What, are you a physchologist now? No, then STFU with your sociopathy crap. Geek used to be an insult; the fact that you now take pride in it proves my point. You CHOOSE to let a word offend you or not. Just like you can choose the reaction to your significant other cheating on you.
who said ban them. I only outlined the link and stated why PC had some legitimate motivations. PC is an extension of the idea that language influence thought processes. The language you use taints the thoughts you have. There is some empirical data for this. I am uncertain of how strong the correlation is. I do not believe in banning speech. I do not believe you can are absolved from all responsibility of your speech however. So while you may call someone a nigger. You are more then within your rights as a human being. You must deal with the emotional reaction you will invoke in everyone who hears you and if you did so in a public forum, you may have to deal with hostility from a certain community.
Um, in case you've been under a rock, PC IS all about banning "offensive" content. Games, movies, books, WORDS. To say its not is an outright lie.
The science you're quoting doesn't support your theory. It doesn't show that certain words can actually hurt you.
It invokes such a reaction in minorities because it highlights your powerlessness. It taunts us by saying "look, due to how you were born you are worth less then me." You may have moved past that but it doesn't make it a non-issue. I can't help being asian. I may be able to stop being a geek/nerd/emo/goth/airhead/jock/drama geek/burn out/loser/punk but I can;t stop being asian.
It invokes those and upsets you because you let it. You can easily choose not too. I couldn't choose to be short either. If you let words upset you that much, you surely have a self image problem... but its your problem, and you need to deal with it. You must think there is some truth behind the taunts, because otherwise it wouldn't bother you to hear them. People can call me stupid, I don't care, because I know I'm not.
They are words, get over it already.
I am personally enraged when someone uses an Asian racial slur around me. Words are part of culture and they can hurt you.
No, they don't hurt. YOU get yourself upset. You choose it. You can choose to not let it affect you.
Why was my great great grandfather not allowed to bring his family over from china or get payed a decent wage for taking the dangerous jobs building the Canadian railway? because there was a tight cultural connection between Chink,Chinese and china men with Sub human in the minds of the people of Canada. The whole PC thing is to help break this up. If kids aren't taught "jewed", "chink", "nigger" etc.. it helps prevent them from making such associations. As a non white guy I was harassed with racial slurs most my life and often it would come with violence. So really you don't know what it feels like until you are the only Asian kid in a class of 30 white kids. It's even worse if you're poor and their affluent.
Bullshit. People will come up with different words. You're not going to stop racism by banning derogatory terms. PC is nothing be censorship and pretending to fix problems instead of actually fixing them.
And believe me, you don't need to be Asian to be called names. I was in a school that was all white, and I was called names for other things. I didn't hurt me, I didn't let it define me. I suggest you do the same.
Nothing to do with standards. You expect everyone to be like you, and when they aren't you act as if you are somehow better... usually a sign of lack of self confidence.
Bullshit. Its not different than using someone elses HTTP library instead of writing your own. You may want to spend time writing lots of needed, but non-productive code, but others of us want to more quickly build reliable applications.
Garbage collection doesn't mean you throw good coding out, but it does save you from forgetting to delete an object in memory, an error that can be very difficult to track down and for which we have a reliable solution.
Wow, how about you quit being a crybaby. Growing up, I was always taught "words can never hurt me." Perhaps you should stop letting words have such power over you, and move on with your life. Honkey and cracker could be equally as offensive to me as a white person, but I never give a shit when anyone uses them.
And what exactly would you (Canadians do)? We do import quite a bit. Think it'd be good for Canada if we had to stop?
That's probably a social thing; women are taught its ok to show they are stressed or to stress over everything. I don't think there's anything inherently about women that would make them unable to deal. We wouldn't have gotten very far as a species if they were like that.
That's exactly why I don't use gmail.
Exactly, it would just piss me off more if the dragon was more difficult to control.
Or maybe he'd just rather spend his time doing stuff that's actually fun or productive. You're just an elitist prick.
Huh? No, most people don't perform general maintence themselves on their cars. Poor people might, but certainly not most of the middle class. I don't do any of that stuff myself, mainly because I don't have a good way to rotate my tires (I'd need to have them all off or spend a lot of time raising and lowering portions of the car) and my dealer also washs and cleans the inside of my car. For the time effort vs. cost, its better to have the dealer to the maintence.
You ignore what actually was involved in this. The police called the paint on her sweatshirt "putty" and the simple breadboard attached to the outside of that sweatshirt a bomb.
Right, because they couldn't possibly have made a mistake seeing the shirt from a distance. Its entirely possible the paint DID look like putty.
Even without the paint / putty, a circuit board + battery strapped to someones chest can reasonable be construed to be a bomb. There was no overreaction here, and believe me I rarely side with police in any matter. The student was stupid, plain and simple. She might as well waive a toy gun around in a bank after painting the tip black again.
No, I don't have a problem with an investigation unit that responds after a crime has happened. I have a problem with assholes in blue running around doing what they want, pulling people over because they feel like it, or tasering people excessively.
Detectives are fine, patrolmen aren't.
Do some reading on lynchings in the south where black men who were accused of kissing/whistling white women were killed to see how that bullshit would work out.
Ahh, you mean were blacks weren't allowed to have guns? Also, you act as if police would stop this now. Please tell me, what's stopping a group of white guys in the country from finding a lone black guy, taking him to a tree and hanging him? You think the police would be able to stop that, or do you think they'd be trying to find evidence at the crime scene?
How many Americans looking vaguely Arabish would have been killed in the fall of 2001?
You're speculating.
How many kids of Asian descent would have been shot at at Virginia Tech?
Right, because asians as a whole are hated and people would randomly shoot asians because of what one kid did. Again, if someone wanted to murder someone else, it can be done, and the police cannot stop it. They'll find the crime scene, but they won't stop the murder.
And on the flip side, if everyone is responsible for their own defense, are the old and disabled going to be told to go fuck themselves?
Do you think or do you just spout out whatever emotional drivel that pops into your head? Being responsible for your own defense doesn't mean you walk by when you see one person attacking another. Get a grip dude.
I haven't found a B&M store that wasn't posting its prices online if it had a website.
Ok..so anything that isn't in a pretty, professional package...is considered a possible bomb?
If its strapped to your chest and has some putty on it (which looks like C4), then yes, it should be considered a possible bomb. You ignore where and what other items were involved in this.
It's only fair that the enrollment is not permanent otherwise one day the list would include nearly every number. Even if some people who originally registered have switched numbers (moved to a different area code for example) or are deceased.
Good. I'm all for that.
An everlasting list would be equivalent to a soft ban on telemarketing. If you really want to do that, just do that instead. For now 5 years seems perfectly reasonable for me to re-register.
Well we can't really ban them outright after all, that would be against the consitution. But this is a ncie work around for once, it works for us. Sort of.
Your exactly right, which is why I believe we should abandon the idea of police all together. Everyone should be armed and responsible for defending yourself and your family. Everyone should be trained in guns and self defense.
The police never stop crimes; sorry, they don't, simply because they can't be everywhere all the time. Nor would we want them to be.
That stores are the biggest problem when it comes to credit card fraud and should be sued.
Especially since it involves a guy who was basically being a prick.
Ya, what an asshole, standing up for his rights against a cop that BROKE THE LAW or a store that does the same.
The proxy server is easy to bypass, as are the logging programs (on windows, boot up in safe mode with network support), wireless is not secure, and teenagers are inventive.
No, not necessarly. ISA server on Windows would be difficult to get around, if the server is in a more secure location. I'm not sure you can boot to safe mode and still play vidoes, although I suppose pictures would still work. At any rate, I think there are some loggers that can get around this. Wireless can be secure, if you use RADIUS. My home network does not allow access to wireless unless the computer was previously joined to the Windows domain.
The best way to keep such stuff away from kids is to keep them busy with other things that interest them more... difficult for some kids, but possible.
What's wrong with an interest and curiosity about sex? Maybe if we taught kids earlier, we wouldn't have the teenage pregnancy problems and other issues today.
While we all may have had access to our parents porn, I'm sure there are things on the web that go well beyond what would have been in printed material when we were kids.
It depends on what your parents liked. I'm pretty sure there's a magazine out there that will go as far as you want. Penthouse and Hustler went a big further than Playboy. Go check out an adult book store if you really want to see what is available.
About all I did was scare him with the knowledge that I knew what he was looking at.
Why? What purpose does that serve? Making him think he's doing something wrong?
There are big problems with putting such stigma on nudity and sex. It helps give rise to preditors and hides problem like sexual abuse by parents.
However I don't think it ridiculous to hold our own actions to said standards. Shall we now chop off an illegal immigrants hands caught stealing from a store in NY, because his home country would have done so? Its one thing to stay out of other countries affairs, its quite another to give "non-citizens" second rate human rights in our dealings with them.
By your logic, we could enslave all of Iraq because they are not US citizens. I somehow doubt that's how we want to engage the rest of the world.
It was evident in this case that the guy was wandering around the store taking notes not only intending not to buy anything but enhancing his ability to shop competitively. If he shared his information he would be broadening that result. The store had no good reason not to toss him out.
How do you know? Perhaps if the store was only charging a few dollars more, surely its worth it to get the book right now? All they are doing is angering potential customers. This is no different that going to different stores and comparing prices. People have been doing that for a long time.
The big deal is that what the web gaveth, the web tooketh away; you can't find a site anymore that produces prices
Bullshit. 99% of online stores post prices.
some pricegrabber site will write a little script that steals it all
I guess you don't know how it works; pricegrabber allows merchants to POST prices on their sites. They do it on their own, so that people that otherwise wouldn't even find said store has a chance to be found. In fact, sometimes you can only get the pricegrabber price by following the Shop link; searching directly on the site you'll find the same product, but more expensive.
The web took away the relevance of location, and now it is taking away the relevance of their other asset - price.
The bookstore in question obviously doesn't have price as an asset; its a liability, driving people to buy the EXACT same product elsewhere.