1st Amendment - Free speech zones and suspected terrorist are not allowed to talk to the press because it might reveal information or incite violence
4th Amendment - Warrentless phone taps
5th Amendment - "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" - GITMO
6th Amendment - "to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense." - GITMO
8th Amendment - ", nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." - CIA Prisons
9th Amendment - "shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people" - All the excuses why he can get away with the rest
10th Amendment - "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." - Signing statements in general
I guess we should just be happy that we have the 2nd, 3rd, and 7th left. There is a reason people have knee jerk reactions about Bush taking away civil rights, it's called conditioning.
No, that is not what the "M" stands for. The "M" stands for Mature, it is a guide line for parents to realize that they need to decide if their children are mature enough to play the game. If the kid can get the money and can make a purchase without an adult, you need to consider why if you do not feel that he/she is mature enough for such a game, running the streets without an adult and enough money to buy a gun, controled substances, or a prostitue is possible
"AO" means Adult Only which by definition means it can not be sold to minors. It might be splitting hairs and semantics, but it is an important distiction. If you want to see where things lead when you start generalizing "it is bad for the children" then go try to smoke a cigarette in a restraunt in a major city. They expand who can't do something bit, by bit.
One of the problems with are current system is that you can not appeal a bad decision, you can only appeal if correct procedure was not followed, the other problem is that judges have given themselves the authority to overrule a jury, most of the cases based on "The jury didn't understand the law in this case" the purpose of a jury by peers was to keep people from having their lives ruined by legal loopholes. The jury has the right to say the law is screwed up and should not be applied, but judges want that power for themselves and have taken it. When is the last time you saw a jury rule a law unconstitutional. I think that if this particular decision had been made by a jury the outcome would have involved a lot more common sense, and a lot less of the public getting bent over.
Lets clarify that last point, lets say a Verizon networked cell phone instead of fiber. Your conversation is now broadcast to everyone in a several mile radius. The goverment recognized your right to privacy when they passed laws making it illegal to recieve those frequencies, but other than from a legal standpoint, it is as public as it gets, but is still protected under phone tap laws because it is a private commincation between two individuals. If this can be protected, the internet can certainly share those protections.
The problem is support, not inoperability. The software still works, you just don't have anyone to call when it doesn't work the way you expected. Forking the project does not solve this problem. If a third party wanted to sell a customer support contract for it, they could do so without needing a fork. If MySQL started releasing later versions of the software without the source, then a fork would be needed to have a branch that could be supported by another company.
That is one of the reasons that this study used "wealth" and not income. The numbers are based on (assetts - debt). So a gentleman in California with a mortgage is going to have a lot more debt than the gentleman in Kansas with a mortgage on the same size house. They are still statistics, estimates, lots of generalizations, and guesses, but the story is that this group took the time to factor out a lot more of the discrepencies like the one you describe than have been done before.
If you can make 44K a year, not have any credit card debt, own a house with a paid of mortgage, and have your car paid off, then you would actually be better off financially than most people making 100K and living a pretty good life. If you are making 44K buy don't have enought to pay your electric and water bill after the house note and car payment, this report would probably place you just one step above homeless.
This kid broke into my house and stole a six pack of beer, but now I don't feel safe in my house anymore, so for actual damages I am including the cost of a house in a lower crime area with private security guards. The kid's dad originally bought the beer so I didn't include the cost of the beer in the total.
but the project was completed on time, that would never be acceptable in the fast passed world of government funding. They would be able to see if it works before paying the bill.
On the other hand, I don't see what kind of an idiot - except the ones sitting in my country's courtrooms[1]
This is meant to be tried in the media not the courts. While you may not have been able to find an idiot capable of believing this kind of distorted "logic" the media has proven themselves quite capable.
There are actually systems that do just that. I have worked in chemical plants where every change that was made on the computer was also sent to a printer because the disk backup were not considered reliable to audit a problem. That is also the reason that most cash registers have a dual paper tape in addition to sending all information to the main computer. If something doesn't look right, they have something to audit. Most disk drive use does not need that kind of audit trail. You need to know if something is wrong, if the logs aren't reliable enough to tell you how to fix it, then you restore from a backup or reinstall. A good system will have regular backups in case the problem is also in the latest backup. If the data is not critical, then you can just reinstall and not worry about a backup. Elections are one shot. There is no "reinstall" method. The backup needs to have an audit trail instead of a snapshot so that all information can be retrieved from that one backup. You can't go to an earlier backup if the one on DVD is also corupt.
The reason that a dvd with jpg images is not practicle, is that if the machine writing the jpg to DVD was trusted enough to read the same jpg image it wrote, then you wouldn't need the verifiable trail. It could work, but it would involve removing the DVD from the voting machine, and placing it in a seperately verified DVD player to look at the image. A paper trail works, because it is assumed that the machine cannot erase or misrepresent what is on the paper. How do you verify that the jpg image the computer is showing you is the one written to the DVD and not the one that is was just suppose to have written to the DVD.
The Cat & Mouse game would be good for all, if it was used for any kind of enlightenment. I am an active WOW player, but I have heard way too many stories about Blizzard refusing to open up a line of communication with someone. It is just an email saying that you are under investigation, and another that you are banned. No chance to explain, No chance to have them look deeper into the problem, No chance to ask why you are being banned. Those are the type of things that would make the cat & mouse game better for all. I reinstalled windows after practicing defenistration for over a year, just to play WOW because I could see this kind of thing coming with the suspcion of hacks. If Blizzard would support linux to the point of writting a linux executable to check for hacks, then I would lose enough paranoia of getting banned to install WOW on linux. There needs to be some give and take. I will put up with this kind of treatment from Blizzard until XP is no longer supported either by Blizzard or by Microsoft. When I can no longer get the patches to make a safe connection to the internet, I will go back to my linux box, and will cancel my subscription. I held onto Win98 for years after XP came out, and only went to XP, because of a few featuers theat were not available in Win98 or Linux at the time. I ditched XP when those features were available in Linux, until I got sucked into WOW, and then only reinstalled it because I already had a paid for copy of XP for that desktop
I know somebody that keeps trying to give me a fishing bot that works by grabbin the video screen buffer to determin when and where to click the bobber. I have tried to explain, but it doesn't make sence to a avid power gamer that I don't need the most money or the best items to have fun playing my character, and that I don't need to or want to cheat, but the video card buffer bots have been out for a while.
What I gather from an earlier post, is that people are making in game money, coverting it to meat space money, and using that to pay for the in game property that is needed to sell the in game items. What happens when someone finds the way to replicate the in game money as well. Now people can afford thier land. If Linden sponsered software that allowed other people's property to be copied, I don't think they should complain when it it used on their propert ( the in game money).
This is very close to the senerio that would occur in real life. If anything could be duplicated, people would lose jobs left and right, but what would be the purpose of working. You work to get the things you need to survive and what is left goes to the things you enjoy. The only problem left would be land and entertainment. Even with replicators, creating land mass has some serious effects on the gravitational pull of a planet. Land would still be a comodity, but who would have the money to pay for it. Unique songs, movies, books, and video games would probably be in high demand for people that did not need to work for food, but what would they do to earn money for such luxuries. The people that had land could only sell it to people that made money from entertainment, and the people that made entertainment would only be able to sell their services to the people that were selling land. Capitolism no longer works in a society with these parameters. It is time to start looking back at older economic methods or develop new ones. A modified form of socialism would probably overcome it's flaws in a society that was not dependant on the people working to provide the needed goods for the people.
I think the main problem that Second Life will have, is that Linden is basing its' profit on a capitolistic model for a virtual world in which it has just destroyed the motivation behind capitolism.
Show me a car manufacturer that stated what you are and are not allowed to use the back seat for and then added the clause "If you do not accept these terms and conditions, please return the back seat to the car manufacturer for a full refund" into the purchasing contract and I will reconcider your argument. A clause to that effect is put into the EULA to make it have the apperance that it was negotiated. If they want the appearance that you can refuse the EULA and get a refund, they need to let you refuse the EULA and get a refund.
I looked at the ballot, and wanted a clarafication. Uniformed voter, or uninformed cannidate? Most of the time the latter was all that was available. If I am uninformed, I can correct the procedure as long as the press is still influenced by ratings as well as propanda money, legal threats about revealing "classified information", coporate ownership interest, etc, etc,... When all the available canidates are uninformed I feel like I would have been better off not knowing when I cast my vote. I ended up not voting in several races because of this.
Your first point is two unrelated sentances in the same article for sensationalism. Human rights can predict all they want. The genocide he is being tried for is 148. He and the other six people are NOT being tried for the 18,000 predicted by human rights groups.
Here is a quote from your second point:
"Mass graves in Iraq are characterized as unmarked sites containing at least six bodies" & "Over 250 sites have been reported, of which approximately 40 have been confirmed to date" Again they are sensationalizing the numbers. Just like the 650,000 Iraqis killed since the Occupation. They are reporting how many might have possible been killed in a worse case senerio.
Your third point just mentions "Genocide" which for the case of this trial is definded as 148 people.
"So we have one man responsible for thousand of deaths (Saddam)"
Now a quote from the BBC:
"Saddam Hussein and seven others are already on trial for the deaths of 148 people in the town of Dujail."
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4875678.stm
Human rights groups are predicting thousands, but Saddam was put on trial for 148. He has been found guilty of killing 148 people, not thousands. Even if you dismiss the possibility that this court was set up as a political stunt, it puts a whole new light on the number of deaths in Iraq in the name of preventing genocide and terrorism.
I have been reading about when they were going to read the verdict for months, starting when this trial ended. They should have released the verdict when the trial ended. Not wait for months to coincide with an election.
This has been headline news in other countries for weeks. I tried bringing it up once with almost no response, granted, I am not good with names and made the mistake of switching Hussiens and Bin Ladens names, but the cited sources, and a correction should have cleared up the confussion. I think it is horrible that they are executing someone as a political stunt. I think it is worse that I found no one else that saw it comming. I know there are other people out there smart enough to figure it out, but the fact that they were so few that I couldn't gain any support that this was wrong says a lot about the future of this country. This man was supported by the US for many, many years. He decides that he is going to rule his country instead of being a US puppet, and we execute him to gain a few votes. I think he should answer for his crimes, but the fact that it was published over a month ago that they would announce the verdict two days before the election is a crime in itself. Why not announce the verdict at the end of the trial. A fair and speedy trial does not mean that you hold off the verdict until it suits your political needs. If anyone wants to point out that a speedy trial is an American law and not an Iraqi law, then get the US delegates out of the Iraqi Constitutional writing process, get the American troops home instead of enforcing US Military Law in Iraq, and let the people have their country back, then put this man on trial. He is currently being tried in a country that has now constitution to give him any constitutional rights. They can throw out any law they don't like, and say that doesn't apply now because we are under new goverment. How can that possibly be a fair trial?
In Texas your are only allowed to vote absentee if: http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/pamphlets/ear lyvote.shtml
* going to be away from your county on Election Day and during early voting;
* sick or disabled;
* 65 years of age or older on Election Day; or
* confined in jail, but eligible to vote.
They don't have anything about not trusting the vote. These are the only elligible reasons to vote absentee and not following the correct procedures for voting absentee is considered voting fraud. You are even required to take your own ballot to the postoffice. It is a crime to have someone else deliver it for you. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/23/us/politics/23su ppress.html?ex=1316664000&en=862d1e52931e06ca&ei=5 088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss Kind of defeats the purpose of letting people that are too sick or old to drive to the polling station vote absentee when you force them to drive to the post office, but that is how screwed up the system is. Not sure how the people in jail are suppose to vote?
I was wondering what logic you used do determine that the American Civil Liberty Union is not doing it's job because it is silent about what the French are doing
"It's been virtually silent about the far more draconian measures the Europeans are using to fight terrorism, particularly the French."
I agree that the US govermnet had no business raiding a Religious compound for "stockpiling" guns. I still haven't found any laws on the maximum number of guns a person or organization is allowed to own. I think the ACLU should have been involved because almost every amendment in the Bill of Rights was broken during that raid. Maybe they knew it was a battle they couldn't win, maybe no one was left to file a complaint; but what does this have to do with Europe, particularly the French?
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SOOO Knee jerk:
1st Amendment - Free speech zones and suspected terrorist are not allowed to talk to the press because it might reveal information or incite violence
4th Amendment - Warrentless phone taps
5th Amendment - "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" - GITMO
6th Amendment - "to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense." - GITMO
8th Amendment - ", nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." - CIA Prisons
9th Amendment - "shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people" - All the excuses why he can get away with the rest
10th Amendment - "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." - Signing statements in general
I guess we should just be happy that we have the 2nd, 3rd, and 7th left. There is a reason people have knee jerk reactions about Bush taking away civil rights, it's called conditioning.
No, that is not what the "M" stands for. The "M" stands for Mature, it is a guide line for parents to realize that they need to decide if their children are mature enough to play the game. If the kid can get the money and can make a purchase without an adult, you need to consider why if you do not feel that he/she is mature enough for such a game, running the streets without an adult and enough money to buy a gun, controled substances, or a prostitue is possible
"AO" means Adult Only which by definition means it can not be sold to minors. It might be splitting hairs and semantics, but it is an important distiction. If you want to see where things lead when you start generalizing "it is bad for the children" then go try to smoke a cigarette in a restraunt in a major city. They expand who can't do something bit, by bit.
One of the problems with are current system is that you can not appeal a bad decision, you can only appeal if correct procedure was not followed, the other problem is that judges have given themselves the authority to overrule a jury, most of the cases based on "The jury didn't understand the law in this case" the purpose of a jury by peers was to keep people from having their lives ruined by legal loopholes. The jury has the right to say the law is screwed up and should not be applied, but judges want that power for themselves and have taken it. When is the last time you saw a jury rule a law unconstitutional. I think that if this particular decision had been made by a jury the outcome would have involved a lot more common sense, and a lot less of the public getting bent over.
The increase in radiation is caused by the hole in the ozone layer, but I think everything else is pretty much due to global warming.
Lets clarify that last point, lets say a Verizon networked cell phone instead of fiber. Your conversation is now broadcast to everyone in a several mile radius. The goverment recognized your right to privacy when they passed laws making it illegal to recieve those frequencies, but other than from a legal standpoint, it is as public as it gets, but is still protected under phone tap laws because it is a private commincation between two individuals. If this can be protected, the internet can certainly share those protections.
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It appears that your are writting a research paper on terrorist activity, would you like to see some examples?
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So Long, and Thanks for all the fish!
The problem is support, not inoperability. The software still works, you just don't have anyone to call when it doesn't work the way you expected. Forking the project does not solve this problem. If a third party wanted to sell a customer support contract for it, they could do so without needing a fork. If MySQL started releasing later versions of the software without the source, then a fork would be needed to have a branch that could be supported by another company.
That is one of the reasons that this study used "wealth" and not income. The numbers are based on (assetts - debt). So a gentleman in California with a mortgage is going to have a lot more debt than the gentleman in Kansas with a mortgage on the same size house. They are still statistics, estimates, lots of generalizations, and guesses, but the story is that this group took the time to factor out a lot more of the discrepencies like the one you describe than have been done before.
If you can make 44K a year, not have any credit card debt, own a house with a paid of mortgage, and have your car paid off, then you would actually be better off financially than most people making 100K and living a pretty good life. If you are making 44K buy don't have enought to pay your electric and water bill after the house note and car payment, this report would probably place you just one step above homeless.
Your Honor:
This kid broke into my house and stole a six pack of beer, but now I don't feel safe in my house anymore, so for actual damages I am including the cost of a house in a lower crime area with private security guards. The kid's dad originally bought the beer so I didn't include the cost of the beer in the total.
but the project was completed on time, that would never be acceptable in the fast passed world of government funding. They would be able to see if it works before paying the bill.
You are thinking in terms of logic not PR:
On the other hand, I don't see what kind of an idiot - except the ones sitting in my country's courtrooms[1]
This is meant to be tried in the media not the courts. While you may not have been able to find an idiot capable of believing this kind of distorted "logic" the media has proven themselves quite capable.
There are actually systems that do just that. I have worked in chemical plants where every change that was made on the computer was also sent to a printer because the disk backup were not considered reliable to audit a problem. That is also the reason that most cash registers have a dual paper tape in addition to sending all information to the main computer. If something doesn't look right, they have something to audit. Most disk drive use does not need that kind of audit trail. You need to know if something is wrong, if the logs aren't reliable enough to tell you how to fix it, then you restore from a backup or reinstall. A good system will have regular backups in case the problem is also in the latest backup. If the data is not critical, then you can just reinstall and not worry about a backup. Elections are one shot. There is no "reinstall" method. The backup needs to have an audit trail instead of a snapshot so that all information can be retrieved from that one backup. You can't go to an earlier backup if the one on DVD is also corupt.
The reason that a dvd with jpg images is not practicle, is that if the machine writing the jpg to DVD was trusted enough to read the same jpg image it wrote, then you wouldn't need the verifiable trail. It could work, but it would involve removing the DVD from the voting machine, and placing it in a seperately verified DVD player to look at the image. A paper trail works, because it is assumed that the machine cannot erase or misrepresent what is on the paper. How do you verify that the jpg image the computer is showing you is the one written to the DVD and not the one that is was just suppose to have written to the DVD.
I'm still debating if the scripts made the web better or worse?
I have a couple of points of my own:
The Cat & Mouse game would be good for all, if it was used for any kind of enlightenment. I am an active WOW player, but I have heard way too many stories about Blizzard refusing to open up a line of communication with someone. It is just an email saying that you are under investigation, and another that you are banned. No chance to explain, No chance to have them look deeper into the problem, No chance to ask why you are being banned. Those are the type of things that would make the cat & mouse game better for all. I reinstalled windows after practicing defenistration for over a year, just to play WOW because I could see this kind of thing coming with the suspcion of hacks. If Blizzard would support linux to the point of writting a linux executable to check for hacks, then I would lose enough paranoia of getting banned to install WOW on linux. There needs to be some give and take. I will put up with this kind of treatment from Blizzard until XP is no longer supported either by Blizzard or by Microsoft. When I can no longer get the patches to make a safe connection to the internet, I will go back to my linux box, and will cancel my subscription. I held onto Win98 for years after XP came out, and only went to XP, because of a few featuers theat were not available in Win98 or Linux at the time. I ditched XP when those features were available in Linux, until I got sucked into WOW, and then only reinstalled it because I already had a paid for copy of XP for that desktop
I know somebody that keeps trying to give me a fishing bot that works by grabbin the video screen buffer to determin when and where to click the bobber. I have tried to explain, but it doesn't make sence to a avid power gamer that I don't need the most money or the best items to have fun playing my character, and that I don't need to or want to cheat, but the video card buffer bots have been out for a while.
What I gather from an earlier post, is that people are making in game money, coverting it to meat space money, and using that to pay for the in game property that is needed to sell the in game items. What happens when someone finds the way to replicate the in game money as well. Now people can afford thier land. If Linden sponsered software that allowed other people's property to be copied, I don't think they should complain when it it used on their propert ( the in game money).
This is very close to the senerio that would occur in real life. If anything could be duplicated, people would lose jobs left and right, but what would be the purpose of working. You work to get the things you need to survive and what is left goes to the things you enjoy. The only problem left would be land and entertainment. Even with replicators, creating land mass has some serious effects on the gravitational pull of a planet. Land would still be a comodity, but who would have the money to pay for it. Unique songs, movies, books, and video games would probably be in high demand for people that did not need to work for food, but what would they do to earn money for such luxuries. The people that had land could only sell it to people that made money from entertainment, and the people that made entertainment would only be able to sell their services to the people that were selling land. Capitolism no longer works in a society with these parameters. It is time to start looking back at older economic methods or develop new ones. A modified form of socialism would probably overcome it's flaws in a society that was not dependant on the people working to provide the needed goods for the people.
I think the main problem that Second Life will have, is that Linden is basing its' profit on a capitolistic model for a virtual world in which it has just destroyed the motivation behind capitolism.
Show me a car manufacturer that stated what you are and are not allowed to use the back seat for and then added the clause "If you do not accept these terms and conditions, please return the back seat to the car manufacturer for a full refund" into the purchasing contract and I will reconcider your argument. A clause to that effect is put into the EULA to make it have the apperance that it was negotiated. If they want the appearance that you can refuse the EULA and get a refund, they need to let you refuse the EULA and get a refund.
I looked at the ballot, and wanted a clarafication. Uniformed voter, or uninformed cannidate? Most of the time the latter was all that was available. If I am uninformed, I can correct the procedure as long as the press is still influenced by ratings as well as propanda money, legal threats about revealing "classified information", coporate ownership interest, etc, etc, ... When all the available canidates are uninformed I feel like I would have been better off not knowing when I cast my vote. I ended up not voting in several races because of this.
Your first point is two unrelated sentances in the same article for sensationalism. Human rights can predict all they want. The genocide he is being tried for is 148. He and the other six people are NOT being tried for the 18,000 predicted by human rights groups.
Here is a quote from your second point:
"Mass graves in Iraq are characterized as unmarked sites containing at least six bodies" & "Over 250 sites have been reported, of which approximately 40 have been confirmed to date" Again they are sensationalizing the numbers. Just like the 650,000 Iraqis killed since the Occupation. They are reporting how many might have possible been killed in a worse case senerio.
Your third point just mentions "Genocide" which for the case of this trial is definded as 148 people.
"So we have one man responsible for thousand of deaths (Saddam)"
Now a quote from the BBC:
"Saddam Hussein and seven others are already on trial for the deaths of 148 people in the town of Dujail." news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4875678.stm
Human rights groups are predicting thousands, but Saddam was put on trial for 148. He has been found guilty of killing 148 people, not thousands. Even if you dismiss the possibility that this court was set up as a political stunt, it puts a whole new light on the number of deaths in Iraq in the name of preventing genocide and terrorism.
I have been reading about when they were going to read the verdict for months, starting when this trial ended. They should have released the verdict when the trial ended. Not wait for months to coincide with an election.
This has been headline news in other countries for weeks. I tried bringing it up once with almost no response, granted, I am not good with names and made the mistake of switching Hussiens and Bin Ladens names, but the cited sources, and a correction should have cleared up the confussion. I think it is horrible that they are executing someone as a political stunt. I think it is worse that I found no one else that saw it comming. I know there are other people out there smart enough to figure it out, but the fact that they were so few that I couldn't gain any support that this was wrong says a lot about the future of this country. This man was supported by the US for many, many years. He decides that he is going to rule his country instead of being a US puppet, and we execute him to gain a few votes. I think he should answer for his crimes, but the fact that it was published over a month ago that they would announce the verdict two days before the election is a crime in itself. Why not announce the verdict at the end of the trial. A fair and speedy trial does not mean that you hold off the verdict until it suits your political needs. If anyone wants to point out that a speedy trial is an American law and not an Iraqi law, then get the US delegates out of the Iraqi Constitutional writing process, get the American troops home instead of enforcing US Military Law in Iraq, and let the people have their country back, then put this man on trial. He is currently being tried in a country that has now constitution to give him any constitutional rights. They can throw out any law they don't like, and say that doesn't apply now because we are under new goverment. How can that possibly be a fair trial?
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My previous post:
http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2031
What if it is illegal to vote absentee?
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u ppress.html?ex=1316664000&en=862d1e52931e06ca&ei=5 088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss Kind of defeats the purpose of letting people that are too sick or old to drive to the polling station vote absentee when you force them to drive to the post office, but that is how screwed up the system is. Not sure how the people in jail are suppose to vote?
In Texas your are only allowed to vote absentee if:
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/pamphlets/ea
* going to be away from your county on Election Day and during early voting;
* sick or disabled;
* 65 years of age or older on Election Day; or
* confined in jail, but eligible to vote.
They don't have anything about not trusting the vote. These are the only elligible reasons to vote absentee and not following the correct procedures for voting absentee is considered voting fraud. You are even required to take your own ballot to the postoffice. It is a crime to have someone else deliver it for you. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/23/us/politics/23s
"There must be a few people in broward who vote republican."
There are now!
I was wondering what logic you used do determine that the American Civil Liberty Union is not doing it's job because it is silent about what the French are doing
"It's been virtually silent about the far more draconian measures the Europeans are using to fight terrorism, particularly the French."
I agree that the US govermnet had no business raiding a Religious compound for "stockpiling" guns. I still haven't found any laws on the maximum number of guns a person or organization is allowed to own. I think the ACLU should have been involved because almost every amendment in the Bill of Rights was broken during that raid. Maybe they knew it was a battle they couldn't win, maybe no one was left to file a complaint; but what does this have to do with Europe, particularly the French?