I was looking into this the other day, as I was having trouble formatting my 60 gig USB2 hard drive. Funny.. formatted flawlessly in FreeBSD, excluding the fact that I had formatted the _DRIVE_ rather than the partition and windows couldn't read it. But, I got to looking, and MS support says that Windows 9x and 2k can't support fat32 over 32GB. Windows XP, however, has no problem with it.
This was quite annoying, as I always knew they claimed fat32 could cover partitions to 4TB or so...
The only problem I see with this is the writing of file permissions. This inhibbits all writing, by its nature. While reading is easy (nothing needs to be modified, just grab the data), writing would at least require an owner and basic security settings. For this, I was thinking just a few days ago that it would never happen. Except, of course, if you simply wrote _everything_ as administrator. If that wasn't the case, it would be extremely difficult to determine whom is what and so on. It would in effect be emulating most of Windows' registry reading, security file interpretation, etc. Might as well just run windows.
However, I can see how it would work simply writing giving basic things such as administrator read access, or perhaps the everyone group. I believe the administrator account, at least, has a relatively fixed ID (based on boot floppies being able to reset the admin passwd -- but that's a different area, so perhaps not).
But, this is something I'd be interested in learning more about. Comments welcome.
-DrkShadow
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You seem to also be stating blatantly untrue facts. Lets go over some:
First, passwords are NOT the only, and most likely not the best, method. There are smart cards, swipe cards, fingerprint scanners, etc. The smart cards were used in some places at my previous university -- plug the card in, it logged you in. Unplug, it logged you out, I believe. While for an organization an idle time limit may be more appropriate, this worked. If you forgot your card and you lived in the dorms, you didn't eat at the next meal.. it also served as a swipe for getting into the cafeteria. And lets not forget these were public computers vs a semi personal PC at your own desk. Forgetting a key card there would mean someone else may get your meals or delete your homework, vs someone possibly not even noticing your computer has a card in it when you're not present. One thing to do is make doors swipe access, so you have to have the card and can't go anywhere if you forgot it.
Second, demands from upper management can't completely be fulfilled as THEY want. As a security professional, you need to implement security. Not demands of upper management. They likely wouldn't even know if you do anything or not. (Yes, sir, I implemented a doo bobbidy diggle just the other day. It's like a firewall, but it checks network traffic for anything suspicious.) Implement the security, and if they complain, "More passwords!" explain why that's not the answer and why you, in your professional opinion, feel that's bad. Then suggest an alternative (smart cards).
Third, yes, upper management is responding. They're also most likely doing so without knowing what they have and what it's doing. Perhaps, with the ongoing security checks mentioned in another comment, there should be a yearly or twice yearly brief to management about why what is there and how it will help. If they know what's there, as well as what's NOT there and what can be done about it, they're likely to be more reasonable (see the topics of management seeking assitance outside the IT department because the dept. would just treat them as fools).
Lastly, the part about the three keys is a horrible analogy. If you had three cards to swipe, so be it, I bet you would swipe rather than manually punch in the code printed on the back of the card. Just think if people had to remember the tumbler positions of those keys to get into their house _instead_ of having something easy to plug in -- do you think they'd ever lock their door? They'd likely demand a better system.
So, that's my opinions on your opinions. Eat my shorts.
Has anyone else tried these? Some forward me to/kids, completely removing the iraq stuff, others give me 404 errors. Seems they didn't want people getting to "sensitive information" via the robots file...
Please, provide your home phone number. I'm sure everyone here is willing to play by the rules when they call you to voice their opinion; nothing bad about that.
See, this technology can allow the printing of fully clothed models -- the children can then look, and nothing "damaging" can be seen. However, adults (who know how to get past the child-resistant protections of such things, such as lighters and pill bottles) will know to simply tilt the page a bit, getting their "goods."
I'd know those dorm rooms anywhere.. and beds, chairs, bouch, heaters, curtains, windows (oh, and desk lamp too -- though I thought those weren't in the rooms. Must be second floor, trash can, a friend had the same table,...)... He's from MTU! And what's further interesting, he lives in West McNair... hrm. Wonder who he is. I don't remember ever seeing him or anything.. But, had I known him, I'd have killed him if he didn't invite me to that show;-D
So.. not much more than this. Just figured I'd provide some information, for those who want to barge in on people's lives and spy on them;-) BTW, MTU is Michigan technological University, WestMcNair is the (you guessed it..) West part of one of the three dorms. Overall, the school may be good for Math/Engineering/other stuff, but that chem class sucked ass (test averages -- 56, 60, 44; final: 69 grade in class: A -- the class did that badly(curve-like stuff, in addition to free extra credit (massive amounts of it))). The CS department.. don't go there for that. I didn't meet a single decent instructor while there, and they all simply want to get out of work in any way possible (I wanted to skip a class on the grounds that I knew the material; I went and talked to the instructor. I offered to write all the programs, take the final, do anything he basically asked. He bitched that it was more work for him to grade the final, or grade the programs, and I was providing _NOTHING_ for him to work with. Right. He never had a suggestion of what I could do, however..). In the end, I took the class, skipped half the days, got 100's on the programs, 72 and 69ish on the midterm/final, AB (they don't have A-/B+.. just AB) in the class. Sigh.
Also, as is said: it doesn't matter how much you study, you still get the same grade.
Anyway, that's enough of my trolling.. hope the info is of interest to some people, perhaps those going back to MTU next year and want to bug the guy for his dremel for half an hour;-)
I thought it was said that _piracy_ helped terrorists. So, I must ask: why, if they have all the pirated software they need (and money from it), would they want to be sure they're in full compliance with software license agreements? Surely if they're set to kill masses and sell software that they have no rights to, they wouldn't have anything against using that pirated software themselves... Or is it something about how OSS is so much more powerful than things like, say, Windows?...
Like a good american, I'm watching the game. Really. I'm only here because it's a break in the commercials. But when it starts again, I'll be right there, watching.. it's a mall box in the upper right corner of my screen, so I can't miss it.
I'm watching.. really I am.. gotta be prepared for the commercials.
I don't believe I've ever had a more difficult couple of paragraphs to read. Please, learn to capitalize letters in places other than when you're yelling. Can't so easily separate sentences in your crap.
Here's a few of my reasons for not using linux: Last version I tried: Gentoo As it went: Download stage 1 ISO. Burn it to a cd, pop it in a pentium 200 system with 64 megs RAM and 2 gigs set aside for linux. Get it all done with stage 1, time for stage 2.. fine.. it gets going, problem booting. For some reason, it would just reboot after loading the kernel with lilo. Perhaps it's lilo doing something.. try grub. same. I did a great many things. Never got the kernel working.
Mandrake/suse/etc: It's been a while (1-1.5 years), but as it normally goes: install, X doesn't work. I can't select a resolution that looks any sort of decent. so I can't see anything, the sides of the screen are curved, etc. USB support just doesn't work, even after reading many many e-mails of others having the same problem, etc.
General: I wanted telnetd so I could telnet in, compile, install stuff.. so, download inet utils. Great.. downloaded, extracted, make. Error. read online as to what it is, "this error will be fixed in the next release next month." That being from a year prior. So, I find official sites, check a great many sources for it... I have the latest up to date package.
Compiling -- I dunno if I've ever gotten a kernel to compile after doing even the slightest bit of configuration.. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with it, but it just crashes (accepting default on any I completely don't know, after reading the provided help)
Stuff doesn't install -- it always errors on compile or install. And it always installs to/usr/bin/local, so it continues using gcc 2.95 when I want it to update to 3.0x. Great. Wasted 12 hours compiling and installing. Whoo. Again, pls.
Docs suck ass. "type man!" Man sucks. It assumes you already know exactly how to use it and just need a reference for a reminder. You can't learn to do jack shit with it. Often, you're told by others to read the man page when you don't even know what command, or combination of commands, to use.
Help -- there is none. E-mail lists, IRC, etc, people just insult you and call you stupid. I guarentee you I am not. When it comes to windows, I can do just about ANYTHING I want to it. If I so wished I could program windows components and drivers. Perhaps it would be more difficult, but at least they'd compile and work, unlike on linux.
FreeBSD: natd: I set it up, nothing.. didn't work. I believe I typed "route add 141.219.76.1", after trying with various combinations of "default" because it had no default route listed, couldn't access ANYTHING at all, etc. Got a call from sys admin. So, they sent someone over to help out. He said "I dunno why this isn't working..." Hardcore Linux user, but still, the two are quite similar. Eventually he got it working by removing the port forwards that were there. I put the same ones back in later because I needed them, still worked.. NOTHING changed from original. Great.
X: it's a fucking piece of shit. I CAN NOT get it to work with 1024x768 @85hz. I used every X configuration thing that was pointed out to me, it always defaulted to 1450x1400 resolution. Looked like complete shit. Hit control alt -, it takes it to 256 colors, and the screen scrolls.. smaller screen resolution, X is still running in the higher. Move mouse to side of screen, watch things scroll over...
Eventually, I get it to a 1024x768 resolution. I have no idea how.. one of the X config utilities I think. So, it's running at 60hz.. I'm on KVM, and the image was off the edge of the monitor. Needs to be 85 hz.. so I add a modeline, set up at 85 hz, no other resolution information in the conf file (only refresh ranges for horizontal/vertical). It runs at 75 hz. Still off the edge of the screen. Edit the mode line based on a doc I found and it got moved to the left a bit.. so it worked. It's copied and pasted pretty much exactly from one that was said to be 1024x768@85hz. It ran at 75hz.
That was FreeBSD... after I got my mouse working, which would go up, left, right, but not down (it would say bytes don't match, resetting mouse or something.. could watch the light on it (optical) turn off when I tried moving it down). seems that was moused.. let X use the mouse directly, and it works as PS2 mouse. No scroll wheel functionality. It's am MS Optical Mouse, with 5 buttons and scroll wheel.. intellimouse protocol doesn't work. I had no scroll wheel support. But, that computer is dead right now (non functioning motherboard), so I can't play. But it was actually working for the most part if the only thing I did was browse web pages. That worked sometimes.
With the same FreeBSD box, nothing could connect to it. It could browse the web, ping other computers on the internal lan and internet, but nothing could do anything with it. Couldn't telnet in, couldn't connect to swat, couldn't ping it.. nothing.
Also, I compiled and installed samba on it. That's how I got swat. Funny thing.. KDE kept bitching about me not having smbclient. I looked.. didn't really see it anywhere. Thought that was supposed to be installed with samba. Guess not.
Just today: SunOS (5.8 I think) I wanted to make a script to set my DISPLAY environment variable. Ok.. simple. setenv DISPLAY myhost:0 worked great on the command line. Add to script, "setenv command not found." Hrm. Tried various "#!/bin/sh",tcsh and it had various errors. "set env DISPLAY....; echo $DISPLAY" would set it, echo would come out right.. it'd work inside the script. Soon as the script exited, the environment var was gone. export was reported as bad command. Great. Never got that one working, either. I also tried copying lines exactly as they were from my.cshrc file, changing the var and contents.. didn't work. Hmm. Worked fine when I ran the.cshrc script, but not mine. How nice. Another inconsistency. Or something. I thought this OS was oh so user friendly now.
I guess that's really about all I can think of right now. Quite a bit of SHIT that really shouldn't be happening. In all cases of installing things, I follow instructions to the word. Also doing things many times, never any of it working.
These are my reasons for not (being able) to run a nix. Heh.. Please, let me know when things actually WORK. You all shout "It's more user friendly than windows!"... perhaps, if all you expect anyone to do it browse web pages without ssl, check (web based) e-mail, and... yeah. That's about all that ever works. Let me know when I should give it another try. Perhaps I will. But for now, I'm FUCKING SICK OF WASTING MY TIME.
I know a GREAT, GREAT many others who have exactly the same problems, and other problems that also shouldn't be there, I and actual hardcore linux users verifying the configuration.
So what is up here? Since when do black holes occupy so much space (I thought they were points)?
Black holes are points, as best I know. Infinite compression sort of thing. However, their effect reaches beyond "point" status. As their gravity increases, their grip on everything also increases. Here, where they say "that it occupies a volume of space about 3 times that of our solar system" they most likely mean that light can't escape that region.
So, it is a point, but the volume, as they say it, is how far its ultimate effect (capturing light) reaches. At great distances, gravity weakens greatly, so much mass is required to reach large distances.
This really annoys me. You people bitch and bitch about GPL violations... "You use this library and didn't GPL your code!" Heh... I understand that it's worth it much of the time, such as when they're putting out distributions, but this kills much of the potential of people and corporations doing things for linux.
Such an example would be drivers... companies don't wanna give out drivers because it'll give away their secrets an such. Just let them violate the GPL on such things.. everyone wins. Linux people get to stop bitching about lack of drivers for the product, the company can sell more of the product since it's supported on yet another OS. Sure, it may be some what unstable since the community can't review it, but at least it'll be in existance. Heh..
Personally, if there was something I would make but didn't wanna give the source out to, I'd make it and release it binary only. If I got bitched at for not providing source, just remove it completely, hurting all the people who're using it.
They only harnessed a lightning bolt ONCE in back to the future. Though I am amazed at how they did it since they didn't have the exact second at which it hit..
But, in this case, without a lightning strike every once in a while, how're they going to keep the batteries charged? we all know perpetual motion doesn't exist.. the friction would take it away. And there's much friction with cars... Maybe a very tall lightning rod, only running it on rainy days?
I'm thinking of those tv's where you can make one channel show up in a box in the corner or something. Basically, 2 things at once. I can see this being something that might be done.. constant commercial free (possibly) shows, with a "commercial channel" in the corner. Since it's on screen all through the show, you wouldn't be able to skip it with tivo and the like. Show producers would pretty much have to start planning around it, so action doesn't get covered up. Now that I think of it, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.. though I assume such ads would have to be banners - silent movies maybe. Any sound would interfere with the original show.
Really, it wouldn't be so bad. One could grow to ignore it, if you so wished, you could probly get something to filter it and put a black box there.. but you'd gain nothing by it, so why? This is one things that would show even through recordings, with really no reason nor good effect from removing it.
Either this seems like a really bad idea or I'm guessing the details wrong... Say you connect to someone who's connected to 3 others. Your ping to the 3 others is then compounded with the guy in between you. If you have 2 people in between, that's your ping plus the ping of both of them.
As one could imagine, this wouldn't work too far out. There'd have to mostly be a central hub for it all.
Also, lack of server = greater ability to cheat. If each client is responsible for its own.. life or death, just modify the exe to not die. Say you get shot, and it's up to the user's client to recognize that. It could just ignore it. Or, if other clients are responsible for it, they could lie and kill someone across the map.
Now, say multiple clients must be in on it.. bad spot there too. Multiple cheaters being one. Another.. the ping issue. Where someone is on one client's screen could be slightly different than on another client's, due to that whole compounded ping thing I mentioned above. So, one client would say "Yeah, he got me," another could say "nah, he missed that guy by a few feet," another could say either way. Far too much chance in such a thing, imo.
I think I had one other thought, but I can't remember it, so 'th th th that's all for now, folks!"
Technical limitation: 72x drives? With a smart card in the middle, won't it weaken the CD a bit and make it more likely to fly apart? 40x may even do it.. dunno for sure.
Other than that, I assume the chip stores the number of installations, and does so with some piece of computer identification. What would happen if you formatted your machine? you may not generate the same id...
Simple comment... The spread is really a benefit. See, in this day and age, we're not so good at such things.. so if the beam was as small as it started, it may be reflected or disturbed in such a way that it would pass right by Earth on its way back. That's what the spread is for. There's a much more likely chance that the beam will hit earth. As for sensitivity.. come on:-P technology will advance between now and then:-)
And besides, if all that fails, just find a concave mirror-planet with the perfect radius that'll make it the same diameter when it gets here as when it left, and problem solved.
I disagree with you on the point of making a corporation back down. It is a good point to get companies to back off -- to not use it. If you can show large companies are against it also, then that's one more hit for us. Of course, something as a "We were wrong and don't support this law based on the rights it takes away" would work much better than them just leaving.. but either way.
Making them not threaten someone is a great point. Things like this really should be put out. The less people threatened with the DMCA, the better.
-DrkShadow
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If they say it was something disruptive or costly to them, it'll go against their case as being something harmful, completely unnecessary. Kinda interested in all they have to say on the issue:-)
I noticed you said it steals bandwidth from other people.. but what about the MONEY that OTHERS would have to pay to cover the bandwidth usage? Your personal ISP must pay their providers, providers likely have deals set up with various other providers to intertwine the networks.. I bet there's quite a bit of money involved in a DOS. Perhaps if we could fax some large and small ISP's about this and get them to bitch at congress a bit -- one big EXTREMELY important industry against another industry -- they'd take note..
Kinda off-topic, but as for company auctions from things like the.com bust, how does one get items from such things? I googled, came across things like the excite@home.. apparently their auction will be at corporate headquarters, likely a long way from me, so things like that are out.. do any auction things online? is there a web list someplace of such going out of business auctions or anything? what're people's experiences with things like price, quality, and.. "newness" of computers that can be gained from such auctions?:-)
Couldn't really think of a better/propper name for it. But, I'm referring to that.. "activity" where a piece of mail was given to someone, and they were told a destination. So it'd pass through a shop owner to a company to a branch in a different country and get to the president sort of thing.. basically, just "fling" it and it starts going in the right direction.
This was thought of with routing. But, it can't work as things are set up now. The reason this works is because they're all grouped. Continents, countries, shop owners, policical candidates and such... computers are just 192.168.0.5. The other IP's can be given out randomly to any place at all.
Antennas like this, if they were to route in the same way, would need to know where they are, where the message wanted to go, in the physical world. Then the other antennas would need to be able to determine if they were between the source and the destination. And to prevent duplicate messages, tell people "I got it!!" like a football game(...).
so.. basically I'm saying until the way computers are groupped/assigned IP's is done in some logical manner like countries, the "human" (flinging? just send it out and hope it gets tehre...) form of routing won't work with computers.
just my comments on a topic that was brought up before..
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Fat32 has a 32gb limit.
I was looking into this the other day, as I was having trouble formatting my 60 gig USB2 hard drive. Funny.. formatted flawlessly in FreeBSD, excluding the fact that I had formatted the _DRIVE_ rather than the partition and windows couldn't read it. But, I got to looking, and MS support says that Windows 9x and 2k can't support fat32 over 32GB. Windows XP, however, has no problem with it.
This was quite annoying, as I always knew they claimed fat32 could cover partitions to 4TB or so...
-DrkShadow
The only problem I see with this is the writing of file permissions. This inhibbits all writing, by its nature. While reading is easy (nothing needs to be modified, just grab the data), writing would at least require an owner and basic security settings. For this, I was thinking just a few days ago that it would never happen. Except, of course, if you simply wrote _everything_ as administrator. If that wasn't the case, it would be extremely difficult to determine whom is what and so on. It would in effect be emulating most of Windows' registry reading, security file interpretation, etc. Might as well just run windows.
However, I can see how it would work simply writing giving basic things such as administrator read access, or perhaps the everyone group. I believe the administrator account, at least, has a relatively fixed ID (based on boot floppies being able to reset the admin passwd -- but that's a different area, so perhaps not).
But, this is something I'd be interested in learning more about. Comments welcome.
-DrkShadow
You seem to also be stating blatantly untrue facts. Lets go over some:
First, passwords are NOT the only, and most likely not the best, method. There are smart cards, swipe cards, fingerprint scanners, etc. The smart cards were used in some places at my previous university -- plug the card in, it logged you in. Unplug, it logged you out, I believe. While for an organization an idle time limit may be more appropriate, this worked. If you forgot your card and you lived in the dorms, you didn't eat at the next meal.. it also served as a swipe for getting into the cafeteria. And lets not forget these were public computers vs a semi personal PC at your own desk. Forgetting a key card there would mean someone else may get your meals or delete your homework, vs someone possibly not even noticing your computer has a card in it when you're not present. One thing to do is make doors swipe access, so you have to have the card and can't go anywhere if you forgot it.
Second, demands from upper management can't completely be fulfilled as THEY want. As a security professional, you need to implement security. Not demands of upper management. They likely wouldn't even know if you do anything or not. (Yes, sir, I implemented a doo bobbidy diggle just the other day. It's like a firewall, but it checks network traffic for anything suspicious.) Implement the security, and if they complain, "More passwords!" explain why that's not the answer and why you, in your professional opinion, feel that's bad. Then suggest an alternative (smart cards).
Third, yes, upper management is responding. They're also most likely doing so without knowing what they have and what it's doing. Perhaps, with the ongoing security checks mentioned in another comment, there should be a yearly or twice yearly brief to management about why what is there and how it will help. If they know what's there, as well as what's NOT there and what can be done about it, they're likely to be more reasonable (see the topics of management seeking assitance outside the IT department because the dept. would just treat them as fools).
Lastly, the part about the three keys is a horrible analogy. If you had three cards to swipe, so be it, I bet you would swipe rather than manually punch in the code printed on the back of the card. Just think if people had to remember the tumbler positions of those keys to get into their house _instead_ of having something easy to plug in -- do you think they'd ever lock their door? They'd likely demand a better system.
So, that's my opinions on your opinions. Eat my shorts.
-DrkShadow
Has anyone else tried these? Some forward me to /kids, completely removing the iraq stuff, others give me 404 errors. Seems they didn't want people getting to "sensitive information" via the robots file...
-DrkShadow
Please, provide your home phone number. I'm sure everyone here is willing to play by the rules when they call you to voice their opinion; nothing bad about that.
So c'mon.. go ahead and post it...
-DrkShadow
It would seem the slashdot community works slightly like a religion. They both throw out commonly accepted things when it doesn't fit what they want.
At least, that's how I view it.
-DrkShadow
Why, it protects the Children, of course.
See, this technology can allow the printing of fully clothed models -- the children can then look, and nothing "damaging" can be seen. However, adults (who know how to get past the child-resistant protections of such things, such as lighters and pill bottles) will know to simply tilt the page a bit, getting their "goods."
You see, it's all better in the end.
-DrkShadow
No, no.. you've got it all wrong. They start off with wind seeds.
And don't forget to alternate the crop every season or you'll ruin the soil -- are they going to alternate wind and storms?...
-DrkShadow
I'd know those dorm rooms anywhere.. and beds, chairs, bouch, heaters, curtains, windows (oh, and desk lamp too -- though I thought those weren't in the rooms. Must be second floor, trash can, a friend had the same table, ...)... He's from MTU! And what's further interesting, he lives in West McNair... hrm. Wonder who he is. I don't remember ever seeing him or anything.. But, had I known him, I'd have killed him if he didn't invite me to that show ;-D
;-) BTW, MTU is Michigan technological University, WestMcNair is the (you guessed it..) West part of one of the three dorms. Overall, the school may be good for Math/Engineering/other stuff, but that chem class sucked ass (test averages -- 56, 60, 44; final: 69 grade in class: A -- the class did that badly(curve-like stuff, in addition to free extra credit (massive amounts of it))). The CS department.. don't go there for that. I didn't meet a single decent instructor while there, and they all simply want to get out of work in any way possible (I wanted to skip a class on the grounds that I knew the material; I went and talked to the instructor. I offered to write all the programs, take the final, do anything he basically asked. He bitched that it was more work for him to grade the final, or grade the programs, and I was providing _NOTHING_ for him to work with. Right. He never had a suggestion of what I could do, however..). In the end, I took the class, skipped half the days, got 100's on the programs, 72 and 69ish on the midterm/final, AB (they don't have A-/B+.. just AB) in the class. Sigh.
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So.. not much more than this. Just figured I'd provide some information, for those who want to barge in on people's lives and spy on them
Also, as is said: it doesn't matter how much you study, you still get the same grade.
Anyway, that's enough of my trolling.. hope the info is of interest to some people, perhaps those going back to MTU next year and want to bug the guy for his dremel for half an hour
-DrkShadow
I thought it was said that _piracy_ helped terrorists. So, I must ask: why, if they have all the pirated software they need (and money from it), would they want to be sure they're in full compliance with software license agreements? Surely if they're set to kill masses and sell software that they have no rights to, they wouldn't have anything against using that pirated software themselves... Or is it something about how OSS is so much more powerful than things like, say, Windows?...
-DrkShadow
Like a good american, I'm watching the game. Really. I'm only here because it's a break in the commercials. But when it starts again, I'll be right there, watching.. it's a mall box in the upper right corner of my screen, so I can't miss it.
I'm watching.. really I am.. gotta be prepared for the commercials.
-DrkShadow
I don't believe I've ever had a more difficult couple of paragraphs to read. Please, learn to capitalize letters in places other than when you're yelling. Can't so easily separate sentences in your crap.
-DrkShadow
Here's a few of my reasons for not using linux:
/usr/bin/local, so it continues using gcc 2.95 when I want it to update to 3.0x. Great. Wasted 12 hours compiling and installing. Whoo. Again, pls.
/bin/sh",tcsh and it had various errors. "set env DISPLAY ....; echo $DISPLAY" would set it, echo would come out right.. it'd work inside the script. Soon as the script exited, the environment var was gone. export was reported as bad command. Great. Never got that one working, either. I also tried copying lines exactly as they were from my .cshrc file, changing the var and contents.. didn't work. Hmm. Worked fine when I ran the .cshrc script, but not mine. How nice. Another inconsistency. Or something. I thought this OS was oh so user friendly now.
... perhaps, if all you expect anyone to do it browse web pages without ssl, check (web based) e-mail, and... yeah. That's about all that ever works. Let me know when I should give it another try. Perhaps I will. But for now, I'm FUCKING SICK OF WASTING MY TIME.
Last version I tried: Gentoo
As it went:
Download stage 1 ISO. Burn it to a cd, pop it in a pentium 200 system with 64 megs RAM and 2 gigs set aside for linux. Get it all done with stage 1, time for stage 2.. fine.. it gets going, problem booting. For some reason, it would just reboot after loading the kernel with lilo. Perhaps it's lilo doing something.. try grub. same. I did a great many things. Never got the kernel working.
Mandrake/suse/etc:
It's been a while (1-1.5 years), but as it normally goes: install, X doesn't work. I can't select a resolution that looks any sort of decent. so I can't see anything, the sides of the screen are curved, etc. USB support just doesn't work, even after reading many many e-mails of others having the same problem, etc.
General:
I wanted telnetd so I could telnet in, compile, install stuff.. so, download inet utils. Great.. downloaded, extracted, make. Error. read online as to what it is, "this error will be fixed in the next release next month." That being from a year prior. So, I find official sites, check a great many sources for it... I have the latest up to date package.
Compiling -- I dunno if I've ever gotten a kernel to compile after doing even the slightest bit of configuration.. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with it, but it just crashes (accepting default on any I completely don't know, after reading the provided help)
Stuff doesn't install -- it always errors on compile or install. And it always installs to
Docs suck ass. "type man!" Man sucks. It assumes you already know exactly how to use it and just need a reference for a reminder. You can't learn to do jack shit with it. Often, you're told by others to read the man page when you don't even know what command, or combination of commands, to use.
Help -- there is none. E-mail lists, IRC, etc, people just insult you and call you stupid. I guarentee you I am not. When it comes to windows, I can do just about ANYTHING I want to it. If I so wished I could program windows components and drivers. Perhaps it would be more difficult, but at least they'd compile and work, unlike on linux.
FreeBSD:
natd:
I set it up, nothing.. didn't work. I believe I typed "route add 141.219.76.1", after trying with various combinations of "default" because it had no default route listed, couldn't access ANYTHING at all, etc. Got a call from sys admin. So, they sent someone over to help out. He said "I dunno why this isn't working..." Hardcore Linux user, but still, the two are quite similar. Eventually he got it working by removing the port forwards that were there. I put the same ones back in later because I needed them, still worked.. NOTHING changed from original. Great.
X:
it's a fucking piece of shit. I CAN NOT get it to work with 1024x768 @85hz. I used every X configuration thing that was pointed out to me, it always defaulted to 1450x1400 resolution. Looked like complete shit. Hit control alt -, it takes it to 256 colors, and the screen scrolls.. smaller screen resolution, X is still running in the higher. Move mouse to side of screen, watch things scroll over...
Eventually, I get it to a 1024x768 resolution. I have no idea how.. one of the X config utilities I think. So, it's running at 60hz.. I'm on KVM, and the image was off the edge of the monitor. Needs to be 85 hz.. so I add a modeline, set up at 85 hz, no other resolution information in the conf file (only refresh ranges for horizontal/vertical). It runs at 75 hz. Still off the edge of the screen. Edit the mode line based on a doc I found and it got moved to the left a bit.. so it worked. It's copied and pasted pretty much exactly from one that was said to be 1024x768@85hz. It ran at 75hz.
That was FreeBSD... after I got my mouse working, which would go up, left, right, but not down (it would say bytes don't match, resetting mouse or something.. could watch the light on it (optical) turn off when I tried moving it down). seems that was moused.. let X use the mouse directly, and it works as PS2 mouse. No scroll wheel functionality. It's am MS Optical Mouse, with 5 buttons and scroll wheel.. intellimouse protocol doesn't work. I had no scroll wheel support. But, that computer is dead right now (non functioning motherboard), so I can't play. But it was actually working for the most part if the only thing I did was browse web pages. That worked sometimes.
With the same FreeBSD box, nothing could connect to it. It could browse the web, ping other computers on the internal lan and internet, but nothing could do anything with it. Couldn't telnet in, couldn't connect to swat, couldn't ping it.. nothing.
Also, I compiled and installed samba on it. That's how I got swat. Funny thing.. KDE kept bitching about me not having smbclient. I looked.. didn't really see it anywhere. Thought that was supposed to be installed with samba. Guess not.
Just today: SunOS (5.8 I think)
I wanted to make a script to set my DISPLAY environment variable. Ok.. simple.
setenv DISPLAY myhost:0
worked great on the command line. Add to script, "setenv command not found." Hrm. Tried various "#!
I guess that's really about all I can think of right now. Quite a bit of SHIT that really shouldn't be happening. In all cases of installing things, I follow instructions to the word. Also doing things many times, never any of it working.
These are my reasons for not (being able) to run a nix. Heh.. Please, let me know when things actually WORK. You all shout "It's more user friendly than windows!"
I know a GREAT, GREAT many others who have exactly the same problems, and other problems that also shouldn't be there, I and actual hardcore linux users verifying the configuration.
-DrkShadow
So what is up here? Since when do black holes occupy so much space (I thought they were points)?
Black holes are points, as best I know. Infinite compression sort of thing. However, their effect reaches beyond "point" status. As their gravity increases, their grip on everything also increases. Here, where they say "that it occupies a volume of space about 3 times that of our solar system" they most likely mean that light can't escape that region.
So, it is a point, but the volume, as they say it, is how far its ultimate effect (capturing light) reaches. At great distances, gravity weakens greatly, so much mass is required to reach large distances.
My clarification.
-DrkShadow
This really annoys me. You people bitch and bitch about GPL violations... "You use this library and didn't GPL your code!" Heh... I understand that it's worth it much of the time, such as when they're putting out distributions, but this kills much of the potential of people and corporations doing things for linux.
Such an example would be drivers... companies don't wanna give out drivers because it'll give away their secrets an such. Just let them violate the GPL on such things.. everyone wins. Linux people get to stop bitching about lack of drivers for the product, the company can sell more of the product since it's supported on yet another OS. Sure, it may be some what unstable since the community can't review it, but at least it'll be in existance. Heh..
Personally, if there was something I would make but didn't wanna give the source out to, I'd make it and release it binary only. If I got bitched at for not providing source, just remove it completely, hurting all the people who're using it.
-DrkShadow
They only harnessed a lightning bolt ONCE in back to the future. Though I am amazed at how they did it since they didn't have the exact second at which it hit..
But, in this case, without a lightning strike every once in a while, how're they going to keep the batteries charged? we all know perpetual motion doesn't exist.. the friction would take it away. And there's much friction with cars... Maybe a very tall lightning rod, only running it on rainy days?
-DrkShadow
I'm thinking of those tv's where you can make one channel show up in a box in the corner or something. Basically, 2 things at once. I can see this being something that might be done.. constant commercial free (possibly) shows, with a "commercial channel" in the corner. Since it's on screen all through the show, you wouldn't be able to skip it with tivo and the like. Show producers would pretty much have to start planning around it, so action doesn't get covered up. Now that I think of it, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.. though I assume such ads would have to be banners - silent movies maybe. Any sound would interfere with the original show.
Really, it wouldn't be so bad. One could grow to ignore it, if you so wished, you could probly get something to filter it and put a black box there.. but you'd gain nothing by it, so why? This is one things that would show even through recordings, with really no reason nor good effect from removing it.
-DrkShadow
Either this seems like a really bad idea or I'm guessing the details wrong... Say you connect to someone who's connected to 3 others. Your ping to the 3 others is then compounded with the guy in between you. If you have 2 people in between, that's your ping plus the ping of both of them.
.. life or death, just modify the exe to not die. Say you get shot, and it's up to the user's client to recognize that. It could just ignore it. Or, if other clients are responsible for it, they could lie and kill someone across the map.
As one could imagine, this wouldn't work too far out. There'd have to mostly be a central hub for it all.
Also, lack of server = greater ability to cheat. If each client is responsible for its own
Now, say multiple clients must be in on it.. bad spot there too. Multiple cheaters being one. Another.. the ping issue. Where someone is on one client's screen could be slightly different than on another client's, due to that whole compounded ping thing I mentioned above. So, one client would say "Yeah, he got me," another could say "nah, he missed that guy by a few feet," another could say either way. Far too much chance in such a thing, imo.
I think I had one other thought, but I can't remember it, so 'th th th that's all for now, folks!"
-DrkShadow
Technical limitation: 72x drives? With a smart card in the middle, won't it weaken the CD a bit and make it more likely to fly apart? 40x may even do it.. dunno for sure.
Other than that, I assume the chip stores the number of installations, and does so with some piece of computer identification. What would happen if you formatted your machine? you may not generate the same id...
-DrkShadow
Simple comment... The spread is really a benefit. See, in this day and age, we're not so good at such things.. so if the beam was as small as it started, it may be reflected or disturbed in such a way that it would pass right by Earth on its way back. That's what the spread is for. There's a much more likely chance that the beam will hit earth. As for sensitivity.. come on :-P technology will advance between now and then :-)
And besides, if all that fails, just find a concave mirror-planet with the perfect radius that'll make it the same diameter when it gets here as when it left, and problem solved.
-DrkShadow
I disagree with you on the point of making a corporation back down. It is a good point to get companies to back off -- to not use it. If you can show large companies are against it also, then that's one more hit for us. Of course, something as a "We were wrong and don't support this law based on the rights it takes away" would work much better than them just leaving.. but either way.
Making them not threaten someone is a great point. Things like this really should be put out. The less people threatened with the DMCA, the better.
-DrkShadow
If they say it was something disruptive or costly to them, it'll go against their case as being something harmful, completely unnecessary. Kinda interested in all they have to say on the issue :-)
-DrkShadow
I noticed you said it steals bandwidth from other people.. but what about the MONEY that OTHERS would have to pay to cover the bandwidth usage? Your personal ISP must pay their providers, providers likely have deals set up with various other providers to intertwine the networks.. I bet there's quite a bit of money involved in a DOS. Perhaps if we could fax some large and small ISP's about this and get them to bitch at congress a bit -- one big EXTREMELY important industry against another industry -- they'd take note..
-DrkShadow
Kinda off-topic, but as for company auctions from things like the .com bust, how does one get items from such things? I googled, came across things like the excite@home.. apparently their auction will be at corporate headquarters, likely a long way from me, so things like that are out.. do any auction things online? is there a web list someplace of such going out of business auctions or anything? what're people's experiences with things like price, quality, and .. "newness" of computers that can be gained from such auctions? :-)
-DrkShadow
Couldn't really think of a better/propper name for it. But, I'm referring to that .. "activity" where a piece of mail was given to someone, and they were told a destination. So it'd pass through a shop owner to a company to a branch in a different country and get to the president sort of thing.. basically, just "fling" it and it starts going in the right direction.
This was thought of with routing. But, it can't work as things are set up now. The reason this works is because they're all grouped. Continents, countries, shop owners, policical candidates and such... computers are just 192.168.0.5. The other IP's can be given out randomly to any place at all.
Antennas like this, if they were to route in the same way, would need to know where they are, where the message wanted to go, in the physical world. Then the other antennas would need to be able to determine if they were between the source and the destination. And to prevent duplicate messages, tell people "I got it!!" like a football game(...).
so.. basically I'm saying until the way computers are groupped/assigned IP's is done in some logical manner like countries, the "human" (flinging? just send it out and hope it gets tehre...) form of routing won't work with computers.
just my comments on a topic that was brought up before..
-DrkShadow