It is true that bacterial spores can last a long time. Anthrax spores have been viable after more than 20 years within the human body. Anthrax is also endemic in the soil in many places and may even survive 100+ years. However, bacterial spores are viable on a timescale of tens of years, not the hundreds of thousands or millions that Mars has been hot/cold and dry. We cannot even extract DNA from anything older than several thousand years. It definitely WOULD be suprising if Martian bacteria survived on the million year timescale, incredibly surprising.
It is possible (I mean everything has a non-zero probability) that all of a sudden native Martian life will flourish if we provide the right conditions, but it is definitel very improbable.
I despite the general "far fetchedness" of this article. I think the wackiest part is that somehow we might revive organisms on Mars. Mars has been the way it is for a pretty long time now. Any organisms that might live there would be very specially adapted to their (probably very hostile) environment. Mostl ikely we would just kill anything that was living there.
It would pretty much be like going down to the geothermal vents under the ocean and plugging them with concrete to make it more habitable down there, then expecting that to "revive" the organisms living down there.
Definitely... you have to remember that Sony has deep deep pockets. A $10M is an inconvenience not a deterrent. However, one might imagine that DJs make less money than Sony. So even a $1M fine would be prohibitively expensive. If Sony can sue music pirates absurdly vast amounts of money I don't see why the American public couldn't sue bribe taking DJ's for obscenely vast sums of money. They airwaves do belong to us as American citizens. (for those that are here in the US)
I think the most hilarious aspect of this whole thing is the incredibly niche audience that might actually get this mod. The gaming community while large is still only the people with enough money to spend on a decent computer, enough money to shell out ~$50 for a game, and enough time and nerdliness ot find "Hot Coffee" and set it up. The media frenzy around this has only served o make more people interested.
I must say I have a decent system and spend the occasional $50 on the hottest new games, but I probably never would have heard about this unless I saw Senator Clinton making it her personal crusade.
This is one of the really amazong stories to come out of modern genetics. There is an excellent book (for all people not just scientists) called The Seven Daughters of Eve which guides you thorugh the basics of the science. (The title despite its religious overtone is really about the 7 women that 95% of all Europeans can trace their ancestry to).
There are also technical papers (there are tons but these are good places to start) here and here (this one discusses the long unknown origins of Pacific Islanders which was one of the early successes of this technique).
This study is an incredible combination of biologic science and social science, which could has the possibility to answer questions that are not able to be answered by traditional archaelogy and anthropology. It is quite amazing to think that our ancestry has been preserved, not in rock and artifact, but in our own living bodies.
As someone entering the field of genetics and cellular biology I have to agree that we definitely have a lot more to learn that we have learned to date.
However, to say "Just because we can do something, doesn't mean we should," is probably not true in this case.
Researchers can already make specific point changes to DNA, this just seems like it will speed things up and do it more cleanly. This is what is going to help us learn more about gene expression. Because often the best way to learn about a system is changing how it normally runs. That has been the dogma in cellular biology and genetics for a long time. To find out how systems work scientist make mutations. Stop the function of processes and find out why they stopped, whats necessary and whats important.
...I am fairly certain that the only way to get this done is by causing the IDE hard drive to fall from a metal catwalk into liquid metal. I tried using liquid nitrogen and a hammer once but when I woke up in the morning the hard drive was reconstituted back inside my box and all the data was intact.
I am pretty sure that SATA drives need a priest, holy water, a crucifix, and a copy of the Roman rituals.
And I just use a shotgun (or chainsaw) on my CD-RW's because the only way to stop them is by "removing the head, or destroying the brain."
A whole chorus line of Orcs in straw boater hats with Canes dancing around Minas Morgul while an off stage voice sings a (very baritone) ditty about crushing all the friends of the light.
[lights fade as Mount Doom erupts dramatically in the background and immediately fade in stage left]
A drunk Sam and Frodo jaunt through the Shire [stage right to left] singing "You are my sunshine, my only sunshine..."
[qeue Gandalf stage left]
Startled Hobbits quickly turn to overjoyed hobbits and hug the old Wizard. However they are quickly stricken with panic as Gandalf throws the ring round Frodo's neck and tells him to get to Mount Doom.
[the entire cast of Heroes enters stage left]
All the heroes (backed by a chorus of elves in armor and Rohirrim on horseback) sing an uplifting ballad about hope in the darkest hour.
[curtain falls on Frodo down on one knee spotlighted center stage]
INTERMISSION
An invisible Frodo is wrestling with Gollum on the brink of Mount Doom. Gollum bites off Frodo's finger falling into pit, destroing ring.
[Final chorus enters... everyone together... orcs hand in hand with hobbits... and Sauron arm in arm with Aragorn... Saruman and Gnadalf holding both hands crossed in center and spinning]
I am not really sure that is a likely scenario. Things that we use to kill bacteria are "highly conserved" genetically. That is because bacterial metabolism is basically the same and has been most likely for a very very long time. Anything that thaws out of 32,000 year old ice will likely be just like normal old today bacteria. We should probably worry more about things like viruses from today or bio-terrorism.
I think we can safely say that there are a lot of people out there that want legal music. While you may be ok with downloading illegal music there are other people that might not either for moral or legal reasons. Many colleges outright block filesharing apps so students need some way to get music. So it is often less about compensating the artist as it is getting the music, that otherwise might not be available. (Also my girlfriend is a Russian Language major and its the only way she can get Russian music)
So taking it as a given that there are people that want to download "legal" music why would anyone use anything but allofmp3.com? It makes no sense to pay more money to Apple or Napster for songs loaded with DRM. Even with Napster's new pay per month service the music apparently deactivates after you stop buying a subscription (at least this is whatI hear). Allofmp3.com provides cheap as hell "legal' downloads, because you can sue the company for breaking the law but not the consumers that bought from the company. The same way that customers wouldn't be liable if Best Buy was selling stolen goods claiming them to be new.
The UN does not have the authority to take control of anything. The hardware simply isn't theirs to begin with. Why should people not paying for the technology get to decide how it is used? Companies that control the net will naturally do what is best for their customers. ICANN provides some order and oversight, but why would anyone go though the effort to turn their responsibilites over to the ITU?
People keep mentioning the good stuff the ITU "does." They don't really do that much. It's not as if they didn't exist we wouldn't be able to call other countries. Companies will make it possible to communicate globally because they can make tons of money doing it. And if one company has an expensive proprietary system that won't let you call China there will be another company that will come along and offer the same service with calls to China for less forcing the first company to do the same only slightly cheaper/better. It's called capitalism, it works, companies and countries that use it make money, those that don't don't.
So perhaps the worst thing we could do is turn over what ICANN does to a body that has such sterling members as North Korea, Iran, etc, and whose agenda is about as straight forward as an acid trip. The UN can't get anything done, so why does anyone think they could keep up with something as fast paced and dynamic as the largest communication system ever? I have no great love for ICANN but the UN... I am surprised anyone would take this idea seriously (not to be a troll but I am really suprised)
...or my girlfriend who plugged a Maxtor powercord into an S-video out port on the back of the shuttle that I gave her. Apparently they fit in and run 6V into the motherboard effectively toasting your average Shuttle.
I am suprised girlfriend, siblings, or parents didn't make the list.
I will say this in defense of the anti-MS sentiment here. I have a mac laptop and a PC desktop that sit right next to each other on my desk. I am on a very reliable and well maintained network and have SP2 and all the most recent updates running with the MS firewall. I have virus software that updates routinely as well.
Now I have NEVER had a problem with my Mac. The PC ruunning MS is literally like a timebomb. I know that nothing bad has happened recently but you know its coming and that pisses me off. Sometimes I feel like I am not even in control of my own system. I never get that feeling with the Mac.
I just have trouble understanding why my sister who knows very little about computers and certainly not how to fix broken ones would immediately jump to a Windows based PC over a OSX based Mac. She has the money for either and she KNOWS that she will never have a problem with the mac. I am convinced that Windows runs some kind of brainwashing in their video drivers or something. It makes me happy that they are patching what makes me worried is that it never seems to be enough. They have to earn back my respect.
PS: Yeah the constant MS bashing does start grating on one
I think one of the coolest things relating to phsysical access I have ever heard of is what they do with data storage at Langley. Now I heard this from someone that I generally trust but seeing as things are I haven't backed it up with my local CIA stringer.
I hear they put phosphorus blocks on top of all of the most sensative data storage. This way if they were ever attacked or compramised or whatever they have the most paranoid people thinking of they can just pop a button and *WHOOSH* they expose the phosphorus to oxygen in the air and the whole apparatus in essentially vaporized.
This entire argument all depends on what you are looking at. Do toys liscenced from movies count? Do graphics cards count for the game industry? Do you count movies based on video games in both categories? The take home message here is that if you look at simply movie box office compared to game purchases you see the gaming industry ahead. This is not really a pissing contest between which is better (I like both myself) but more of an analysis of a market trend. Movies make a lot of money and have for a long time. Video games used to make very little money, but now are making a lot. It is probably not really useful to try and figure out "which one's on top" anyway. All this means is that you should sell all your shares in Disney and move them to one of the several gaming houses... that is the real message here.
And another thing: chemically, DNA is almost heroically unchanging. It is among the most unreactive, inert molecules in the biological world. That means data integrity, a Good Thing.
Hrmmm.... as a cellular biologist I must protest. Some DNA is "heroically unchanging". Some is actually incredibly variable. What is truly impressive is the ability of biological systems to squelch DNA mutations (ie change/damage) by killing damaged cells before they can copy themselves and repairing DNA damage. Without these repair mechanisms cell lines that would normally live literally forever if allowed to grow in sufficeint media (immortal cancer cell lines) die because of DNA damage by UV light in a matter of hours. So under the right conditions, the right DNA can be "heroically unchangeable" but it is not nearly that simple. The number of DNA samples that I have lost in lab due to degredation can attest to that.
I am not yet ready to lay all my trust in DNA for data storage, although I am sure that there are more short-term memory needs on the nano scale that DNA is perfect for.
Hahaha... to think that all this research money is being wasted on improving our intelligence and athletic ability when all most of us want to do is dissolve our neural tissue in ethanol and jack our synapse activity through the roof with herbal remedies.
And now they tell us that a couple of drinks a day will reduce heart disease and getting high will improve our athletic ability!? Just what are these "scientists" trying to pull here. Just give me the days when booze killed you a little every sip and weed was a mind altering hellstorm that was only fit for beatniks and hippies (excluding of course our favorite Grateful Dead lyricist and EFF wunderkind)
The proof is in the pudding (aahhhh yes Cosby where have you gone?)
But the truth of the matter is that it is true. It is absolutely a matter of trust.
It does not matter one iota how much something is signed if it simply doesn't live up to its security claims. With the security holes big enough to drive a truck through in IE is the digital signature on it or any other "signed" software really worth anything?
I tend to use software that the IT guys where I work use.. and well they are all Firefox users (even the mac guys).
as my dad said after reading this article (he is a new Firefox convert) "Martha Stewart could sign a pile dog sh++ but I still wouldn't serve it to my friends and family"
Oh but it does! For those of you geeks out there that want to sire children destined to be cynical, smart, and socially malajusted (the three s's of geekdom) let us take a moment to thank whatever god we wish for tables and the airplane tray table, may it never be in its full an upright position when laptops are involved (for the sake of our male full and upright position)
Another problem with your "theory" is that you have obviously never studied atmospheric chemistry. The reason that you see the thinest is more complex than simply where CFCs are produced, especailly considering CFC's dissolve throughout the atmosphere in about a year.
A quick fix for FireFox 1.0: -In the "Tools" menu open "Options..." -Click on the "Web Features" pane -Then click the "Advanced..." button -In the "Advaced JavaScript Options window that opens up deselect "Raise lower windows"
This seems to stop this specific exploit without disabling all JavaScripts, with and without pop-up blocking.
I am not sure how useful this is amongst the tech crowd, but it could save your artist wife, novelist husband, or fifth grader (who is oddly online banking) from giving out account info.
I mean this isn't meant to offend, but those instructions aren't that bad. I consider myslef reasonably smart and was able to nail it on the first try. I think what we are seeing here is the Slashdot community drive for extreme technical perfection.
But who am I kidding I love it.
Slashdot Mirror
It is true that bacterial spores can last a long time. Anthrax spores have been viable after more than 20 years within the human body. Anthrax is also endemic in the soil in many places and may even survive 100+ years. However, bacterial spores are viable on a timescale of tens of years, not the hundreds of thousands or millions that Mars has been hot/cold and dry. We cannot even extract DNA from anything older than several thousand years. It definitely WOULD be suprising if Martian bacteria survived on the million year timescale, incredibly surprising. It is possible (I mean everything has a non-zero probability) that all of a sudden native Martian life will flourish if we provide the right conditions, but it is definitel very improbable.
I despite the general "far fetchedness" of this article. I think the wackiest part is that somehow we might revive organisms on Mars. Mars has been the way it is for a pretty long time now. Any organisms that might live there would be very specially adapted to their (probably very hostile) environment. Mostl ikely we would just kill anything that was living there.
It would pretty much be like going down to the geothermal vents under the ocean and plugging them with concrete to make it more habitable down there, then expecting that to "revive" the organisms living down there.
Definitely... you have to remember that Sony has deep deep pockets. A $10M is an inconvenience not a deterrent. However, one might imagine that DJs make less money than Sony. So even a $1M fine would be prohibitively expensive. If Sony can sue music pirates absurdly vast amounts of money I don't see why the American public couldn't sue bribe taking DJ's for obscenely vast sums of money. They airwaves do belong to us as American citizens. (for those that are here in the US)
I think the most hilarious aspect of this whole thing is the incredibly niche audience that might actually get this mod. The gaming community while large is still only the people with enough money to spend on a decent computer, enough money to shell out ~$50 for a game, and enough time and nerdliness ot find "Hot Coffee" and set it up. The media frenzy around this has only served o make more people interested. I must say I have a decent system and spend the occasional $50 on the hottest new games, but I probably never would have heard about this unless I saw Senator Clinton making it her personal crusade.
Uhhh maybe you missed "Shaun of The Dead??"
"...removing the head, or destroying the brain."
This is one of the really amazong stories to come out of modern genetics. There is an excellent book (for all people not just scientists) called The Seven Daughters of Eve which guides you thorugh the basics of the science. (The title despite its religious overtone is really about the 7 women that 95% of all Europeans can trace their ancestry to).
There are also technical papers (there are tons but these are good places to start) here and here (this one discusses the long unknown origins of Pacific Islanders which was one of the early successes of this technique).
This study is an incredible combination of biologic science and social science, which could has the possibility to answer questions that are not able to be answered by traditional archaelogy and anthropology. It is quite amazing to think that our ancestry has been preserved, not in rock and artifact, but in our own living bodies.
These samples are generally going to mitochondrial DNA, which isn't much use in identifying you as you and not someone else.
As someone entering the field of genetics and cellular biology I have to agree that we definitely have a lot more to learn that we have learned to date.
However, to say "Just because we can do something, doesn't mean we should," is probably not true in this case.
Researchers can already make specific point changes to DNA, this just seems like it will speed things up and do it more cleanly. This is what is going to help us learn more about gene expression. Because often the best way to learn about a system is changing how it normally runs. That has been the dogma in cellular biology and genetics for a long time. To find out how systems work scientist make mutations. Stop the function of processes and find out why they stopped, whats necessary and whats important.
...I am fairly certain that the only way to get this done is by causing the IDE hard drive to fall from a metal catwalk into liquid metal. I tried using liquid nitrogen and a hammer once but when I woke up in the morning the hard drive was reconstituted back inside my box and all the data was intact.
I am pretty sure that SATA drives need a priest, holy water, a crucifix, and a copy of the Roman rituals.
And I just use a shotgun (or chainsaw) on my CD-RW's because the only way to stop them is by "removing the head, or destroying the brain."
A whole chorus line of Orcs in straw boater hats with Canes dancing around Minas Morgul while an off stage voice sings a (very baritone) ditty about crushing all the friends of the light.
[lights fade as Mount Doom erupts dramatically in the background and immediately fade in stage left]
A drunk Sam and Frodo jaunt through the Shire [stage right to left] singing "You are my sunshine, my only sunshine..."
[qeue Gandalf stage left]
Startled Hobbits quickly turn to overjoyed hobbits and hug the old Wizard. However they are quickly stricken with panic as Gandalf throws the ring round Frodo's neck and tells him to get to Mount Doom.
[the entire cast of Heroes enters stage left]
All the heroes (backed by a chorus of elves in armor and Rohirrim on horseback) sing an uplifting ballad about hope in the darkest hour.
[curtain falls on Frodo down on one knee spotlighted center stage]
INTERMISSION
An invisible Frodo is wrestling with Gollum on the brink of Mount Doom. Gollum bites off Frodo's finger falling into pit, destroing ring.
[Final chorus enters... everyone together... orcs hand in hand with hobbits... and Sauron arm in arm with Aragorn... Saruman and Gnadalf holding both hands crossed in center and spinning]
Sing about good vs. evil
FIN
I am not really sure that is a likely scenario. Things that we use to kill bacteria are "highly conserved" genetically. That is because bacterial metabolism is basically the same and has been most likely for a very very long time. Anything that thaws out of 32,000 year old ice will likely be just like normal old today bacteria. We should probably worry more about things like viruses from today or bio-terrorism.
I think we can safely say that there are a lot of people out there that want legal music. While you may be ok with downloading illegal music there are other people that might not either for moral or legal reasons. Many colleges outright block filesharing apps so students need some way to get music. So it is often less about compensating the artist as it is getting the music, that otherwise might not be available. (Also my girlfriend is a Russian Language major and its the only way she can get Russian music)
So taking it as a given that there are people that want to download "legal" music why would anyone use anything but allofmp3.com? It makes no sense to pay more money to Apple or Napster for songs loaded with DRM. Even with Napster's new pay per month service the music apparently deactivates after you stop buying a subscription (at least this is whatI hear). Allofmp3.com provides cheap as hell "legal' downloads, because you can sue the company for breaking the law but not the consumers that bought from the company. The same way that customers wouldn't be liable if Best Buy was selling stolen goods claiming them to be new.
The UN does not have the authority to take control of anything. The hardware simply isn't theirs to begin with. Why should people not paying for the technology get to decide how it is used? Companies that control the net will naturally do what is best for their customers. ICANN provides some order and oversight, but why would anyone go though the effort to turn their responsibilites over to the ITU?
People keep mentioning the good stuff the ITU "does." They don't really do that much. It's not as if they didn't exist we wouldn't be able to call other countries. Companies will make it possible to communicate globally because they can make tons of money doing it. And if one company has an expensive proprietary system that won't let you call China there will be another company that will come along and offer the same service with calls to China for less forcing the first company to do the same only slightly cheaper/better. It's called capitalism, it works, companies and countries that use it make money, those that don't don't.
So perhaps the worst thing we could do is turn over what ICANN does to a body that has such sterling members as North Korea, Iran, etc, and whose agenda is about as straight forward as an acid trip. The UN can't get anything done, so why does anyone think they could keep up with something as fast paced and dynamic as the largest communication system ever? I have no great love for ICANN but the UN... I am surprised anyone would take this idea seriously (not to be a troll but I am really suprised)
...or my girlfriend who plugged a Maxtor powercord into an S-video out port on the back of the shuttle that I gave her. Apparently they fit in and run 6V into the motherboard effectively toasting your average Shuttle. I am suprised girlfriend, siblings, or parents didn't make the list.
I will say this in defense of the anti-MS sentiment here. I have a mac laptop and a PC desktop that sit right next to each other on my desk. I am on a very reliable and well maintained network and have SP2 and all the most recent updates running with the MS firewall. I have virus software that updates routinely as well.
Now I have NEVER had a problem with my Mac. The PC ruunning MS is literally like a timebomb. I know that nothing bad has happened recently but you know its coming and that pisses me off. Sometimes I feel like I am not even in control of my own system. I never get that feeling with the Mac.
I just have trouble understanding why my sister who knows very little about computers and certainly not how to fix broken ones would immediately jump to a Windows based PC over a OSX based Mac. She has the money for either and she KNOWS that she will never have a problem with the mac. I am convinced that Windows runs some kind of brainwashing in their video drivers or something. It makes me happy that they are patching what makes me worried is that it never seems to be enough. They have to earn back my respect.
PS: Yeah the constant MS bashing does start grating on one
I think one of the coolest things relating to phsysical access I have ever heard of is what they do with data storage at Langley. Now I heard this from someone that I generally trust but seeing as things are I haven't backed it up with my local CIA stringer.
I hear they put phosphorus blocks on top of all of the most sensative data storage. This way if they were ever attacked or compramised or whatever they have the most paranoid people thinking of they can just pop a button and *WHOOSH* they expose the phosphorus to oxygen in the air and the whole apparatus in essentially vaporized.
Can anyone back me up on that? Urban myth?
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ALTEC LANSING FX6021 2.1 Multimedia Speakers
Lian-Li Silver ATX Full Tower Case, Model "PC-V2000A"
ASUS "K8V SE Deluxe" K8T800 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU
PQI Dual Channel Kit 240-Pin 2GB (1GB X 2) DDR2 PC2-4200
AMD Athlon 64 3700+, Socket 754, 1MB L2 Cache 64-bit Processor
ETC.
ETC.
ETC.
This entire argument all depends on what you are looking at. Do toys liscenced from movies count? Do graphics cards count for the game industry? Do you count movies based on video games in both categories? The take home message here is that if you look at simply movie box office compared to game purchases you see the gaming industry ahead. This is not really a pissing contest between which is better (I like both myself) but more of an analysis of a market trend. Movies make a lot of money and have for a long time. Video games used to make very little money, but now are making a lot. It is probably not really useful to try and figure out "which one's on top" anyway. All this means is that you should sell all your shares in Disney and move them to one of the several gaming houses... that is the real message here.
PS: Do not be taking any stock advice from me.
And another thing: chemically, DNA is almost heroically unchanging. It is among the most unreactive, inert molecules in the biological world. That means data integrity, a Good Thing.
Hrmmm.... as a cellular biologist I must protest. Some DNA is "heroically unchanging". Some is actually incredibly variable. What is truly impressive is the ability of biological systems to squelch DNA mutations (ie change/damage) by killing damaged cells before they can copy themselves and repairing DNA damage. Without these repair mechanisms cell lines that would normally live literally forever if allowed to grow in sufficeint media (immortal cancer cell lines) die because of DNA damage by UV light in a matter of hours. So under the right conditions, the right DNA can be "heroically unchangeable" but it is not nearly that simple. The number of DNA samples that I have lost in lab due to degredation can attest to that.
I am not yet ready to lay all my trust in DNA for data storage, although I am sure that there are more short-term memory needs on the nano scale that DNA is perfect for.
Hahaha... to think that all this research money is being wasted on improving our intelligence and athletic ability when all most of us want to do is dissolve our neural tissue in ethanol and jack our synapse activity through the roof with herbal remedies.
And now they tell us that a couple of drinks a day will reduce heart disease and getting high will improve our athletic ability!? Just what are these "scientists" trying to pull here. Just give me the days when booze killed you a little every sip and weed was a mind altering hellstorm that was only fit for beatniks and hippies (excluding of course our favorite Grateful Dead lyricist and EFF wunderkind)
The proof is in the pudding (aahhhh yes Cosby where have you gone?)
But the truth of the matter is that it is true. It is absolutely a matter of trust.
It does not matter one iota how much something is signed if it simply doesn't live up to its security claims. With the security holes big enough to drive a truck through in IE is the digital signature on it or any other "signed" software really worth anything?
I tend to use software that the IT guys where I work use.. and well they are all Firefox users (even the mac guys).
as my dad said after reading this article (he is a new Firefox convert) "Martha Stewart could sign a pile dog sh++ but I still wouldn't serve it to my friends and family"
Oh but it does! For those of you geeks out there that want to sire children destined to be cynical, smart, and socially malajusted (the three s's of geekdom) let us take a moment to thank whatever god we wish for tables and the airplane tray table, may it never be in its full an upright position when laptops are involved (for the sake of our male full and upright position)
Another problem with your "theory" is that you have obviously never studied atmospheric chemistry. The reason that you see the thinest is more complex than simply where CFCs are produced, especailly considering CFC's dissolve throughout the atmosphere in about a year.
The EPA has an EXCELLENT site http://www.epa.gov/ozone/science/hole/whyant.html that responds (with nice hard irrefutable science) to the misinformed statement above.
A quick fix for FireFox 1.0:
-In the "Tools" menu open "Options..."
-Click on the "Web Features" pane
-Then click the "Advanced..." button
-In the "Advaced JavaScript Options window that opens up deselect "Raise lower windows"
This seems to stop this specific exploit without disabling all JavaScripts, with and without pop-up blocking.
I am not sure how useful this is amongst the tech crowd, but it could save your artist wife, novelist husband, or fifth grader (who is oddly online banking) from giving out account info.
I think that the end of that statement ends with "...Secunia set us up the bomb" or something like that
I mean this isn't meant to offend, but those instructions aren't that bad. I consider myslef reasonably smart and was able to nail it on the first try. I think what we are seeing here is the Slashdot community drive for extreme technical perfection. But who am I kidding I love it.