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Most Common Ways to Kill a PC

Sparky the Service Center Dude writes "PCstats covers the most common ways to kill a PC in this "what not to do" guide. Everything from exploding capacitors, to cat hair, to dodgy components and overclocking account for users killing their own PC's. The most common PC killer? The Power Supply."

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  1. Obligatory Strongbad: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Like used! Slightly Shotgunned.

    1. Re:Obligatory Strongbad: by eobanb · · Score: 5, Funny

      Most common ways to kill a PC

      See previous article, regarding Windows Longhorn Beta.

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    2. Re:Obligatory Strongbad: by nodialtone · · Score: 0

      Damn. Nothing like /. causing a DoS on this site sending everyone there to find out why they are DoS'n themselves. Couldn't get there, slow, then eventually connection timeouts. P.S. Problems I presume, but couldn't verify that.

    3. Re:Obligatory Strongbad: by Lord_coz · · Score: 1

      I once shot several computers execution style with a 44 mag, an ar 15, ak47 8mm mouser, 357 mag and (dramatic pause) a genuine full auto mg42 (sniff ) it was the happiest day of my short life!

  2. /. it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    easiest way ive ever seen

    1. Re:/. it? by Donoho · · Score: 1

      /.'s == Digital Zerg

    2. Re:/. it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      C'mon that's a hoax for sure.

      - Hey, let's fool some /. editor !
      - Hehe, great idea. Will be the first time I bet.
      - Ok, they posted our fake story about hardware melting. Dumb asses :) /usr/sbin/shutdown -h now

      Profit !!!!

    3. Re:/. it? by JNighthawk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Linking a story about killing PCs on Slashdot. Oh, the irony.

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    4. Re:/. it? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2, Funny
      Linking a story about killing PCs on Slashdot. Oh, the irony.

      Yep... It's dead alright.

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    5. Re:/. it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that requires at least some work.
      Most computers have windows pre-installed. Whats easier than buying a dead PC?

    6. Re:/. it? by Trejkaz · · Score: 1

      You forgot the bit about firing Rick Berman out of a cannon. :-|

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  3. Give it to a Windows user. by FrankieBoy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Any one of my users will do.

    1. Re:Give it to a Windows user. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mods are crackheads. This is slashdot. Anything pro Linux of Mac goes.

  4. danger! by PopeAlien · · Score: 4, Funny

    The most common PC killer? The Power Supply.

    I'm tearing mine out right now!

    1. Re:danger! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm wondering just how much of that percentage is caused by not having some type of surge protector between your computer and the wall. I have APCs on all of my computers ever since I learned how to turn one on and I have not once ever had a power supply fail.

      *knocks on wood*

  5. Most common problems by larry2k · · Score: 5, Informative
    Most Common Problems:

    26% PSU and power issues
    23% Bad gear and user negligence
    13% Heatsink related
    15% Assembly and moving
    10% Lightning strike and static
    3% Computer cruelty
    6% USB related
    2% Overclocking

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    1. Re:Most common problems by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

      .001%
      Gunshot.
      Had a drive from a puter which was shot "it ran too slow".
      -nB

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    2. Re:Most common problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, considering that 26+23+13+15+10+3+6+2 only add up to 98, the other 2% must be attributable to user error and logic failure...

    3. Re:Most common problems by larry2k · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think the remaining 2% is for Layer 8 problems

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    4. Re:Most common problems by Y0tsuya · · Score: 1

      And you pulled these very accurate percentage figures out of which orifice?

    5. Re:Most common problems by robbo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wow, considering that very few people actually try to overclock, the percentage of overclockers who fry their systems must be pretty large. Any guesses? 80%? more? less?

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    6. Re:Most common problems by k4_pacific · · Score: 4, Funny

      I saw a piece of hardware documentation once that said "semi-hot-pluggable". Wonder where that fits in?

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    7. Re:Most common problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You left out installing windows.

    8. Re:Most common problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Power spikes and not using a grounded wall socket are probably more common than one thinks... Where I live (in Sweden) most homes don't have grounded wall sockets and as a result most computers here are not grounded.

    9. Re:Most common problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      from goatse?

    10. Re:Most common problems by sconeu · · Score: 4, Funny

      "semi-hot-pluggable". Wonder where that fits in?

      Halfway into the slot?

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    11. Re:Most common problems by AJWM · · Score: 1

      I'll believe power supply. Had one let a whole bunch of magic smoke out of my main desktop machine about a month ago. A few parts survived, but mostly not. On one board a couple of circuit traces were literally vaporized.

      Anyone got a Western Digital WD800BB-32BSA0 with a working electronics board they're willing to sell? (The other drive I had a spare of, swapping the boards let me recover the data.)

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    12. Re:Most common problems by Soporific · · Score: 1

      Probably something like a drive that needs to be spun down, etc. before being removed but the machine will still perform without having to power everything down.

      ~S

    13. Re:Most common problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all pci cards are semi-hotplugable because pci is hotplugable, but they are only semi as the the cards /os need to support hotplugging as well

    14. Re:Most common problems by mog007 · · Score: 1

      I'd say the most common problem with OCed computers is underestimating the cooling. Second would be underestimating your power supply's abilities. Overclocking by itself won't kill anything, so long as proper protective measures are taken.

    15. Re:Most common problems by Mercano · · Score: 2, Funny

      It means you can plug it in when the device is lukewarm. If nessesary, use a hairdryer or a ice pack prior to insertion.

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    16. Re:Most common problems by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      You mean overestimating. If i were to underestimate my cooling power, i would actually be able to safely overclock it more. If i underestimated my PU, i could add more load to it safely.

      You have a valid point though. My CPU and Video card are about 5 years old, and they have been overclocked to about 120% of their normal rating. No issues outside of age and cheap components.

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    17. Re:Most common problems by Scratch-O-Matic · · Score: 2, Funny

      "semi-hot-pluggable"...Wonder where that fits in?

      It depends. Has the warranty expired yet?

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    18. Re:Most common problems by ion_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      15% Assembly and moving

      Darn, i'll have to avoid the mov instruction from now on.

    19. Re:Most common problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1% - Gentoo install from Stage 1 tarball

    20. Re:Most common problems by Paul+d'Aoust · · Score: 1

      wow, I feel so sorry for you. Exact same thing happened to me. A capacitor in the PSU exploded and let out its magic smoke, along with some strange magic stringy things. It toasted an old video card, my new DVD burner, and, yep, a Western Digital hard drive. The controller board was charred and melted in places. (It was a WD300BB though, not a WD800BB.) I lost a project I was almost finished.

      Sooooo I bought a new WD300BB off eBay, and by the time it came in, I'd finished rewriting the stupid project, so I didn't really need to recover any files on it. BUT! the controller board from the new hard drive did work famously, so if you do find a replacement controller board, you have a very good chance at success. One note: I did take care to buy a drive with the exact same model number -- there were a few different WD300BB drives, with different six-digit suffixes.

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    21. Re:Most common problems by cloudmaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      Shocking that such an event would happen to someone who calls it a "puter"...

    22. Re:Most common problems by cgenman · · Score: 2, Informative

      I had a CF to IDE adaptor that was "semi-hot-pluggable." What they meant was it was hot-unpluggable, but if you tried to plug anything into it while hot you were going to crash your system in a mighty hurry.

      Ironically, this one was 10 dollars more than the non-hot-pluggable one, but I never found any advantage in it.

    23. Re:Most common problems by Mandrel · · Score: 1

      A lot of people hotplug PS/2 connectors, but doing that can easily damage the PS/2 port or fry your power supply.

    24. Re:Most common problems by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      It does the minute you try to hotswap the component.

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    25. Re:Most common problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pah, cheap components. One of my clients once showed me a Motorola base station that had taken a round without a hitch. They only found out there was a bullet in it much later when they couldn't pull out one of the FRUs (the bullet had lodged between the board and the frame).

    26. Re:Most common problems by GraemeDonaldson · · Score: 1
      A lot of people hotplug PS/2 connectors, but doing that can easily damage the PS/2 port or fry your power supply.
      Can you back this up with a link or two? I've been hearing this for a long time and honestly I've never had a problem doing it. Is this really risky or just an urban legend?
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    27. Re:Most common problems by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 1

      PS/2 connectors were originally not designed to be "hot plugabble". I am not sure why, but when i worked as a trainee engineer in 1994/1995, we had a high incident of Mouse controller failures where the PS/2 mouse was disconnected or connected whilst the system was switched on. It wouldnt happen straight away, but over time it would fail. Whether this issue still happens now, with modern integrated chipsets, I havent a clue, but you can assume that its still unhealthy.

      This is why in Windows 95 or WIndows 98, if a mouse was not present at startup, the warning box would display "Windows did not detect a mouse connected to your computer. If you have a serial port mouse, you may plug it in now and press enter to continue. If you have a PS/2 mouse, please switch off your computer and then plug it in."

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    28. Re:Most common problems by mrjb · · Score: 1

      How many puters would be shot for 'running too slow'... "It deserved it, it was trying to get away, honestly!"

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    29. Re:Most common problems by Mandrel · · Score: 2, Informative
      Well unlike the USB plug, which is designed to be hot-pluggable by setting the data pins back 1mm from the +5V and GND pins, the PS/2 plug can be inserted in a way that mates the +5V and data lines before the GND is connected. I've certainly experienced hangs, reboots, and sparks from hot plugging PS/2 cables, and a cousin once needed a new power supply after doing it.

      Google searches turn up similar warnings, so I don't think it's a superstition.

      If one wants to hot plug a PS/2 connection I'd suggest: (1), keeping the plug as perpendicular to the socket as possible, and (2), inserting as rapidly as possible.

    30. Re:Most common problems by julesh · · Score: 1

      My stories.

      26% PSU and power issues

      I've had a few PSUs die, but never had one take out any other components as many people here seem to have done. Guess I've been lucky so far.

      I have however (twice) plugged a PC set for 110V AC into a 240V supply. Bang!

      23% Bad gear and user negligence

      Bought 3 Maxtor hard disks last year, all the same model, all of them died within a month of each other. That sounds like bad gear to me.

      13% Heatsink related

      Oh, yeah, I buy el-cheapo CPU fans too. Constantly replacing them. Only once have I had a PSU fan fail, BTW, but the results were... amusing. When I opened the PSU case up to do a post-mortem on why the thing had failed it had melted through several cables. I'm lucky it didn't catch fire.

      15% Assembly and moving
      3% Computer cruelty


      Not sure which of these categories these come under, but hey:

      I've killed a hard disk by running it resting on top of the case and accidentally shorting out some connections on the exposed circuitry.

      I've killed a processor and motherboard by plugging a celeron into a motherboard that just wasn't compatible with it (apparently the pin-outs on celerons changed half way through production; nobody told me this until it was too late!) -- the chip exploded (literally) and took out a fairly large chunk of the motherboard with it.

      10% Lightning strike and static
      6% USB related
      2% Overclocking


      Never (knowingly) had any of these.

    31. Re:Most common problems by mforbes · · Score: 1

      Last year I killed a mobo & PSU with a USB-related problem; I had just bought a new powered 4-port USB hub, and made the mistake of plugging it in to the AC before plugging it in to one of my desktop's USB ports. A little bit of misalignment (due to a bent pin in the desktop's port, of which I was unaware), the mobo's circuit shorted out, and the damned thing went up in flames (literally).

      A few hundred dollars later, I'd repurchased everything & reinstalled the various components myself. Oh well, easy come, easy go.

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    32. Re:Most common problems by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      It can still short the controller boards. It has a low but nonzero chance of happening.

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    33. Re:Most common problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should we lubricate as well?

    34. Re:Most common problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overclocking by itself won't kill anything, so long as proper protective measures are taken.

      Isn't that a bit general... as in, driving a car at 100mph into a brick wall won't kill you, as long as proper protective measures are taken.

    35. Re:Most common problems by Yewbert · · Score: 1
      Bought 3 Maxtor hard disks last year, all the same model, all of them died within a month of each other. That sounds like bad gear to me.

      I bought a 250GB Maxtor S-ATA drive a few months ago, and it died UGLY just recently. I'v enever had trouble with Maxtor before (and I actually like their HD utilities, MaxBlast; but I'm wondering now if I feel like trusting them any more.

      I'm not sure what really caused this crash, but while re-installing a little shareware app (which I've used for years with no problem at all), the installer went off into the weeds, apparently overwrote part of the OS directories or possibly something in the master boot file/record/partition/whatever (not sure), and when I rebooted, I got the 'NTLDR not found' error. Reformatted the boot partition as part of trying to reinstall Win2K, but it wouldn't even finish formatting. Bought a different drive to use for boot, and got the 'NTLDR not found' error after trying to boot to a fresh Win2K install on THAT drive. Finally replaced the &&^$#@$ motherboard, and the new drive works fine. But the old Maxtor 250GB one is so hosed that Disk Manager won't even recognize the former boot partition, and half the data on the larger (~200GB) partition is toast. How the hell to diagnose what went wrong there?

      Oh, I'd had a power outage a couple weeks before this all happened, and that seems to have taken out my *old* UPS (a Merlin-Gerin bought in 1997, so no great loss), and the humidty is pretty low, so I've been causing static shocks all over the place. Generally bad environment? Mebbe so, but that drive is highly suspect to me.

    36. Re:Most common problems by jovetoo · · Score: 1
      PCI is NOT hotpluggable.

      Compaq does have a special PCI hotplug standard and it requires special hardware.

      I dare you to hotplug any PCI hardware.

    37. Re:Most common problems by tenton · · Score: 1

      Not really. Layer 8, PEBKAC, ID10T errors were covered under the "23% Bad gear and user negligence", even if the user wasn't purposely being negligent.

      You know, things like:
      *Using a pair of pliers to get a firewire cable to fit into a USB port.
      *Pressing the "burn" button on the computer to burn a CD and wondering why the computer reset itself (the "burn" button turned out to be on the computer and labelled "reset")
      *Plugging in a new drive and wondering why there were sparks coming out when it was connected
      *Forgetting to pay the electric bill and wondering why their computer didn't work.

      Maybe those should be for a tech support horror story thread (BTW, these have all been users I've run into, at one time or another).

    38. Re:Most common problems by plover · · Score: 1
      I've hotplugged a PCI card before . . . that is, before I realized the motherboard was powered up.

      Come to think of it, it was before the computer stopped working. And it was also before I bought the new motherboard.

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    39. Re:Most common problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Avoiding the brick wall could be considered a protective measure.

  6. A complete list? by jm92956n · · Score: 3, Funny

    Odd. They omitted placing a Microsoft OS onto a computer as a sure-fire way to kill it.

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    1. Re:A complete list? by SubTexel · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      How is parent insightful? A better mod would be funny, but even then that's pushing it.

      Oh wait, I forgot it's slashdot.

    2. Re:A complete list? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Odd. They omitted placing a Microsoft OS onto a computer as a sure-fire way to kill it.

      No, it also requires tech support telling the user to nuke it whenever a problem arises.
      "Oh, just wipe the HD and reinstall from scratch."

    3. Re:A complete list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Odd you used your karma bonus to post that? What a fucking troll you are....

    4. Re:A complete list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quiet you! We don't want the moderators to think for themselves, otherwise the discussions wouldn't get out of hand, and we wouldn't get nearly as much ad revenue. Better mod you down so no-one takes you seriously...

    5. Re:A complete list? by suckmysav · · Score: 1

      "requires tech support telling the user to nuke it whenever a problem arises.
      "Oh, just wipe the HD and reinstall from scratch."


      I have *never* used tech support for any PC in my entire 25 year career in IT, except for this one time.

      It was an old Compaq notebook my dad had. It had a problem that when you would hit the power-on button it would just sit there and act dead for about 3 minutes doing absolutely nothing. The power LED would come on but there would be no screen or disk activity at all. All of a sudden it would just spring to life and POST and things would be fine, but that three minute wait sure was a pain in the arse for my Dad.

      Clearly there was some sort of a hardware issue there. I replaced the hard disk (it seemed a possible culprit, slow to spin up mebbe) and even the RAM (mainly because it was easy to do so) all to no avail, so I called the Compaq support line, thinking that this would be a prerequisite for getting the thing repaired.

      Of course the very first thing that the dingbat reading from his tech support script told me was to re-install Windows. I told him I had already replaced the entire hard disk (it was not under warranty) and I re-iterated that the problem manifests before the unit even does its POST The guy probably didn't have a clue what a POST was and repeated his solution, that of re-installing Windows. He refused to budge from this position.

      The laptop was old at the time (133mhz P1 when PIII 800s were becoming common) so I gave up and told my dad to buy himself a new laptop, and to make sure he doesn't buy a Compaq.

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    6. Re:A complete list? by cgsamurai · · Score: 0

      Oh, just like Apple does at http://search.info.apple.com/?search=Go&lr=lang_en &kword=&q=reinstall

      Moron.

    7. Re:A complete list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Odd. They omitted placing a Microsoft OS onto a computer as a sure-fire way to kill it.

      Giving it AIDS and a lobotomy is not the same as killing it outright.

    8. Re:A complete list? by Lush_trashed · · Score: 1

      I assume its a compaq lte serise laptop? I have the exact same proble on 3 units & have no idea why. did you ever figure it out?

  7. Most common ways to kill a PC... by Joey+Patterson · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Malware and spam.

  8. well we have one more for them: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    put a http server on itand get it linked to slashdot.

    1. Re:well we have one more for them: by spac3manspiff · · Score: 1

      But, You can make it catch on fire by having it run IIS.

    2. Re:well we have one more for them: by Rupan · · Score: 1

      ..."The Surgeon General says that .sigs give cancer."

      Sure do! They can do a lot more, too:

      kill -9 1

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  9. Elvis Technique by rednip · · Score: 3, Funny

    Personally, my systems tend crash after applying the Elvis Technique for Irritating Home Electronics (Handgun).

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  10. In my opinion by Jozer99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In my opinion, the most common killer is spyware. With $400 computers, people are more reluctant to clean their hard drive every 4 months and take security precautions then to just throw the computer in the trash and head back to walmart.

    1. Re:In my opinion by Entouchable · · Score: 1

      Werd2Dumpster Diving

    2. Re:In my opinion by Jozer99 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I own a small IT company, and we often dispose of people's PCs that they do not want to invest the money in to fix, or are just broken. Often, there are one or two pieces in these systems that are worth keeping, and every once and awhile we get a fully functioning system. Mixing and matching parts can lead to some nice PCs for free. Right now, our best example of this is our server, which is a P3 1.13 GHz with 640MB of RAM, 30 GB hard drive, 2 CD Burners and 3Com Managed NIC, which cost exactly $0, put together from processors and RAM pulled from dead systems going to be recycled.

  11. No, it's Slashdot by gc8005 · · Score: 0

    Only 5 comments and the site is already down...

  12. The #1 killer: by EvilStein · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot the crap out of it. 9 comments and I get a "Connection Refused" error trying to load the link.

    Let me guess, they tested out the "Most Common Ways to Kill a PC" on the web servers, eh?

    1. Re:The #1 killer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4 minutes.... All i can say is ./ is the number one killer of web servers. We should start an organization called American Slashdot Association and prevent this! (american heart asso.)

    2. Re:The #1 killer: by prockcore · · Score: 1

      Slashdot the crap out of it.

      No. That will only stun a PC.

      We're talking about powersupplies actually catching fire. If you're lucky, you need to buy a new powersupply. If you're unlucky, the fire dept is outside your house right now, making sure that anything that survived the inferno is now currently under water.

      Slashdotters always seem to overstate the power of a slashdotting.

    3. Re:The #1 killer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for serious. would it really be so hard for slashdot editors to give these people some warning before the post articles so they have time to set up mirrors or something? This is one of the reasons I hardly ever read slashdot anymore:

      Hey, look at this really neat link! Oh, ha ha, you can't!

    4. Re:The #1 killer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The was one person who was slashdotted and had their CPU get so hot is started melting stuff. This was the person who ran the Christmas Webcam Hoax, you can find the stories by searching.

    5. Re:The #1 killer: by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

      Well, it's probably on the list now.

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    6. Re:The #1 killer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hard to say whether that's true or not given his reputation

  13. Interesting by bonch · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would have figured dust would be #1. I've cracked open my parents' Windows PC every six months or so only to discover the horror of a totally alien world caked in a layer of gray-brown fuzz. Like the Cowboy Bebop episode, I half-expect a new species of organism to form from the unique atmosphere. If I start seeing a human Martian face forming on the soundcard, I may just end up throwing the whole thing away.

    1. Re:Interesting by Bri3D · · Score: 1

      Dust doesn't kill unless it gets in the way of cooling. Dust generally isn't conductive and thus poses no problem but blocked fans.

    2. Re:Interesting by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Funny

      unles of course it spawns a dust puppy

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    3. Re:Interesting by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 5, Informative
      Obviously you've never worked on a heavy smoker's computer if ANY amount of fluffy gray dust can still bother you...

      Once you've seen the gooey orange stuff, you'll be thankful for mere hairballs.

    4. Re:Interesting by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      The current standard for seeing any face in any object is to eBay it.

    5. Re:Interesting by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Just don't spill coffee in it, or you might get a crud puppy instead.

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    6. Re:Interesting by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 3, Funny

      >Once you've seen the gooey orange stuff, you'll be thankful for mere hairballs.

      Either way, they say licking it off is the best way to get rid of it.

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    7. Re:Interesting by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      Orange? How does that work?

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    8. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that disgusting habit is banned in work places, so I've never had the pleasure. the sooner it is banned anywhere other than your own home the better as well.

    9. Re:Interesting by kurdtje · · Score: 1

      Ever worked in an ink-producing factory?
      Those pc's have a disgusting black dust in them, you cannot remove with blowing air or what. And the most curious of all is, the only parts going to hell are floppy drives and cdrom drives. These never get used during normal days, but when the thing is broken, repairing is almost impossible but over the network. Long live those dusty dark undergrounds of the factories!

    10. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, i know exactly what your dalking about, i do not smoke, my brother does and his high dollar PC that is newer than mine is and it has orange/brown gooey fuzz growning on all the air vents on everything = monitor around the tower, in every seam around the front of the PC (CDrom drive, Floppy, etc...etc...

      what a mess, just imagine what the inside of his lungs must look like...

    11. Re:Interesting by Rasta+Prefect · · Score: 1

      Remember the demo they did for you in school where they exhaled to cigarette smoke through a rag to show you the tar spot and say "This is going in your lungs"? It works just like that...(blech)

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    12. Re:Interesting by pjay_dml · · Score: 1

      It's not a habbit, but an addiction!

      If you are truly discusted, don't support us idiots in our attempt to justify stupid behaviour!

    13. Re:Interesting by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Funny

      crud puppy comes from coffee and keyboard crud, not case dust.

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    14. Re:Interesting by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Interesting


      That's why big, slow, quiet intake fans (with easily-cleaned external and accessible filters - I.E., panty hose held in place with a clip-on finger/cat paw/infant toe shield) sucking lots of CFM is the next big thing in PC cooling.

      As long as static pressure is taken into account, this can be a nice, easy retrofit kit for existing removeable case sides. I was going to draw and upload a concept drawing but my scanner isn't working.

      If you are interested in R&D and have bucks I also have a relatively cheap cryo solution and prototype case layouts.

    15. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The nicotine is yellow and the tiny particles of blood are red.

    16. Re:Interesting by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Orange? What the hell do your clients smoke??

      That icky crud (sortof like globs of greasy spiderwebs) is why I charge extra when I work on smokers' computers. They're just TOO gross inside!!

      I've seen cig smoke residue clog up a CPU fan to where it was one solid lump (I think the fan motor was still running, but the blades couldn't turn). It had been so hot that the fanblades shattered at a touch, the motherboard was scorched, and the CPU slot was so warped that I had to use Vise-Grips to pull the CPU out of the slot. Damn wonder it didn't catch fire. It DID let the magic smoke out of the onboard video circuit.

      I stuck the CPU (P3-500) in another system, and at first it played dead, but after a couple power cycles and false starts, it came back to life, and three years later is still running 24/7 with complete reliability.

      Believe it or not, the former owner's tech dude "couldn't" figure out why her system would only run a few minutes before locking up. Since even the most cursory glance inside the case made the problem painfully obvious, I concluded that this guy was ripping her off (tho I was unable to convince her of that... I swear, some people...)

      BTW, to keep dust OUT of a computer, install an INTAKE fan (or more than one, as needed) to ensure positive air pressure inside the case. This is why my systems stay so clean inside, even tho I live in the dusty desert with several cats.

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    17. Re:Interesting by __aamcgs2220 · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, it's zinc whisker dust or tin whisker dust... Checked under your floor tiles lately?

    18. Re:Interesting by bigboi · · Score: 1

      Innocent question:

      wouldn't the INTAKE fan still INTAKE (hence the name) and therefore draw dust? Without major imbalance, isn't there generally positive pressure at all EXHAUST fans (even if the case itself may wheaz)?

    19. Re:Interesting by csnydermvpsoft · · Score: 2, Informative

      Better yet - put air filters in front of all of the intake fans. I got a large sheet of cut-to-fit air filters at Home Depot for $5. I've made around ten filters so far from it. If your intake fan is in the front of the case, there's usually room under the front panel for a filter (well, it's not usually designed for one, but a bit of tape holds one in quite well).

    20. Re:Interesting by Reziac · · Score: 1

      So it would appear on the face of it, but:

      The PSU fan is normally an exhaust fan. However, it has to pull air thru all the junk inside the PSU == not very efficient, so really doesn't move much air.

      Hence adding even ONE intake fan, with a clear airflow path, is enough to result in positive pressure inside the case, as well as much improved total airflow. (Sufficient to keep my P3-550 from overheating even when the CPU fan has failed.)

      In my experience, when there is only an exhaust fan, dust (and especially cat hair) enters the case primarily via the front vents and the front drive bays. You can see this by where the majority winds up stuck -- usually between the plastic case front and the metal frame, and inside the floppy drive. I've pulled some seriously amazing dust bunnies out of floppy drives.

      Add an intake fan, resulting in positive air pressure, and there will also be airflow OUT through the case vents and the drive bays. You may see a little fine dust right next to the intake fan, but there will be far less coating the various components, and you won't see any lint or cat hair at all.

      Of course, you don't want to put an intake fan right next to the floor, where it would naturally suck in whatever is in reach. But even halfway up a midtower case (8 inches or so) is sufficient distance from the usual floor-level detritus. Also, an intake fan seems to change the typical airflow pattern around the case, so you get less dust accumulating around its base in the first place.

      Better AT cases had a second fan hole right below the PSU; newer ATX cases usually have one dead-center opposite the motherboard. In my experience, both are excellent places for the intake fan.

      If you have more than two fans, just make sure there are always the same number or one more intake than exhaust (counting the PSU fan), and it should maintain positive pressure and best airflow.

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    21. Re:Interesting by Reziac · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some people use panty hose for that, and you can buy foam-type filters made as PC fan covers, but ISTM that you're better off to let the very finest dust float on through and out the PSU fan, rather than forgetting to occasionally clean such a fine-grained filter.

      I assume you got something like swamp cooler filters, or force-air heater filters? either should work well -- not so fine-grained as to get clogged with microdust, but sufficient to catch any lint, cat hair, etc.

      However, I've never bothered adding a filter, and thanks to the intake fan, my machines stay very clean inside.

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    22. Re:Interesting by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Whoops, you're right! Just don't make me listen to Stef as my punishment!

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    23. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Orange? What the hell do your clients smoke??

      Orange sunshine, dude!!

      Wait a minute....

    24. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the face is that of a religious figure then sell it on Ebay for thousands of dollars instead.

    25. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1, TMI

    26. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter much whether your case pressure is positive or negative. What does matter is WHERE the air comes from and where it goes.

      Generally (though not always) you want the air to come in near the bottom of the front (or directly in front of the drive bays) and leave through the top of the back. This provides decent airflow through the entire case. Anything you can do to improve this flow is good. Anything that blocks or short circuits this flow is probably bad.

      Putting an intake fan directly below the PSU exhaust fan, for example, is an extremely bad idea. The hot air from the exhaust gets sucked right back into the case, passes over the CPU, up and out through the supply and gets sucked right back in again. Fortunately, someone who sets their fans up this way probably isn't thinking about turbulence so they'll get a little bit of mixing both inside and outside the case. In this case, improving the efficiency of your airflow (cable management, wire grilles etc.) may actually decrease your cooling by reducing turbulent mixing (normally this is emphatically not the case--improving airflow is usually the easiest and cheapest way to make your PC both cooler and quieter at the same time).

      As a side note, a smoker friend of mine uses a completely reversed setup with the intakes in the back and the exhausts in the front and side. A little plenum draws outside air directly into the back of the PC which both provides the PC with cool clean air and the room with warm clean air.

    27. Re:Interesting by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 1

      You are correct in that its better to have more positive pressure inside a case, but this can be a issue in terms of cooling, as it raises the ambient temp inside the case. It is also vital to maintain a continous airflow, like a vortex around the components. This helps dissipitate the warm air around hot components, and tehn the extractor fans are more effective. to also add to that (this have the usefull side effect of not allowing dust to "settle")

      Although I have more "outtake" fans than Intake ones, the outtake fans are controlled by the PSU via temp monitoring equipement inside, so rarely work at maximum, ensuring positive pressure most of the time, since the intakes are always at max (cooling the SCSI HD array).

      Ok, let me explain. I have a Lian Li MiniTower case, with a post fitted transparent side. And it has two filtered intakes at the front. Althoguh it can be adjusted in speed, I leave it at the high position, as they are quite quiet in operation. The filter is washable, and I wash it every month or so. The outtake fans are as follows, there is two fans inside the PSU, one sucking air into the PSU from the CPU area, and one pushing it out of the PSU. Below the PSU there is another outake fan (PSU Controlled) and an outtake fan on top of the case (top exhaust- also PSU controlled). the PSU also controls the Chipset fan (for noise reasons).

      The intakes rush over the HD cage, keepign the Hard disks at 26C (even after hours of continous use, the HDs are relatively cool to touch). Since the HDs are the single biggest heat generators after the CPU, and GPU (which have their own fans). Keeping them cool helps reduce the ambient temp inside the case. Because the intakes are significantly more than required to cool the HD's also provides fresh cool air into the case.

      Now comes the next trick. If I had just left it like that, the air being forced into the case will immeadiately be sucked back out via the extractors following a "Z" shape, and warmth still builds up in the PCI card area. Fitting a side intake does NOT improve it much, only adding more noise, and not significantly cooling the ambient temp across all parts. Remeber heat is supposed to rise, but those cards stacked away in that area prevents the heat from rising, and with SCSI cables getting in the way, it causes even more stagnation.

      I tried using dividers to help direct the intakes over the PCI slots, but the force of the intakes dissipitate with distance, and it was not effective, and the dividers then prevented heat from rising, causing more issues than they solved.

      So to solve that problem, i have put a single fan inside the case, just over the PCI/AGP cards SInce this fan is not exposed to the outside, I am runnign it at max speed all the time - you really cannot hear it over any of the other fans. This fan moves the air surrounding cards, and because of the way the cards are laid out, it forces the air to the back of the PCI cards, towards the center of the case, where they enter the huge "void" in the middle of the case, and rise to get sucked out by the extractors. Fresh air is brought in via the grills above the PCI slots to maintain positive airflow, so although this fan is not esspecially a intake fan, the way it works provides an intake suction. The use of this fans also make any headsink applied to PCI cards more effective too, as fresh moving air is carried over it.

      To actually see it all in action, I hung small white treads at various points in the case, and since i have a transparent panel with a Cathode inside, you can actually see the air now moving effeictively through different parts of the case, with no "vortexs" appearing (vortexs are circling air, where although air is moving in a circle, it doesnt really go anywhere).

      This may sound overkill for noise reasons, but with the fan controller only providing max power when it is required, most of the fans run at relatively low RPMs, giving a very low pitched hum, as opposed to a high pitched whine, which is annoying. The "al

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    28. Re:Interesting by lee+n.+field · · Score: 1
      Obviously you've never worked on a heavy smoker's computer if ANY amount of fluffy gray dust can still bother you...

      Once you've seen the gooey orange stuff, you'll be thankful for mere hairballs.

      You can always tell a smoker's computer. I'd describe the coating on the inside (and outside, if they're really bad) more as a greasy brown, myself. They smell bad, too. Yuk.

      Worst I've seen was one where the air circulation slots in the power supply were completely clogged with greasy brown fuzzy gunk. Power supply had failed, naturally.

    29. Re:Interesting by runderwo · · Score: 1

      As if a smoker couldn't just look at the end of the filter after inhaling and see for themselves... I think the basic issue is that it doesn't disgust them like it does for most nonsmokers.

  14. The keyboard lock.. by sr180 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Back in Highschool the 386 and 486 pcs had the old standard keyboard lock. By rubbing your shoes on the carpet, lifting them up and holding your finger milimeters away from the metal keyboard lock a static discharge would then hit the lock. Monitor would go black and an instant fried motherboard was the result. The school just kept replacing them under warranty claims. And these were dropping about the rate of one or two a week.

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    1. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Dumb ass kid wasting tax dollars.

    2. Re:The keyboard lock.. by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      By rubbing your shoes on the carpet, lifting them up and holding your finger milimeters away from the metal keyboard lock a static discharge would then hit the lock. Monitor would go black and an instant fried motherboard was the result.

      I remeber when my employer had one computer that kept locking up (usually after several hours of unsaved editing). A similar technique was used to get it going again.

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    3. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      -1 not reading the post

      He said that the computers were replaced under warranty.

    4. Re:The keyboard lock.. by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah. Because destroying shit just to destroy it, no matter who is paying for it, is a good idea kids. No wonder the world is so fucked up.

    5. Re:The keyboard lock.. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      It was a frequent practice of the Minvera Highland Band League to shoot staples up their nostrils, using a car-battery operated automatic fork dispenser. With their bagpipe's being powered by electromagnets, they tended to blow up Dell Blade servers simply by sneezing.

      The problem was ultimately solved when the Tau Cetians landed in Minerva, and converted the Highland Band League and their bagpipes into Class 3 Sewage Disposal Lines.

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    6. Re:The keyboard lock.. by nettdata · · Score: 1

      -3 for not understanding basic economics

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    7. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Rostin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No freaking kidding. I've been at my current job since I got out of college a little over 2 years ago. After working for a couple of months, I had to go to the first session of some bogus training for young engineers, set up so the new blood from all over the company could mingle and network. I was *shocked* when one of the multiple-session veterans talked about how they'd just about destroyed a rental car on another trip. He condescendingly explained that another time he'd told that story, someone had freaked out a little, because they were too inexperienced to understand that the cars were insured and it couldn't come back on you.

      When kids are 12 years old, I can see it a little, but 22-25? Cripes. I wanted to punch him in the head and it wasn't even my car.

    8. Re:The keyboard lock.. by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I had a fairly early Amiga 500. I don't remember how many times we had that thing fixed due to static electricity. Ultimately we had it sitting on a sheet of aluminum foil grounded to a wall outlet, and used anti-static spray on our hands before touching the Amiga.

    9. Re:The keyboard lock.. by The+Tyro · · Score: 1

      Good grief.

      My young friend, you've the mentality of a common vandal. Just because you didn't pay for it, doesn't mean that it's OK, or that some other poor sod down the line didn't have to pay. It came out of the school district taxpayers' pockets (including your parents, most likely), and out of the computer manufacturer's bottom line (resulting in higher prices for everyone else).

      You're not alone though... the same thing seems to happen any time you conceal the true costs of things from people. The further you insulate them from paying the bill, the more wasteful and cavalier they become.

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    10. Re:The keyboard lock.. by AC-x · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I never thought you could actually kill PCs with static like that,

      I built a flyback transformer driver, 25kilovolts or so (for a lifter ;) ), and decided to try and fry an old digital camera I had.

      Nothing! High voltage arching right across the circuit boards and it was still working fine! The only thing I managed to do was over-saturate the LCD, but even that returned to normal after an hour or two.

      I also remember someone's anecdote about working in a computer store with nasty carpets. The owner decided to prove a point by shuffling along the floor to a radiator holding a DIMM, then letting it spark across the DIMM. He then plugged it into a ram tester to show it still working fine.

    11. Re:The keyboard lock.. by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      Gee, I'm surprised they didn't think to just disconnect the keyboard lock from the motherboard.

      Either that or they never figured out how they failed. }:)

      -Z

    12. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid I don't understand your horror. Did the guy intentionally destroy the rental car? If not do you think he should have felt shamefull about it? It's not as if you're borrowing a car from your friend. Part of the money you pay for the car is to cover the risk+insurance on it.

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    13. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      I remeber when my employer had one computer that kept locking up (usually after several hours of unsaved editing). A similar technique was used to get it going again.
      Hmmm. Sound like magic...
    14. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      My young friend, you've the mentality of a common vandal. Just because you didn't pay for it, doesn't mean that it's OK, or that some other poor sod down the line didn't have to pay. It came out of the school district taxpayers' pockets (including your parents, most likely), and out of the computer manufacturer's bottom line (resulting in higher prices for everyone else).
      What a goddammed fucking tightass that guy is.

      What part of "the school just kept replacing them under warranty claims" didn't you understand?

    15. Re:The keyboard lock.. by E-prospero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So - the warranty claims are paid for out of that great big bucket of money in the sky? Not in your life.

      Ever wonder why products with a 3 year warranty cost more than products with 1 year warranty? It's rarely because of higher manufacturing costs. It's because manufacturers are factoring the increased likelyhood of failure into their sale price.

      When little f*cknuckles like the grandparent decide it's fun to start breaking hardware for no particular reason, the cost of their vandalism isn't magically disappeared - the manufacturer says "Well, these widgets seem to break quite a bit, so we'd better up the price to cover our losses on warranty claims". As a result, MY hardware becomes more expensive.

      I for one (and the parent for another) resent having to pay more for OUR hardware so some little f*cking ingrate can bust up his school's hardware on a whim.

      Russ %-)

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    16. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Cryptnotic · · Score: 1

      What part of and out of the computer manufacturer's bottom line (resulting in higher prices for everyone else) didn't you understand? Maybe that computer manufacturer is one of the many who went out of business. Maybe the employees who lost their jobs had their kids starve in the streets or turn to a life of crime and mug and stab you in an alley. Who knows? It's just not good to waste things or deliberately break things just because they're not yours or belong to someone you don't think you care about.

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    17. Re:The keyboard lock.. by rco3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, part of the money I pay for the car is to cover the damage that assholes like that cause and don't have to directly pay for "because it's insured."

      But insurance companies don't lose money, they just spread the losses around to other customers - which, in this case, is everyone else who rents a car. IOW, me.

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    18. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I'd heard about that issue but never experienced it. However, it makes perfect sense -- that metal keyboard lock is connected DIRECTLY to the motherboard.

      And that's why on any machine I built, I never connected the wires to the keyboard lock.

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    19. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could this be one of the reasons my employer has to pay a surcharge for my being under 25 when I rent cars for travel? The only solution to this anti-social behavior is to take a stand and speak out against it. It's not en vogue these days, but it works. The only reason people destroy others' property, unless they have a true problem, is because they feel that there will be no meaningful consequence. When people make the mistake of describing reckless behavior to me, it doesn't matter if the behavior happened at work or not; disclosing (and especially touting) anti-social behavior will be noted both in written reviews and elsewhere. Some people I know don't have the balls for this because you have to draw some lines between morality, ethics, and the law, but being able to draw those lines is what makes society work.

    20. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Vellmont · · Score: 0, Troll

      And where in the short story is anything mentioned about how the rental car was destroyed intentionally?

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    21. Re:The keyboard lock.. by izomiac · · Score: 1

      And if everyone had treated the hardware with the proper respect then what motivation would there be to actually fix the design problem? If a company is loosing money because of warranties then they need to make sure their products aren't so fragile. I may not agree that it's alright to fry perfectly good hardware, but I also don't feel any sympathy for the company. As for the price of the warranty, the company does have to keep a competitive price. If the warranty is outrageously expensive then that should alert some people to the poor design of the product.

    22. Re:The keyboard lock.. by sr180 · · Score: 1
      Just to add further comment.

      I never did it. However i did see it happen multiple times. One clueless student even demonstrated it to the Sys admin who could not work out why so many machines were dying. I dont know whether or not he informed the manufacturer, because that probably would have voided all the warrantee claims.

      And it was a private school. Typical private school mentality from the more deviant amongst us.

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    23. Re:The keyboard lock.. by BLAG-blast · · Score: 1
      What part of "the school just kept replacing them under warranty claims" didn't you understand?

      So fucking what if the school got them replaced without paying THAT TIME. The next purchase of computer equipment will include the cost of the "replacing them under warranty claims". Or do you just think that the replacement costs vanish into thin air?

      You need to learn about ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h... Would you like to buy a bridge?

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    24. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Rostin · · Score: 1

      Yes, I must not have made that clear. They intentionally messed the car up just because they could get away with it.

    25. Re:The keyboard lock.. by SenorChuck · · Score: 1

      Next time you see that guy, punch him in the head for me and thank him for keeping our vehicle insurance rates higher than they should be. It drives me nuts when people are destructive to property that is not their own when they think they can get away with it, no consequences.

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    26. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read between the lines, dickhead. Or hear it from the horse's mouth if you were too stupid to understand it the first time around.

    27. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, asshole. You forgot to mention how this has been going on for years (years! I say), so it's perfectly ok to continue on this action.

    28. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After he punches the guy and gets him sent to the Emergency Room, raising the medical costs for everybody, and he gets charged with assault and battery, clogging up the courts and costing the local govt. money, please recognize how silly your rant and solution are.

    29. Re:The keyboard lock.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the fact of the matter is, the supplier of school systems was probably a low-baller who underbid the legitimate companies by 30% because they thought they were doing everyone a favour. So by selling everything at just above cost, they couldn't even cover their overhead, let alone multiple warranty issues. So they probably went out of business, the school found a company that was going to stay in business for more than 6 months, and those idiot kids did everyone a service by knocking another worthless mass retailer out of the market. And the company, who charged more, probably fixed the computers in a quick and efficient matter, with quality parts, and also had technicians who were smart enough to realise keyboard locks caused problems like that.

      I was an authorized warranty tech when I was in high school for the company who was supplying our labs, so I would fix minor problems here and there to prove that the company they were dealing with was screwing them ($200 for a power supply, and 2 weeks before they had the system back) and their in-house "tech" staff were also morons (they couldn't figure out what we were using to send messages to each other in class - NET SEND), usually by packeting the gateway for the entire school district to death and keeping track of how long it took them to track down the problem (funny thing is, the problem went away when we graduated, or at least, the last few months of senior year when we just stopped going to class altogether).

      We've contracted a couple of schools for a few labs each, and we will never do it again. It's not the students that were causing the problems; it was the "teachers". I've actually refused service work for teachers because they were trying to convince me to pirate software for them because they were a teacher, and various other reasons.

    30. Re:The keyboard lock.. by SenorChuck · · Score: 1

      Oh well, can't win them all ;-) Maybe the guy just needs some concrete shoes instead *wink wink*

      I do agree with you, and thank you for bringing a little extra reason to the table. Too bad you posted AC!

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  15. Power Supply Story Again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What, did Cmdr Taco just buy stock in a power supply company today?

  16. /.ed by Squirrley · · Score: 1, Funny

    Wow... less than 5 minutes and it's down. guess they didn't have enough power supllies...

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  17. One easy way not on the list by jcknox · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. Install web server
    2. Post link to it on Slashdot

    1. Re:One easy way not on the list by grenthal · · Score: 1

      3. Profit

    2. Re:One easy way not on the list by kminchau · · Score: 1

      4. Realize your server is toast and you can't profit from it as long as your server is down, and bang head on table for underestimating the power of the slashdot.

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  18. Most Common PC Killer? by GryphonTech · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Why, any Windows OS... Of course.

  19. PEBKAC by OneArmedMan · · Score: 1

    what else needs to be said.

    1. Re:PEBKAC by deutschemonte · · Score: 1

      For those who don't know:
      Problem
      Exists
      Between
      Keyboard
      And
      Ch air

      a.k.a.:
      I. D. 10 T. error

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  20. /. it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can always run a webserver on it, and get it slashdotted :D

  21. Actually they left out one of the causes by OverlordQ · · Score: 1, Redundant

    They did it since it skewed the graph to much, it originally was this:

    99.9% Slashdot
    00.1% Other Problems

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  22. Most Common Way.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ....use a crappy powersupply. Period.

    Buy Antec!

    1. Re:Most Common Way.... by IBeatUpNerds · · Score: 1

      I've used crappy power supplies in all of my computers I've ever built (20). Never have I had one die from the PS. Period. In fact, I've only had about six of them die.

      Fan failures, 2 lightning strikes (with a decent surge protector, I might add), PCI card came loose and shorted against a capacitor on mobo (replaced capacitor, all was fine).

    2. Re:Most Common Way.... by bluekanoodle · · Score: 1
      Obviously you have not built enough computers to pronounce a sound statistical statement, but rather a uninformed personal anecdote.

      Having run shops with 1000's of computers, I can tell you that using cheap Power supplies will come back to bite you.

    3. Re:Most Common Way.... by IBeatUpNerds · · Score: 1

      I can tell you that using cheap Power supplies will come back to bite you.

      You do know the definition of anecdote, correct? Well, in that case, how about providing some numbers, rather than a personal anecdote, since that seems to be what this is about.

  23. I can't RTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so I'm assuming that a /.ing should be on the list.

    Well, I guess it's not that common.

  24. The very, very, very best way... by Faust7 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Get a woman. You'll forget your PC was ever there.

    1. Re:The very, very, very best way... by xstonedogx · · Score: 4, Funny

      Get a what now?

    2. Re:The very, very, very best way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even worse: get a woman with a cat. Darn animals think the keyboard is their bed.

    3. Re:The very, very, very best way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "woman" please explain that term. I though i read an article on /. about it a while ago...

    4. Re:The very, very, very best way... by daijo78 · · Score: 1

      Ooops did that... But the cat is more into destroying our walls and my girlfriend lets me have a lot of keyboard time. In return I do the dishes and sometimes watch girly movies about relationships or british actors in silly clothes:)

    5. Re:The very, very, very best way... by agm · · Score: 1

      Until you marry them and have kids. Been there, done that. Use my computer more now than ever.

    6. Re:The very, very, very best way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes... I had one that sometimes liked to get me to work on something clever on the machine, like figuring out how to do something cool in a program I'd never seen before, and she would masturbate while watching. I'm not kidding. She liked to play FPS games too. I miss her.

    7. Re:The very, very, very best way... by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      Get a woman. You'll forget your PC was ever there.

      Can I buy those online?
      Or do I have to go to a store?

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  25. Corrupted Power Absolution by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't those stats mean the most common way to recycle a PC is just to replace its power supply? I've pulled several working PCs out of the "trash" (NYC curbside - cleaner than a dumpster, dirtier than a Toronto dumpster). I had a "$2000" stereo system I rescued from yuppie abandonment by merely replacing its "motherboard" and speaker fuses.

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    1. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by xstonedogx · · Score: 1

      I think they're saying the power supply is homocidal rather than suicidal.

      From the first page of the article (which is all I got to read):

      The Power Supply (PSU)

      Three little words, but loaded with such destructive potential. Faulty power supplies are by far and away the most common source of computer mortality. In our reader survey, power issues accounted for over 30% of all dead-PC tales, and after working in a computer store for a few years I'm surprised it wasn't actually higher. We saw system after system come into the store for service with the immortal words "it just won't turn on" or "smoke came out of the back... Will it be ok?"

      Here's a typical tale of bright lights, big balls of smoke;

      "...The customer came in saying that the PC wouldn't start at all. Of course I suspected the PSU, but had to test it anyway. Plugged in the unit and pushed the power button and was illuminated by a flash of light. The PSU had indeed failed, and now had also blown a MOSFET on the system board and scorched the 512mb stick of PC3200 RAM..."

      That the power supply is the most dangerous of PC components should come as no surprise. After all, its responsibility is to filter the massive wall voltage into the bite-sized 12V, 5V and 3.3V DC allocations that modern PCs need.

    2. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      The page was slashdotted by the time I tried to hit it. But I'm actually responding to the stats in another post in this thread. Which don't indicated the reflexivity of the PSU death :). Maybe I should have replied to that post directly. Slashdot's discussions are already too complicated, but the lack of crossposting is really getting tiresome.

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    3. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unfortunately, that's not always the case. This assumption was a pet peeve of mine, when I used to work in the computer repair business. I'd have some guy talking up the specs on his computer, and they would usually be impressive up until he bragged about the 450 Watt PSU that he picked up for $35.

      Not only do cheap PSUs introduce stability issues, but a lot of PSUs take things down with them when they blow.

      My favorite example is an absolutely spectacular one involving my brother's friend. He had a 1.4Ghz Athlon (back when that was impressive), along with the requisite DVD, CD-Burner, brand new GeForce 3; the whole nine yards. The PSU blew. Both optical drives ejected and shot sparks from inside. HDDs presumably lost their motors (they never spun up again). Mobo died, CPU died, sound card died. The only thing that survived was the video card, which was at least a small consolation since it was still top-of-the-line.

      PSU replacements did tend to be my second most common hardware repair (HDDs were first), and most of the time they didn't damage anything, but I saw enough problems then that I'll only buy reputable PSUs now.

    4. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      often, when the powersupply dies, so does the motherboard, ram, pci cards, etc.

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    5. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by HighBit · · Score: 1

      So.. what brands do you recommend for being reputable? :-)

    6. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      I've pulled several working PCs out of the "trash"
      :)

      All my three servers at home and my firewall come from the garbage...

    7. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by gnuman99 · · Score: 1
      So.. what brands do you recommend for being reputable?

      Sparke Power, Thermaltake, Enermax.

    8. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nearly every review seems to place Antec at the top of the pack in terms of being able to actually output the rated wattage. That fact alone speaks for quality, in my opinion.

      Additionally, reviews that place heavy/out-of-spec loads or nasty input power on PSUs tend to arrive at a similar conclusion.

      On top of all of that, anecdotal evidence does tend to place Antec's products at the top of the pack, in terms of reliability.

      Enermax also seems to do quite well in "round-up" reviews.

    9. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by delus10n0 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I don't know if Enermax has gotten better, but two years ago, I bought one of their 450 watt, and another 500 watt unit from them, and had nothing but problems. Switched to Antec TruPowers, and haven't looked back..

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    10. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've run Enermax PSUs for 5+ years now on a variety of machines (mostly the Noisetaker line from 320W to monster 600W systems). Been very happy with them. Antec is the only other manufacturer I would consider.

    11. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The review posted earlier today indicated that the Enermax power supplies tested weren't that good. Though, to their credit, I had an Enermax 365W power supply that never caused any problems, but was noisy. Replaced it, gave it to my sister, still chugging along just fine to this day. I now run an Antec power supply, no problems at all with that unit either.

    12. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Actually, most PSU's die before they are out of spec

      Interestingly, this has been getting better over the past few years.

      And yes, Antec's have been the best pretty consistently. I did have a Verax that I swore by for a long time, until I plugged in a floppy disk drive one pin over to the side. To it's credit, the PSU died quickly and didn't damage any of the other components. I would still probably have a Verax if you could find them anywhere, as they were very low-airflow friendly.

    13. Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by EvilJoker · · Score: 1

      Having jumped on the Antec bandwagon a few years ago, I'm not sure if I can still recommend them.

      Had an older 300w unit in my dad's computer. Worked fine in that, but couldn't get it to boot on mine if there was an HD connected to it-shutdown in only a couple seconds.
      That was an Asus A7V266, Athlon XP 1500, and any single HD. No RAM, no video card, nothing. Wouldn't even get to the failed POST.
      Connecting all sorts of everything (RAM, video card, CD-RW, DVD+/-R/W) and it worked fine- as long as none of them was an HD.
      (as a side note, using a second AT PSU for the HDs, I had it functioning adequately, until it powered down due to the failed, GENERIC, exhaust fan in the PSU. Replaced it, and it's still running in my dad's box)

      Also, I took the plunge and got a TruePower 550, with their 3-Year warranty. 18 months later, I can't boot much of anything (AthlonXP 1500 underclocked to 1GHz, all IDE devices being powered by a secondary AT PSU). When even that failed, I had to fight- and I mean FIGHT- with Antec to get a damn RMA.
      Also had a dead fan (Doesn't look generic, but I wasn't about to void my warranty yet).
      Their case fans leave something to be desired- I've had 2 80mm Antec fans (out of about 6) die completely on me, in less than a year.
      OTOH, the rest have functioned nicely for about 3 years now.

      Next PSU I buy is probably going to be either Vantec or Enermax.

  26. Mirrordot? by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

    There are nine comments and the website is down already. So let's forget about RTFA. Instead, let's come up with our OWN ways to kill computers. Come on. We are slashdotters. We can come up with many ways to kill our systems (some of them may actually be common!)

    Dropping my computer and then plugging it in killed my system. Heatsinks fall off at 10G of force.

    Also, the power supply fan failing sucks, too. Once that sucker dies, the PS gets hot and dies, too.

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    1. Re:Mirrordot? by RalphLeon · · Score: 5, Funny

      While in itally or (any other country that uses 230 volt power) switch the "voltage" switch on your power supply from 230 to 115 while the computer is running, a bright blue spark will fly out and you will have successfully screwed your computer.

      (I actually proved this while in CAD class in high school)

    2. Re:Mirrordot? by xstonedogx · · Score: 1

      I once had a drive bay frame come loose (it was hooked on, but probably had screws that I took off at some point and never replaced) during a move.

      The frame (with harddrive attached) snapped a couple PCI cards and scratched the living hell out of the motherboard.

    3. Re:Mirrordot? by cmowire · · Score: 1

      That is a common theme in the BOFH chronicles.

      Revolting, eh?

    4. Re:Mirrordot? by maotx · · Score: 1

      I've done that but with the computer off. Had to switch the PSU from 230 to 115 for repair in my office. Took it back out to the 230 and forgot to switch it back.
      *POP*
      Didn't fry anything but the PSU which in itself proved to be difficult. It's hard to find a PSU that has a built in fan for the cpu with the same dimensions...Try $60 for a 130w : \

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    5. Re:Mirrordot? by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 1

      Was it a sony? I ended up just buying a new case.

    6. Re:Mirrordot? by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      (I actually proved this while in CAD class in high school)

      It's a shame you never learned to spell 'Italy' in high school as well.

    7. Re:Mirrordot? by maotx · · Score: 1

      It was an old, discontinued HP machine that was mounted in a rack. Buying a new case would also require modifiying the rack.

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  27. us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    post a link to it on Slashdot?

  28. Easiest way to kill a computer: by Moryath · · Score: 1

    Loose Nut Between Keyboard And Chair. It's the cause of at least 95% of all computer fatalities, the other 5% being bad components (hey, when they make a million of 'em, even with the best quality checking a few units will slip through the cracks). And then of course there were those Taiwanese motherboards a few years back that had the exploding capacitors because some company's filler mixture was off...

    1. Re:Easiest way to kill a computer: by loners · · Score: 1

      They leaked. I lost an Abit motherboard to em. You could tell when all the capacitors of the same brand and rating were leaking on the board.

  29. This is so true. by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had a Commodore 64 for years, it suffered through insane adversity. My mother threw it across the room in a rage when we wouldn't come to dinner, my dad dumped an entire can of beer into the heat vent by accident when he was checking his wristwatch. It was dragged off a rickety TV dinner tray when cords were tripped over at least weekly. It always still worked. That thing was built like a tank. In the end, the power supply died.

    Yeah, I know it was replaceable, I didn't have any money.

    1. Re:This is so true. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Odd ... in 1985 or thereabouts I worked tech support for Mindscape at the Consumer Electronics Show (technically I was a programmer but we got hauled off to McCormick Place during trade shows) and the C64's drove us nuts. That show was in the dead of winter, the air was bone dry, and we had a row of Commodore 64 machine set up to demo our games. Every time one of the sales guys would touch one of them without grounding himself first ... zap. Blown video chip, blank screen. We had to keep a stack of spares just to get through the show.

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    2. Re:This is so true. by danielrose · · Score: 1

      Hmm..
      I used to run my old C64 recklessly pulled out onto the shag carpet in the one of the dryest parts of Australia with never a problem. (except the 1541 disk drive, which had some kind of blown bridge a couple of times, but it was always in the cabinet anywho)

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    3. Re:This is so true. by Johan+Veenstra · · Score: 1

      How about using a socket *with* 'ground' the next time?

    4. Re:This is so true. by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      You must have had bad luck. Everyone I've ever known who had a C-64 talks about the tank-like nature of the machine. These were all kids who dropped them down flights of stairs, spilled coke in them (worked after a cleaning), and generally abused the machines like kids do. They just don't break.

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    5. Re:This is so true. by Quikah · · Score: 1

      We blew out the joystick port of two of those. We had those nice wico joysticks (the big red stick ones rather than the balltopped one), unfortunately they left a bit of metal exposed on the stick. Hit that with a bit of static and the port would be gone. Awesome joysticks otherwise, just need to cover the metal bits with electrical tape.

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    6. Re:This is so true. by suckmysav · · Score: 2, Funny

      "my dad dumped an entire can of beer into the heat vent by accident when he was checking his wristwatch.

      You see, this is why I refuse to wear a wristwatch. Haven't had one for twenty years, I'm too afraid of accidentally wasting some beer.

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    7. Re:This is so true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commodre 64 power supplies were 2 pronged, not 3.

    8. Re:This is so true. by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, my old C-64 would periodically get filled with dust to the point where it would overheat after about a half hour of operation. The two workarounds we figured out were to point a box fan at it or to open it up and vacuum out all the dust.

    9. Re:This is so true. by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1
      You must have had bad luck. Everyone I've ever known who had a C-64 talks about the tank-like nature of the machine. These were all kids who dropped them down flights of stairs, spilled coke in them (worked after a cleaning), and generally abused the machines like kids do. They just don't break.
      I've had multiple C64s. While I haven't tried smashing them, I remember the following dying:

      - One had rapid video corruption, rendering it unusable. (especially writing Basic programs.)
      - One had a keyboard/joystick malfunction, where you couldn't type into the computer for long.
      - One has subtle video corruption - it would normally work fine, but some drawing operations would not set the colour of the display properly and thus cause other programs to look buggy.

      I've been through three C64s, all of which failed. Itmay be a tank, but it's internal electronics can still fail. (BTW, I heard reports that another C64 was lent to another family, who discovered that pretty colours can be drawn on the screen by carpet scrubbing and touching one of the joystick ports. It was fried after enough of that treatment.)
    10. Re:This is so true. by Feanturi · · Score: 1

      My C-64 power supply was kept alive by a desk-fan that I had perpetually pointed at it. It ran 24/7 with a BBS, so the fan was an absolute must. I still went through a couple power supplies, but probably not as many as I might have without the fan. Later on, my Amiga 500 power supply I also kept on a fan right from the start, but eventually it died at a time when no Amiga power supplies could be found anymore, at least not locally. But the repair shop I dealt with went and built me one out of a PC AT power supply spliced into the Amiga end of my old power cord, which worked just great, and I was pleased that now it had its very own fan. :)

      I had to use their services a few times in the further past, once for a 1541 disk drive that suddenly started pouring out magic smoke one day. I opened it up to find that one of the components, a big thing shaped like a capacitor but it wasn't, it was a mylar package, had almost entirely melted due to some electrical problem somewhere.

      Another time, I managed to somehow fry the 64 itself by reaching for the monitor and accidentally brushing one of the empty RCA inputs on the front. I had a bit of a static charge in me apparently, having just sat down, felt a shock in my fingertip and the computer died. The monitor was fine, though the shock that brought down the computer would have passed through the electronics in the monitor to get to the inputs at the back and hit the computer from there. The whole machine was made of plastic on the outside, so I didn't feel that my left hand resting on the keyboard as I touched the monitor would have anything to do with it.

      The last time, before needing the Amiga power supply was a bit embarassing actually.. I was doing a hack on the motherboard that would let me use the 512k expansion board as 'Chip' RAM since I had an additional 2 megs on the side in the chassis of my external hard drive. Well for some reason, don't ask me why because to this day I still don't really know, I decided to do the hack while the machine was RUNNING, so I could see what, if anything crazy, it might do. Really stupid and I don't know what I was hoping to see. I mean, I didn't expect the numbers to suddenly shift or something, I think I just wanted to watch the screen go crazy or freeze up or something. Turning totally black and staying that way was not one of the postulated scenarios, but that's what happened as my soldering iron slipped across a couple of traces right near the CPU. That was really dumb, but fortunately the 68000 processor was going for a mere $20 at the time, so it was at least an inexpensive lesson. Got the machine back, did the hack with the machine OFF (!!!) and everything was fine and dandy.

    11. Re:This is so true. by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I once fried a Super Nintendo controller by touching the screen of the TV with one hand, while having the controller on the other hand (this was a very old TV, even by 1991 standards). A very noticable jolt went through my body and presumably into the Super Nintendo. Luckily, the Super Nintendo was fine, and I was just out a controller. Even so, after that I would always discharge the front of the TV screen by touching it before playing.

    12. Re:This is so true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let's see. Install a temporary antistatic pad or get a lot of extra C64 to replace them when they get shorted.

      I bet you are in management now aren't you?

    13. Re:This is so true. by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      Grandparent my dad dumped an entire can of beer into the heat vent

      Parent the air was bone dry

      Looks like humidity is the key factor. They work fine in 100+% humidity, but not in low humidity...

      Heh.. reminds me of the screen savers where someone on the show was convinced modern computer components were impervious to Electro-static schock, so they rubbed some PCI cards across the carpet etc and couldn't figure out why they didn't work afterwards...

    14. Re:This is so true. by Dr.Opveter · · Score: 1
      I had a MSX that i was able to beat up so hard keys would fly around.

      Sometimes when i would drop my fist on it in anger, the whole thing would lift off an inch or two. It never really broke though!

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    15. Re:This is so true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you lived in a country with real electrical regulations, your C= power supply would have been three pronged and grounded by law.

    16. Re:This is so true. by superflippy · · Score: 1

      I managed to eventually kill the C64 we had growing up. I noticed that when I smacked the counter it was sitting on, the computer made a neat ringing noise. After doing this every so often for a while, the C64 stopped running so well, and then died. Fortunately, we were able to replace it with a C128. I didn't try to make the neat sound with that computer. By then, I suspected that it was bad for its internal workings to go "Binggggggg!"

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    17. Re:This is so true. by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 1

      I've never been zapped by my C64. I used to get zapped daily by the Apple II in school though...there was a grounded screw EXACTLY where one of my fingers would rest when I grabbed the case to use the keyboard. Drove me nuts.

      I was the only person I knew with a C64, so my experience could be unique, I wouldn't know.

    18. Re:This is so true. by runderwo · · Score: 1

      The C64 power supply was filled with plastic potting. There is no way aside from cracking it to pieces that 120V would ever reach the low voltage side, so a ground prong would have been pointless. Unfortunately, that potting also made the cheapo regulator overheat, hastening the death of an already marginal design...

    19. Re:This is so true. by runderwo · · Score: 1

      The physical nature of the machine may have been durable, but the electronics were not. Aside from the rotten power supply, the CPU, PLA, SID, and RAM chips were very common failures, mostly due to heat. If you got the later versions where there is a metal sheet overlaid on all the chips to heatsink them, those machines were much more reliable. Of course, typical Commodore quality meant that there was the occasional machine where the sheet wasn't actually tacked onto some chip with heatsink goop, leaving that chip to fry alone.

  30. Slashdot... by jim9000 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I think there's another way: Having your web site linked to by Slashdot.

  31. Windows? by deutschemonte · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Seems like just installing windows would be on the list.

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    1. Re:Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yawn... What a tired canard. I'll bet you sent that message from a Windows PC.

  32. The power supply... by CupBeEmpty · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...or my girlfriend who plugged a Maxtor powercord into an S-video out port on the back of the shuttle that I gave her. Apparently they fit in and run 6V into the motherboard effectively toasting your average Shuttle. I am suprised girlfriend, siblings, or parents didn't make the list.

    1. Re:The power supply... by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Funny

      >I am suprised girlfriend, siblings, or parents didn't make the list.

      They excluded girlfriends as they aren't a common enough threat, but I have to agree with you about parents and siblings...

    2. Re:The power supply... by Archimonde · · Score: 1

      Almost the same story here but in my case there was
      an almost new notebook with S-video port, lite-on
      power brick with PS/2 style port (+5V *and* +12V),
      and a clueless brother.

      But miraculously everything is working just fine.

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  33. Components that have failed in my PCs: by raehl · · Score: 1

    17 year history:

    1992: Power Supply
    1994: Power Supply
    1998: Power Supply
    1998: Monitor
    1999: Power Supply
    2003: CD Burner
    2004: Power Supply

    Of course, the power supply is the one thing in your computer that's a pain in the posterior to replace; might as wellj just get a whole new case.

    1. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Power supply is dead simple to replace. remove four screws and possibly your cd-rom drive and slide it out. The real problem is that after market power supplies usually cost more than a cheap case. Of course the power supply in a cheap $40 case is not the same quality as the $60 replacements.

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    2. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have had 1 Power supply go on me, 3 monitors and a ton of CD-drives and burners due to exploding Disc's and bad quality lasers, and thats about all i would say that is pretty good considering that every inch of space i own is filled Computer hardware (except my bed, and some areas of the floor)

    3. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by glassjaw+rocks · · Score: 1

      I'd say the biggest pain in the arse is replacing the motherboard. The PSU looks like cake after you do the motherboard.

      On the upside you usually clean off all your components since you have to take nearly all of them out.

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    4. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by spac3manspiff · · Score: 2, Funny

      Here's a comprehensive list of failed software:

      1995: Windows 95
      1998: Windows 98
      2000: Windows ME
      2001: Windows XP

    5. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't you just hate the old HD/RESET/POWER/... connector plugging game :)

    6. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by francisew · · Score: 1

      I have had more than a few HD's die (especially early 1-2 gig drives). Floppy drives are/were also fairly notorious.

      A couple of motherboards have also gotten toasted along the way.

      I've had false alarms with oxidation of SCSI and IDE cable connectors give indications that drives/motherboards don't work. By removing/replugging the cables a few times, things miraculously start to work again (oxidized layer rubs off).

      CPU fans are the most annoying component to fail often, although the noise generally means that it gets attention quickly.

      Surprisingly, I have only had 1 power supply fail outright. Maybe that's because I tended to get the dust out occasionally.

    7. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by thpr · · Score: 1
      I find the # of power supply problems fascinating... since I've NEVER experienced that (knock on wood). I wonder what the differences in usage are that drive that as an issue (vs. my experience which is physical failure or HDD problems)

      System received/purchased & failure:
      1984-ish: No failures to date
      1992: HDD [controller board?] failure in 1995, replaced, retired in 1999
      1994: Monitor on/off switch wore out (physical failure) & repaired, 2001; still in service
      1996: No failures to retirement, 2001
      1998: Laptop: multiple screw failure: Bottom fell out (literally), 2001
      2000: Added internal HDD died after 6 months [2003], replaced & still in service
      2001: No failures to retirement, 2005
      2004: HDD [media failure] 1 week into use (in service with replaced HDD)
      2005: Thankfully still OK :)

    8. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      1993: CD-ROM
      1994: Monitor
      1995: Monitor
      1996: CD-ROM
      1997: Photo scanner, case screws (tightened too much at the factory; I had to drill them out to open the case)
      1999: Zip drive (click of death)
      2003: Unknown failure; swapping out parts to diagnose the failure fixed it
      2004: Hard drive
      2004: Mainboard and graphics card
      2004: Memory? Mainboard? CPU? Something else entirely? Oddest computer problem I've ever had: only 16MB of RAM is recognized at startup, unless I hold the CPU cooling fan still during the first few seconds.
      2005? 2006? DVD-ROM (it's making funny noises, but still working)

      I've never had a power supply fail, and a good thing: most of the computers I own use custom PSUs.

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    9. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Shrubbman · · Score: 1

      Most small computer shops I'm aware of, in my neck of the woods at least, offer the cheap unbranded PSUs as well, basically the same ones you'd find in those cheap cases but obviously without the deadweight.

      I mean I recently spent ~$40 (Canadian, with tax) for a nice new 500 watt PSU to replace the old one that blew out on me... while I was running Prime95 to see if my CPU could take those extra few Mhz after I upped the CPU core voltage setting an eensy weensy bit... box is running more stable now than it did at the slower speed with the old PSU *lol*

    10. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      my list (not so long):
      1997: RAM (gradually died)
      1998: hard drive (5.25")
      1999: Motherboard (wouldn't boot)
      2000: CD burner (just stopped working)
      2002: video card (caused random freezes and failures for months until it finally died. could not figure out wtf the problem was until it died, despite pulling it and running w/ another card for a while)
      2003: Power supply
      2003: Power supply (already thoroughly used, and used as a replacement from an old Compaq for the previously failed psu)
      2004: motherboard (blown capacitor)

      All in all, I've not had a single disk failure of my own in the last 10 years (since I started computing), and fairly infrequent PSU problems. I chalk the latter up to having a battery backup unit which sanatizes the power and only buying high-quality PSUs (often 2x the median price). The former I attribute - in part - to buying good PSUs, decent hard drive brands, and being really fucking lucky. :P

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    11. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      companies not selling quality power supply units in OEM machines, mostly, I'd imagine. build it cheap, markit up.

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    12. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 1

      1999: Power Supply 2003: Athlon XP, due to my heatsink installing n00bness 2004: Soyo Motherboard, suspected power surge. The system shut down during a thunderstorm and never came back up. The proc, PS, and all other components were fine. I've checked for blown caps & scorched or melted chips but haven't seen anything. Still keeping it in storage if anyone has ideas. 2005: Cheap ass PCChips motherboard dies after months of weird failure, probably in the hard drive controller, that corrupted a windows system file and forced reinstallation after every reboot. Gleefully spent an hour in the basement with a hot-air gun rendering it down into a new clipboard.

    13. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by name773 · · Score: 1

      let me guess, you were mad at first, but ten minutes into melting the plastic you got a lot more gleeful?

    14. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Zerbey · · Score: 1

      1991: TV-out, twice (A Spectrum +2B no less, silly Amstrad mods but didn't suffer from the sound problems the +2A had). Dixons really screwed us on this deal, remember the huge scandal about them overcharging on interest? Yep, that was us. My Mum (who paid for it) was furious! After the 2nd failure we got our money back and bought a new one from Tandy. It still works great
      1994: Power supply, 3 times. Those Amstrad 7-486's had a design flaw with the power supply. The 4th power supply is still working though, as far as I know (I've not turned the box on in years)
      1999: Motherboard.

      That's it... I've been pretty lucky with my computers. I didn't even like Amstrad but still somehow ended up owning 2 PCs made by them. Oh, well.

    15. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 1
      Well, one day it died altogether, so I could finaly extract my sweet revenge for all those OS installs. A 900F air flow to the back side for a few minutes and a little shaking left me with a nice, smooth 8x11 red PCB with pretty wire traces and a big bucket 'o sockets.

      Also, sorry about skipping the break tabs, I was in too much of a rush to preview while reliving the joy of destruction.

    16. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by suckmysav · · Score: 1

      " Most small computer shops I'm aware of, in my neck of the woods at least, offer the cheap unbranded PSUs as well, basically the same ones you'd find in those cheap cases but obviously without the deadweight."

      Up until a few years ago, it was actually cheaper (in Australia) to buy a new case and rip the PSU out of it than it was to buy the exact same PSU on it's own. It had to do with the guv'mint import duties. Apparently "power supplies" in general were things that were also made in Australia, therefore imported power supplies would attract high levels of import duty. This is despite the fact that actual power supplies specifically for PC's were never actually made here at all.

      Computer cases on the other hand were not made here at all so you could import a case + PSU and not attract any extra import duty at all.

      You can imagine the consequences. Vast numbers of computer cases were imported, stripped of the PSU and those brand new cases were then unceremoniously dumped as landfill.

      The wastage was horrendous.

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    17. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by suckmysav · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "The PSU looks like cake after you do the motherboard"

      These days, yes, back in the old days pre ATX, when PC's had turbo buttons and "megahurtz LED displays" the powerswitch was often on the front of the case and their was 240 power being routed to the front panel. Ofetn times you had to remove the front panel so you could get to the powerswitch which also had to be removed, and occasionally you had to unsolder and resolder the switch back on to the power switch leads.

      It could be quite the PITA I assure you. I have some old PC's of this type running Linux to this day.

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    18. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Reziac · · Score: 1

      While I've never seen a *decent-quality* PSU fail (tho I've seen plenty of dead CHEAP ones) I can't begin to count all the times someone has come to me with a "dead power supply" when in fact all that died was the PSU fan. And the fans are easy to replace, and cost a lot less. Most PSUs take a standard case fan. Do be careful not to touch the capacators while you're inside, or you'll get a Rude Surprise[tm].

      As to the problem of PSU fans being hardwired in or having some weird plug, I hit on a simple (if recursive :) solution: cut and tape off the old wires, then replace the fan with a standard case fan, run its wire out the same hole as the PSU's own power cables, and plug the fan into one of said cables. Add splitters as needed, and try not to put the fan on the same cable as a hard disk. (Sharing a cable with the floppy drive is a good option.)

      The PSU in the machine I'm using as we speak is almost 11 years old; it was a high-end unit in its day. I've replaced its fan 3 or 4 times now.

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    19. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Reziac · · Score: 1

      It's the same here in the US, why I don't know. Frex, I can buy one of those RaidMax cases (which I like for many bays and easy to work inside) with PSU for about $30, or the PSU alone for about $35. Huh???

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    20. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Have you tried plugging the CPU fan into some other place, not into the usual motherboard plug? I'm wondering if it's drawing too much power at startup, leaving the RAM gasping for power.

      (Typing this from behind an almost 11 year old PSU :)

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    21. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Tobias.Davis · · Score: 1
      Windows 95 was released in 1996

      You insensitive clod!

    22. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by toddestan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And with Windows, replacing the motherboard either means reinstalling Windows, or messing with a ton of driver issues (unless you are so lucky to be replacing the motherboard with an identical one). But replace the power supply, and Windows is none the wiser. That fact alone makes changing power supplies far, far easier.

    23. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Have you tried plugging the CPU fan into some other place, not into the usual motherboard plug? I'm wondering if it's drawing too much power at startup, leaving the RAM gasping for power.

      Doesn't the fan draw more power when being held still than it does spinning? I wonder if it's a vibration issue. Very strange.

    24. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most annoying thing to do is bunp your medic alert bracelet, stainless steel, on the circuits that control your HDD with a good 80gb not backed up on it when installing a cool UV lighting system - felt very stoopid with a dead PC but a cool blacklight strobe...

    25. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Some things that went wrong with my PCs.
      One was when I used the heatsink/fan from a Pentium 166 MMX on a clone cyrix 300mhz part. That thing never worked right and eventually fried.
      Since then I have always used the manufacturer recommended cooling fan on all my CPUs.

      My current PC has a floppy drive that doesnt work (but with a CD burner, I havent had a reason to need a floppy)

      I also had a PC that got fried with an electrical surge (I can still remember the big burn mark next to one of the chips on the HDD controler card on the hard disk with all my data that I had yet to back up :( )

      Also had a video card (brand newish) that I installed such that the fan on the GPU was completly covered by another card, I think the fan stopped working on that one.

    26. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      1992: Power Supply
      1994: Power Supply
      1998: Power Supply
      1998: Monitor
      1999: Power Supply
      2003: CD Burner
      2004: Power Supply


      Did you ever try opening up the powersupply rather than just removing it? I've lost 2 power supplies, and both simply needed replacement fuses. Take the 4 screws off the PSU, then take off the 2 or 3 that hold the shell together. You'll always find one of those little glass fuses in there. I'm willing to bet you were just blowing those.

    27. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christ, why havn't they standardised that header and a nice, single, block connector for all those wires yet? How many times do I have to swap a connector because I got the +/- pins on the LED's the wrong way 'round? Gah!

    28. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you've blown a fuse, there's usually a damn good reason why you blew a fuse. Fuses are designed to blow, to protect other components downstream. Unless you're going to fix the problem that caused the fuse to blow in the first place, don't bother to replace the fuse. You'll regret it evntually when your PSU goes *poof* and lets out the magic smoke.

    29. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Ashtead · · Score: 1
      What has died here over the years. Most of this has been "natural death" rather than provoked.

      1987- XT Power supply, 2 years old, its replacement still works.
      1992- a 4 years old ST4144 120M HDD started producing bad sectors run in RLL, the same unit is still operating properly using MFM, yielding 80MB.
      1994- a 1 year old Conner hard disk started losing data to bad sectors.
      1996- Video card, hercules-compatible from the late 80s sometime stopped working
      1997- Hard Disk, (ST-225) 10 years old; replacement still works, though it is was purchased used and is probably about as old.
      2000- 10 years old hard disk in a portable computer gave out.
      2001- A 7 year old multi-serial card quit. Later this had been found to be caused by a bad power supply.
      2002- A 13 years old MVME320 controller/Miniscribe 70 MB assembly has stopped working. Could be either one, replacing the disk with a known good one didn't help, and I haven't been able to tell if the disk itself is bad. 2003- An 8 year old HP disk failed utterly.
      2003- A 6 year old Astec power supply failed in one machine.
      2004- An 8 year old Astec power supply failed
      2004- A 5 year old Compaq power supply failed
      2004- A 1 year old Maxtor disk seized. Still under warranty, I have it off to Maxtor for possible replacement.
      2004- The hard disk in a 2-year old DELL portable started failing when heated. Replaced; the disk still works OK when plugged into another machine. There are heating problems in that machine...
      2005- A 17 years old HP 300MB disk has started to produce bad sectors, in a swap area, so the disk is still readable, but probably going. Another disk of the same age in the same enclosure is still working fine.
      2005- A 2 year old Maxtor disk stopped, and it let out its magic smoke...

      As can be seen from the above, the main failures are disks and power supplies. Not really surprising, and some of this is fairly old equipment.

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    30. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Don't know for sure... but when you've got strange stuff happening, it may call for strange answers! :)

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    31. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by name773 · · Score: 1

      heh, that's entirely understandable :)

    32. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      If you've blown a fuse, there's usually a damn good reason why you blew a fuse. Fuses are designed to blow, to protect other components downstream. Unless you're going to fix the problem that caused the fuse to blow in the first place, don't bother to replace the fuse. You'll regret it evntually when your PSU goes *poof* and lets out the magic smoke.

      So if there's a blown fuse you just toss out the PSU and buy a new one.. to keep, umm the PSU from going poof? I say replace the fuse. So long as you use the right fuse the worst case is you'll blow the new fuse. $0.50 test that could save you $60 for a new PSU

    33. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      There's nowhere else to plug it in. The fan uses a two-pin connector with non-standard keying. And I doubt it's drawing too much power -- it's a 50mm low-speed fan.

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    34. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Stranger and stranger... what happens if you just totally unplug the offending fan?

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    35. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      I'll keep that in mind to try the next time I need to reboot that box -- which probably won't be until the next time the power goes out for more than 10 minutes.

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    36. Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Now we know the capacity on your UPS :)

      Of course, it could just be gremlins!

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  34. And the most common way to kill a computer is... by Krankheit · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Post a link to it's HTTP daemon on Slashdot.

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  35. Water/Coitus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Speaking as someone who has worked at a college computer store, I would have to say water/beer is the biggest enemy to the life of a computer.

    "OMG! I was just having a drink and chatting with my girlfriends online, and I accidentally spilled it on my laptop! Daddy, buy me a new one!"

    On several occaions, I have also run across a laptop that was damaged during...um...let's just say "coital activities". Those definitely make the hall of fame.

    1. Re:Water/Coitus by darkfrog · · Score: 1

      I had a girlfriend in college that spilled her bottle of water on her laptop and then her parents bought her a new one the next week. This really does happen!

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    2. Re:Water/Coitus by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      I have also run across a laptop that was damaged during...um...let's just say "coital activities"...

      - or that is what he wanted you to believe...

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    3. Re:Water/Coitus by hobbesx · · Score: 4, Funny
      I have also run across a laptop that was damaged during...um...let's just say "coital activities"


      College you say? Hate to break it to you man, those were all coitally related damage. The 'spilled water' group just tried to clean up first :)

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    4. Re:Water/Coitus by Bob+MacSlack · · Score: 1

      No no no!

      "OMG! I spilled beer in my laptop!" and send it back to the manufacturer for free warranty repair. I knew standard warranties were good for something!

  36. Two words... by JackBuckley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Windows ME. Seriously, all trolling aside, this is the worst operating system known to man.

    1. Re:Two words... by tubanic · · Score: 1

      Funny you should mention that, I had two professors tell me that yesterday.

    2. Re:Two words... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1
      Windows ME. Seriously, all trolling aside, this is the worst operating system known to man.
      Even worse than 98?
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    3. Re:Two words... by Kredal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Uh.. yes. 98 was stable as a rock compared to WinME.

      Of course, 3/4 of the inmates at the local asylum are more stable than WinME.

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    4. Re:Two words... by dmaxwell · · Score: 1

      Windows ME is basically 98 with a little extra suck added and the ability to boot straight to DOS (still very much there though) removed. It was strictly a gap-filler until they could get XP out the door.

    5. Re:Two words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know Maloonium was even an OS I've tried to install it but I have never been able to get it to boot. I've become conviced it is just some sort of insane scam or test of patience.

    6. Re:Two words... by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      Troll? Normally I don't have much patience with MS-bashing Linux Zealots, but in this case the man is right. ME is vile. Beyond words. Seriously. It even makes Gentoo look easy to get working well, primarily because ME refuses to work well at all.

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    7. Re:Two words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even worse than 98?

      Yes.

    8. Re:Two words... by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Yep. 98SE was the best "consumer grade" windows MS made.

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    9. Re:Two words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a FAT32 partition, loaded with Windows ME, which has been running in daily use (The Wife) for over two years now. Without reinstalling.

      The odd defrag, run a virus scanner & a firewall, clean up with AdWare occasionally and it seems happy enough. It helps that she doesn't install and uninstall loads of crud I guess.

      Not that it's perfect. MS Paint refuses to load for example, and just the other day it decided the second IDE channel (With the DVD drive on it) should be disabled. ("Code 10.", gee thanks Windows). Then it had a change of heart and it's worked since.

      I'll get around to upgrading it to XP one of these days..

  37. Mirrordot copy by Phil246 · · Score: 5, Informative

    heres the Mirrordot copy incase the thing totally dies: http://mirrordot.org/stories/4ec4acbeb790ac0270a10 94afdd09d56/index.html

    1. Re:Mirrordot copy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what do you mean, "In case"? it's been long dead...

    2. Re:Mirrordot copy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, mirrordot.org is slower than the real website, except for the ads, those pop up instantly on mirrordot.

    3. Re:Mirrordot copy by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      "Solving the Slashdot Effect", my ass.

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    4. Re:Mirrordot copy by Piquan · · Score: 3, Informative

      If only it had more than the first page.

    5. Re:Mirrordot copy by chris_sawtell · · Score: 2
      It's only the first page, 'nuff to get you interested and then totally frustrated!

      When is somebody going to come up with the torrent:// protocol? ( serious question )

  38. Hummmm by linkinp4rk410 · · Score: 0

    Looks like on of the things they listed just happened to their server.

  39. Entire glass of coke by pronobozo · · Score: 1

    I dropped an entire glass of coke into my computer. I just let it dry because I couldn't be bothered to clean it up...


    My computer had actually survived after booting it up a few hours later.

    The dust did seem to collect at an alarming rate after that though.

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    1. Re:Entire glass of coke by ninthwave · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I knew a sound engineer who would clean out mixing decks with sprite. He would just dump it down the fader slots. I managed to get him to switch to plain tonic water. The theory being if you did not have it plugged in or on the liquid would not conduct and the carbonation would remove grime sticking the faders. You just let it dry before turning it back on and all would be well.

      I only witnessed this act twice and it still gives me shivers.

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    2. Re:Entire glass of coke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dust did seem to collect at an alarming rate after that though.

      Maybe you should switch to diet--no sugar to make parts sticky

    3. Re:Entire glass of coke by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      As long as you let it completely evaporate - and yes, it has to be complete - I don't see why this wouldn't work. You also have to be sure that there's no battery backup or anything, but a fader's probably safe there.

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    4. Re:Entire glass of coke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      quote
      [The dust did seem to collect at an alarming rate after that though.]

      That was mold growing

    5. Re:Entire glass of coke by rhsanborn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't the sugar from the Sprite lock those things up worse than whatever he rinsed off?

    6. Re:Entire glass of coke by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Probably. That's why I stick to diet sodas.

      Or rather, don't stick.

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    7. Re:Entire glass of coke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the actual Real Genius quote is "I am reminded of..." not "I was thinking of..."

    8. Re:Entire glass of coke by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Every single source on the net disagrees with you, including IMDB.

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    9. Re:Entire glass of coke by lexus99 · · Score: 1

      This is not rocket science people. The sugar would make it really REALLY bad! At some point, maybe even months down the road, it WILL start to corrode the copper. I've seen it happen with soft drinks, wine and sweet coffee.

      Water, on the other hand, would usually not harm anything as long as your are QUICK to the switch. If the boards are easily removable, bake them in a oven for a few hours to dry them (low heat).

    10. Re:Entire glass of coke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure he wasn't using diet Sprite? The mildly acidic pop would be a nice gentle cleaner but the sugar residues could be a real problem. "Do you smell caramel?"

    11. Re:Entire glass of coke by ninthwave · · Score: 1

      possibly

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  40. Google cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    google to rescue

  41. Re:And the most common way to kill a computer is.. by iametarq · · Score: 1

    and i thought it was the beer people spilled on them from using CDrom trays as coasters.

  42. Killer Hard Drives (it kills power supplies) by GerbilSoft · · Score: 1

    My grandmother just got a new (old) computer from my uncle. They plugged it in, and the power supply exploded. I determined that the problem was the hard drive was causing a short-circuit, and the power supply didn't have any overload protection mechanisms. A new (old) hard drive and new (new) power supply worked.

  43. Ha... haaaa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Probably because it's not sure-fire. I've been running Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003 on my computers since each of those operating systems was released, and none of them have died on me. Say what you will, those are fucking rock-solid.

    1. Re:Ha... haaaa... by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've been running Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003 on my computers since each of those operating systems was released, and none of them have died on me. Say what you will, those are fucking rock-solid.

      Yeah I'll second that: I have Windows installed on my PC and it's never failed me ever since I installed Linux on my other partition!

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    2. Re:Ha... haaaa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er. Ooookaay. Spoken like someone who's never _seen_ "rock solid" - let alone linux on similar hardware, how about mainframes for rock-solid? Bet you can't even hot-swap a CPU out on your windows b bitty box...

    3. Re:Ha... haaaa... by TheIndividual · · Score: 1

      Yeah but unlike mainframe CPU's (Sun, are you listening?), x86 CPUs rarely fail under normal conditions.

    4. Re:Ha... haaaa... by temojen · · Score: 1

      You can hot-swap CPUs on a linux box (non-beowulf) now???

    5. Re:Ha... haaaa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This humor is so stale it's not even funny.

    6. Re:Ha... haaaa... by flewp · · Score: 1

      I'll third that, but the biggest issue is the users/admins of Windows boxes. I've never had a problem with Win2K Pro on my machine, but the family machine does occasionally have it's problems, mostly attributed to the users. One example being them using IE instead of Firefox even though I've told them a hundred times to use Firefox. When I came back from a trip to Europe earlier last year, I came back to find the machine painfully slow, and when I came back from a week long trip just two weeks ago, it was again riddled with problems. I've shown my mom how to run Spybot, Adaware, etc, but she tends to forget to, so every once in awhile I have to go in and clean it up.

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    7. Re:Ha... haaaa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    8. Re:Ha... haaaa... by son_of_asdf · · Score: 1

      Yep, no question. The Win 2000 box that I use for audio production has been up and running for almost three years now, and I never have trouble with it. I don't use it for anything but my audio stuff, occasional web browsing, and a few games, and the thing hums along nicely.

      If the user knows what the hell they are doing, a Win32 box can be a good machine for a long time. I think the fundamental problem is that most users expect that they will never have to think about anything when they are using thier machines. They don't read dialog boxes when they pop up. They don't question when a web site tells them to install an ActiveX control. They click on the links in thier spam. They do all sorts of things that will trash a Win32 box in no time flat, almost all of which could be avoided with a little education and vigilance on thier part.

      Problem with this is that few of these people have any desire to learn the things they need to know and do the things they need to do in order to keep thier machines running along. Run Ad-Aware once a week? Run Windows Update whenever the little icon harrasses me? Stop browsing to all of those porn sites that I like so much? Whatever.You can't win if the user isn't willing to do what they have to to keep themselves safe.

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    9. Re:Ha... haaaa... by suckmysav · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "One example being them using IE instead of Firefox even though I've told them a hundred times to use Firefox."

      Simple solution: Change all the shortcuts with the big blue "e" and point them to Firefox.

      You have to look at users like Pavlov looked at dogs

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    10. Re:Ha... haaaa... by cgsamurai · · Score: 0

      Um, they DO run automaticly whenever you want them to, every night/morning, whatever..... or where you a dumbass, and just expected them to work?

      Ahhhhh.... I see, blame it on mommy.

      Wipe next time she licks you there, maybe your brain might fall back out.

    11. Re:Ha... haaaa... by Jeff+Albertson · · Score: 1

      Many x86 CPUs aren't required to run 24/7 for the entire life of the system they are installed in. And if hardware 'bugs' cause failure, the machine is rebooted and 'software' is blamed.

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    12. Re:Ha... haaaa... by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Under some circumstances, Win98 will repair your Linux partition... It was one of two times I've ever used ReiserFS, so I can't tell if Windows deems Reiser more tasty or sumthing.

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    13. Re:Ha... haaaa... by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 1

      I agree, I have run XP/2000 for years, and except for a period where I had an underpowered PSU, I have never experienced blue screens or application errors. It IS a very "stocked up" computer, with a LOT of fancy hardware (Bluetooth, Wireless, TV card, SB Audigy2ZS Pro, SCSI, etc). Its solid as a rock, and i dont "shut down" at the end of the day, instead I either Hibernate or Suspend, and my total uptime is now over 500 hours.

      It depends on how your expertise on using XP. I would the same about Linux. I am not as knowledgeable in using Linux as I am in Windows, but again, my view is a crappily configured Linux box is just as unstable. The good thing abotu Linux is that most if not all distros come with sensible configurations, which means less tweaking afterwards, whilst XP requires a *lot* of tweaking.

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  44. Or theres by linkinp4rk410 · · Score: 0

    Attempting to edit logo.sys and accidently editing log.sys instead. Oops

  45. Re:Easy way to kill a PC? by shadowsurfr1 · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of that guy who hosted a webpage on his George Foreman grill. That must've killed it!

  46. ram by spac3manspiff · · Score: 1

    #99) hotswapping ram while the computer is running.

  47. Water In Monitor (CRT)! by temojen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Routed CRT internal voltage levels down VGA cable to motherboard. Bad bad, very bad. The magic smoke escaped, while making several bangs.

    1. Re:Water In Monitor (CRT)! by Bri3D · · Score: 1

      Exactly how did you get water in there? Water anywhere is conductive and thus will kill whatever electronics it hits...

    2. Re:Water In Monitor (CRT)! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Water is not conductive, the impurities are conductive. If the electronics are off, water usually will not cause any damage. It is common practice to wash old mainboards in the dishwasher for retro computing.

    3. Re:Water In Monitor (CRT)! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't speak for the grandparent, but in my case it involved a roof window, a broken fan, and a beautiful morning that turned into a horrible afternoon.

    4. Re:Water In Monitor (CRT)! by temojen · · Score: 1

      Roof leak.

    5. Re:Water In Monitor (CRT)! by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Get one pin bent on a CRT display cable and you can surely and silently fry your mobo as well. That lesson cost me (okay, the client) about 3 pc's. Lesson -- check the cable pins before you plug it in.

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    6. Re:Water In Monitor (CRT)! by plover · · Score: 1
      Heh. We got a support call on a cash register once. "Hi, there's water coming out of my cash drawer." "Excuse me?!?" "Water. Coming out of the cash drawer." "Get away from it, and if the plug is dry, pull it out of the wall!!!"

      Turns out it was a leaky pipe that had water following the drawer cable from the wall down to the till.

      But that wasn't the best water experience: I was in my cube and heard a giant *>SPLASH<*!!! Went over to my supervisor's cube, where there was an inch of water on his floor, the PC and keyboard knocked off his desk, and water pouring out of the keyboard. Big messes of other junk just floating in the water with it all. I took a dry wooden broomhandle and whacked the power button on his powerstrip, then waited for him to come in to get the whole story.

      Turns out there was a roof leak above his cube. He complained to the building people, and the maintenance guy balanced a teetering plastic wastebasket on top of the open light fixture over his cube. My supe asked him "how often do I have to empty it?" to which the guy replied, "don't bother, it'll probably evaporate faster than it will fill up." Apparently, that part wasn't true. And once the basket filled up enough, it got so heavy it swing the light fixture over far enough to tip the wastebasket off. Kind of like playing "Mousetrap".

      Oh well, he got a new PC out of the deal.

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    7. Re:Water In Monitor (CRT)! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The magic smoke escaped...

      Yeah. The same thing happened to me when the duct tape melted off of one of the holes somebody put into the back of the case.

  48. Power Supplies by ByTor-2112 · · Score: 1

    I've been through quite a few power supplies... Some of them barely lasted a year before dying. The last time one died, I scavenged one from an old 386 that I had lying around. It's been running 24/7 for almost two years with no sign of slowing down. Guess they just don't make 'em like they used to.

    1. Re:Power Supplies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're using an old AT style PSU for a 386 with those 2 plugs? What kind of crappy PC are you running now?

      Modern PCs are ATX and that old PSU would never work, plus its probably like 200watts

      i call bs! (unless you're current pc is a 486 or a Pentium 166mhz or something)

    2. Re:Power Supplies by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      I have seen some Pentium II motherboards with dual AT/ATX power.

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    3. Re:Power Supplies by Skrybe · · Score: 1

      I've had a similar experience. Killed a couple decent, new PSUs and since the stores were closed at the time I put in a dodgy old 250W PSU from an old machine (my first ATX PSU) and it's still running fine 18 months later.

      Surefire way to kill the PC, get a PSU with a voltage switch on the back. You know the ones that change it from 115/230v. Plug it in turn it on then flip the switch to the other voltage. BANG! Dead pc.

      Surprised that pets aren't high on the list. My (otherwise) great pet dogs (pups at the time) used to like chewing the network leads, speaker cables, mouse cable... power cables. It's only luck that I caught them at it a couple times and stopped them before they actually broke through the plastic sheathing.

  49. Old-school = damn near invulnerable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ditto for my Apple ][, minus all the domestic troubles and incompetence. Every single one of the IC's on the motherboard tests out fine to this day. Runs like new. Power supply, CPU, keyboard, everything's original - hell, even the Shugart Disk ][ drives. You could take it back to 1977 and they'd think you bought it yesterday.

    1. Re:Old-school = damn near invulnerable by kyouteki · · Score: 1

      Except for the yellowed plastic, right?

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  50. Pah! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've been running with the same 250w power supply for ten years now, and I've never had a prob...

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    1. Re:Pah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been running with the same 250w power supply for ten years now, and I've never had a prob... *NO CARRIER*

    2. Re:Pah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Odd, because I end up having to buy a couple quality 350w PSU's a year at least...

  51. Pcstat.com already killed by zymano · · Score: 0, Redundant

    They need to read their own article.

  52. I know the easiest way to kill your monitor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Keep messing with the contrast in a futile attempt to read the IT section of Slashdot. That should kill it in a matter of hours.

    Here is a readable version for those who don't have a death wish for their monitors.

  53. Not Funny: Fake Components China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The Chinese are notorious for producing fake products and fake parts. They have found their way into aircraft, automobiles, and, ... yes ... personal computers (PCs). These fake parts usually fail quickly and suddenly, often leading to a hazardous situation. Imagine a landing gear (on an aircraft) suddenly collapsing.

    The lesson here is that, in order to avoid "killing" your PC, you must verify that all parts are the very best. Avoid the "Made in China" label. In made cases, it is a death sentence. Failing brakes on a car, anyone?

  54. Highly Unlikely, eh? by Ummu · · Score: 0

    But a Microsoft spokeswoman told eWeek that it was "highly unlikely" that Longhorn will be released after the consent decree expires in November 2007. "Any and all relevant APIs will be disclosed as documented on release of the product," she added.

    Well, Microsoft is pretty good at doing the impossible.

  55. Power supply! by mboverload · · Score: 1
    Power supply is the number 1 option because people buy these 15 dollar power supplys never windering why they cost so little. They are poorly made, and when they go, they will be happy to take your computer with you.

    I was burned once for my stupidity (lost video card, mobo, and powersupply, not sure why the video card). Now I always buy top-of-the-line PSU's. The expensive ones have more features anyway like a see-through case and fan-speed controls. I am not going to risk 800+ bucks because I wanted to save 30 bucks.

    1. Re:Power supply! by MrP-(at+work) · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not totally true.

      My PC had a cheapo 250 or 300 watt PSU that came with the case (case+cpu was like $25 total)

      i moved to my current apartment and within a few months the PSU blew. All the capacitors popped, fan died, smoked and smelt up my room. Luckily it was just the PSU that died

      So I got a nice expensive PSU.. 6 months later i noticed the voltages were dropping on my monitoring program.. i thought it must be a mistake, bad sensors or something.. But it kept getting worse.. Until a couple of months ago when i noticed tons of RF interference with my TV tuner..

      Then last month my hard drive would occasional click off then instantly spin back up and lock my pc.. a reboot would fix it for several days

      Then last week, click, spin up, lock.. reboot, click, spin up, lock, reboot, etc.. the PSU could no longer power my hard drives

      Why? Crappy wiring in my crappy apartment. Brownouts and surges. So I bought another PSU, and now an APC LE-1200 line conditioner/voltage regulator. It's working great.. except I found out the outlets in my room are not grounded (the voltage regulators Ground Fault Indicator came on, so I plugged in a cheap AC circuit tester, it indicated OPEN GROUND, so I used a multimeter to confirm it, yep not grounded.. argh!)

      Wonder if thats why I always get static shocks whenever i touch stuff in my room.

      Anyway, i guess what im saying is even good expensive PSUs can go bad cause of crappy home wiring and whatnot.

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    2. Re:Power supply! by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 1

      I found out the outlets in my room are not grounded (the voltage regulators Ground Fault Indicator came on, so I plugged in a cheap AC circuit tester, it indicated OPEN GROUND, so I used a multimeter to confirm it, yep not grounded.. argh!)

      Jeeez, surely that's not legal?!

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    3. Re:Power supply! by MrP-(at+work) · · Score: 1

      Probably not but my landlord wont do anything about it (or maybe he'll attach a wire to the center screw and connect it to our baseboard heating pipe.. and I thinking grounded to plumbing has been illegal since 1990)

      I dont know what to do, theres no other outlets near my room and thats where my pc is.

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    4. Re:Power supply! by Nik13 · · Score: 1

      That's completely legal. Most old houses are like that. Mine is, not a single grounded outlet (just renting it, so I can't just rewire it). It's not that uncommon really. Add a few quick power outages or browouts, then you get dead UPS'es and power supplies. In average I have to replace a UPS and 2 or 3 power supplies a year (and they're good ones too).

      Other than that, next thing on the list would be HD's (had really really bad luck with western digitals, but my maxtors just won't die).

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    5. Re:Power supply! by Engineer+Andy · · Score: 1

      i'm not a power / elec engineer. would a power conditioner help in this case?

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    6. Re:Power supply! by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Wonder if thats why I always get static shocks whenever i touch stuff in my room.

      Probably...but I wouldn't bet on those being due to static electricity.

      Talk to the building manager. If he doesn't fix it, talk to the fire department.

    7. Re:Power supply! by Rasta+Prefect · · Score: 1
      Jeeez, surely that's not legal?!

      Most certainly not code. (Not anywhere I've ever lived anyway).

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    8. Re:Power supply! by Nik13 · · Score: 1

      It would help (making voltage constant, remove noise/spikes, ...) but having a ground is still quite important. Surge suppressors (and UPS'es) need it to give proper protection. GFCI's require them as well (actually, I do have a grounded plug: the GFCI in the bathroom).

      The real fix is getting some new wiring instead, and it would be cheaper than a power conditionner - especially if you can do some of the work yourself.

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    9. Re:Power supply! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the requirement of a ground for GFCI's a new one? I thought that these outlets would actually afford some protection with no ground; one of their safety benefits.

    10. Re:Power supply! by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's pretty common in older houses that originally only had two-prong outlets (even if they've been replaced with 3-prong outlets). Frex, I have two houses built in the 1950s -- one with new wiring (it was vacant for years and mice ate the wiring, so it got totally replaced in 2000) and one with the original wiring from 1958 -- done with a permit, and installed to code at the time.

      The new wiring (with all new 3-prong outlets) has proper grounds, and it TESTS as having proper grounds.

      The old wiring TESTS as "no ground". I'm not an electrician and don't know the proper terms, but there are only the two minimum wires as required to make the juice flow. Some prior owner has replaced the old two-prong outlets with 3-prong outlets (so modern plugs can be used without cutting off the ground plug) but that doesn't make it magically have a proper ground circuit.

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  56. Getting drunk and mistaking it for a urinal? by Timmy+D+Programmer · · Score: 0, Troll

    I don't see it on the list, surely I can't be the only one?

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  57. Back in my day... by tomcode · · Score: 1

    I was warned that smoking can corrupt those 5 1/4" floppies. Bad news for us hackers in Jr High School.

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    1. Re:Back in my day... by JerBear0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      How the crap do you smoke a floppy? Or more importantly, why? ;)

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    2. Re:Back in my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask your mom.

    3. Re:Back in my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      omg! ..and the troll-of-the-year award goes to!

      wow that was awesome

  58. Hard drives? by terrencefw · · Score: 1
    In 2004, I had a total of 6 hard drive failures:

    • The 20GB Hitachi in my laptop (8 months old)
    • The 120GB Maxtor in my colo server (12.001 months old)
    • A 2 month old 120GB WD in my media centre PC
    • The warranty replacement of the 120GB WD drive, after 2 weeks
    • An 80GB Maxtor in my Sun U5
    • An ancient 2.5GB drive in my firewall
    Any ideas anyone? Different makes, different machines, mostly on UPS's.
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    1. Re:Hard drives? by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Strong magnetic fields? Maybe you're at a convergence in the earth's magnetic field. ;)

      Dan East

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    2. Re:Hard drives? by Delusional · · Score: 1
      Avoid consumer-grade WD like the plague. I've encountered loads of catastrophic failures with WD, occasional probs with Hitachi/IBM and Maxtor, but never a hiccup from my Seagates.

      No, I don't own stock.

    3. Re:Hard drives? by daniel23 · · Score: 1

      Hd failures are leading my list of defective computer parts with nothing else coming even close to it.

      I had bought a number of maxtor drives at the end of the nineties when maxtors 40GB drive were both the largest and most affordable consumer EIDE drives.
      They came with a three years warranty then and to my utter astonishment the entire maxtor family (5 drives) managed to die within weeks to months after the respective warranties ran out.

      Clack-clack-click clack-clack-click - the sound of maxtor.

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    4. Re:Hard drives? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Strange... if it were all one machine I'd point at the PSU, but... Maybe the power coming in is bad in some way that the UPSs don't correct? When you see a LOT of HD failures (including too many random bad sectors on an otherwise-healthy, non-crashed drive), it's usually something to do with bad power from *somewhere*.

      I would have the power company test your lines. A while back I was seeing momentary brown-downs (like when an appliance first comes on), complained to Edison, and turns out one of the wires on the drop to my house was bad and was occasionally shorting against a nearby tree. They fixed that, and the brown-downs went away.

      If it's not in the lines, have an electrician check your house wiring and fuse panel.

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  59. Salt by Skevin · · Score: 2

    As those of your who live in beachfront houses already know, salt tends to destroy lots of things around the house. My office was in a Malibu beach house right up against the ocean, and all machines we got were completely rusted over within the year. Maybe manufacturers don't think about corrosive elements in the air...

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    1. Re:Salt by evilviper · · Score: 1
      My office was in a Malibu beach house right up against the ocean, and all machines we got were completely rusted over within the year.

      I still don't understand what the problem was. Lead (solder) doesn't rust, neither do aluminum connectors, or the nickel-plated connectors most computer hardware uses. If it was just the case, you can always get something aluminum, or ones that are mostly plastic.

      So what problems was the salt causing?
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    2. Re:Salt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I still don't understand what the problem was. Lead (solder) doesn't rust, neither do aluminum connectors, or the nickel-plated connectors most computer hardware uses. If it was just the case, you can always get something aluminum, or ones that are mostly plastic.

      I'm guessing you are not a sailor.

      Aluminum, copper, steel, lead and brass will all corrode beautifully and almost any combination of two different metals in electrical contact with each other and an ionic solution (like the salty moisture in sea air) will form a battery and hence corrode in all sorts of wierd and wonderful ways.

  60. What this means... by Dan+East · · Score: 1

    is that for those of us that know what's going on, we can get "dead" machines for basically free and fix them for next to nothing.

    Our beater home PC is a PIII 500 MHz with a 15" LCD Panel.

    The PC came from a guy who had an electrical short in his breaker box that sent 220 V to all the 110 V recepticles (this is in the US). His homeowner insurance basically replaced all electronics in his home wholesale. He gave me his dead PC in exchange for the work I did setting up his new PC (temporarily installing the drive from his old machine into the new to recover files). I opened it up and found a capacitor had been fried in the power supply. I already had the cap, which saved me from buying a $1 component at Radio Shack, so I had a PC for free (this was a few years ago when 500 MHz wasn't too shabby).

    Now for the 15" monitor. Another guy had it laying around his house for a year, because his sister's kids had plugged the wrong power adapter into it and it no longer worked. After doing some computer work a couple times for him (for free), he gave me the monitor and said if I could fix it I could have it, otherwise toss it. So after opening it up I found it had a tiny surface mount ceramic fuse. I bridged that bad boy and had a perfectly functioning like-new 15" LCD monitor.

    So I've got an entire computer system for free as the result of power supply failures.

    Dan East

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  61. Blood...and Fire....., by Shadow_139 · · Score: 0

    I used to work in a Computer Retail Shop and had repair / Test any hardware brought back.
    The one of the weirdest things I was a PC that would not boot..., when I checked the Motherboard, I found the F%cker who insisted he was a IT Expert had cut his hand & 2 of the PCI slots and the AGP were covered in Blood....
    Shorted the board out and blow a $799 graphics card.

    But the biggest and most common people putting the full tube of heat sink gel ALL over the CPU...
    I saw a AMD CPU covered 2 inches thick with Arctic Silver over BOTH sides of the chip....,
    Or the half Melted Motherboard there the guy put DDR in the wrong way and the DIMM slot melted and the ram was black..., he them tried it in the other slot...!?!?!?!?!?

  62. Um, riiight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spoken like someone who's never _seen_ "rock solid" - let alone linux on similar hardware, how about mainframes for rock-solid?

    Linux is stable. Mainframes are stable. Windows 2K/XP/2K3 are stable. What, pray tell, is your point?

    Bet you can't even hot-swap a CPU out on your windows b bitty box...

    Why the hell would I want to?

  63. oh n0es... by Cryptnotic · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Slashdot, the most successful way to kill a cheap webserver.

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  64. Mac? by cyberfunk2 · · Score: 1

    Kill a PC: Buy a mac ?

    1. Re:Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been through 3 power supplies on my iBook. The power plug is on the side of the computer so the power cord has to bend 90 degrees. If you're not careful and pull too hard on the plug, you'll bend the wire right where it connects to the computer. After awhile it will wear through the insulation internally. You'll know the power supply is dead when you see sparks coming from that little bend in the wire. Fortunately my computer still works after replacing the power supply.

  65. Nope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No yellowing here. Your original ]['s and ][ Pluses don't get that unless they've been stored around bad air - cigarettes etc. My ][ looks fine as paint.

  66. Hairspray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That stuff will slowly kill a mainframe. A PC doesn't stand a chance.

  67. AOPEN board by francisew · · Score: 1

    A few weeks back I replaced all the major caps on an old AOPEN motherboard that had unexpectedly died. Now it works again.

    Interesting that AOPEN didn't provide any tech support response, or offer to recall/exchange the obviously defective boards. (6 caps were blown on the 1 motherboard, all with the same branding)

    No more AOPEN for me. Now I've got a nice big G5. :)

    1. Re:AOPEN board by suckmysav · · Score: 1

      No more AOPEN for me.

      To be fair, the dodgy cap problem affected many other mobo manufacturers too, but no props to Aopen for not acknowledging the problem and offering to resolve it.

      Now I've got a nice big G5. :)

      Fair enough then, if you've got the cash, why the hell not go for a Mac?

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    2. Re:AOPEN board by ikea5 · · Score: 1
      (6 caps were blown on the 1 motherboard, all with the same branding)

      when a cap failed, it usually brings down others within a series.

    3. Re:AOPEN board by francisew · · Score: 1

      I agree, but only 1 particular brand of capacitors had blown, and they had blown all over the board. All the remaining caps were another brand, and they all survived (even though they were similar were of similar magnitude, and in close proximity to the blown caps).

      I'm pretty sure that that brand was just crap. I later saw another board in my lab with blown caps. Again, the same brand (the only caps on the other board to blow). The motherboards were different brands, but they had been purchased within 6 months of eachother. The only common component were those caps. Again, with the 2nd board, after replacing the caps, the board has worked fine since.

    4. Re:AOPEN board by IWorkForMorons · · Score: 1

      While I've never had an AOPEN die on me (still have a Cel 300 on one), I will attest to their status as crap. Or at least low quality. Random reboots...unstability...oh yeah, I know it all.

      As a testiment to buying good quality, my last system was built with ASUS parts: A7V333 and a GF4 Ti4200 with a XP2200+. The only parts I skimped on were the memory and the case. The case came with some unknown PSU, which has problems on the 3.3 and 5 volt rails. The memory was some local Chinese-guy owned shop special (no offence to Chinese guys, but they seem to run a lot of discount PC shops in the area). Can't do anything without a heatsink and fan on it. The memory well enough that I can live with it, but I'm a little nervous about the PSU. It's never really given me problems, but I'd hate to come home one day to a large expensive flaming paperweight...

  68. Well that's better ... sigh by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    Ultimately if they are replaced under warranty then the manufacturer or supplier foots the bill...

    Strangely enough those costs will come right back round to the school again (next computers will cost more) and to the taxpayers.

  69. Nearly burned down my house by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just a couple of weeks ago a PC nearly burned down the house. I was out the front and heard frantic calls, came round the back to find smoke pouring out one of the windows, I mean thick acrid black smoke. Neighbours had already called the fire brigade.

    Anyway they arrived in a couple of minutes and went inside and put it out. Luckily there were two windows open and a good breeze blowing in one and our the other so the damage was minimal (all smoke went straight out the window).

    The PC was completetly incinerated though, I've never seena anything like it, the hard drive was actually warped from the heat generated in that steel case. The plastic fascia was gone, just, not there any more, the motherboard, well what loosly resembled one was pretty much ash. The solder holding the ICs obviously melted and they had popped off etc. Luckily, it wasn't my PC, and it was only an old P200 or something, or I'd be up shit creek.

    It burned right through the carpet immediatly under the case, and burnt a good impression into the wooden floor beneath. Burnt a chunk out of a couch next to it, but it was caught early enough that there wasn't really any other damage.

    I can't see what caused it, the heat generated inside the case was incredibly intense, basically anything inside it that could vaporise, did.

    Let it be a warning - install smoke alarms near your PC if you leave it running unattended.

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    1. Re:Nearly burned down my house by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      You're making me nervous. I keep my computer under my bed, and it's on 24/7.

      I can't imagine what could be inside a case that could be so flammable.

    2. Re:Nearly burned down my house by the+pickle · · Score: 1

      You didn't happen to have a NeXT Cube inside that case, did you? :-p

      p

    3. Re:Nearly burned down my house by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Funny

      that happened to me while i was playing doom 3 recently, actually. I shot it before it could finish spawning, but had to grab the chemical extinguisher anyway.

      (kidding)

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    4. Re:Nearly burned down my house by tektek · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you sure it wasn't running a prototype of the dual-core P4s?

    5. Re:Nearly burned down my house by compwiz3688 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Let it be a warning - install smoke alarms near your PC if you leave it running unattended.

      <voice char="Agent Smith">
      What good is a smoke alarm when you are unable to hear?
      </voice>

    6. Re:Nearly burned down my house by karnal · · Score: 1

      Electricity through a short can cause a lot of heat.

      I once (in my college days) wired up an "extension" cord for my radar detector... out of speaker wire.

      Note to everyone. Do not use speaker wire to carry high current.

      Anyways, long story short, the cable at some point shorted somewhere in the middle. Burnt a nice hole in my carpet of my "new-to-me" car (in the shape of the cord lying on the mat) and burnt the hell out of my hand as I tried to remove the cable/end from the lighter plug.

      Apparently, the fuse never blew, because there was enough resistance through the hot wire to keep the amperage in check...

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    7. Re:Nearly burned down my house by takochan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am starting to wonder if these PC fires might be due to the "exploding capacitor" problem from that era (where the Taiwan company that stole (and miscopied) the recipe for making capacitors, which then, after 5 years or so, pop, spilling eletrolyte all over a running PC motherboard).

      I have read around the net recently several cases of fires happening (but someone was near the PC and shut it off right away, then saw where the smoke came from (around the board where the eletrolyte had spilled out of the pop'd capacitor) after opening it.

      Urban legend or is this going to be more of a problem as PCs from this era start exhibiting this problem more as their capacitors 'expire'?

    8. Re:Nearly burned down my house by Reziac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In the murky past, some corporate IT departments always made everyone shut down their PCs when they left for the night, because of the risk of the PSU catching fire.

      I know someone whose old Mac's PSU caught fire -- flames shot out the back and caught the curtains and wall behind it on fire too! Fortunately she had a kitchen-sized fire extinguisher that got it under control before the fire department arrived, tho a chunk of the wall had to be replaced. Amazingly, the hard disk survived this abuse, with no data lost.

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    9. Re:Nearly burned down my house by Rie+Beam · · Score: 1

      Maybe it was arson?

    10. Re:Nearly burned down my house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was in a similar position.

      My PC would occationally shut down when it got too hot (when the ambient temperature was high)..

      On one such day, I was just about to go out when I heard a large POP, like the kind you hear when a light bulb explodes. I rushed back and noticed some pretty impressive firewords and smoke. I turned off the computer power but it still persisted.

      I finally pulled the plug and things were okay. My power supply was burnt pretty badly, but fortunately my PC surivied. If I had left one minute earlier, my apartment and everything I own would be toast -- literally.

    11. Re:Nearly burned down my house by darrylo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I am starting to wonder if these PC fires might be due to the "exploding capacitor" problem from that era (where the Taiwan company that stole (and miscopied) the recipe for making capacitors, which then, after 5 years or so, pop, spilling eletrolyte all over a running PC motherboard).

      Well, the "exploding capacitors" that I've seen, are really more along the lines of "leaky capacitors" (hey, given the choice between "leaky" and "exploding", which one do you think people are going to use? ;-). The electolyte slowly leaks out and dries out to a light brown crusty substance. No explosions, there.

      However, depending upon the capacitor's purpose, changing the capcitance (or changing the capacitor into a "not-quite-a-capacitor"), could also have Very Bad Effects. ;-(

      Another (rare?) possibility is hairline cracks/fractures in surface-mount components (possibly caused by the way the device is soldered to the board, IIRC). Some years back, I ran into a web page that had some pretty detailed descriptions of surface-mount component failure modes. In some cases, surface-mount capacitors (I think) could pass some phenomenal amounts of current in some failure mode, easily burning an hole and possibly causing a fire. Very Scary Stuff. Unfortunately, the site that had the page took it down and started charging people to see it.

      (Soon after I saw that, a co-worker's laptop got Real Hot, and something burned a nasty hole in the bottom, and scorched a piece of desk, too, I think. I always assumed that it was some kind of surface-mounted device failure, but that was just a wild guess on my part.)

    12. Re:Nearly burned down my house by evilviper · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Let it be a warning - install smoke alarms near your PC if you leave it running unattended.

      I have a few questions that could pretty easily narrow down the cause.

      First, did you have the computer on a surge protector or UPS? If so, was it still working properly aftwards, or did it show that it needed to be replaced?

      Did your power supply's fuse blow, or not? All the power supplies I've ever taken apart have had fuses.

      If the fuse didn't blow, and the surge protector/UPS wasn't overloaded, then just about the only possibility is that something just got quite hot (eg. heatsink fell off) and there was highly flamable material inside the computer, possibly the paint used on the case, or perhaps a lot of plastic inside, such as numerous very large fans? Or, maybe somebody just spilled their vodka :-)

      I've seen a lot of computers blown to pieces by surges, failing capacitors, cheap power supplies, etc, but never catching on fire, so you had a rather unique situation.
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    13. Re:Nearly burned down my house by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Which confirms the old saying: if your backup is in the same house/building as your main computer, you DON'T HAVE a backup.

    14. Re:Nearly burned down my house by toddestan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Probably dust, hair, cat fur, that sort of thing is very flammable. From the dust bunnies I have seen under most beds, it is no place for a running PC.

    15. Re:Nearly burned down my house by cra · · Score: 1

      No wonder your computer caught on fire if you had two wondows open at the same time! Mine gets pretty hot just from running on einstance of windows.

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    16. Re:Nearly burned down my house by shippo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a particular model of Digital Terresital TV set-top box, sold only in the UK, that suffered from this fault. One of the capacitors on the main board has a habit of exploding after a year or so of use. Most have either died or had the component replaced now, as the model hasn't been made for at least 2 year. However, it's possible that there's still the odd one or two still in use, or even sat on the shelf of a supplier somewhere.

    17. Re:Nearly burned down my house by Yankel · · Score: 1
      Just a couple of weeks ago a PC nearly burned down the house... smoke pouring out one of the windows...
      I guess it was too late to kill the offending process/smokey window or simply reboot?
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    18. Re:Nearly burned down my house by bugurk · · Score: 1

      We succeded. Our house burnt down, due ( probably) to an electrical fault in a computer. The damage was too extensive to be sure. The computer shown is mine, but the fire started in a room at the other end of the house. Learn from our mistake: Insurance is your friend! http://lordsnott.is-a-geek.net/gumby/jezz.html

    19. Re:Nearly burned down my house by J-Doggqx · · Score: 1

      So that's why all the capacitors on my last mother board went. The guys at work were completely amazed when I brought it in for "show and tell". It was about 5 years old too...

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  70. Really? by Cambrant · · Score: 1

    That's no surprise at all. I've only ever killed two computers of mine, and both were the victims of a failing power supply unit. I was thinking; since it's possible to block electrical shocks from entering vital equipment by placing a blocking device in between the wall and the power cord, why not use such a device in a computer? Let's say all powercords from the PSU were shock protected, wouldn't that save tons of motherboards every year from burning up?

    1. Re:Really? by name773 · · Score: 1

      the good PSUs have overvoltage protection, if that's what you mean. that costs money though, and many people opt for the really cheap PSUs that break things when they blow.

  71. True Story by HonkyLips · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ok, this actually happened.
    One day our secretary comes to me and says her keyboard isn't working properly. I just assume it died naturally and so I grab a replacement from a pile in my cupboard and hand it over. 30 minutes later she comes back and says that the one I gave her is broken too. Now that seems strange, so I go to her system and do a full check, thinking that either her motherboard is faulty, or something is shorting out the keyboards, or she has some practical joke walware like the old Amiga virus which re-mapped keystrokes but only if you typed fast enough. After a thorough check, I confirm her system is OK and both keyboards are indeed dead. I take another spare keyboard from the cupboard, test it on my computer first to make sure it works properly, and then give it to her. 5 minutes later I decide I better check to see if it's OK, so I walk over to her desk just in time to see her take a bottle of spray'n'wipe, spray a massive amount directly into the keys, wipe them off, then bang the keyboard upside down against the edge of her desk to dislogde any dirt which may have been there.
    The 3rd keyboard she got that day was a new one so she didn't have the urge to clean it. It still works.
    The funny thing is that I felt an immense sense of relief knowing why they broke. 3 keyboards "mysteriously" dying in an hour is something I don't understand and makes me nervous, however stupidity is something I do understand and just accept.

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    1. Re:True Story by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I would have wanted to strangle that woman. Seriously. She's like a retarded monkey that keeps running into the electric fence to get to the bannanas.

      not entirely on topic, but freshman year of college (2000) I had a friend with a viral video card. Literally.

      The motherboard he had it in orignally died, so he replaced the motherboard. Plugged everthing in, started it up, and nothing. So he sent it back, assuming it was defective. While he was waiting for the 3rd motherboard, he plugged the card into his old system and... it didn't start up. That's when he figured it out, and ordered a new video card for the new board.

      Everything worked fine after that.

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    2. Re:True Story by Bob+MacSlack · · Score: 5, Funny

      At first I thought maybe you were in the same dorm I was. One of the guys down the hall wanted a new computer, but wasn't experienced enough to build it from scratch, so he paid my roommate to build him one. So my roommate buys all the components online, and a couple weeks later we assemble it to make sure everything works before we put it in the case. Everything works fine, so we stick it in the case. Turn it on. Nothing. We pulled out all the extra cards. Nothing. Swapped video cards. Nothing. Processor. Nothing. My roommate goes out and buys a new motherboard, assuming this is the problem. 3 returns later, the system still doesn't work. Worst part is, all the components work when they're not together (after further testing, none of the "broken" motherboards were in fact broken).

      Eventually he just called it a loss and sold all the parts to other people in the dorm (I still use that sound card too!). Later I discovered that the case itself was cursed. Not even kidding! Nothing would run out of it, ever. It has the amazing ability to render any setup inoperable, even with a new PSU. Discovering this, I of course did the logical thing and gave it to a guy I didn't like very much who was building a computer himself.

    3. Re:True Story by omeomi · · Score: 2, Informative

      He probably forgot to install the little things that raise the motherboard up away from the metal case...he was likely shorting the mobo out on the case...

    4. Re:True Story by cyxxon · · Score: 1

      Uh, had something like that myself. Back then, I decided to upgrade my system from a P200 to I think it was a K6-2-450 or so. I drove to a friend's friend who had a compuzter business, got a new Gigabyte motherboard and a CPU and Ram, and went home again and began to swap the parts. This wasn't the first machine I had built, but the new machine would not even turn on, nothing. Reassembled everything, still nothing. Well, it was still only 5 PM or something, so I drove back to the shop, and put the whole PC on his desk. He looks at it, plugs it in, still nothing, unscrews all screws holding the mother board in places, takes it in his hands and lifts it out of the case. As soon as it was outside the case, the fans started running, and the machine booted. He quickly lowered it again, and it turned off. It wasn' toughing anything, no metal of the case, nothing, just the cables and his hands. We tried that several times, and then he asked me if it was ok if he gave me a new case and a new motherboard, since he found this interesting and wanted to study it. Never asked again, though...

    5. Re:True Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This used to be a not-uncommon problem. One assembler I knew called them "ghost cases". My best theory is that there is a whisker somewhere that causes the case itself to carry a current. The solution is usually to isolate the MB with insulating washers on ALL the screws.

    6. Re:True Story by clarkc3 · · Score: 1

      I once had the washers sill not fix that problem. In the end, my solution was i used duct tape and taped the foam insulation that came with the motherboard to the aluminum between the motherboard and the case. 7 years later that computer is still working fine and I can honestly say I used duct tape to fix my computer :)

    7. Re:True Story by drew · · Score: 1

      more likely, the case was slightly bent out of shape and would short out certain areas of the motherboard even with the standoffs properly installed. i had one of these in college- the case got whcked out of shape by fedex shipping it home one summer. fortunately all of the components still worked except the motherboard, which i got fedex to pay for, but the case was never useful again. i very nearly fried two motherboards trying to figure out why, though.

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  72. Exploding PC! by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    I was working when a computer near me literally exploded.

    It was a 486, running with it's case off, and it had probably been on for months if not years straight. Suddely there's a loud bang, a bright flash and a lot of smoke.

    What we decided happened was that the motherboard must have slowly heated up and melted around the power connector. Finally this hit a critical point and the connector shorted against the bottom of the case.

    Old school power supplies were pretty well made and this must have delivered it's rated amperage, which in turn generated enough heat to vaporise a two inch hole in the mobo.

    That made quite a bit of smoke, and more ominously took out the little cadmium rechargable that kept the bios alive.

    We kept that area of the lab vacated for the rest of the day.

  73. well well.... by compro01 · · Score: 1

    hmm. what about the BOFH? i vote him as #1 killer of computers and their ignorant users.

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  74. Re:Not Funny: Fake Components China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's why I always use quality fake components from Korea.

  75. This is why.... by An+Ominous+Cow+Erred · · Score: 1

    With any computer I build for anyone, or even work on, I immediately suggest they replace their elcrappo no-name PSU with a quality PSU from Enermax, Antec, or Sparkle.

    The PSU is the one component in your system that can destroy everything else in your system. It is worth every penny to purchase a good one.

  76. Some negligence! by RCulpepper · · Score: 1

    The only PC I've killed was through old-fashioned physical trauma -- I was moving out of my dorm room sophomore year and, as I hate moving more than anything, wanted to speed up the process a bit. Seeing that a graduating senior had left a twin-size bed skirt, I had an insight: I would lay the bed skirt out on the (carpeted) floor, pile all my stuff on the bed skirt, and then slide everything along, pulling the edge of the skirt. It worked beautifully -- I maneuvered it into and out of the elevator, even -- until i got the the door of my building, when the corner of a box hit the door jamb, pitching my PC onto the (decidedly not carpeted) sidewalk. Cracked motherboard, dead CPU. RIP.

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  77. Re:Not Funny: Fake Components China by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

    I find American crap to be the very best in fake parts. You'll never know their American, because the tech support staff are situated in Bangalor and speak at least eight words of English.

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  78. Am I the only one? by guardianfox · · Score: 1

    Am I seriously the only one who's been around computers since his birth in '82 and has NEVER EVER, NOT ONCE SEEN A DEAD POWER SUPLY? I've fried cpu's, ram, a co-proc., a CMOS battery, and nearly every other component or accessory... but why is it I haven't seen even one power-supply go? I feel left out.

    1. Re:Am I the only one? by MrP-(at+work) · · Score: 1

      Don't worry.. Now that you've stated that you've never seen a dead power supply, I'm sure yours will die within 12 hours.

      That's how it works.

      And no, knocking on wood wont help, better order a new PSU from Antec ASAP!

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    2. Re:Am I the only one? by guardianfox · · Score: 1

      meh... Staples sold me this box... and I bought the extended warranty. If this hunk of metal gets vaporized, they'll replace it with a new unit of the same or closest higher value than my original investment... Just like the $3200 laptop my friend had whose hard-drive failed three times... they gave up trying to repair it, and just replaced the whole unit with a new $3200 laptop almost 3 years later! I aint much for pre-built pc's but you can't beat staples' waranties. Too bad they cost extra, or more people might actually have them.

    3. Re:Am I the only one? by whereizben · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen one either man, and I've been around computers for as long as my memory stretches back, and before that to my birth the same year... Never a dead power supply, but several dead HDs, one fried motherboard, and lots of cases of idiots dropping liquids into/on the computer...

    4. Re:Am I the only one? by guardianfox · · Score: 1

      Dont even get me started on hard drives. Bad hard drives are why I personally keep the local chain stores out of stock of blank media. I back-up all documents, pictures, music, etc more often than I shave... and I burn off an image of my hard disk at least once a week.

    5. Re:Am I the only one? by Johan+Veenstra · · Score: 1

      Same here, the power supply usually last forever. On of my current power supplies did have a failure though. The cooling fan stopped working, so it would get pretty hot. It kept working for 6 sixth month without a problem until I finally got around to replacing the fan.

    6. Re:Am I the only one? by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 1

      Only once i seen a popped PSU, and that was because i forgot to chaneg the voltage from 110Volts to 220Volts (i live in the UK).. nice bang you know.. and lots of pretty pretty capacitor fluff flying around...

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  79. Fans by jsares · · Score: 1

    Suck,

    1. Re:Fans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fans blow, dumbass

    2. Re:Fans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or blow... dependent on configuration.

      Obvious award!!

    3. Re:Fans by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Then you've got them wired backwards. They're supposed to blow.

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  80. Forget the shostgun! by shadowknot · · Score: 3, Funny
    A good debugging with the IT Wand would do a better job. &nbsp &nbsp

    "Remove me, unsubscribe, take me offa list"

    1. Re:Forget the shostgun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that mobo an Asus P2B? I'm testing my geekness now.

  81. Easy by POLAX · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Install any version of "Windows" on it... (what did you expect with an initial post like that)

  82. PSU, Heart of the system by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not surprised that PSU related problems is on top seeing how it's the most important component of the computer but the one that people seem to pay the least attention.

    What people must understand is that they need a PSU that have the most stable rails (such as the +5 & +12 rails) and that isn't made by Mr. Bingo Bongo. Sure you can save around $20-30 going with a cheaper PSU but that action is a gamble. Are you a gambler? My friend sure was. Bought some power supply made by some unknown manufacturer and he's still surprised that it was the cause of his exploding CD-Rom.

    People in general should take power supply reviews more seriously and consider to spend the extra bucks to hafve something that will work for years as you want it to.

    1. Re:PSU, Heart of the system by suckmysav · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Abso-fricking-lutely correct.

      The spec's written on most el-cheapo Chinese PSU's are about as accurate and truthfull as the wattage claims written on the box of those $25 "1000 WATT" PC speakers you bought at the local PC market. The difference being that if you blow up your craptastic speakers you just need to buy new speakers, but a bad PSU can cause you to re-purchase a completely new PC.

      It amazes me the number of "tech heads" out there who will pay AU$900 for a top of the line GPU (just to gain another 3fps in Doom 3) but will try to run it and their P4EE off a $15 SangChoyBow "500 WATT" powersupply.

      Incredible.

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    2. Re:PSU, Heart of the system by Ogerman · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not surprised that PSU related problems is on top seeing how it's the most important component of the computer but the one that people seem to pay the least attention.

      At one of my jobs, a client had a lab full of fairly new computers with cheapo supplies. I kid you not: within 1 year, 25 out of 40 supplies failed and in three cases the motherboard and CPU were destroyed in the process. When I came onboard, I made it a policy that any machine found to crash at random would immediately have its supply yanked and replaced with a quality one. (indication of pending failure..) User complaints dropped rapidly as reliability instantly went up.

      What people must understand is that they need a PSU that have the most stable rails (such as the +5 & +12 rails) and that isn't made by Mr. Bingo Bongo. Sure you can save around $20-30 going with a cheaper PSU but that action is a gamble.

      It's not even just stable rails. (although this is one indication of quality..) I've found by examination of fried supplies that the cheapo varieties don't have much in the way of protection circuitry. All power supplies die at some point. That's a given. The quality ones just die gracefully and don't take the rest of your hardware with them.

      As for price, the amazing thing is that there's not always that much difference between a quality budget supply and a total garbage one. I've found 300W Fortron (FSP-300) supplies in the $25-30 range. They're not top of the line, but I've yet to have a problem either.

    3. Re:PSU, Heart of the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SangChoyBow.....that just made me lmao and spit cruton crumbs....HAHAHAHAHA Great Word!!!

    4. Re:PSU, Heart of the system by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 2, Informative

      True say...

      On my System which is:
      Athlon XP2400+
      4x SCSI HD
      CDwriter
      DVD ROM,
      Soundblaster Audigy (with external Audigy Box powered from the computer)
      Radeon 9600, plus a lot of other toys such as wireless kb& mouse, card readers, etc..

      I used to get many blue screens on XP. Since i had a supposedly good 350 Watt Powersupply, which in fact it WAS a good powersupply, just not ENOUGH at full load. I thought at first it was just crappy XP, because Linux seemed to work better.... (actually it was because the power drain on Linux was somewhat less, as I wasnt using the Radeon to its max, nor the soundcard )

      I was told that maybe my powersupply was inadquate, so I purchased an Antec Trupower 430Watt power supply for £70. Ever since, XP has NEVER BSOD on me, and has been running extremely stable. To be honest, I have forgotten what a BSOD looks like now...

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    5. Re:PSU, Heart of the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be honest, I have forgotten what a BSOD looks like now...

      Blue. And SODdy..

    6. Re:PSU, Heart of the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "People in general should take power supply reviews more seriously and consider to spend the extra bucks to hafve something that will work for years as you want it to."

      I wish I could take power supply reviews more seriously.

      Welcome to my review! I convinced MegaUltra to send me their new MegaUltra 600watt PSU. I got it in the mail today. Wow, the box looks fantastic! I opened it up, and all the packing material is there. I pulled out the PSU and it sure is cool looking. The chrome picks up fingerprints tho, so look out. When I plugged it in I could easily see that the flourescent light in it is hella cool. I opened the hardware management tool in windows, and all the voltages were in the right ballpark (see fig. 1). Look at picture 1, you can see how I opened up the PSU. I'm not an engineer, but you can clearly see that there's a lot of stuff in there!
      Conclusion: good power supply, but watch out for the fingerprints.

      Seriously - I was reading reviews like this just the other day. Pathetic! I haven't seen much worthwhile info about powersupplies.

      PPL! Post links to really excellent PSU reviews where I could actually learn something!

    7. Re:PSU, Heart of the system by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      Actually the best way to be sure that you will not have problems is check the rated amps for the 12v rail. Most modern high end systems need 18+ amps for the +12v. This is assuming two optical drives, 1-2 hard drives, a couple of PCI cards, an Athlon or P4, and a GPU of at least a Geforce4 or greater. This generally equates to a 400w+ Power Supply. Generally, if there is enough amps for the 12v then there is enough for the 5v and 3.3v. (Very few Supplies seperate the 5v and 3.3v rails.) You also have to be carefull on the el cheapo Power Supplies as they often do not supply enough amps for the 12v. It is not unheard of to see a 500w Supply deliver only 12 amps on +12v.

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    8. Re:PSU, Heart of the system by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      You probably had enough total watts for the system, but If you added up the amps for the 12v rail; it was probably overloaded for the 12v draw.

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    9. Re:PSU, Heart of the system by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 1

      it was actually the combined 3.3 + 5V which caused the problem, this was solved with the Antec, which didnt use a combined 3.3 + 5v.

      But yeah the 12V draw was quite high too. Thankfull the old powersupply wasnt a "bad" one.. it still works perfectly in another computer.

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    10. Re:PSU, Heart of the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i take offense to that! i think sangchoybow makes a great psu and will continue buying them. support the communist party! support sangchoybow!

    11. Re:PSU, Heart of the system by Ogerman · · Score: 1

      You also have to be carefull on the el cheapo Power Supplies as they often do not supply enough amps for the 12v. It is not unheard of to see a 500w Supply deliver only 12 amps on +12v.

      It's also not unheard of to see 400w cheapo power supplies rated for 18+ amps on +12v but only deliver 15A sustained before letting the magic smoke out. Or, on the other side, I've never had problems with high quality 300-350w supplies (12-15A on +12v) even on heavily loaded, modern systems. Honestly, I think the power supply number game is a bit bogus today. Then you look at the major system integrators.. and they're putting quality 200-250w supplies into P4/Athlon systems with 2 optical drives and Geforce4's. No doubt they've calculated theoretical maximum current on all rails and chosen components accordingly..

  83. Of course. by jnelson4765 · · Score: 1

    Most of the "learner PC's" I've built for friends who needed something to hack on came from productive dumpster-diving excursions. And the PSU is what's dead often enough that I have a small stack of new ones (still in the box) in my closet right now...

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    1. Re:Of course. by harrkev · · Score: 1

      Where do you find these dumpsters? Right now my 2nd computer is a Celeron 466.

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    2. Re:Of course. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usually companies, I managed to intercept a nice P4 1,8Ghz that was beyond it's projected life time (3 years as shown by the tax write-off allowed here).

  84. The Google cache by red+tiger · · Score: 1

    Just FYI, the Google cache of the first page is readable! The other pages are apparently not.

  85. install linux to kill the hard drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I musta killed 2 or 3 Hard Drives by installing Linux...

    I am serious....

  86. Animals such as mice ... by gustavoguevara · · Score: 1

    I don't know if anyone has ever had problems with small rodents as I have...

    I've had it hat mice will find ways to get into your desktop since the inside is quite warm, especially on the hard drive. They perform their bodily functions, leave that stuff all over the inside :(

    it was pretty dead after that.

    1. Re:Animals such as mice ... by MrP-(at+work) · · Score: 1

      It's not that common where I live but a PC shipped to my work from florida had a dried lizard in it

      Not sure what it did but the computer is totally dead. The SCSI controller is dead, among other things.

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    2. Re:Animals such as mice ... by guardianfox · · Score: 1

      Mice? No. Bugs... yes. Actually took apart an 8088 looking for the source of a buzzing noise. Given what I just said... take a wild guess what the noise was? A FRICKIN HUGE B! I did more dammage to the machine trying to kill that B with my screwdriver than my mom did to the inside of her VCR with a healthy spray of lysol.

    3. Re:Animals such as mice ... by tarksum · · Score: 0

      A friend of mine left some food crumbs inside his computer--I assume he eating while he built it.
      About 2 weeks later (it was summer) he opened it to add some ram, and the entire motherboard was covered with ants.

    4. Re:Animals such as mice ... by Ramadog · · Score: 1
      I've had it hat mice will find ways to get into your desktop since the inside is quite warm, especially on the hard drive. They perform their bodily functions, leave that stuff all over the inside :(

      You make me feel better about one of my old computers that died. About 10 years ago there was a mouse plague in this area. One day my 486 was unstable and quickly died. Closer inspection found several of the chipset pins badly corroded and missing bits. With a suspicious stain around the area.

  87. PSU and power issues? I can't imagine that. by scgallafent · · Score: 5, Funny

    Last week's issues:

    #1 - Call from remote office. Server isn't working.

    Office manager was cold, so she bought a 1500W electric space heater. She needed a place to plug it in and there just happened to be an empty outlet on the UPS that fed the server, which was conveniently located right across the hall from her office.

    Plug in heater, heater kicks on, high current starts, battery backup melts down, and server goes into SSF mode (Sparks, Smoke, and Flames). RAID card burned out and the machine is pretty much toasted. Defintely a power issue.

    That office needed a new server anyway.

    #2 - Call from dentist's office. Computers won't connect to the network and they are getting weird errors. Drop by office to inspect. Reboot computers and everything seems to work fine.

    Network swtich and router are located in a cabinet in the darkroom. There is a single cable that comes out of that cabinet from the UPS that feeds the network equipment. They are short on outlets in the darkroom.

    When some of the employees need to use the film duplicator, their solution is to unplug this plug that doesn't seem to connect to anything important. (Never mind that beeping sound in the background!)

    Network doesn't instantly fail, since the equipment stays on UPS for ten minutes. Since they don't have instant feedback to realize that what they're doing is bad, they never associate the bad action (pulling the plug) with the bad event (all computers quit working).

    Power issues. Yep. Sheesh!

    1. Re:PSU and power issues? I can't imagine that. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 0, Troll
      Office manager was cold, so she bought a 1500W electric space heater. She needed a place to plug it in and there just happened to be an empty outlet on the UPS that fed the server, which was conveniently located right across the hall from her office.
      It's always women who plug space heaters...
    2. Re:PSU and power issues? I can't imagine that. by Dmala · · Score: 1

      Been there done that... I got a from a client that her computer had just suddenly died and wouldn't start back up. Having worked for the woman for many years, I know exactly what was wrong...

      "Did you bump the power strip with your foot?"
      "I don't think so."
      "Just flip the switch and try to start the computer."
      "No... no, it's still not working."

      So after work I make the 15 minute trek over to her office, flip the power strip on, boot the machine, and leave, hardly even breaking stride. $75, thank you very much.

    3. Re:PSU and power issues? I can't imagine that. by ac3boy · · Score: 1

      i just removed a candle warmer and a coffee pot out of a server room. Took out the UPS in the server room where in fact they put the candle warmer and coffee pot!!! I go in again today and the damn coffee pot is setup with a little coffee creamer break room station on my software file cabinet. UNBELIEVABLE!!! P.S. WTF is a candle warmer, isn;t that called a wick. Defeats the purpose to plug a candle into 120 VAC. LORD!

    4. Re:PSU and power issues? I can't imagine that. by cbdougla · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We had just put a new electro mag lock on the computer room door to go with the card swipe system we had been using elsewhere for quite some time.

      There was a button marked "door release" on the inside of the computer room that you would use to disengage the lock.

      However, it seemed that the somewhat impatient cleaning crew didn't read english so well. So, instead of pressing the button marked "release", she pushed the big red button underneath the clear lexan box. This button happened to be the UPS kill switch. It instantly shut off all power to and from the 150,000 Va three phase, wall-sized UPS. And, of course, every computer in the computer room. THAT was an interesting day.

    5. Re:PSU and power issues? I can't imagine that. by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      Just wait until you get the lawsuit because the button for the door release wasn't properly labeled.

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    6. Re:PSU and power issues? I can't imagine that. by Rande · · Score: 1
      It's always women who plug space heaters...

      Because the men won't....but whinge endlesses about how cold it is.
    7. Re:PSU and power issues? I can't imagine that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh so is that why Livejournal was down?

  88. My failures: by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Informative

    1998: CD
    2000: HDD
    2004: PSU

    That's it - since 1985! The CD was broken by impact. The HDD was garbage from Quantum, may they rot in hell. The PSU was overworked and gave up. It took the mobo with it, but not the RAM or CPU.

    The worst part is that I only upgrade when I get a failure or when the parts are horribly antiquated. (My last upgrade was in 2002.)

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    1. Re:My failures: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The HDD was garbage from Quantum, may they rot in hell.

      Meanwhile I'm still using a 13GB Quantum I've had for the last seven or eight years...

      One bad experience doesn't mean the manufacturer is shit, it means you had bad luck. I've had two drives fail on me, one a Seagate and one a Maxtor... I've also had drives from both that have lasted twice the warranty length.

    2. Re:My failures: by KiwiSurfer · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with the parent. I had a Quantum 2GB for over 5 years and it always worked perfectly. After that I went through 2 Seagate 40GB hard drives in less than 2 years. After the second I didn't bother to return it for replacement as I had figured out that two seagates HDDs failing in a row indicated that the quality of that specific model was not good enough to last for its 3-years warranty period. Not suprisely, shortly after Seagate decided to reduce the warranty on all new HDDs to 1 year. I bet my money that the crap quality of their HDD forced Seagate to reduce the warranty to stop lossing money.

      Later I bought a Samsung 60GB since, at the time, they were the only one to provide a 3-year warranty. The Samsung works perfectly to this day. My server has a second-hand Quantum 12GB hard drive which also works perfectly. Both the Samung and Quantum drives passed the SMART self-test when I checked both rectently. I also have 3 Maxtor 2GB lying around and they seem to work pretty well and at least one of them have passed the SMART self-test. I havn't checked the other two. I also had a WD tempoarly and that wasn't too bad as well.

      So far Quantum has done pretty well and they had a great reptuation before being taken over by Maxtor. However Maxtor itself is pretty good. Basically the only company I feel uncomfortable about is Seagate, however many of my friends have Seagate HDDs and have had no issues with them. So perhaps it was the PSU I had at the time that might have been damaging the HDD. A few months after the second HDD broke the PSU broke after puffing some smoke out the back. I have a theory that maybe the Seagate didn't like the voltage levels of the old PSU while the Samsung was more tolerant of crap power.

      Needless to say I made sure my next PSU was of much better quality than the generic one that came with my crappy case.

    3. Re:My failures: by suckmysav · · Score: 1

      "Meanwhile I'm still using a 13GB Quantum I've had for the last seven or eight years..."

      I've had many, many hard disks over the years.

      I have never had a Quantam drive that didn't eventually fail. I have plenty of Seagates that still work fine but are too small now to be of use. I did have a pair of 30Gb Seagates that were nothing but trouble, they were replaced under warranty and the replacements failed too. There was obviously a serious design flaw in that particular model but other than those two Seagates have been pretty good in my experience.

      Maxtors too. Apart from the fiasco in the early nineties with their 40 and 80 Mb drives that had problematic carbon contacts between the disc chamber and the PCB, Maxtors haven't given me much trouble either.

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    4. Re:My failures: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have never had a Quantam drive that didn't eventually fail.

      That's kind of misleading... I can guarantee you've never owned a single drive that won't eventually fail. I've owned my fair share of drives too (somewhere around the 20 mark), but I buy more because I need the extra space, not usually because they fail (the two I mentioned are the only ones). Funnily enough, once the drives have been out of the computer and inactive for a while, they start to go downhill a lot quicker.

    5. Re:My failures: by suckmysav · · Score: 1

      "I have never had a Quantam drive that didn't eventually fail.

      That's kind of misleading...


      I don't think so, but if you like I will restate that as "I have never had a Quantam drive that hasn't already failed".

      As I said, I have Seagate drives (some of which that are much older than the oldest Quantam I've owned) and most of them still work. I'm talking about drives that are still measured in Mbytes here"

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    6. Re:My failures: by Reziac · · Score: 1

      "The worst part is that I only upgrade when I get a failure or when the parts are horribly antiquated. (My last upgrade was in 2002.)"

      LOL! Are you sure you aren't me? :)

      Between the three computers here that run 24/7, the two major upgrades one of 'em has had over the years (it still has some original parts, from 1994), and the 286 that also formerly ran 24/7 (and was finally retired in 2001!), the dead components total up thus:

      Panasonic 2x CDROM drive, at 6 years old; actually the drive itself still worked fine, but the rubber belt that makes it "go" finally broke, and I never got around to replacing it. (I swear Panasonic stuff is all too dumb to know when it's dead; I've had all sorts of ancient, regularly-abused, still-working Panasonic electronics.)

      1.6GB W.D. HD, at 5 years old; it got head-crashed when I moved, but was still in use for another 3 years afterward (it finally succumbed to the Creeping Crud).

      USR 56k PCI modem, at 4 yrs

      One 486 motherboard, killed by a keyboard short (see "Keyboard BIOS" post, above)

      Several PSU fans and CPU fans, mainly of old age

      Several keyboards and mice, mainly of old age

      On top of that, my machines are largely built from salvage... let me guess, you do that too, right? :)

      Of course, I've found lots of dead stuff in salvaged PCs, but I don't count that since it didn't die in my service. (No pension for them! :)

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    7. Re:My failures: by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Whoops, I forgot the Yamaha CDRW, dead at 9 months, and its warranty replacement, dead at 6 months. I've never seen a Yamaha CDRW that lasted past 2 yrs for 4x, or 9 months for 6x or above. (20 tracked, 20 prematurely dead.)

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    8. Re:My failures: by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The only bad Quantum drives I have seen are the Bigfoots. Those drives definently had some issues with them. Though with the Bigfoot drive I had, when it failed, I was still able to copy everything off of it (the way it failed was it started having problems seeking - but it would keep trying and eventually read what I told it to.)

      On a side note, I'm waiting for someone to bring back the Bigfoot. I'm sure a terrabyte could fit on a the surface area of a 5.25" HDD with today's technology, and for media files I really don't care how slow the drive is at reading.

  89. The most common PC killer award goes to... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 0, Troll

    Women with shaved lips and hairy armpits wearing Greenpeace tshirts and men's pants!

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  90. How can you tell? (was: fake components) by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    Evne the "Made In ..." label is faked. As much as I like to joke about it, it is not uncommon for counterfeit product to carry bogus place of origin sticker.

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    1. Re:How can you tell? (was: fake components) by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      I can see faking parts, but labels? Bastards!

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    2. Re:How can you tell? (was: fake components) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember getting an Aptiva (what a POS...what is it with IBM and consumer HW?).

      One entire side of the (monitor-sized) box was taken up with an American flag and the words "Made in USA" in huge type. Stuck to the actual PC was a tiny sticker that said "Assembled in Mexico".

  91. better option by guardianfox · · Score: 1

    just go with the el-cheapo PSU, and insure the PC against fire... let that sucker burn. By the time it gives out, you're likely in the market for an upgrade anyway.

  92. where will you get your next PSU? by binarybum · · Score: 1

    This being said, who makes the best power supplies?

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  93. The plural of anecdote is not data by gelfling · · Score: 1

    I've never actually killed a PC. Replaced fans and powersupplies, a CDRW here and there, keyboards and mice that went airborne. But kill? Never. But check one of my other posts from today. According to Powerleap, elevated tempurature will dramatically shorten the life of the capacitors on your motherboard. As much as 50%. So we can expect PCs to last on average about 3 years before the MoBo conks out.

  94. Modem by ImaLamer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The number one killer of PC's, IMHO, has been the modem.

    Lightning usually doesn't even have to enter into it. Everytime the phone rings you get voltage running into your PC.

    Once I heard a long ring and the PC never turned back on (well, for a year at least. Later the machine was revived but using any PCI slot mysteriously disabled DMA. On a 333Mhz machine you can imagine boot times).

    Another killer was USB related too. Microsoft's Trackball Optical cable shorts out occasionaly which for some reason killed my $3000 custom-built PC about 3 years ago. Someone here on Slashdot told me I can get a refund or some sort of offer but it wasn't worth the hassle.

    1. Re:Modem by Bri3D · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It wasn't worth the hassle to replace the motherboard/USB controller card/whatever on your $3000 custom-built system? I personally sign up for all warranty settlements I can just to show the manufacturer how important it is to make non-faulty hardware.

    2. Re:Modem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. I plugged in my modem one day and the +24 must have touched the case: the video went black and stayed that way. On the upside, only the video card died and it was already a Trident.

    3. Re:Modem by doombob · · Score: 1

      No joke. Everytime there's a lightning storm around here, we get about 2 dozen of our dialup customers coming in saying that "yalls intraweb don't work." Of course when we tell them that we weren't kidding when we said to make sure their phone line went through the surge protector (which to tell you the truth only works about half the time). We make $15 bucks on each modem. So I like my job.

  95. Obvious most common way by LoonieMiami · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    M$ products

    :)
  96. PSUs by tarksum · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I had two cheapo power supplies fail on me in a row, when building a few computers. After about 5 minutes of running, smoke started pouring out of the computers--the cables from the power supply had melted and the plastic had fused them together.
    My first (and only) attempt at modding a heatsink to fit on a cpu resulted in a spine-tingling grinding sound as I tried to force it down on the motherboard--the edge of one corner of the core had been ground into dust :/.

  97. Nothing beats this..... by neo_mushroom · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This poor old laptop i'm typing on right now has had a hard life:

    We had a pretty big flood a few years back, and this was sitting in it's backpack, leaning against a wall in the basement. Walking through the foot deep water, I realized that the laptop was underwater! I reached inside, and pulled it out, watching as water poured out of the cd-rom drive bay. Behind me were two insurance adjusters, and the both simultaneosly choked back a tear; the laptop was brand new!

    Pulled out the battery, and proped it up in the kitchen, afraid to turn it on. We left a hair dryer on it for days, befor we finaly turned it on, and it worked!! It took a couple months, but the water marks left the LCD left to.

    The laptop screen is now DE-TACHED, as in not connected to the body by anything but the data cable, but it still works for all my Slashdotting needs.

    XD

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  98. Hydualic Press by Graemee · · Score: 5, Funny

    A guy I once worked with had a customer of his computer store get so frustrated with the "flaky" PC he bought, that he sent it back to him as a 6x6" cube. He used a hydualic press of some kind.

    To quote my friend "I didn't know if I should call the cops or laugh, but it made a great paper weight"

  99. Kill the BIOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These instructions aren't necessarily a way to physically kill a PC, but it is something new to me. Recently I built a computer for my nephew out of spare PC parts that I had laying around. It was a P3-500 with 384MB ram, standard everything. Nothing special at all. Well my nephew - who is very good on the computer for his age (about 4) - really liked playing kids games on it. He hopped on there one day and decided to play while my brother was in the other room. He actually got the computer booted up and put the CD in, except he put it in upside down into the drive. I'm not sure what happened next, but I guess it must have shutdown. Next thing I know my brother called me up and said the computer wouldn't boot. It wasn't POSTing, and was making some weird alternating beep noises. When I got the computer, I eventually had to put a PCI video card in (wouldn't boot with AGP) and realized that the BIOS was gone. All because of putting a CD in the drive upside down. I booted up onto a floppy drive, and was able to reflash the BIOS. System is working again, and my brother (and hopefully his son) learned a lesson. No more computer unless daddy is around!

  100. Cat hair + computer = fire by AnxiousMoFo · · Score: 1

    I used to have my computer sitting at a desk in the dining room, and any time you walked from anywhere else in the apartment to the living room you walked by it. It was also sitting on linoleum. Over time (about 6 months or so), the fan sucked cat hair and dust into the power supply. Lots of cat hair. Lots of dust.

    Then I moved to a new apartment. I unpacked everything, got everything hooked up to the computer, turned it on, and I heard this rather disturbing popping or snapping noise, looked at the back of the computer, and saw flames.

    I unplugged the power strip right away, and luckily all I had to replace was the power supply.

    The moral of the story: don't put the computer in a high traffic part of the house where there's lots of cat hair to get sucked into the machine, and if you do, don't be a chump and vacuum out your machine every once in a while.

  101. You power supply might fail if....... by Proudrooster · · Score: 1

    Your power supply might fail if....

    1. It came FREE with the $30 case with the blinky lights.
    2. The power supply came in a low end Gateway.
    3. The power supply came in a low end Dell.
    4. The power supply might cost less than $30.

    I'm done with the el'cheapo powersupplies and only buy Antec these days.

    1. Re:You power supply might fail if....... by loraksus · · Score: 1

      I've had good experiences with Antec and RMA's too.

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  102. Play nice slashdot.... by gonffen · · Score: 1

    Make a mirror first: http://www.pcstats.com.nyud.net:8090/articleview.c fm?articleID=1720

    Apparently nyud.net got through long enough to get the first page I requested about an hour ago. As for the second? Nyud is giving me 503s.

  103. killer cats by petsounds · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've never had cat hair kill a computer, but a few years ago my cat killed one. She has a penchant for tipping over glasses. Especially ones filled with liquid. Actually you might call it a bit of a neurosis. Anyway, one day I was away from my desk for a few minutes, and sensing a golden opportunity, she dumped a glass of water onto the strip-style surge protector below. The surge protector, not exactly of the highest quality, must've overloaded and sent a spike into the computer, taking out the motherboard, several PCI cards, and RAM chips with it. Needless to say, I use an APC UPS located in an area not easily reachable by falling water now.

    But I would guess the biggest PC killer is brownouts. I worked at a startup for a while where the admin chose not to use any surge protectors on our computers. I suppose he assumed because we were in a fairly modern office complex that they had clean lines. It took him a bit to figure out why he had to keep supplying me with new power supplies every few weeks after the previous one would die.

    1. Re:killer cats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cats have the same fascination with water. It's a pain to keep water actually in their water bowl because one of them spills it all the time (even figured out how to tip over those non-tippable dog bowls). A couple years back, one knocked over a glass of water over the computer and printer. The printer was dead, but thankfully there was a stack of printouts from my latest coding project on top of the computer case that deflected all the water away from the computer. These days, I play it safe and use resealable bottles around the computer.

  104. heh by XxXoldsaltXxX · · Score: 1, Funny

    well, we know the most common server killer... slashdot. someone get a mirror up asap

  105. How about Unregulated Current by 3arwax · · Score: 1

    When I was in the Philippines I was told that if you lived on the beginning of the street your tv would burn out a lot quicker but if you were at the end of the street your lights would go out when everybody's favorite tv show came on.

  106. 120v into the ethernet port by rich42 · · Score: 1
    1. Re:120v into the ethernet port by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where can I get one of those "Powered Hubs". I want to have the power of 110base-T at my work!

  107. Lightning. by chris_sawtell · · Score: 1

    It's destroyed 2 comps, and a CD player of mine. Horrible, horrible stuff.

  108. Ash Wednesday. by chris_sawtell · · Score: 1

    Strange. /. doesn't normally remind us that it's that time of year again!

  109. The easiest way to kill a PC by Zemplar · · Score: 1

    1) Install Windows
    2) After 1), you won't have a chance for more....

  110. Not overclocked but modded a AT 'a little bit' by hurfy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I burned up one of my first computers with upgrades :(

    by the time i finished i had IBM AT with:

    Dual monitor
    dual floppy
    dual HD
    task swapping and scrollback
    and
    16-17 M of Ram !!! 1M main + BOTH extended and expanded (100+ little chips on 2 fullsize cards+MB)

    Most awesome AT ever....while it lasted....which was less than a MONTH before cpu melted :(

  111. Capacitors... by Vellmont · · Score: 1

    My venerable Abit BX6 2.0 motherboard bit the dust about 6 months ago due to faulty capacitors. I'm still a bit peaved since it wasn't a dirt-cheap motherboard.

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  112. CD-ROM Digital port by moose5435 · · Score: 3, Funny

    My friend was working on one of his computers one day and saw one of those small connectors coming out of the power supply not connected to anything.
    Anyways, he thought it needed to be plugged in somewhere and what better place than the little 2-pin port on the back of a CD-ROM drive.
    It looked like it was meant to be plugged in there because it fit, and he decided to turn the computer on.

    White smoke was everywhere. Something inside the power supply exploded, killing the cdrom drive, and everything in the computer.

    That just goes to show that even if the plug fits, it might not always be the right place to put it.

    1. Re:CD-ROM Digital port by Barrel+O'Lard · · Score: 1

      That's good advice for many situations.

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  113. Most common ways to kill a web site... by s_p_oneil · · Score: 1

    1) Slashdot it. 2) Some other form of DDoS attack. 3) ...

  114. How To Destroy Your Computer by pipingguy · · Score: 1


    Crap! Two links to Dan from me in one day (it's a great site).

    Excerpt from the page:

    "Many computer users perform their own hardware upgrades, and a distressing number of these result in insufficient damage to the system. Destroying your own computer is every user's right and is the pattern of behaviour expected by the manufacturers and, especially, repair personnel, whose very livelihood is put in peril by those users who perversely persist in correctly upgrading their equipment."

    1. Re:How to destroy your computer by fciron · · Score: 1

      This article just pointed out how I reassembled a curbside computer incorrectly. Now I have a firewall.

      Thanks!

  115. Re:Not Funny: Fake Components China by harrkev · · Score: 4, Funny

    I only buy genuine Sorny, Panaphonic, and MagnetBox.

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  116. [OT] Re:Corrupted Power Absolution by pipingguy · · Score: 1


    Does that trash comment refer to this page?

    Just curious.

  117. Near Death Experience by DumbSwede · · Score: 1
    On not once, but two separate and recent occasions I put new video cards during upgrades to my spare machines only to not seat the board completely and have the yellow blinking power light of "hey I have some kind of serious problem." Unplug, reseat board, repeat. Still blinking. Repeat. Still blinking. Take to used computer store. Only to find out the next day it works fine for them with no problem, so they charge the minimum one-hour service charge.

    Moral of the story: if it might be an overloaded power supply from a one time short, give it a few hours and try again. Unless of course there is copious smoke emanating from said machine.

  118. Just using Windows without maintenance. by JackAxe · · Score: 0

    Do it, mark me negative...

  119. Keyboard BIOS by Reziac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I once had a motherboard killed by a keyboard short -- or to be accurate, what died was apparently the keyboard BIOS. (This was back in the 486 era, when such things still had their own chips.) I accidentally hit the F6 and F7 keys at the same time, the nasty Focus keyboard objected by going PHZZT, and sent its protests off down the cable. ALL the lights on the main box came on, and stayed on until I jerked the cord out of the UPS.

    Much testing later (involving a POST card and some mix-and-match with an identical system), I determined that the PSU was still good, the motherboard was still getting power and passing it along to the components in the usual way, all the components were still fine, and the CPU and system BIOS were still alive and well. That left only the keyboard BIOS as suspect. Guess which chip was SOLDERED onto the motherboard??!

    After that I started looking more closely at "dead" motherboards, and discovered that nearly ALL of them had evidently died of a fried keyboard BIOS.

    About this time, APC started marketing surge-and-noise protectors for NICs, because they'd found that there was significant incidence of system-frying shocks (and plain old electrical noise causing packet corruption) coming over network cables. Thus inspired, for several years I whined at APC about making keyboard protectors, but nothing ever came of it.

    So... I find it perfectly believeable that a mouse could commit similar mayhem.

    Oh, the 486 in question started life as a $2000 box, but by then was (fortunately!) overdue to be upgraded anyway.

    As to modems, I've wondered about that... My modem cables all run thru a heavy-duty surge unit; one hopes that helps. -- I personally know two people who had PCs fried by lightning strikes coming down the phone cable; in one incident, it set the internal modem on fire and melted a hole in the motherboard. Miraculously, the HD survived this abuse, all data intact.

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    ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    1. Re:Keyboard BIOS by StarsAreAlsoFire · · Score: 2, Informative

      As to modems, I've wondered about that... My modem cables all run thru a heavy-duty surge unit; one hopes that helps

      It doesn't. I did the math once on the Surge protectors I was selling at Sears -- the best one we had, with the $20K protection policy -- it could handle 2500 joule if I recall.

      Assuming room temperature and nice even numbers (so 25 deg C), that could boil:

      2500_J ~= 600 cal.
      600cal/(75deg C) = 8

      That is a whopping 8 ml of water.

      How much energy you think is in that lightning bolt traveling down the phone line?

      Modern surge protectors are to protect against in-home spikes -- buy them based on how much insurance you want, and ignore the power rating. But make sure they say that they cover lighting!

      Or buy transformer / inductor based protection, which costs an assload more -- something like these

    2. Re:Keyboard BIOS by revmoo · · Score: 1

      Funny, I've had two motherboards fried thx to the keyboard.

      First one was years ago, I spilled Mt Dew into the keyboard, and it caused the keyboard circuitry on the motherboard to fail permenantly.. This was slightly before USB, you still needed a keyboard plugged in to get past the BIOS. I had to scrap it.

      Second one happened last week. I was at a customer(restaraunt) site to check out a pc that was making "burning smells". Turns out that the card magstrip reader(that plugs into the keyboard port) had gotten it's extra outlet snipped off. Then, the rocket scientest that did it went ahead and electrical taped it making it look legit. The wires inside touched and fried the keyboard bus on the pc. I ended up frying a replacement pc as well before I realized the cause.

      Lesson? Restaraunt employees cannot be trusted(this mostly applies to managers).

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    3. Re:Keyboard BIOS by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Oh, I meant helps against the standard ring voltage. I've always run my modem line thru a surge unit -- actually, it winds up going thru several, since I use surge units as splitters too (they have one in-port and two out-ports), which may help explain why I'm speaking to you on a modem of 1996ish vintage. (Of course, it IS a USR, but even so...)

      As to lightning strikes, yeah, I'm sure a piddly-assed surge unit isn't going to do much against several gazillion volts!!

      However, some years ago, my surge units (I buy pretty decent ones) actively prevented damage when some moron screwed up the wiring upstream from me, so I was getting 220v in my trailer (apparently with no ground -- the trailer's aluminum skin was "hot" too). Light bulbs exploded outright, but the computers and transformers, all on surge units, survived intact.

      I also have UPSs between surge unit and computers. BTW, never ever not EVER do it the other way around -- plugging *surge unit into UPS* can lead to a feedback situation and consequent fire. Ooops!

      If I were building a new house, methings an integrated surge panel like APC markets might be a Good Investment. Well, if they don't cost more than the whole rest of the house!

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    4. Re:Keyboard BIOS by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Eeeep... so, wanna help me whine at APC again about keyboard port protectors? :)

      And considering that USB issues accounted for 6% of the list (or so someone pasted here; I couldn't get at the article or the mirror) one wonders if a USB protector might be in order too!!

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    5. Re:Keyboard BIOS by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1
      Of course there was the national retailer a few years back who installed their own air conditioning -- their house brand -- because it met the BTU rating we required. They killed a lot of hardware with it, across the country.

      Nothing wrong with the air conditioners, but it helps if you don't plumb both the fresh air intake and outflow into the well-insulated server room...

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    6. Re:Keyboard BIOS by revmoo · · Score: 1

      Funny you say that, about two weeks ago I plugged a Logitech optical into a 24V usb port(don't ask). It blinked really bright 3 times and then died.

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    7. Re:Keyboard BIOS by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Uh-oh... (USB ports are 24v??) Bright lights. Smoke. Funny smells. Dead rodents. Not good!

      Methinks I'm glad I decided that never would a USB keyboard or mouse touch any system of mine, tho at the time it was because the stupid things tend to argue about the order they're plugged in, and sundry other follies.

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    8. Re:Keyboard BIOS by runderwo · · Score: 1

      You're probably thinking of the keyboard controller, the long DIP chip that resembled a 40-pin BIOS chip. Keyboard BIOS functions are built into the system BIOS and as far as I know were never implemented as an option rom.

    9. Re:Keyboard BIOS by Reziac · · Score: 1

      The chips say "Keyboard BIOS" right on 'em. IIRC, this chip controls GateA20 and some other low-level functions too. -- Come to think of it, I remember seeing "GateA20" errors from dying 386 boards.

      Back when a 386 or 486 was still worth something, I swapped a couple and brought a "dead" board back to life, but in general the damned things are soldered on.

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    10. Re:Keyboard BIOS by runderwo · · Score: 1

      If there's anything to do with A20, then it's the KBC and not a BIOS. Maybe some cloner redefined "BIOS" to mean something besides "ROM firmware"? In any case, it's not a BIOS under the standard definition of a BIOS in the PC world, unless it contains some embedded executable code.

    11. Re:Keyboard BIOS by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what it is from a *technical* standpoint, but in the back-when world, they were usually called (and *factory labeled*) a "keyboard BIOS". However, "keyboard controller chip" may well be more accurate.

      Wonder if there's any code for same floating around out there. Not that I have the slightest use for it if there is :)

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  120. Stupid ways to (almost) kill a PC: The paperclip by piano-in-a-box · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I had a case open once because I was copying data from a second hard drive which I was going to remove as soon as I was done, and I was fidgetting with a paperclip...and dropped it...right into the open case. The machine powered down instantly. The useless piece of metal shorted the machine immediately.

    I was sure it was broken...it didn't start for several hours, but in the end it surprisingly booted. The only components that died were the soundcard and the NIC.

  121. User Negligence by AzureLunatic · · Score: 4, Funny

    A former roommate told me a story about how he'd killed one of his computers. Seems he left the thing on the floor in his room.

    Now, his living spaces tend to be trash heaps; it was only constant nagging from his ex-fiancee and me that kept mold from growing in their room when he was living with us. So this did not surprise me at all when he told me what happened...

    For whatever reason, ants decided to visit his computer. Ants. I guess he might have spilled something in there, probably Mountain Dew. He saw the ants crawling in and out of his computer, didn't pay much attention to it, and turned the thing on.

    Poof. Fried.

    I laughed at him.

    An ex of mine wound up with a few extra chips in his computer (chocolate and dorito) owing to leaving it open, but never before or again have I heard of ants infesting someone's computer.

    1. Re:User Negligence by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      Out behind my parents' house when I was growing up, there was one of those big green transformers, the ones that are basically just a huge green box on the ground. Well, us kids stayed away from it, not because it had extremely high voltage running through it all the time and our parents were all scared shitless that we'd get zapped, but because it was constantly infested with fireants. Well, one day at breakfast, we hear this BOOM! and the lights go out. Power company truck comes out an hour or two later, opens it up, closes it, drives off. Hour later, comes back with shovels. Open it up, the workers start shoveling dirt and fried fire ants out of it... every available cubic inch in this thing (about 4'x4'x3') is full of ant mound, and they eventually just chewed right through the insulation and shorted the transformer, causing it to explode inside.

      Ever hear about the SCSC? The SuperConducting Super Collider, that was going to be built in Waxahacie, TX (about half an hour south of where I grew up in Dallas). Well, among other things, one of the reasons cited for not completing it was fireants. The report said that fireants were attracted to electricity and had already started to move into the tunnels they had built for the collider. So maybe nothing was spilled, and the ants just found the electricity to be to their liking...

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      wait... not that kind of sig.
  122. Most Common Ways to Kill a PC by MrCobaltBlue · · Score: 1

    Install Windows XP SP2, Real Player and Kazaa, and look up lots of pr0n in IE.

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  123. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  124. The common cause of this was the joystick port by Prototerm · · Score: 1

    Not that anyone cares anymore, but IIRC, the C64's joystick port was right next to the power switch, and that port, naturally, went right into the motherboard (as did the cartridge thing in the back). All it took was one touch of a static-laden finger while hitting the power switch, and bye-bye. I used to stick the plug from an old Atari 2600 joystick in the port to prevent that sort of thing from happening.

    A comment I saw once in the source code for the C64's operating system: "Commodore engineers: designers of the finest semi-functional devices in the world". Ya gotta love it!

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  125. So my server got owned by /. by TetryonX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder how many slashdot-related server deaths have occurred. Surely a human DDoS must have some lasting effect on servers.

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  126. Bad PSUs? by guardianfox · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The PSU in my machine here says it's CSA tested and certified. I have no idea what the safety standards they test are for that type of device... but perhaps that's why I've never seen one screw up. Not that stuff doesn't get by them sometimes, I had a yorx stereo explode on me. Of course, I wouldn't blame no-name parts first. Wouldn't it be negligence such as leaving it on in a stuffy enclosure for eight years without even dusting the outside of the case (and forget about the inside)? I always kept my computers clean, and allowed clearance all around them for air flow. The desk I'm using now has a spot for the CPU but it's closed in on all sides but the front and a small slot in the back for the wires. I use that space to hold books so my computer can breath on top of the desk.

    1. Re:Bad PSUs? by AnimeFreak · · Score: 1

      CSA = Canadian Standards Association

      They have more restrictions than UL does. If it CSA approved, then you got a really safe product.

  127. Sticking with Classics by Striker770S · · Score: 0

    im going to keep with my favorite way to kill a PC http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=137921&cid=115 35582 Cooling systems are very tricky, ALWAYS CHECK FOR HOLES! Otherwise you get the famous carwash

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  128. Obvious and obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Install windows on it?

  129. Surge Protectors by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm a firm believer in surge protectors. Years ago (back when the Pentium 100MHz roamed the plains), a lightning storm decided to play havoc on the neighborhood.

    When I came home from work, I smelled ozone and burnt plastic. Looking around I noticed that the surge protector power supply plug was melted and fused to the wall socket. Though ruined, the surge protector did its job. Nothing attached to it was affected by the lightning strike that hit the powerline outside.

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  130. That reminds me... by beetle496 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Several years I helped a friend set up a new computer. I was not watching closely (hey, I was there to help install software). The high end CRT monitor came with two ports: one plug for Mac (old style) and one VGA, and two cables. Until a moment after he turned on the monitor, I had never appreciated that the Mac video connector is the same format used by the PC joystick port... We got flames (briefly) and lots of acrid smoke. Happily, all he lost was a ribbon cable inside the case.

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    1. Re:That reminds me... by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      We got flames (briefly) and lots of acrid smoke. Happily, all he lost was a ribbon cable inside the case.

      Oooh... When I built my first computer I eventually got a SoundBlaster Live! Platinum to replace the onboard audio. The platinum has that "Live Drive" that connects that gives you front side audio ports and an IR for a remote control. The deck connects to the sound card using a single drive 40pin IDE cable. Since I got it used and it didn't come with a cable, I tried using one of the spare single drive cables I had lying around, which happened to be an 80pin cable. Couldn't see any flames cause the case was closed, but there was smoke streaming out of that system! Everything worked when I got a 40pin cable, fortunately.

    2. Re:That reminds me... by displaced80 · · Score: 1

      (almost) the same story here :)

      Had the Live! (non-platinum). I bought the Optical I/O bracket separately. Worked fine for ages.

      Then I moved my PC to another case. Like you, I was using an IDE cable (for extra length) instead of the supplied one. Accidentally got it round the wrong way. Plastic melted from a few of the wires in the ribbon, nasty acrid smoke and a popping noise.

      The Live! survived, but both the cable and the optical I/O card were kaput.

      Destroyed a few floppy drives by getting the power cable upside down. Often, the drives will just have 4 bare pins for the power, without the plastic guide. My BIOS supports USB booting, so these days I just keep a USB floppy drive in a drawer.

      In 22 years, that's the only breakages I've personally caused. Although my bacon's been saved several times by PSU's with thermal fuses.

      Aside from dead PC components all my computers are still alive... Acorn Electron, Atari 520ST-FM, Atari Falcon030, Atari Jaguar, Atari Lynx[*]... ... actually, the Lynx is sorta crippled. The AC input came loose. I was too lazy (and probably, at that time, a bit too young) to resolder it. But I found that feeding 9V into the Comlynx (networking) port also powered the system. After about 6 months of this, it started doing odd things. The LCD display became permanently too bright when on AC, and always too dim when on batteries. Fun little machine though...

      [*] yes, by 1994 I was basically single-handedly responsible for providing Atari's only income :-)

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  131. How to destroy your computer by suckmysav · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is a much better article on the subject.

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  132. how about... by jmrobinson · · Score: 1

    fridge magnets (the good earth ones)?! That will mess with your head for a while!

  133. I remember a PC dying by assassinator42 · · Score: 1

    People say it was me. I remember it being someone else. Well, anyway, it was an old windows 3.1 gateway computer back in middle school. It was really fun, we played gorilla (the qbasic game) and epic pinball. While we were playing epic pinball, someone pressed shift, and the monitor just started smoking. I can't remember if the image went off right way or not. Kind of weird though, and sucky, since we didn't have a computer in there anymore. Not that catastrophic I suppose.

  134. The most common way to kill a PC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is to install a Microsoft Windows OS.

    You guys make this sooooo easy.

  135. Linux is mainstream! by elli2358 · · Score: 1

    "looks like there's a strong ba in there, but it's getting eaten by some linux or something..." Its brief mentioning on an internet cartoon is a sure sign that Linux is mainstream now, right?

  136. Killed by excessive disk usage by Rick+Genter · · Score: 1

    Well, alright, it wasn't a PC, it was a Sun server.

    This was in the 1989-1990 time frame. The company I worked for at the time (Language Technology - they don't exist any more), had a rack mounted Sun-3 server that was our primary file server. We had too little RAM in the server (I think we had 16MB) so the poor thing was constantly paging.

    Anyway, one day I was in a meeting in our boardroom, which had a big window all along one wall that looked into, among other things, the big window that lined one wall of our computer room. Suddenly, there was this loud electronic noise. I turned to my colleague and said "Do you hear that?" when all of a sudden there was a loud BANG! and the computer room went opaque. The Halon system had discharged.

    It turns out that the "noise" I had heard was the fire alarm. The Fire Department came and evacuated everyone, then, when they determined that there was no active fire, set up big fans to air out the Halon. Two hours later, when we were allowed to go back into the computer room, we pulled the server out of the rack. The top of the card cage was carbonized black.

    After a few days of investigation we figured out that our Xylogics disk controller card had caught fire. It turned out that there was a design flaw on that particular model of disk controller such that if there was constant disk activity a diode at the top of the card would overheat. We were so RAM-poor that we kept that sucker seeking hour after hour, until finally the diode overheated to the point that it and the PC board actually caught fire.

    Insurance covered everything; we got a new server (same model, though we got a better disk controller ;-), but we were down for about a week while the parts came in and we put everything back together.

    So, you see, we killed our server through excessive disk usage.

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  137. PS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ive always wondered what happens when I switch that 120 switch to 220 hehe.

  138. Piker! :) by Reziac · · Score: 1

    The 300W PSU in this machine will be eleven years old, come May....

    At the time, 300W was unheard-of outside of servers, and such a unit was very hard to find. But I'd added one too many gadgets in this case, and the original 200W PSU refused to power on (tho it still works, when not overloaded).

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  139. 486 mobo, my fault by British · · Score: 1

    I installed the power connectors from the PSU to the mobo backwards(back when you could do that). Fried a capacitor. Capacitor was replaced, worked just fine.

  140. Children do the darndest things by savage1r · · Score: 3, Funny

    I remember when I was 10 or 11 and we got our first 386 DOS/Windos 3.11 system. I loved to play around on it and taught myself all the DOS commands. My favorite was format c: because it counted up from 0 to 100% and at the end my parents would be furious because they lost all of their data. Their punishment (which I feel was/is cruel and unusual) was to make me learn to fix all the problems I created and from then till my dying day I will be required for any and all tech support they may need 24/7.

  141. PSU voodoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why? Is a power supply some kind of new concept? Don't they have an IC for one of these things yet?

  142. Death to PC by Pooldraft · · Score: 0

    Install windows and boot to the "blue screen of death".

  143. Cat vomit by ceallaigh · · Score: 3, Funny

    through the vents of a 17" CRT seem to be rather effective in my unfortunate experience....

  144. Yikes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My brother awoke one morning to the sound of electrical arcing coming from his PC. He could see an arc between the PSU fan and the power strip eighteen inches away. In a blind panic he yanked the power strip plug from the wall. I pulled the PSU apart and found several electrolytic capacitors whose insulation had blown off, leaving large charred areas across the circuit board. One of them had shorted out to a heatsink. The cooling fan was all but completely siezed up, which probably had a thing or two to do with the fireworks. I dropped a spare supply in on a whim and surprisingly enough everything worked.

  145. A funny story by Tobias.Davis · · Score: 1
    My old boss, a computer "Guru" by his own statements ran a small computer shop where he did custom assemblies with pirated software and "new" refurbished oem hardware

    One day he decided that he was going to build a Athlon 1.4ghz computer with a 135? (probably wasn't much bigger) power supply.

    At the time I was working for him as a Cable modem installer because I wanted nothing to do with his customer service reputation, but I strictly told him that a 135 watt PS would NOT supply enough power for that pc.

    In the end, every component on the PC had to be replaced due to his actions, he learned his lessons of the importance of power supplies and I won a $20 bet with his assistant

    The moral? Never trust a bad power supply (or a idiot boss)

  146. Re:For those not familiar with Homestar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to the Internet.

    As you were not familiar with Strongbad's e-mail, this is clearly your first day using it.

    I think you will really enjoy it. It's a wonderful thing full of educational information, personal "web logs", news, and goofy stuff like a dancing hampster.

    Good luck!

  147. The Canonical HOW-TO Guide... by bytesmythe · · Score: 1
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    -- Scott Meyer
  148. Wtf? by bonch · · Score: 1

    Okay, I have to ask, what in the fuck is the gooey orange stuff?

    My god...

  149. OT: your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google doesnt browse logged in, and thus doesnt see sigs. Try again, moran.

  150. Re:Animals such as mice ... and bunnies!.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  151. Easiest way by Christoff+Ka+Sin+Chu · · Score: 1

    What about clicking on those pop-ups that tell you your system needs "tuning for viruses [sic]"?

    Tons of people I know get screwed by spyware, adware, and other junk that slows down their computer.

    Their solution? Buy a new computer.

    CC

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  152. Installing Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd think this was the number one cause of PC death and yet it wasn't on the list. Did Microsoft commision the study?

    1. Re:Installing Windows by Wolfger · · Score: 1

      You beat me to it... But I think they mean *permanently* killing a computer. Windows is curable.

  153. Obligatory Bubs quote by ShadeEagle · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Your computer is in a better place, Strong Bad. Actually, it's in the same place but now it's got a big hole in it!"

  154. Re:Not Funny: Fake Components China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another good brand, The Carnivale, with genuine two prong molded plug and an exterior case to prevent fall apart

  155. Re:Not Funny: Fake Components China by rokka · · Score: 1

    In Korea only old people use fake components.

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  156. Semi-Hot-Plugable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That sounds as a Microsoft product... just like the MS Semi-Cluster... which btw. can be emulated by some cmd-scripts and the NetSvc.exe from reskit (I've done it).

  157. Windows is the most common way by Werrismys · · Score: 1

    Abandon all hope ye who install Winblows.

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  158. fuck that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The automobile should be indestructable by now, instead they are more delicate than ever.
    I'm not down with pampering everything or it's my fault that it broke... If you blow a clutch up screwing around at least you weren't depending on it in a real crisis.
    Go ahead and wax your fucking car every day and laugh at the fools who 'wonder why their paint is peeling off' etc, shit ought to be /military/ spec.

  159. modern times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turn on, connect to internet.

  160. Family... by Netsensei · · Score: 0

    My brother is your stereotypical pc abuser. The thing is piled up with spyware, malware, virusses,... If it's downloadable, he'll try it. Basically. Needless to say: performance on his machine get's shot to hell in the 30 minutes after I ghost his machine with a clean image (I should call the I A-Team to do a normal system cleanup) So to make things worse, he has the habit of banging on the sides of case whenever 'the thing goes slow'. Once, his puter died on me. The moment I took it up, I noticed a 'rattling sound': the whole shebang got loose. The soundcard did a 69 with the videocard and I won't get into the awkward position of both hard drives. I fitted everything back in place but I neglected to put the (heavily bend) sideplates back in. An hour or so later: we could hear a loud 'banging' noise coming from my brothers chamber: he couldn't kick the side so he went over to 'bang on the top' of the machine.

    I'm still surprised he didn't use any auxilaries like axeshaped firestones, heavy bones and the like. My guess would be: the neolithicum is just something that happened to other people as far as he is concerned... *sigh*

  161. It's all about warranty by KZigurs · · Score: 1

    The new store policy now includes a line: "Compressing your computer with the aid of hydraulic press or functionally similar means obviously voids your warrianty."

  162. Drop the keyboard by caluml · · Score: 1

    I was logged in as root once, and the keyboard fell on the floor, and it managed to press rm / -rf somehow.
    Oh, alright, it didn't. But it would be amazing though.

  163. Old Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of my computers are at least five years old. Two of them are on permanently. They are still fine aside from the fans in one of them getting a bit groany and being in need of replacement. Quality power supply, or just good luck? Reckon it's going to just go BANG one of these days? :)

  164. Re:For those not familiar with Homestar... by grolschie · · Score: 1

    I've been visiting that site for a long time and read most of SB's emails, but that one is just plain random! :-)

    "Band names", "Guitar" and "Duck pond" are classics!

  165. Sledgehammer, ball peen if unavailable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Foot tends to be moderately effective but painful.
    I recommend against fist.

    Chainsaw is divine. Explosives are nice, but very dangerous and require significant clearance due to shrapnel. Pickaxe is very unique and piercing, and fireaxe has real severing power as well as a little known blunt end which is every useful. Sledge is the best. Blunt. Force. Trauma.

    http://boole.org/breakshit/cicadabbq_breakshit_5 _2 2_04/tjmonitor.wmv

    But the #1 way to destroy a PC is by assigning it to any person who has ever uttered the phrase "I am not a computer person"

  166. more by jago25_98 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    - follow slashdot Voodo ribbon cable foding article; sharp solder on motherboard underside shorts IDE cables

    I've cooked about 6 AMD XP's. Even with heatsink fitted properly. Heatsinks can be backwards and gap not really visible. They crumble too.

  167. Rugs. Get rid of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Mom insisted upon running the sweeper Sat. afternoon. Charged up the whole house, fried my laptop backlight. Yet another reason to wear headphones and drown out the p's: I can hear the static cling, and know when to get the hell out!

  168. So there i was... by GotSanity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    sitting in my pc workstation technical support class when braindead college student #1 brings in a stick of 512mb ddr wrapped in tin foil. He says to me, "Hey, my ram seems to be having a problem so I brought it in for you to look at it." He then produces a stick of ram wrapped snuggly in tin foil (for protection he added). I didnt have the heart to tell him that even if it wasnt his ram that was having the problem it sure was going to have a problem now.

  169. More on lightning by RedShoeRider · · Score: 2, Informative
    Don't think it's just a direct line strike that can take you down....

    Last summer we had a ground strike at our neighbors house's backyard (about 75' from my house, about 10' from theirs). Trashed their house pretty bad, to the point of even melting a hole in their propane feed line. Nasty bolt

    So while I'm watching the fire department, cops, etc...show up at their house (The occupants were all scared shitless, but otherwise fine), I decided to go check the National Weather service. I had mistakenly forgot to turn it off before the storm, so I just sat down and started typing. Worked fine.

    Except it said the network cable was unplugged. Huh?

    Long story short: 6 (yes, 6) trashed NIC's, 1 trashed router, 1 trashed motherboard, 1 trashed VCR, and a trashed thermostat. Before you ask me about line protection, etc, consider this: the thermostat for the furnace is not on line power. It's battery powered. As for the computers and router: all are on UPS's. Big (2000VA+) industrial ones. Yes, Virgina, the power does suck where I live. The UPS's all reported a mild line spike (147v, if memory serves), but nothing crazy.

    As best anyone can figure (though I'm open to other ideas), the spike got in one of two ways: either though the grounding wires (which would make sence, except for the UPS's protecting that line, too, and that still does not explain the thermostat), or some sort of strange transient voltage created in the wiring of the house by having that much current and voltage passed so close (sort of like creating a big A/C alternator).

    Point being: when Mother Nature decides to pWn your equiptment, she's going to!

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  170. Re:For those not familiar with Homestar... by Stepping+Razor · · Score: 1

    what about caffeine and a jorb well done?

  171. Re:Not Funny: Fake Components China by Brockeolus · · Score: 1

    What about Duvvacell?!?

  172. Emulators can be lethal by markh1967 · · Score: 1
    Some years ago I almost completely killed an Atari ST trying to make disk images of my old Sinclair Spectrum tapes. I connected a tape deck to the line-in socket on the ST and started reading them but kept getting read errors (as any Sinclair owner will tell you, tapes were often a nightmare to load) so I played around with the bass and volume for a while before getting frustrated at my complete lack of success. I then did something really stupid - I turned the volume on the amp up as high as it would go and pressed play. The moment I did this there was a loud bang and ball of smoke from the Atari and it lept a few inches into the air. Closer examination revealed the sound/floppy disk controller chip had exploded (literally; reduced to fragments) and left a crater in the motherboard. I removed the debris and was surprised to find that the computer still worked! No sound and no floppy disk access but I could still boot from the external hard drive and use it until I sourced a new chip.

    I guess they just don't make computers like they used to.

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    Input error. Replace user and press any key to continue.
  173. Too cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last weekend, my boss got a new telescope with some kind of webcam attached. He installed the software on his shiny tablet PC, went out, and shot some nice Saturn pics. They are not available anymore. After 5 minutes Windows crashed and never woke up again. He had taken the running system from 25 C inside to -15 C outside, so the hard drive crashed because of the temperature difference. It is cold dead...

  174. it was thirsty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our VP of IT decided to "water" his pcu one day. Got a shiny new machine out of it. He probably reads this. Hi, Jef!

  175. The #1 Server Killer... by LLivingLarge · · Score: 0

    Slashdot...

    Ride the DDoS wave!

  176. Some of my favorites... by llevity · · Score: 1
    I had a coworker who's computer would reboot anytime the table it was on was even slightly jarred. We'd wait until he was doing his programming homework, get good and involved, walk by, and bump into the PC. Oops, reboot!

    Another one was something I did. I was just learning how to build PCs, and this was back before the PSU connectors could only fit one way. Anyway, there were four wires you had to wire from the PSU to the case on/off switch. I got them in some sort of bad order, because from then on, anytime you plugged that PC in, and tried to switch it on, it'd reset the breaker for the whole electrical circuit. It took my a couple of tries to realize it wasn't a coincidence that everytime I hit the power button, all the lights went off. What's worse, is this happened to be on the same circuit as the CRC server room.

    The upshot is, that socket shouldn't have been on the same circuit, and they fixed that right quick!

  177. Water is not conductive by lorcha · · Score: 1
    Don't believe me? Take some distilled water and try to make it conduct electricity.

    It's the shit inside the water that is conductive. Not the water.

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    "Avoid employing unlucky people - throw half of the pile of CVs in the bin without reading them." -- David Brent
    1. Re:Water is not conductive by Bri3D · · Score: 1

      Admittedly pure water is not conductive. Water needs salt or another ionic compound to transmit electrons. That is why distilled water is used in water cooling systems and the like. Unfourtinately, most everything your water touches after it gets loose has salt on it. Very little salt in water conducts very well. So unless you're in a clean room with distilled water your water is likely to be conductive.

  178. The living PC killer by magi · · Score: 1

    This must be the third time I post the nice image of my rat and the computer he ate. See also a detail of the destruction.

  179. Sparky... by http101 · · Score: 1

    I've found that pouring iron filings inside monitors and power supplies creates quite an interesting display when powered on.

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  180. didnt see this mentioned by ghukov · · Score: 1

    My favorite way of euthanizing an old pc is to update the bios, and in the middle of the write, kill the power.

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  181. Those annoying.. truly dead = by dbcad7 · · Score: 1
    Flash the motherboard bios with the wrong model... and your dead for good.

    been there, done that

    dbcad7

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  182. PC LOAD LETTER by ENOENT · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that's how I kill a PC.

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    That's "Mr. Soulless Automaton" to you, Bub.
  183. Crap caps? Highly likely! by SIGBUS · · Score: 2, Informative
    At my office, there are a bunch of white-box computers. Every one of them had a PSU made by "Deer Computer" in them. Every last one of them eventually failed, and a couple of them took out hard drives or CD-ROMs as well.

    I popped open one of the failed PSUs once and found that, yes indeed, the blown caps were made by that company in Taiwan.

    If your machine has a PSU from Deer, replace the unit ASAP, even if it's working fine right now. It will eventually fail.

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    Oh, no! You have walked into the slavering fangs of a lurking grue!
  184. Anyone remember Old Man Murray's article? by ysaric · · Score: 1

    It was a great one. Some computer game blew up his monitor. If that article still exists anywhere, and someone has a link to it, I would love to get it. That was a great site.

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    Happy goldfish bowl to you.
  185. Airplane by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    I took my desktop through the airport, now it doesn't run. In fact the fan(which I replaced) got broken somehow. Its ok, it was adequete, but now I have an excuse to buy a new PC.

  186. And the rug... by KnarfO · · Score: 1

    Oh! And compy just peed on the carpet... :-D

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  187. Re:Not Funny: Fake Components China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually own a palsonic TV (in australia). As for fakes i have also purchased Nik (nike) shoes and Fanty (fanta) and a cola beverage with a strangly familiar red and white logo "cola" although not quite the same taste...