Wow this is like your dream topic isnt it.. Im not even gonna start but one can kinda see where your comming from with this statement:
"And, I guess you don't get out past the shopping mall much, huh? Ever dealt with a poisonous snake cornered in a barn? A 160-pound wounded buck crashing around your back yard? A rabid raccoon threatening a domestic pet? A coyote stalking your neighborhood kids and animals? A mountain lion raiding a camp site?"
Ok so _none_ of those things would ever happen to me as i live in the city. Do people in the cities need guns? Id be happy if guns were rural use only. Thats the only real place you can justify them. I would strongly disagree that they prevent crime. Your example of crazy drug users bashing down your door not withstanding. On a side note, what kind of crazy neighborhood do you live in?? it sounds like the most dangerous place in the world. Id hate to live in a place that required me to own a gun to survive. Yet another reason to be happy im not an american i guess.
The main flaw in your logic is all around you. You are currently living IN a tyranny and yet no one is using their guns to fight against it. Or more acurately, the ones that do are locked up as terrorists. So yes i think the GP was right in saying that people will never organize to fight their government thus making it an illusion of security. Unless you believe, as you seem to, that the only thing that makes a government tyranical, thus crossing the line where you would "fight them", is when they threaten to take your guns away.
"That is a problem. Prove to me that you have a real need for free speech. Prove to me that you have a right to privacy. Prove to me that you have a real need for any basic right"
How can owning something be a basic right? The other two examples are ideas. As i understand it, people had guns out of nessecity back in the day. Keep the british out and all that. In the context of the british saying "you cannot bare arms" it makes sense for them to codify it into law. Its like in modern times if they rewrote it to say you had a right to "smoke weed". It would be nice to have it in there, but its more like socio-political insurance as apposed to a basic human right. Its a luxury right, and owning guns no longer has societal importance.
If your implying that the fire will "melt" the discs, you should probably realize that all safes are designed to be fire resistant. Not fireproof. Considering people store money and documents in safes which are far more flamable than discs would be, I dont see why you would think its a bad idea.
Better than being in an office drawer in a fire right?
Whatever. leave if you dont like it. People who post on every topic are much less interesting anyways. See for example trip master dick. god i hate low ids... bitch bitch bitch...
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and people complaining that you were hax because you could see them through the transparent GL water.
So you are suggesting that all cultural work should be free to everyone to do with as they wish?
As long as you arent making money off of someone elses work then yes i do believe that. If youre a content creator, it naturally follows that you would want people to experience your content, or else you wouldnt make it in the first place. Does an archetect have the right to say i cant look at his building? People dont paint a beautiful painting then burn it right after (unless they are some kind of avant guard artist but i digress)..
Heres the crux of it. If i build a house, i probably dont want people to steal the beams or the shingles off the roof, but i would have no problem with someone copying the design, or taking a photo of the house for their own uses. Its the same thing. When you release a track and it gets played, the genie is out of the box. I dont think an artist has the right to say i cant listen to it, anymore than i can stop people taking pictures of my house. I might not like it but if i had that much of a problem with the passive use of my material, i wouldnt produce the material in the first place. We have a duty disseminate culture. It is ingrained in the human condition. Society would not have even developed if not for stories around the campfire of lessons, tactics and really any knowledge. For most of history and pre history, verbal communication was the only way to pass on knowledge being passed freely between people. If we dont share culture, we stagnate and die.
"Again, doing without culture is not literally going to kill you."
Living life soley in my own mind is hardly worth living. Solitary confinment for the mind.
*DISCLAIMER* I do think, as i did when i first heard this call on reddit, that the aol guy was justifiably fired and no one should act like this on the phone. But i also think you are being naieve in saying its the CSR's fault so here goes.
"No, I don't got it. He has 100% control over whether what is printed in the script comes out of his mouth."
Sheer ignorance. You have clearly never worked in a call centre. Ive supported a few and i know for a fact, if your supervisor is listening to your call (and you have no idea when this will be) you better well nail every single point on that script. Or your fired. That means no money for food.
"Are you saying that for enough money anything is OK? Are you insane?"
Oh yeah all those thousands of dollars of minimum wage. Those damn CSR's they live like kings! You have no idea what your talking about.
"the hypothetical person reading an immoral script was not doing it because it was the only possible way to avoid starvation. He was doing it because he decided he would rather do that than sweep floors or clean toilets or any of a thousand other shitty, but morally straight, jobs that are available in this country."
There are so many problems with this its unbelievable. Ever been told your overqualified for a job? Ever been turned down for a job with the excuse "sorry, with your skillset, cleaning toilets is probably just a temporary job for you and i really dont want to rehire in a month when you find something better".
So lets see, i could work in a dump and be morally straight (by your sense of morals btw, i dont believe what he was doing was more than slightly immoral -- if at all) or i could work in a semi comfortable office job, to be looked at by others as having a nice job. When you go to the bar and some nice girl asks you what your job is, do you think sanitation worker, or office worker sounds better to them? Society, and the people in it, dont give a rats ass about morality the way your describing it.
"they are 100% judgeable for their actions. It's called "personal responsibility""
Forgive me for thinking that my personal responsiblity to feed myself is more important than the SLIGHT inconvience it causes you to be on the phone for an extra 10 minutes. Jesus.. get some perspective.
Your basically asking, from your high horse no doubt, of the people at the lowest levels of society, to have more morals than; the CEO that made the rule (greed), the society that lets them enforce it (lax laws, little corporate oversight), and the culture that creates all these meritocritical status problems (a sanitation worker being less of a citizen than a customer service worker). But no. Blame the guy whoes just trying to survive all this fucked up shit.
"Far from it, dude. If you 1) keep your computer patched and 2) don't do stupid shit then there's practically zero need for AV"
And you know you dont have a virus, how exactly? Its not like all of them are the sort which display ads and fux with your system. It doesnt matter how leet or smart or good with computers you are, if you use windows you may get viruses. Some situations i can think of off hand:
1) That hot neighbor you've been chatting with in the hall finaly comes over for dinner and checks her webmail because she doesnt have a comptuer at home. Result: INFECTED
2) Your crusing for porn and because of your excitment, misclick into some random link. Result: INFECTED
3) You download some pirated software install it then use the provided crack. Only this isnt just a crack, its a hax0r trojan silently owning you in the background! Result: INFECTED
4) Your friend brings their pc over because he cant get deer hunter 2006 to work. You connect it to your local lan (here i assume you dont have internally firewalled vlans). Result: INFECTED
5) Your walking through the park on your way home from work. You find a USB thumb drive lying on the pathway. You get home and plug it in. USB drive was placed there maliciously by haxx0rs. When autorun runs (or even something more clever) you are owned. Result: INFECTED
In short, there are many many attack vetors that virii, trojans, *ware, scripts and bots can infect your system. Norton AV corp, while yes using SOME resources, is not very intesnsive and does not crash or hang the system randomly. Norton consumer grade products are a world apart from their corporate offerings. NIS and any of their 200x renewable every year products, should be reclassified as malware imho.
They develop a plugin to read ODF files. Thats kind of what I thought this was - by way of gross misunderstanding - and i was about to jump for joy. Then maybe people wont have to keep two versions of a document depending on who they are sending it to.
"hackers will find the bug and report it rather than abuse it, simply because they are sympathetic to OSS projects."
Um that makes no sense. Your saying that hacking is mostly motivated by a hatred of closed software and microsoft? News flash my friend but most hacks are to turn you into a spam zombie or appropriate resources (or files) from your machine. I doubt they care how they get onto the system, and would certainly not throw away what ever revenue they are generating by being brand (or procedure?) loyal.
The quote sticks out because its the same kind of blind stereotypical thinking that creates such phrases as "linux: the hacker OS of choice".
"A 14-year old sleeping with a 14-year old is extremely regrettable."
What kind of morality is that? My first time was at 14 and i dont regret it one bit. We ended up going out for years before we broke up. Just because you didnt get any when you were 14, doesnt make it wrong that 14 year olds have sex with other 14 year olds. It isnt even against the law where im from. Thats just your specific morality and is not even minorly regretable to others.
"I don't get the anti-Gold Farmer stance of many players and Blizzard."
theres nothing to get, its simple racism. American college student farms, (oh im sorry grinds) all day to make cash and hes a hardcore player. A chinese person does it and hes a china farmer and gets narc'ed out, called oh so many racist things, banned and shunned by the community. Its funny because the people i know who are chinese in game dont say jack shit while this persecution is going on. I call that cowardace, but im not asian so what can i really say about it.
People caught hacking the game should be banned. Just because your good at making money and also coincidentally chinese, shouldnt be grounds for a ban.
As I understand it, their logic is: US has nukes, ergo the US is bad. More nukes, more bad. But nukes in the hands of an unstable middle eastern state = (somehow) justifiable comeuppance for that nasty USA?
Teh?
I think what you are seeing is that people distrust the usa and its agenda SO MUCH that iran begins to look sane, moral, and trustworthy by comparison. I'm not saying if its right or wrong for people to see it that way, just saying.
"What, pray tell, COULD we be doing to people that would make sawing off a man's head with a knife "minor"?!"
Have you seen any video from iraq at all? The americans destroy an entire country, mentally as well as physically, but one american gets beheaded and they are the major agressors?
"then come back here and tell me that a guard wiping his ass with the Koran is staggeringly brutal and horrible compared to that."
I doubt he was talking about religious insults and more about the rape, torture and mistreatment that the prisoners face in what looks more and more like _every_ terrorist prison/concentration camp that the usa runs. And yes i do believe that beheading is minor compared to months of torture and psychological abuse but maybe ive watched the deer hunter one too many times.
"Well, tough shit. Advertising is part of our world and culture and they are coming to video games whether you want them to or not."
Well lets see, part of our world? your right! But of course so is cancer, AIDS, Polution, WAR, Famine, the disparity between the rich and poor, dictators, terrorism, pattent trolls, etc... BUT funnily enough, people still try and fix those PROBLEMS. I keep telling them "well tough shit, its part of our world and always will be so you better bloody well get used to it!"
For some reason, these people then kick me in the face. Still trying to determine why.
"I don't like the thought of people without actual medical need taking it to get ahead."
So because a doctor has perscribed it to you (for whatever reason, drug company kickbacks, quotas, placating you, etc) thats some how more right then someone discovering that it helps them and taking it on their own?
Who knows more about you. You or your doctor? Ill give you a hint, its you. The very fact that they do need it and get benifit from it, proves taht they have an actual medical need. Id love to be on speed all day every day too (and dont for a second think that adderall isn't speed - as someone else said it has dexedrine in it) and im sure it would ramp up productivity for me too. I actually have a friend on RX Dexedrine and she can no longer live without it. She doesnt feel "normal" when shes not taking it. I personally dont want to be that dependant on speed, so the occasional recreational party night is pretty much what i limit myself to. Your not some kind of special person who is morally right in doing speed everyday. Anyone who it helps is the same exact person as you. ADD my ass. I cant get our of bed in the morning and have no motivation either. Thats cause life sucks and drugs help.
Ok. well im a food and sleep addict too then i guess. Im also a sex addict (company permitting). Theres nothing inherently wrong with habitual private use of drugs. I dont understand what self righteous people get out of telling people that they are fucked. Doing drugs is his business, and if he doesnt see it as a problem, well then is it?
Just because you have a problem with some behavior for yourself does not mean that other people dont have sufficiant control to handle it. The only problem with drugs comes from their scarcity and illegality. Once you fix those problems, people stealing cars to flip for meth will not be an issue. Most people dont want to be saved from themselves anyways. thats for the weak.
Wow this new scheme is awful. The moderation is way on the other side so i dont know how to react when i read the comments. The boxes are also too big. Shouldnt slashdot have like a link to the old CSS for people who dont like this forced upgrade? the fonts are all the same. all the text runs together its AWFUL. why dont you leave the old slashdot default in place, and then let people change it to these gay web2.0 css sheets from their userprofile? why penalize everyone?
Im surprised there isnt a link on the mainpage for people. i nearly had a heart attack. Please can someone post a download location for the old slashdot css?
Slashdot Mirror
Im not even gonna start but one can kinda see where your comming from with this statement:
Ok so _none_ of those things would ever happen to me as i live in the city. Do people in the cities need guns? Id be happy if guns were rural use only. Thats the only real place you can justify them. I would strongly disagree that they prevent crime. Your example of crazy drug users bashing down your door not withstanding. On a side note, what kind of crazy neighborhood do you live in?? it sounds like the most dangerous place in the world. Id hate to live in a place that required me to own a gun to survive. Yet another reason to be happy im not an american i guess.
The main flaw in your logic is all around you. You are currently living IN a tyranny and yet no one is using their guns to fight against it. Or more acurately, the ones that do are locked up as terrorists.
So yes i think the GP was right in saying that people will never organize to fight their government thus making it an illusion of security. Unless you believe, as you seem to, that the only thing that makes a government tyranical, thus crossing the line where you would "fight them", is when they threaten to take your guns away.
How can owning something be a basic right? The other two examples are ideas. As i understand it, people had guns out of nessecity back in the day. Keep the british out and all that. In the context of the british saying "you cannot bare arms" it makes sense for them to codify it into law. Its like in modern times if they rewrote it to say you had a right to "smoke weed". It would be nice to have it in there, but its more like socio-political insurance as apposed to a basic human right. Its a luxury right, and owning guns no longer has societal importance.
"Plastic media + fireproof safe = bad idea."
If your implying that the fire will "melt" the discs, you should probably realize that all safes are designed to be fire resistant. Not fireproof. Considering people store money and documents in safes which are far more flamable than discs would be, I dont see why you would think its a bad idea.
Better than being in an office drawer in a fire right?
But a picture is worth 1000 words.
hilarious. best comment ever.
Whatever. leave if you dont like it. People who post on every topic are much less interesting anyways. See for example trip master dick. god i hate low ids... bitch bitch bitch...
and people complaining that you were hax because you could see them through the transparent GL water.
goodtimes.
2fort5 MegaTF ftw!!
if your trying to say its not a word, youd be wrong.
take that grammar nazi! people who correct others speeling are da looser
As long as you arent making money off of someone elses work then yes i do believe that. If youre a content creator, it naturally follows that you would want people to experience your content, or else you wouldnt make it in the first place. Does an archetect have the right to say i cant look at his building? People dont paint a beautiful painting then burn it right after (unless they are some kind of avant guard artist but i digress)..
Heres the crux of it. If i build a house, i probably dont want people to steal the beams or the shingles off the roof, but i would have no problem with someone copying the design, or taking a photo of the house for their own uses. Its the same thing. When you release a track and it gets played, the genie is out of the box. I dont think an artist has the right to say i cant listen to it, anymore than i can stop people taking pictures of my house. I might not like it but if i had that much of a problem with the passive use of my material, i wouldnt produce the material in the first place. We have a duty disseminate culture. It is ingrained in the human condition. Society would not have even developed if not for stories around the campfire of lessons, tactics and really any knowledge. For most of history and pre history, verbal communication was the only way to pass on knowledge being passed freely between people. If we dont share culture, we stagnate and die.
Living life soley in my own mind is hardly worth living. Solitary confinment for the mind.
Sheer ignorance. You have clearly never worked in a call centre. Ive supported a few and i know for a fact, if your supervisor is listening to your call (and you have no idea when this will be) you better well nail every single point on that script. Or your fired. That means no money for food.
Oh yeah all those thousands of dollars of minimum wage. Those damn CSR's they live like kings! You have no idea what your talking about.
There are so many problems with this its unbelievable. Ever been told your overqualified for a job? Ever been turned down for a job with the excuse "sorry, with your skillset, cleaning toilets is probably just a temporary job for you and i really dont want to rehire in a month when you find something better".
So lets see, i could work in a dump and be morally straight (by your sense of morals btw, i dont believe what he was doing was more than slightly immoral -- if at all) or i could work in a semi comfortable office job, to be looked at by others as having a nice job. When you go to the bar and some nice girl asks you what your job is, do you think sanitation worker, or office worker sounds better to them? Society, and the people in it, dont give a rats ass about morality the way your describing it.
Forgive me for thinking that my personal responsiblity to feed myself is more important than the SLIGHT inconvience it causes you to be on the phone for an extra 10 minutes. Jesus.. get some perspective.
Your basically asking, from your high horse no doubt, of the people at the lowest levels of society, to have more morals than; the CEO that made the rule (greed), the society that lets them enforce it (lax laws, little corporate oversight), and the culture that creates all these meritocritical status problems (a sanitation worker being less of a citizen than a customer service worker). But no. Blame the guy whoes just trying to survive all this fucked up shit.
And you know you dont have a virus, how exactly? Its not like all of them are the sort which display ads and fux with your system. It doesnt matter how leet or smart or good with computers you are, if you use windows you may get viruses.
Some situations i can think of off hand:
1) That hot neighbor you've been chatting with in the hall finaly comes over for dinner and checks her webmail because she doesnt have a comptuer at home. Result: INFECTED
2) Your crusing for porn and because of your excitment, misclick into some random link. Result: INFECTED
3) You download some pirated software install it then use the provided crack. Only this isnt just a crack, its a hax0r trojan silently owning you in the background! Result: INFECTED
4) Your friend brings their pc over because he cant get deer hunter 2006 to work. You connect it to your local lan (here i assume you dont have internally firewalled vlans). Result: INFECTED
5) Your walking through the park on your way home from work. You find a USB thumb drive lying on the pathway. You get home and plug it in. USB drive was placed there maliciously by haxx0rs. When autorun runs (or even something more clever) you are owned. Result: INFECTED
In short, there are many many attack vetors that virii, trojans, *ware, scripts and bots can infect your system. Norton AV corp, while yes using SOME resources, is not very intesnsive and does not crash or hang the system randomly. Norton consumer grade products are a world apart from their corporate offerings. NIS and any of their 200x renewable every year products, should be reclassified as malware imho.
They develop a plugin to read ODF files. Thats kind of what I thought this was - by way of gross misunderstanding - and i was about to jump for joy. Then maybe people wont have to keep two versions of a document depending on who they are sending it to.
"Of course, RIAA may simply try to hack/buy the pirate party roster as a list of possible new defendants in their next round of lawsuits..."
Wouldnt that make you a political prisoner?
Um that makes no sense. Your saying that hacking is mostly motivated by a hatred of closed software and microsoft? News flash my friend but most hacks are to turn you into a spam zombie or appropriate resources (or files) from your machine. I doubt they care how they get onto the system, and would certainly not throw away what ever revenue they are generating by being brand (or procedure?) loyal.
The quote sticks out because its the same kind of blind stereotypical thinking that creates such phrases as "linux: the hacker OS of choice".
All those uber leet googling-for-cracks skills eh? Please for the love of god stop using your uber hax0r 133t skillz!! The world is not yet ready!!!
*Phew!*
The world is safe.. at least, for another day...
What kind of morality is that? My first time was at 14 and i dont regret it one bit. We ended up going out for years before we broke up. Just because you didnt get any when you were 14, doesnt make it wrong that 14 year olds have sex with other 14 year olds. It isnt even against the law where im from. Thats just your specific morality and is not even minorly regretable to others.
http://www.mininova.org/tor/49932
I saw it a few months ago. very funny.
theres nothing to get, its simple racism. American college student farms, (oh im sorry grinds) all day to make cash and hes a hardcore player. A chinese person does it and hes a china farmer and gets narc'ed out, called oh so many racist things, banned and shunned by the community. Its funny because the people i know who are chinese in game dont say jack shit while this persecution is going on. I call that cowardace, but im not asian so what can i really say about it.
People caught hacking the game should be banned. Just because your good at making money and also coincidentally chinese, shouldnt be grounds for a ban.
I think what you are seeing is that people distrust the usa and its agenda SO MUCH that iran begins to look sane, moral, and trustworthy by comparison. I'm not saying if its right or wrong for people to see it that way, just saying.
Have you seen any video from iraq at all? The americans destroy an entire country, mentally as well as physically, but one american gets beheaded and they are the major agressors?
I doubt he was talking about religious insults and more about the rape, torture and mistreatment that the prisoners face in what looks more and more like _every_ terrorist prison/concentration camp that the usa runs. And yes i do believe that beheading is minor compared to months of torture and psychological abuse but maybe ive watched the deer hunter one too many times.
"Well, tough shit. Advertising is part of our world and culture and they are coming to video games whether you want them to or not."
Well lets see, part of our world? your right! But of course so is cancer, AIDS, Polution, WAR, Famine, the disparity between the rich and poor, dictators, terrorism, pattent trolls, etc... BUT funnily enough, people still try and fix those PROBLEMS. I keep telling them "well tough shit, its part of our world and always will be so you better bloody well get used to it!"
For some reason, these people then kick me in the face. Still trying to determine why.
"I don't like the thought of people without actual medical need taking it to get ahead."
So because a doctor has perscribed it to you (for whatever reason, drug company kickbacks, quotas, placating you, etc) thats some how more right then someone discovering that it helps them and taking it on their own?
Who knows more about you. You or your doctor? Ill give you a hint, its you. The very fact that they do need it and get benifit from it, proves taht they have an actual medical need. Id love to be on speed all day every day too (and dont for a second think that adderall isn't speed - as someone else said it has dexedrine in it) and im sure it would ramp up productivity for me too. I actually have a friend on RX Dexedrine and she can no longer live without it. She doesnt feel "normal" when shes not taking it. I personally dont want to be that dependant on speed, so the occasional recreational party night is pretty much what i limit myself to. Your not some kind of special person who is morally right in doing speed everyday. Anyone who it helps is the same exact person as you. ADD my ass. I cant get our of bed in the morning and have no motivation either. Thats cause life sucks and drugs help.
"YOU ARE A DRUG ADDICT."
Ok. well im a food and sleep addict too then i guess. Im also a sex addict (company permitting). Theres nothing inherently wrong with habitual private use of drugs. I dont understand what self righteous people get out of telling people that they are fucked. Doing drugs is his business, and if he doesnt see it as a problem, well then is it?
Just because you have a problem with some behavior for yourself does not mean that other people dont have sufficiant control to handle it. The only problem with drugs comes from their scarcity and illegality. Once you fix those problems, people stealing cars to flip for meth will not be an issue. Most people dont want to be saved from themselves anyways. thats for the weak.
Wow this new scheme is awful. The moderation is way on the other side so i dont know how to react when i read the comments. The boxes are also too big. Shouldnt slashdot have like a link to the old CSS for people who dont like this forced upgrade? the fonts are all the same. all the text runs together its AWFUL. why dont you leave the old slashdot default in place, and then let people change it to these gay web2.0 css sheets from their userprofile? why penalize everyone?
Im surprised there isnt a link on the mainpage for people. i nearly had a heart attack. Please can someone post a download location for the old slashdot css?