Description: Intriguingly, the signal reflected from the bottom of the crater is so strong and appears so flat that it may be liquid water.
So in fact, subsurface ice was not discovered but we have a good idea that it might. Not only that, but the title says ice, the description says liquid water. Wow.
You are on the right track. Gnome while providing a clean nice and usable interface (for grandma), has an extremely poor infrastructure. KDE on the other hand has a top notch framework that is very consistent and extensible. I still use gnome daily but get put off by the dumbed down file choosers and lack of ioslaves. But it is pleasant to use other than that.
KDE is extremely powerful, I dont really give a crap if it uses 200MB or 2GB on the drive, what matter is speed and memory consumption. 1GB costs 50 cents right now. The term Bloated is so overused, I am not really sure what it means anymore. KDE is a complete environment, that is its purpose. If you want a WM use flux or gnome.
Neither environment provides a consumer grade UI just yet. They both lack in many areas, but they are getting there (In the sense of bumping around in a dark room). What they really need is more corporate influence by way of usability expertise and possibly artwork. Anyone can code, its how well you code.
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Actually I think the opposite is true. Under the hood (Qt, ioSlaves, kParts), KDE is currently the cleanest most extendable platform available OSS desktop out. The difference is Gnome and KDE just have totally different directions. Both want to be usable but in different ways. Gnome for instance seems to be more focused on cleaner minimalistic interfaces, almost more like a WM than a DE. KDE wants to be more usable from a system standpoint, an entire integrated desktop environment that is seamless. kparts and ioslaves are truely remarkable and help developers makes quickly. Gnome on the other hand has a very fragmented framework.
Take gthumb for instance, since gnome doesnt really support the notion of ioslaves. The ssh protocol is only partially supported. Different parts of the app can use it, others can't. Makes it very confusing and frsutrating for the wife. In KDE ioslaves do not even come into play for most applications. If you make a simple app that needs reads and writes files in gnome, you need to account for each io protocol that the desktop may use. In KDE, its a completely decoupled. As new ioslaves are implemented, applications do not even need to be recompiled.
I am a gnome user, but do accept the fact that KDE has a far superior framework and implements very usable (and modern) design patterns. Arguably, this is partially due to the fact that KDE uses C++ and gnome uses C. OO programming opens the door to more possibilities while minimizing code replication.
KDE needs to accept the fact, that most people hate the 1 inch bar on the bottom of a default install. I do not know a single person (~30) that do not rearrange the bars to look like a Mac. The nice thing is they can, the bad thing is, they have to. Plasma and KDE4 should change that by creating a cleaner more intuitive interface to the average user.
Okay seriously. O'Reilly is not a hard core conservative... Consider his public viewpoints.
-> Is for gay marriage.
-> Is against the death penalty
-> Is for gay adoption
-> Is for abortion
-> Hates W
-> Hates Billy Graham.
Is he a conservative? Sometimes he is, sometimes he is a liberal. He is all over the board. If anything, you have to respect his stances since they do not in any way follow either major party. He refuses to follow anyone's lead and do his own research to reach his conclusions. I am sure his reputation as a hard line conservative stemmed from his thorough distaste for clinton, which was primarily driven by the whole "lying under oath" deal. Die hard republicans do not like O'Reilly at all.
I am not an O' Reilly fan, but I do watch his show from time to time when there is nothing else on. At the minimum his interviews can be amusing whether you agree with him or not. As a conservative, I would say I only align with him on 50% of his public viewpoints. He is not really a moderate either, he is himself.
That's not really the same. When you go to wal mart you are under no obligation to buy everything from them, in fact you almost surely will have to shop at other stores to get everything you need.
Unless you live in a small town and walmart destroys all the competition. Then, you have to buy certain things from them ranging from food and clothing to entertainment items.
People that have resources, transportation and knowledge have the ability to avoid walmart, many do not have those attributes and must submit to the machine. Sound familiar?
It undercuts its competitors in pricing, unifies previously separate markets, provides open but proprietary APIs, and bundles new functions into platforms it already dominates. Once it has acquired control over an industry standard, it invades neighboring markets.
Sounds exactly like Walmart to me. In fact, I think the two are very similar, Microsoft, is really just the walmart of the techonolgy world. Both offer a variety of products (some useless, some substandard) marketed to people who dont really don't care about overall quality.
And i suppose if I had a "broken" gun in my basement and you broke in and stole it, then tried to use it and injured yourself, you could sue me right?
Sorry, i am having a hard time seeing the correlation to Terrorism here. It seems that you have a predisposition to the US's stance on terror and are desparately trying to make a connection for a political statement. Unfortunately, typical slashdot readers will agree with you =)
This would be very different if the US broke in to USSR and altered their software to malfunction. That definitely would be a criminal act, but more perhaps importantly and act of War. I doubt the Soviets ever figured out what happened until they were told.
If BSD is so stable then a newer release would be almost impossible to label as "even more stable". If it was so stable to begin with, and 6 just came out, how can one possibly proclaim that the newer release is even more stable? Enough time hasnt passed yet.
This is a moot point of course if the statement is true, but that would mean that 5.3 and 5.4 were really not that stable.
Saying the the Democrats stopped any action in the House is intellectually dishonest.
Have you lost your mind? They voted no on a measure that required a 2/3 vote.So basically if you vote no and you are in the minority its the majorities fault that the measure did not pass? That is just nuts, my brain hurts.
This has the look and feel of gnome 1.0. If they(you) want to get this product moving, they need pretty colours and components. Not in year or two when it might be more usable to grandma, but right now. In software development, impressions get set early and are very hard to break.
GUI builders are pretty standard nowadays although I still prefer not to use them.
Completely depends on the player. Contents of DVD are nothing more than video/audio "files". A phillips player I bought this spring allows me to jump through anything. My sony, does not.
Have a machine download the most recently submitted "ebuild" files, then attempt to build the binaries.
While this wouldnt hurt, compilation issues in gentoo are usually do to particular combinations of packages and USE flags. There are quite simply far too many combinations to test for.
So true. Or at least if the ones that are were more vocal. I think the people giving Christianity a bad name are in the minority among Christians but they are, unfortunately, a very vocal minority.
Its the fringe groups that get most of the attention from the media... Everyone else is just too normal and uninteresting.
Its not against the will of the people, Its against the will of most of them.
You do know that corporations are not machines and are actually run by people right? This group of people IS rallying against the DNC list and have every right to. Its their way of life they are fighting for. Its not just execs, its the phone operators. They like being employed and would prefer to continue being employed.
Having said that. I think the DNC list is a perfect solution. It allows people that do not want their phone used as an advertisement billboard to do so. Getting bugged during dinner (or worse) makes you want to throw the phone through a wall.
I know its common practice here to tie just about anything evil to a corporation, but remember, a corporations is just a group of people. Citizens entitiled to the same rights. They can be just as "evil" as any other group of people be it a "society", "organization" or "government". Let them protest to the FCC. If this is important enough to the people, the people will make laws. Most people are just too lazy so we will probably just sit in limbo.
Once again, please get for facts straight. The US is still recruiting faster than it did 4 years ago. The "numbers" that they are not reaching is their assumed growth rate. This means our military is not growing as fast anymore. That is the real problem and it is realted to Iraq.
We have more inlisted soldiers now than 4 years ago, and also it is still growing. As for the escorting of military recruiters, I have not seen that in my area at all nor have I heard about it from my superiors. I am sure there are many over zealous recuiters somewhere.
They are running out of bodies to send to Iraq and fast.
Actually the military overall has seen a net gain over the last 4 years wrt inlisted folks. Also, in case you are interested in facts and not left wing propoganda, there are fewer soldiers in Iraq every month now by design. We are already phasing out are presence there however not at a very fast rate.
I realize that you are simply trying to boost a political point but at least check your facts before someone actually believes you and repeats it to someone else.
And that is good because those systems are portable and modular. Any one of your systems can be used for a variety of tasks.
When talking about a gaming consolse, that is it, all it can do is play games and connect hardware that Sony has licensed out. Any of of your computers can play games to different degrees but they all can perform a large variety of tasks.
As for portable devices, each his own. But I only have two large pockets and since I dont each cheetos, limited belt space. Someone can always buy just a cell phone or just a palm pilot. But some of us want three in one. Once the price drops, palm like phones with _good_ mp3 support will be the norm. I am simply pointed out the same will be true for home computing, whether that be word processing, photo editing, games, movies, music or whatever.
I believe CNet is dead wrong in its assumption, aside from the fact each system type is geared toward specific gaming markets.
This is exactly where I disagree with you and the original article. you do not have to have a $400 card to play any mainstream game. My $200 card works just great and can run HL2, GTA, UT and any other game I have at 1280x1024. It also has far more power and disk space and doesnt require an add on for internet access.
So for $200 you can add a card to a presumably prexisting machine and play your games on it. Now to me, that is the cheapest way to go. As long as you have a machine built within the last two years, you are set (~512MB of RAM, ~1.5Ghz proc).
Why do people want 2-4 machines for different purposes when they can have just one that does everything? Reminds of the old MP3Player/CellPhone/PalmPilot debacle. Who the hell wants three separate (expensive) devices. In my house I want 1-2 machines that can do "anything".
Java is horrible. Java uses a virtual machine that runs at the speed of my old Pentium 2
You dirty troll. That is complete bs unless you are using "new p2" JDK1.5 runs at 90-95 native speed in almost any area. Its not for everything, but Java definitely has its place.
You are obviously a Mac or Gnome user. KDE is very usable for people that like or need its UI schema. For developers its very usable, more usable than any DE I have ever used and my coworkers agree. Some types of people want as many options presented at once as possible in a hierarchical or relational manner. I dont want to dig through menus or have 10 windows popup find something. Some types of people want only the basic options shown with graphical aides, like grandma or probably you. To think there is a single UI schema for all types of people is sheer lunacy.
Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean its unusable. Different people like different UI schemas. I like gnome at home when I am goofing off and KDE at work when I need to get shit done. Different DEs for different uses, what a concept.
They have been hiding information like this from you for years in books. I wish there was a "egotistical retard" moderation category.
Mainly what I like the the UI interface from a Mac, is the top bar, textual buttons for the menu and such. I havent tried a baghira in a long time. (Downloading now)
Also keep in mind that KHTML and Konqueror are two separate projects. Konqueror is probably the most usable browser of all time from a functionality standpoint. User interface wise, it could be better. but its no worse than FF or IE. Once gecko is properly ported as a kpart, konqueror will be extremely powerful. being able to switch between renders on the fly, saving sessions will be awesome. It may actually kill KHTML, although KDE devs firmly deny that =)
This argument made more sense 3 years ago. Then KDE was laying the foundation for 3.x and focusing little on the UI (In my opinion). Now with Qt4 (seriously, read the new featureset) and KDE4 due out in a year, KDE/Konqueror/KHTML is going to get a major boost. In case anyone hasnt noticed, KDE and Gnome have been exploding in the last 2 years.
Now if I could only get a Mac clone theme for KDE;)
I still dont see it. The point is airline passengers _will_ use their "drivers licenses' to buy tickets and board aircrafts. There are 50 current dirvers licenses, far too many keep track of and know how to look for counterfeits. If we had a single diver's license, where everyone looks the same, where your SSN and birthdate would be encoded, where in the future the photo from your lincese application could be compared to the one of the card.... blah blah blah.... we would definitely be safer. As long as they dont keep records, I would much rather be safer. Its still too easy to allow terrorists on board planes.
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Title: Vast Subsurface Martian Ice Discovered
Description: Intriguingly, the signal reflected from the bottom of the crater is so strong and appears so flat that it may be liquid water.
So in fact, subsurface ice was not discovered but we have a good idea that it might. Not only that, but the title says ice, the description says liquid water. Wow.
You are on the right track. Gnome while providing a clean nice and usable interface (for grandma), has an extremely poor infrastructure. KDE on the other hand has a top notch framework that is very consistent and extensible. I still use gnome daily but get put off by the dumbed down file choosers and lack of ioslaves. But it is pleasant to use other than that.
KDE is extremely powerful, I dont really give a crap if it uses 200MB or 2GB on the drive, what matter is speed and memory consumption. 1GB costs 50 cents right now. The term Bloated is so overused, I am not really sure what it means anymore. KDE is a complete environment, that is its purpose. If you want a WM use flux or gnome.
Neither environment provides a consumer grade UI just yet. They both lack in many areas, but they are getting there (In the sense of bumping around in a dark room). What they really need is more corporate influence by way of usability expertise and possibly artwork. Anyone can code, its how well you code.
Actually I think the opposite is true. Under the hood (Qt, ioSlaves, kParts), KDE is currently the cleanest most extendable platform available OSS desktop out. The difference is Gnome and KDE just have totally different directions. Both want to be usable but in different ways. Gnome for instance seems to be more focused on cleaner minimalistic interfaces, almost more like a WM than a DE. KDE wants to be more usable from a system standpoint, an entire integrated desktop environment that is seamless. kparts and ioslaves are truely remarkable and help developers makes quickly. Gnome on the other hand has a very fragmented framework.
Take gthumb for instance, since gnome doesnt really support the notion of ioslaves. The ssh protocol is only partially supported. Different parts of the app can use it, others can't. Makes it very confusing and frsutrating for the wife. In KDE ioslaves do not even come into play for most applications. If you make a simple app that needs reads and writes files in gnome, you need to account for each io protocol that the desktop may use. In KDE, its a completely decoupled. As new ioslaves are implemented, applications do not even need to be recompiled.
I am a gnome user, but do accept the fact that KDE has a far superior framework and implements very usable (and modern) design patterns. Arguably, this is partially due to the fact that KDE uses C++ and gnome uses C. OO programming opens the door to more possibilities while minimizing code replication.
KDE needs to accept the fact, that most people hate the 1 inch bar on the bottom of a default install. I do not know a single person (~30) that do not rearrange the bars to look like a Mac. The nice thing is they can, the bad thing is, they have to. Plasma and KDE4 should change that by creating a cleaner more intuitive interface to the average user.
Okay seriously. O'Reilly is not a hard core conservative... Consider his public viewpoints.
-> Is for gay marriage.
-> Is against the death penalty
-> Is for gay adoption
-> Is for abortion
-> Hates W
-> Hates Billy Graham.
Is he a conservative? Sometimes he is, sometimes he is a liberal. He is all over the board. If anything, you have to respect his stances since they do not in any way follow either major party. He refuses to follow anyone's lead and do his own research to reach his conclusions. I am sure his reputation as a hard line conservative stemmed from his thorough distaste for clinton, which was primarily driven by the whole "lying under oath" deal. Die hard republicans do not like O'Reilly at all.
I am not an O' Reilly fan, but I do watch his show from time to time when there is nothing else on. At the minimum his interviews can be amusing whether you agree with him or not. As a conservative, I would say I only align with him on 50% of his public viewpoints. He is not really a moderate either, he is himself.
That's not really the same. When you go to wal mart you are under no obligation to buy everything from them, in fact you almost surely will have to shop at other stores to get everything you need.
Unless you live in a small town and walmart destroys all the competition. Then, you have to buy certain things from them ranging from food and clothing to entertainment items.
People that have resources, transportation and knowledge have the ability to avoid walmart, many do not have those attributes and must submit to the machine. Sound familiar?
It undercuts its competitors in pricing, unifies previously separate markets, provides open but proprietary APIs, and bundles new functions into platforms it already dominates. Once it has acquired control over an industry standard, it invades neighboring markets.
Sounds exactly like Walmart to me. In fact, I think the two are very similar, Microsoft, is really just the walmart of the techonolgy world. Both offer a variety of products (some useless, some substandard) marketed to people who dont really don't care about overall quality.
And i suppose if I had a "broken" gun in my basement and you broke in and stole it, then tried to use it and injured yourself, you could sue me right?
Sorry, i am having a hard time seeing the correlation to Terrorism here. It seems that you have a predisposition to the US's stance on terror and are desparately trying to make a connection for a political statement. Unfortunately, typical slashdot readers will agree with you =)
This would be very different if the US broke in to USSR and altered their software to malfunction. That definitely would be a criminal act, but more perhaps importantly and act of War. I doubt the Soviets ever figured out what happened until they were told.
That is a very interesting proclamation...
If BSD is so stable then a newer release would be almost impossible to label as "even more stable". If it was so stable to begin with, and 6 just came out, how can one possibly proclaim that the newer release is even more stable? Enough time hasnt passed yet.
This is a moot point of course if the statement is true, but that would mean that 5.3 and 5.4 were really not that stable.
Saying the the Democrats stopped any action in the House is intellectually dishonest.
Have you lost your mind? They voted no on a measure that required a 2/3 vote.So basically if you vote no and you are in the minority its the majorities fault that the measure did not pass? That is just nuts, my brain hurts.
Nice demos, however....
This has the look and feel of gnome 1.0. If they(you) want to get this product moving, they need pretty colours and components. Not in year or two when it might be more usable to grandma, but right now. In software development, impressions get set early and are very hard to break.
GUI builders are pretty standard nowadays although I still prefer not to use them.
Completely depends on the player. Contents of DVD are nothing more than video/audio "files". A phillips player I bought this spring allows me to jump through anything. My sony, does not.
Here is a sampling of the known bugs
The system might hang under heavy load.
Have a machine download the most recently submitted "ebuild" files, then attempt to build the binaries.
While this wouldnt hurt, compilation issues in gentoo are usually do to particular combinations of packages and USE flags. There are quite simply far too many combinations to test for.
So true. Or at least if the ones that are were more vocal. I think the people giving Christianity a bad name are in the minority among Christians but they are, unfortunately, a very vocal minority.
Its the fringe groups that get most of the attention from the media... Everyone else is just too normal and uninteresting.
Its not against the will of the people, Its against the will of most of them.
You do know that corporations are not machines and are actually run by people right? This group of people IS rallying against the DNC list and have every right to. Its their way of life they are fighting for. Its not just execs, its the phone operators. They like being employed and would prefer to continue being employed.
Having said that. I think the DNC list is a perfect solution. It allows people that do not want their phone used as an advertisement billboard to do so. Getting bugged during dinner (or worse) makes you want to throw the phone through a wall.
I know its common practice here to tie just about anything evil to a corporation, but remember, a corporations is just a group of people. Citizens entitiled to the same rights. They can be just as "evil" as any other group of people be it a "society", "organization" or "government". Let them protest to the FCC. If this is important enough to the people, the people will make laws. Most people are just too lazy so we will probably just sit in limbo.
not making their numbers
Once again, please get for facts straight. The US is still recruiting faster than it did 4 years ago. The "numbers" that they are not reaching is their assumed growth rate. This means our military is not growing as fast anymore. That is the real problem and it is realted to Iraq.
We have more inlisted soldiers now than 4 years ago, and also it is still growing. As for the escorting of military recruiters, I have not seen that in my area at all nor have I heard about it from my superiors. I am sure there are many over zealous recuiters somewhere.
They are running out of bodies to send to Iraq and fast.
Actually the military overall has seen a net gain over the last 4 years wrt inlisted folks. Also, in case you are interested in facts and not left wing propoganda, there are fewer soldiers in Iraq every month now by design. We are already phasing out are presence there however not at a very fast rate.
I realize that you are simply trying to boost a political point but at least check your facts before someone actually believes you and repeats it to someone else.
And that is good because those systems are portable and modular. Any one of your systems can be used for a variety of tasks.
When talking about a gaming consolse, that is it, all it can do is play games and connect hardware that Sony has licensed out. Any of of your computers can play games to different degrees but they all can perform a large variety of tasks.
As for portable devices, each his own. But I only have two large pockets and since I dont each cheetos, limited belt space. Someone can always buy just a cell phone or just a palm pilot. But some of us want three in one. Once the price drops, palm like phones with _good_ mp3 support will be the norm. I am simply pointed out the same will be true for home computing, whether that be word processing, photo editing, games, movies, music or whatever.
I believe CNet is dead wrong in its assumption, aside from the fact each system type is geared toward specific gaming markets.
Like a new $400 video card to play Half-Life 2
This is exactly where I disagree with you and the original article. you do not have to have a $400 card to play any mainstream game. My $200 card works just great and can run HL2, GTA, UT and any other game I have at 1280x1024. It also has far more power and disk space and doesnt require an add on for internet access.
So for $200 you can add a card to a presumably prexisting machine and play your games on it. Now to me, that is the cheapest way to go. As long as you have a machine built within the last two years, you are set (~512MB of RAM, ~1.5Ghz proc).
Why do people want 2-4 machines for different purposes when they can have just one that does everything? Reminds of the old MP3Player/CellPhone/PalmPilot debacle. Who the hell wants three separate (expensive) devices. In my house I want 1-2 machines that can do "anything".
Java is horrible. Java uses a virtual machine that runs at the speed of my old Pentium 2
You dirty troll. That is complete bs unless you are using "new p2" JDK1.5 runs at 90-95 native speed in almost any area. Its not for everything, but Java definitely has its place.
Dear Chris,
You are obviously a Mac or Gnome user. KDE is very usable for people that like or need its UI schema. For developers its very usable, more usable than any DE I have ever used and my coworkers agree. Some types of people want as many options presented at once as possible in a hierarchical or relational manner. I dont want to dig through menus or have 10 windows popup find something. Some types of people want only the basic options shown with graphical aides, like grandma or probably you. To think there is a single UI schema for all types of people is sheer lunacy.
Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean its unusable. Different people like different UI schemas. I like gnome at home when I am goofing off and KDE at work when I need to get shit done. Different DEs for different uses, what a concept.
They have been hiding information like this from you for years in books. I wish there was a "egotistical retard" moderation category.
Your Friend,
Jason
Mainly what I like the the UI interface from a Mac, is the top bar, textual buttons for the menu and such. I havent tried a baghira in a long time. (Downloading now)
Also keep in mind that KHTML and Konqueror are two separate projects. Konqueror is probably the most usable browser of all time from a functionality standpoint. User interface wise, it could be better. but its no worse than FF or IE. Once gecko is properly ported as a kpart, konqueror will be extremely powerful. being able to switch between renders on the fly, saving sessions will be awesome. It may actually kill KHTML, although KDE devs firmly deny that =)
;)
This argument made more sense 3 years ago. Then KDE was laying the foundation for 3.x and focusing little on the UI (In my opinion). Now with Qt4 (seriously, read the new featureset) and KDE4 due out in a year, KDE/Konqueror/KHTML is going to get a major boost. In case anyone hasnt noticed, KDE and Gnome have been exploding in the last 2 years.
Now if I could only get a Mac clone theme for KDE
I still dont see it. The point is airline passengers _will_ use their "drivers licenses' to buy tickets and board aircrafts. There are 50 current dirvers licenses, far too many keep track of and know how to look for counterfeits. If we had a single diver's license, where everyone looks the same, where your SSN and birthdate would be encoded, where in the future the photo from your lincese application could be compared to the one of the card.... blah blah blah.... we would definitely be safer. As long as they dont keep records, I would much rather be safer. Its still too easy to allow terrorists on board planes.
Because then everyone would have to buy passports. They are not very portable anyways, why not just have one ID for "everything"?