In this case, the stupid rules and procedures were the ad hoc ones implemented by Mr. Colon. He illegally bypassed the established security rules and regulations in favor of ones he deemed more efficient. His transgression revealed only the stupidity of his personal rules, not those of the FBI.
I challenge the position that someone broadcasting a signal into public airspace has the authority to give access permission. Once the signal is broadcast, how does the broadcaster retain any rights as to who can or can't access it, what's the legal precedent?
I understand that the suspect's wi-fi access is not simply a one way direction of signal, that his computer and the store's are interacting. The store setup their computer to interact with other computers. They do not have the legal right to restrict that interaction past the boundary of their establishment. Have the courts ever recognized that right?
>"But yes, the dominance of (male) nerds and geeks is one factor that further drives women away from nerdy pursiuts - the problem is just that this pales in significance to the fact that female nerds is a terribly small group compared to the number of male nerds."
> I'd rather see America keep it's skilled workers employed with good jobs, and providing new ones for those in school. I want Americans getting richer, not multi-nationals and the thousand or so people at the very top. Alternatively I want to see people all over the world treated better and working in better, safer conditions, even if it costs Americans some of their wasteful, disposable lifestyle.
NeMon'ess, I agree completely. I just think you're trying to use a crowbar as a hammer. The right tool for reforming China's labor laws is not multinational corporations: it's the Chinese government, national groups, and outside human rights groups.
I think that the $2 extra spent on that t-shirt would be better spent by donating it to a group like Amnesty International. You're expediently using outside companies to put the pressure on China, when China has already demonstrated near-immunity from such business-based pressure.
> The USA, corporations within, and multi-nationals haven't yet made a concerted effort focused on labor conditions.
That's because it's not their business. Businesses are in China to make stuff with cheap labor.
Chinese labor reform is the job of the Chinese government and Chinese organizations, not outside companies doing business in China.
> If Foxconn hired more workers...
Foxconn would never agree to Apple's terms, because it would put them at a disadvantage to their competitors. Just as Apple wouldn't try to force terms that raised their costs because it would put them at a disadvantage to their competitors.
Outside companies have no leverage in China. The day they do, is when they can go to other countries where labor is even cheaper.
>"Make sure the working conditions aren't as dangerous as they were in the USA around 1900."
And what if they are? Boycott? Don't do business there?
Your only leverage against China is not to do business there. The last two decades have proven that type of leverage ineffective at promoting Chinese labor reform. Going after companies like Apple will not affect the Chinese government.
I wonder how many of those workers in Apple's contract manufacturer think they are getting a raw deal.
Dave,
You're fighting a losing battle here. A sizable chunk of/. users are younger than 30 and have been inculcated in the American education system by teachers with a mostly "progressive" and leftist slant. They go college and it's worse.
You said it in one of your first comments, big corporations == evil. That's the hive mind position. No amount of facts or logic will convince these young revolutionaries that the vast amount of cheap labor jobs in countries like China are valued by the people that work them. It's easy to look at the "sweatshop" conditions without seeing the context: that for many, the alternatives, if there are any, are worse.
I applaud your efforts, and hope your karma doesn't suffer too much.
Republitard...that's a good one. Did you learn that in your sociopolitical college courses? Like a thirsty vampire you show your fangs once you've spotted the jugular.
Calm down labeltard, I'm not a republican. Smashing an intentional straw man down with ad hominem doesn't help your case.
>"violence is the last resort of the incompetent"
Again, your anti-war stripes show.
>"Now I realize that America will never stop going to war, it can't help it self."
Let me correct that for you, "Now I realize that humans will never stop going to war, they can't help themselves." I just used a simple cleaner to get rid of the irrational anti-Americanism. Read Chomsky much?
Islam is the major part of the problem with international Islamic terrorism. The lack of any central authority, literalism, and the violent examples of Muhammed mix together and align with anti-westernism to the peril of us all.
>"The USA is kills people in order to put down an insurgency by a population that does not want to live under it's rule. Just like Saddam."
You are not able to see the world of moral difference between the US being in Iraq and Saddam killing his own people.
>"I never said that. I simply said USA needs to take the credit for the massacres, the murders, the tortures done by itself."
Really. Let me guess what your idea is of "take credit for the massacres, the murders, the tortures done by itslef": never ever go to war.
Cause war never solved anything right? Well, except ending for ending slavery (in the west), stopping the Nazis, ending communism, ya war never solved anything.
That's a brilliant idea! I'm also very skeptical and placed a post on the forum enviting Evan to post a donations counter, an hourly/daily report, or at least $ to date.
One of the admins, Pandemic, reported getting 20,000+ unique visitors as of 6/8/06 7pm PST. You had estimated 2,000, putting the response at 10%. That's a very reasonable estimate. It could easily be double or triple that. Plus, how much is a ripe list of 20,000 email addresses worth these days?
It does seem like an awful lot of work to go through for only about 1 weeks salary. Plus, this kinda scam can only work once.
>"OK, now transpose that theoretical risk to the real-world and offer scenario's not involving social engineering (google is resistant to that, or we would have heard about it)"
How exactly is Google resistant to social engineering? If they employ humans I gaurantee they're just as susceptible as anyone else.
Because you are unaware of security failures at Google does not mean they haven't happened. In fact, sop for any counsel in such cases is to seek seels and gag-orders. I would guess that the ones you hear about represent a fraction of those you don't hear about.
"Sure you won the land fair and square. Now do the civilized thing and give those poeple full and fair rights and benefits just like all your other citizens."
Hundreds of thousands of Jews have been expelled from Arab states, the very same states who make a point of saying that peace in the ME is denied by Israel and at the same time will not allow any of those Palestinian refugees into their lands. And what are the actions those states take to help Jews and Palestinians achieve peace, they smuggle weapons and explosives into Israel and Palestine for use against the Israelis.
How many democracies are in the middle east? One: Israel.
How many countries in the middle east tolerate religious pluralism? One: Israel.
Israel isn't imperialistic. Imperialism means a country is gaining land, not giving it away.
What's in it for Israel to engage in "terrorism" against an already defeated people? How does the scorn of most the countries in the region help them?
Palestinians refuse to quit engaging the IDF and shooting rockets across the border and sending suicide killers into shops and buses. Why? Because of Islam and their inability to recognize defeat. They've been defeated, why not act like it?
The USA kills people in Iraq today because a murderous dictator decided to play a couple games of poker and hide & seek with the west using chemical and biological weapons.
"Oddly enough USA kills more people then the terrorists do."
Got a link for that?
"The west is responsible for it's own terrorism, murder, torture, massacres, occupation and apartheid."
Hmmm, I smell anti-Americanism. The USA is the root of all that's really evil in the world...blah...blah...blah. Wake me when you get a clue.
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Makes me think of the old game Ladder, platform jumper using all ascii. Played that one on a Kaypro.
He won't end up in Gitmo or with any fishees.
Go away spelling Nazi, I'm not showing you my papers.
In this case, the stupid rules and procedures were the ad hoc ones implemented by Mr. Colon. He illegally bypassed the established security rules and regulations in favor of ones he deemed more efficient. His transgression revealed only the stupidity of his personal rules, not those of the FBI.
Currently you are modded Flamebait, yet you are the one who accurately called the situation. Go figure!
Yea, because those have worked so well in the past.
Can I have a pink Pony.
I understand that the suspect's wi-fi access is not simply a one way direction of signal, that his computer and the store's are interacting. The store setup their computer to interact with other computers. They do not have the legal right to restrict that interaction past the boundary of their establishment. Have the courts ever recognized that right?
Pedantic factoiding is not deadpanning and isn't funny.
Perhaps the later affects the former?
Read and learn about turtles.
> I'd rather see America keep it's skilled workers employed with good jobs, and providing new ones for those in school. I want Americans getting richer, not multi-nationals and the thousand or so people at the very top. Alternatively I want to see people all over the world treated better and working in better, safer conditions, even if it costs Americans some of their wasteful, disposable lifestyle.
NeMon'ess, I agree completely. I just think you're trying to use a crowbar as a hammer. The right tool for reforming China's labor laws is not multinational corporations: it's the Chinese government, national groups, and outside human rights groups.
I think that the $2 extra spent on that t-shirt would be better spent by donating it to a group like Amnesty International. You're expediently using outside companies to put the pressure on China, when China has already demonstrated near-immunity from such business-based pressure.
That's because it's not their business. Businesses are in China to make stuff with cheap labor.
Chinese labor reform is the job of the Chinese government and Chinese organizations, not outside companies doing business in China.
> If Foxconn hired more workers...
Foxconn would never agree to Apple's terms, because it would put them at a disadvantage to their competitors. Just as Apple wouldn't try to force terms that raised their costs because it would put them at a disadvantage to their competitors.
Outside companies have no leverage in China. The day they do, is when they can go to other countries where labor is even cheaper.
And what if they are? Boycott? Don't do business there?
Your only leverage against China is not to do business there. The last two decades have proven that type of leverage ineffective at promoting Chinese labor reform. Going after companies like Apple will not affect the Chinese government.
I wonder how many of those workers in Apple's contract manufacturer think they are getting a raw deal.
You said it in one of your first comments, big corporations == evil. That's the hive mind position. No amount of facts or logic will convince these young revolutionaries that the vast amount of cheap labor jobs in countries like China are valued by the people that work them. It's easy to look at the "sweatshop" conditions without seeing the context: that for many, the alternatives, if there are any, are worse.
I applaud your efforts, and hope your karma doesn't suffer too much.
-d
Calm down labeltard, I'm not a republican. Smashing an intentional straw man down with ad hominem doesn't help your case.
>"violence is the last resort of the incompetent"
Again, your anti-war stripes show.
>"Now I realize that America will never stop going to war, it can't help it self."
Let me correct that for you, "Now I realize that humans will never stop going to war, they can't help themselves." I just used a simple cleaner to get rid of the irrational anti-Americanism. Read Chomsky much?
Islam is the major part of the problem with international Islamic terrorism. The lack of any central authority, literalism, and the violent examples of Muhammed mix together and align with anti-westernism to the peril of us all.
Intelligence != good social graces
Intelligence != interesting
Intelligence != wisdom
Smart people say & do stupid things all the time.
You are not able to see the world of moral difference between the US being in Iraq and Saddam killing his own people.
>"I never said that. I simply said USA needs to take the credit for the massacres, the murders, the tortures done by itself."
Really. Let me guess what your idea is of "take credit for the massacres, the murders, the tortures done by itslef": never ever go to war.
Cause war never solved anything right? Well, except ending for ending slavery (in the west), stopping the Nazis, ending communism, ya war never solved anything.
One of the admins, Pandemic, reported getting 20,000+ unique visitors as of 6/8/06 7pm PST. You had estimated 2,000, putting the response at 10%. That's a very reasonable estimate. It could easily be double or triple that. Plus, how much is a ripe list of 20,000 email addresses worth these days?
It does seem like an awful lot of work to go through for only about 1 weeks salary. Plus, this kinda scam can only work once.
How exactly is Google resistant to social engineering? If they employ humans I gaurantee they're just as susceptible as anyone else.
Because you are unaware of security failures at Google does not mean they haven't happened. In fact, sop for any counsel in such cases is to seek seels and gag-orders. I would guess that the ones you hear about represent a fraction of those you don't hear about.
Again, what's the official stance of Hamas? That's right: no recognition of Israel.
Hundreds of thousands of Jews have been expelled from Arab states, the very same states who make a point of saying that peace in the ME is denied by Israel and at the same time will not allow any of those Palestinian refugees into their lands. And what are the actions those states take to help Jews and Palestinians achieve peace, they smuggle weapons and explosives into Israel and Palestine for use against the Israelis.
How many democracies are in the middle east? One: Israel.
How many countries in the middle east tolerate religious pluralism? One: Israel.
Israel isn't imperialistic. Imperialism means a country is gaining land, not giving it away.
What's in it for Israel to engage in "terrorism" against an already defeated people? How does the scorn of most the countries in the region help them?
Palestinians refuse to quit engaging the IDF and shooting rockets across the border and sending suicide killers into shops and buses. Why? Because of Islam and their inability to recognize defeat. They've been defeated, why not act like it?
"Oddly enough USA kills more people then the terrorists do."
Got a link for that?
"The west is responsible for it's own terrorism, murder, torture, massacres, occupation and apartheid."
Hmmm, I smell anti-Americanism. The USA is the root of all that's really evil in the world...blah...blah...blah. Wake me when you get a clue.