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UK Gives Go-Ahead to Gary McKinnon Extradition
robzster1977 writes "Judges in the UK have given the go-ahead to the extradition of UK hacker Gary McKinnon. McKinnon is accused of breaking into US Navy, Army and Department of Defense computers in 2001 and 2002." From the article: "On 4 July the secretary of state signed an order for Mr McKinnon's extradition to the United States for charges connected with computer hacking. Mr McKinnon had exercised his right to submit representations against return but the secretary of state did not consider the issues raised availed Mr McKinnon."
Gotta wonder if he picked July 4th on purpose. :)
This is a real tragedy for those who believe in the freedom to break into the computer systems of foreign militaries looking for UFOs.
Whoever they are.
Hey, Gary.
Conjugal visits? Mmmm. Not that I know of. Y'know, minimum-security prison is no picnic. I have a client in there right now. He says the trick is: kick someone's ass the first day, or become someone's bitch. Then everything will be all right.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
One finds it hard to disagree with the judgement that a hacker who illegally breaks into someone's system should face jail time. Regardless of his supposed hunt (and his curiously as yet un-proven discovery) of UFO technology, or the dubious figures of damages the US government produced, what he did was wrong. The problem really lies in the way we in the UK have implemented extradition legislation to the US. Evidence is not required going one way - UK -> USA - but is the other, as congress has yet to ratify / pass the law. This seems remarkably un-fair on British citizens, and in this sense, you can understand his frustration - and that of others - note the so called Natwest 3 who appear to be heading off to western shores in the near future.
If they leave the big red button there with no security around it or guards, eventually someone is going to push it simply because they can. This guy could have actually been destructive, and took their network down. He didn't. spare me the "yadda yadda it was very serious" replies, anyone with a glint of technical knowledge knows it wasn't.
Hail the new american slogan, "It isn't fascism when we do it!"
I've seen this guy in interviews. A clever man, who obviously has a lot more to give to the world. Shame he's going to get disappeared.
...if it's the last time we haer of him.
1. No sig. 2. ???? 3. Profit!!!
What's the consensus on this board, guys? Will Mr. McKinnon receive a trial of comparable fairness in the US as in the UK? If found guilty, will his sentence be proportionate to his crime (the DoJ has indicted him on seven counts of computer fraud, each with a maximum of ten years imprisonment and a $250,000 fine)?
Gary McKinnon is another poor dumb son of a bitch. He may well be mentally ill. There's a saying among criminals, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. I think McKinnon will get eaten alive, served up as a reminder that big brother cuts you no slack when it comes to stealing their information.
Master criminals execute plans, most convicts commit crimes. Convicts get caught up in committing a crime, they're their own drug dealers and they're junkies. Their brains serve them up a high that comes from breaking the law. Convicts fill our prisons and take their cred from the hard time they do. McKinnon is his own junkie, a convict juiced on committing a crime. His delusions will probablly cost him his life whether he gets to go on living or not.
just my loose change
"Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
Cohen
Spare me the "hacking i OK if I ain't trying to break shit" bullshit.
Every hacker that has every been arrested has always claimed that he was only curious and looking around. Let me tell you something, if you walk into my front door, locked or not, that is still trespass, I don't care if you just wanted to get a look at my collection of potato chips resembling presidents.
This isn't a witch hunt. If you even use a phrase like "I broke in", then you know what side of the law that you are on. These guys are just angry because they know they are criminals, they got caught, and now they are facing the full force of the law. When are all of the Mitnick humpers going to get a clue and maybe not do things tha are illegal?
An interesting coincidence: notice it begins with "first they came for the communists". Not "first they came for the people who committed breaking and entering".
By injecting your quote here, and implying the extradition of Gary McKinnon is as worthy of concern as the various groups the Nazis quietly carted off, you are equating being a member of an unpopular religious, racial or political minority with simply breaking petty laws (like computer hacking laws). And by doing so, you are implicitly making the point of certain persons who think that arabs need to be shipped off to prison in Cuba because they are "criminals". Gee, great! Condoleeza Rice thanks you.
Meanwhile, tomorrow, somewhere in America, some kid is going to try to shoplift from a Wal-Mart, a security camera or rent-a-cop is going to catch him, and he will get arrested. For some reason, as he gets hauled off to Juvy, no blogger will be standing there to recite the "first they came for the"... quote in his memory. Wonder why.
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I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Great to see the UK judiciary bending-over for a foreign power. Maybe there's a some sort of medal in it for you too?
McKinnon committed a crime here too and, as a UK citizen, he should be tried here. Of course, the USUK 'special relationship' is the most important factor here so the extradition order was signed without so much as a second glance.
"Britons never shall be slaves?"
Not in this day and age.
if you don't continually ask for him.
"I've seen this guy in interviews. A clever man, who obviously has a lot more to give to the world. Shame he's going to get disappeared."
I can't wait to see his American lawyer claim that he didn't understand what he was doing -- how was he to know that the defense computers were actually defence computers? How could he realize that his behavior was bad behaviour? After that, you can only hope that the court will table the claims...
Bit of a worry really. McKinnon is a British subject, found guilty of a crime against nationals of a foreign country. Why is he being extradited rather than sentenced and imprisoned in the UK?
Another case is Richard Read - the "shoe bomber" from a few years back. He was a British subject (admittedly they didn't want him) and is held prisoner somewhere in the US (or you-know-where in Cuba).
Does holding a passport, or nationality mean nothing? No matter what your nationality when you do a crime against the US, they get to do what they want with you.
"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
He'll hack into the legal system and delete the extradition order.
Spare me the "hacking i OK if I ain't trying to break shit" bullshit.
This is about someone being condemned unfairly to set a public example. Sort of what the RIAA does with "OMG the evil pirate filesharers!".
Because if you STILL believe there's justice in the USA, you might as well believe in spaceships from another planet. The USA should be treated like a dictatorship where human rights CONTINUE to be abused systematically.
Want an example? The NSA spying on the citizens. Curiously, it could be ALSO interpreted as "hacking" AT&T users. Are the guys who ordered wiretapping in jail? No, they aren't.
Justice, yeah right.
That's it! As long as the economic controls are more akin to monkeys hitting buttons, they can't call us fascists! You, dear Mr. Thered, deserves an Iron Cross. I mean, a Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
Think what it must be like to be him. Awful.
If I was him I'd want people to ask the government official concerned to overturn the ruling and not extradite him. E-mail: public.enquiries@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
that gives their citizen away to an other country, whatever the charges are.
This man, however guilty, sick, or whatever his problem is, should be sentenced in the UK.
This is my personal viewpoint so if you do not agree, you are free to disagree....
First, if this guy was going to Guantanamo Bay, he'd already be there. You can tell that he is not going there because this is being handled publically in civil courts. He is going to have a public trial before a regularly constituted court, and if convicted he will go to a civilian federal prison.
Secondly, you obviously have no idea of what constitutes fascism as a political and economic ideology, please read up on it here.
Third, can you please tone down the knee-jerk anti-americanism is regards to random subjects that have nothing to do with its foreign policy?
Thank you
He didn't break any UK laws - so why would UK courts punish him?
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When a cop, dressed like a hooker, comes up to you and says, "Two hundred for the night", and you try to haggle, that is entrapment.
Do you see the critical difference?
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
Considering that I was more making the comment that the 'belligerent nationalism' and 'social control' seemed to be some politicians goal of late, and yet the idea of economic controls in an anathema to the Republican party, your response is a bit overdone. But, like you said, this is slashdot, so go ahead and take everything personal.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
The US throws its weight arround. Leans on other nations to get her way. It isn't right, and as an American citizen it disgusts me. Like how we lean on other nations to move their policies closer in alignment with our own.
Why do they do it? Fear and Greed. As the US economy dwindles, the greed will be less...and perhaps as other nations ramp up their offensive capabilities...fear will be less.
And cue the tools who will call me an idiot because these policies 'keep me safe'. No thanks...I think these policies are increasing my risks.
Perhaps effecting regime change through financing rebel groups in Afghanistan wasn't such a bright idea, eh? Do you think the ill-fated incursions into Panama might be part of why South America is so distrustful? The only reason Columbia did anything about cocaine was the tons of money shipped their way...
US out of everywhere damnit. Let us fix our own problems. If external troubles come to us, we will respond. This pre-emptive bullshit is not working.
Blar.
>One finds it hard to disagree with the judgement that a hacker who illegally breaks into someone's system should face jail time.
Shouldn't that depend on how much damage the person did and what their intent was, just like it does for illegal entry in meatspace? It's a non-violent crime and a non-prison sentence might make sense. Trials are for answering questions like that.
If the goal were a fair trial, this twit could have been left in the UK to face the perfectly adequate courts there.
You do realize that if McKinnon had hacked French computers, the French would have extradited him in exactly the same manner?
In addition, there has been at least one case in the past few years where the UK extradited an American to face trial in the UK?
Most of the countries in the world have extradition treaties with each other. What "special relationship" do you think is needed?
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We know that under Tony, the UK is the US's lapdog. See how they bent over backwards and forwards for Georgie during the Iraq war. Whatever the US wants, the UK will do for them, it ain't gonna be any other way. Bunch of spineless bureaucrats. Why can't they, for once, stand up and say "no", Gary will be tried and prosecuted right here in the UK?
Great to see the UK judiciary bending-over for a foreign power.
Would you say that the Spanish government was "bending over" for the UK in this case?
How about the Nigerians? Are you ashamed to make them bend over?
Perhaps the Italians are feeling bent over by the UK?
Or, perhaps the Germans, when they extradited a former US Marine to the UK?
One is tempted to think that you are, perhaps, exhibiting selective distaste for extradition when it suits your purely political posturing?
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Extra, extra, breaking news. 'The plane in which Gary McKinnon was being extradited to the United States, vanished suddenly from the sky and literally became invisible to the US military high-precision radars. Rumours indicate possible abduction by poonies UFO. A reporter from CRAP TV comments: "Now it's not about keeping the soap up, they may do sexual experiments with human subjects!". US military and government declined to comment. Conspiracy theory talibans suspect on a US top-secret experment involving UFO technology "They want to know if McKinnon found evidence of pornography consumption in the Whitehouse", some argue. Is this the end of the world or it's just McKinnon's blackhole getting bigger, crunching the world for mayhem and destruction? Stay on the line, things are about to get ugly, dudes. The Lone Gunmen informed.'
If he was a US citizen he'd probably be suing Chris Carter by now for making him believe in UFOs...
And they wouldn't be wrong about something like the International Court System now would they?
Glad to know that Brit citizenship is worth no more than loo paper if the Americans want his
arse. Does this mean that when old nole Tony Blair quits number ten, George Bush will send
his flunky Dick Cheney to do his bidding from there and hold England in thrall just like 'e
holds the American oil industry. Maybe 'cuz Dick' should be coronated as 'King Richard V and
hand over our North Sea oil claims to the Yanks. Course that would'nt be the first Cheney
to have a hand in the government. The Cheney family supplied whores to British Kings for centuries.
Don't believe me! Look it up! Rootsweb, Cindy's list and many other genealogical sites have data on this old family that came over with Dick the Conqueror in 1066 and stayed like the odor
of a dead fish........kinda like a Dick Cheney handshake.
The damage is probably pretty accurate. It might seem to you that if nothing were changed, then no harm done. I'd urge you to make that your corporate policy when any sort of break in, be it physical or electronic occurs. The fact is that any breach needs to be investigated, and every system auditted to ensure that nothing was put in place. I'd imagine that some systems were restored from a backup. All of that costs man power, down time, and lost data.
I have two things to say: this guy should get a jury trial, and not by american citizens, to influenced by this propaganda, but by UK citizens. And also, how do we know he hacked into the systems for UFO information? How do we know, he didn't really hack it for top secret, world changing plan, and conscpiracy evidence? How do we know, the government didn't strike a deal with him, and force him to say he was searching for "ufo" evidence, and as I just said, how do we know he is not saying this, when he may indeed know some very scary happenings, and secrets, about our own government? America's government, is tightening it's grip on all english speaking countries, including Australia, because it thinks it's citizens are to dumb to not know other languages (I don't), and the majority won't do learn any. This is all part of the corporations push to turn america into a dictatorship, and cause extreme punishments for computer crimes, like pirating. They attack the two nearest and most obvious sources of pirated material, australia, and the UK, the UK is close enough that we don't have a massive ping, not to mention they speak english. THe USA's crushing leverage on other countries, is just one big push to control it's own citizens.
Last I heard, we don't put Big Red Buttons, IE very important functions, accessable to the internet, where it can be broken into, not matter how much you try and prevent it. Come on people, do you really think our government would put top secret information on computers that could access the internet? Do you really think this guy got into anything, that was really important?
There is another reason we punish those who commit crimes: it is part of the contract between us and authority. We know the rules, we know the consequences of keeping and breaking the rules, and when someone breaks a rule, we all expect some sort of consequence. It is a contract we have with those in authority over us. So, in part, the punishment is not necessarily to discourage crime, but also to encourage those who obey the laws.
Some say that punishment doesn't discourage crime, but I think it does. We just don't see it because it happens so quietly. The law-abiding citizens stay that way, for the most part. Where the justice system starts to break down and you have a lawless society, you also have a crime-ridden society. I suppose if you have no laws, you can have no crime, but I hope you know what I'm trying to say.
I cried real tears when Li Mu Bai died.
damaged by dogma
Only it's not a very grave crime, is it? I like the potato chip analogy - he did look at military potato chips, though, which most people would know is considered more naughty by most countries. I hope his counsel is good and makes sure the sentence fits the crime. I don't like it when somebody hacks my computer, it makes me angry. I'd want to be able to tell them how angry I was. I hope the judge stops there, and marks McKinnon's card, maybe wastes some of McKinnon's time and money. I think a custodial sentence would be harsh, but then, he didn't break my rules. And like others have pointed out here, you have to play by the local rules. I get the impression the USA isn't the worst place to be extradited to. At least they're doing it in public this time!
It's going to hurt a bit Gary, but you have been a naughty boy.
When you voted for Tony Blair you voted for George W. Bush. Simple as that.
You want to know where your nationality went? Well, you sold it. Or the Labour party did anyway. For some reason they're allowed to do that. And as long as they stay in, you're going to become just another American colony more and more each day...
We give you UK citizens from Guantanamo and you give us McKinnon.
It's really not personal.
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There is an argumenent in the UK at the moment about deporting and extraditing people to nations who have poor human rights records. I think a nation who imprisons people without trial and without legal representation is a perfect example. Step forward the land of the (mostly) free.
McKinnon was originally tracked down and arrested under the Computer Misuse Act by the UK National Hi-Tech Crime Unit (NHTCU) in 2002 who informed him that he would face community service. The UK prosecution service refused to charge him.
So clearly British law enforcement thought his crime was utterly trivial. Yet as soon as the Americans get involved... bam! Extradition and possibly 70 years in jail. Would someone get 70 years in jail for murder in the US (in a state without the death penalty, of course)? Even if they murdered the President?
I'm sickened by the fact that the current US administration has gone mad with power and does whatever it wants to anybody it feels like, just because it can. I'm more sickened by the fact that the UK government happily submits to every single demand Bush and co make of it. And I had such high hopes for Labour back in 1997. Serves me right for believing that politicians could be anything but scumbags, I guess.
You must think in Russian.
But this was more than that. This would be more a case like:
Let's say I live in a small town. We are, perhaps, overly trusting. Not only do we not lock our doors, we actually often leave them open. At this point I'd note there are actually places like this in the US, though they are rare. So some guy from out of town comes in. He starts walking in to all the houses, rifling through photos, personal effects, etc. He goes from house to house doing this, until he gets caught.
I'd want that asshole to go to jail for quite some time. It's clear he has no respect for other people's property and thinks he should be allowed to do whatever he can get away with. While one count of tresspass or burglary would only get him a little time, he'd be facing multiple counts.
Same thing here. Also please note the difference between maximum sentence.
Oh and please, get off the "civilised nation" bullshit. Yes, yes, I'm sure you love to think your country is a wonderful place that never commits any wrongs and hate on the evil Americans. News flash: All countries do bad things. Take a country, and with a little digging you'll find wrongs they've comitted and receantly. Go back even just 60-70 years, still well after things were "civilised" and you can find some doozies. The victors in WWII may have been the good guys, but make no mistake they were ruthless.
So please, get off the high horse. Is the GTMO prison bad? Yep. Contrary to US law? Sure looks that way. End of US civilization? Hell no. Be glad, too, you wouldn't want to see the world if the US was a real dictatorship. A single bad act doens't make a nation uncivilised. The US has done worse in the past, and I'll bet will do worse in the future.
The US is using a treaty that was put in place to fight terrorists.
The current goverment, always all so happy to oblige to the desires of the US administration, ratified this treaty without waiting for the more complicated US procedure. As things stand now the same treaty can't be applied tu US citizens. So in fact US hackers are free to do the same to UK based computers and they will live happily ever after to tell the tale.
And there is also the situation in which people allegedly commiting a crime in UK soil are not judged first there. Natural justice dictates that the local judicial system has always a first go at somebedoy accussed of commiting a crime, but the UK crown prosecution service is not even attempting to bring any charges (i.e. is ignoring that offences may have been commited in UK soil) in order to expedite the extradition procedures. This is scandalous.
The UK did it for Pinochet, unilaterally deciding that he was not fit to stand trial in Spain form his genocidial crimes that included Spanish citizens, but they can't do it for their own citizens (this is not the only case) when the US is the country requesting the extradition.
Extradition treaties with other countries are reciprocal, thus nobody is infurated when they are used to prosecute alleged criminals to answer for their actions in the country where they may have commited an offence.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Being a foriegn citizen isn't a "get out of jail free" card, only diplomatic status is that. If you commit a crime on foriegn soil, you are subject to their laws. Your passport warns you of that. Now if it's a nation with particularly harsh laws, or one who's laws don't match your nation, your nation may try to get your freed. However if they can't, well tough luck.
Ok so this case is a little different in that the crime was commited while in the UK, against the US. Well that's what we have extradition treaties for. If you commit a crime and then flee, or if you commit a crime remotely, you are not immune from prosecution in most cases. Most countries have extradition treaties with each other. One asks the other to arrest and extradite the person in question. The parent country checks to make sure things are in order, then it happens.
Same thing would work in reverse. If a US businessman defrauded UK citizens, he couldn't hide in America. He wouldn't be charged there, because the courts don't have jursdication (they have jursdiction only over crimes that happen in their area). However the UK would have him extradited, and then try him in the court with correct jursdication.
It even happens in the US itself. If you hack a server in Arizona form New York and are charged, it'll be in an Arizona court. You will be extradited to Arizona (the process is much simplified within the states) and tried and improsioned there if convicted. NY courts aren't going to charge you because they lack jursdication, but you can't hide just because you are in another state.
This kind of thing happens ALL the time. If you look through the list of comments, there are some linking to receant UK extraditions (meaning the UK requesting peopel be sent to the UK to face charges). The only reason there's any hue and cry here is because it's a computer crime. For some reason, a significant part of Slashdot readers have the view that if you can do something on a computer, it should be legal. That's not how it works, actually, even if something is extremely insecure it's illegal to break in to. However they don't understand that, hence the case is getting lots of attention.
While, perhaps, the US is making a bigger deal of this crime than they should, the proceedings are nothing out of the ordinary. You don't really want a world where people can commit crimes and then just hide in their native country from prosecution.
You guys in the UK really believe this tripe about special relationship (I have never heard this sentence used by the US president, most likley it is a New Labour mantra concoted by Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson).
Once and again your citizens are treated like dirt by the US judicial system, but you guys, stiff upper lift and all, keep asking for more of it (or at least your PM does).
Ask us, we know how it is to deal with the USians, this is summarized in a very popular Mexican saying "Poor Mexico! So far from God, and so close to the US!)"
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I shouldn't be, as this Government has been the bitch of Dubya since he hit office.
I tried getting the email address of the Home Secretary, John Reid, but all I can find is this:
public.enquiries@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
I'm mailing them to ask why they consider McKinnon suitable for extradition given that the US has a poor human rights record and there is no guarantee of a fair trial. Anyone else?
He's such a dumb bastard that he wouldn't be able to READ an email! Anyhow, the Home Office is "unfit for purpose" and probably wouldn't pass on the message anyway.
You need to try snailmail - a hardcopy letter will possibly get at least as far as his private secretary....
The Rt Hon. John Reid, Home Secretary.
The Home Office,
50 Queen Anne's Gate,
London
SW1H 9AT
You could also try emailing Tony
http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/page821.asp
If you're trying to prove to me that reality is singular, then there is otherness. Communication presupposes otherness and medium, or else it isn't communication, it's a monologue.
BTW. If there is no other, then reality is trivially singular; I'm taking on physical relativism, not solipsism.
Wikileaks, no DNS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_subject
If a square is really a rhombus, why aren't all triangles purple?
Now can I demand all USA spammers be sent over and stuck in some piss-ant hole.
Would seem only fair.
Though the USA doing this over this case, well can imagine that its going to cause more problems than they ever had. Pissing into the wind here.
The fat lady hasn't finished singing yet. McKinnon now has 14 days in which to appeal the decision in the UK High Court, which has never yet been afraid to overturn the decisions of politicians.
Laws like this are very dangerous things.
I am in favour of giving the benefit of the doubt to someone acting to defend their own home or those within it, where their actions are likely to have seemed reasonable to them at the time. However, IMHO this is one of the standard examples of why blanket laws are not a good idea.
The unknown person could have been unaware that they were somewhere they shouldn't be. They could have a mental illness, or be drunk or drugged, possibly as a result of the actions of others and without realising it. They could be in serious trouble, and trying to find help. Maybe they just made an honest mistake; have you never been in an appartment block/hotel/whatever and almost walked through the wrong identical-looking door? Perhaps the unknown person is even there deliberately for a good reason. Someone might have called in a medical emergency, and the ambulance crew is trying to find the casualty.
Of course you'd think someone with a sensible reason to be there - the girl running from the men who tried to grab her, or the paramedics looking for a casualty, say - would announce themselves and try to attract the attention of anyone whose home it might be. Maybe they did, and you just didn't hear them because of the shoot-out on TV when they knocked.
My point is simply that just because someone is on your property, they haven't automatically committed a crime serious enough to merit shooting them dead. If you're woken in the middle of the night by the sound of someone breaking your window and climbing into your home, and you have no reasonable opportunity to challenge them without endangering yourself or others, then giving you the benefit might be reasonable. If emergency services responding to call bang on your door, you don't answer because you don't hear them, and they then break the door down to try to reach a casualty, then seeing who they are and shooting them anyway is not reasonable.
At the risk of stretching an analogy too far, the case at hand here is closer to the case where someone breaks into your home, you noticing them as they leave and making a citizen's arrest at gunpoint, and them immediately surrendering. Do you think it's reasonable to shoot someone at that point, or would that just be the prejudice of someone who's been had and wants revenge? Which is more in the interests of justice?
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Gary also has a few days to 'hide'
Gary if you are reading this, mail me, i can arrange a new life away from 'civilisation' and thier 'laws'
No way i or anyone i care about is going to f*cking jail based on your laws
I posted.
I had assumed that the treaty wasn't in force since the US hadn't ratified it.
Clear, Dark Skies
The US, in its case for extradition, said Mr McKinnon caused more than $700,000 £375,235 worth of damage.
US prosecutors claim he caused $700,000 £375,000 worth of damage.
Gary McKinnon, 40, is accused of causing damage to 97 US government computers estimated at £370,000. - Feb 2006
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I've had some overly fishy-tasting caviar in my day, but death roe must be awful. You'd think he would just spit the little eggs out rather than repeatedly ingesting them as suggested by your saying he's "on death roe."
I can understand misspelling Guantanamo as it's not an English word, but you managed to bumblefuck a 3-letter word.
I'll be your candy shop of infinite deliciousity if you'll be my discotheque of endless rump-shaking.
Wikileaks, no DNS
They would not extradite the mass murderer Pinochet, but that hacker gets sent back.
Any body who truly believes that McKinnon will get 70 years in prison, is just not using the 'little grey cells'. Yes, he needs to extradited in order that the US can hold their head up, and say they 'did something' to stop people from breaking into national security. It scared the crap out of the 'Nanny' when she was held responsible for shaken baby syndrome. I'm sure it scared alot of other UK nannies away from the US, and those brave enough to still watch US tykes, will certainly be more mindful. The point of the extradition as I see it, is just to make an example of McKinnon, to let others know that US will not put up with hackers. As for a prison sentance, he will most likely make a deal with US government to teach them how NOT TO GET HACKED and not serve any time at all! Anyone who's ever watch Law and Order knows it's all about the 'deals'.