It's the same thing that crippled DAT and the minidisk. The industry does not want a bunch of independant music producers out there. First, it diminishes the value of their product by elininating their artificial shortages. Second, it takes away industry control of what gets produced and distributed. It's very logical. They might release a "pro" version for another $1500 usd. That's how it worked for DAT and the minidisk. Gotta keep that barrier high. The "piracy" spin is to get us to go along and keep on buying. This whole copyright(all IP actually) thing is going to keep us in the technological dark ages for a long time.
Put your faith in your CC company and their fraud prevention.
Oh yeah. That makes me feel a whole lot safer. Maybe Paymaxx and Choice(what?) are even more trustworthy. I'll put my faith in the wad of cash I have in the safe, thanks. If I need something from the net, I'll call a friend and let him use his card. When we can use phone cards to make payments, I might pick up some of that faith. That way no ID thief that can mess with my (no)credit rating.
There you all go AGAIN! Trying to blame someone else. I got news for you. YOU made this government what it is today. Yeah, YOU! YOU gave up the power! So quit your bellyachin'! If you continue to believe in your system, then you know that this is YOUR gornment. So fix it, dammit! God! All of you need to whacked on the head with a fire extinguisher!
going to kill what started out as a hobby and could just as easily dissolve back into a hobbist's system? Outlaw tinkering? The only way I know of is to outlaw computers. So Linux never reaches the mainstream. Big deal. Let the users have Micrososft, and we can continue having fun making our computers do what the authorities don't want you to do. Screw 'em. Just reverse enginner the hardware and make our own drivers. Upload them anonymously and let them try to sue. Like tell me that's not already happening.
How did we let the entertainment industry get away with this?
Oh, I don't know. I kind of remember at the time that these laws were being written and passed, most of the general public's and mass media's(I think you call it "mainstream" media now) attention were being diverted by some girl and some kind of mixup she had with the CIC of the country at the time. I can't remember her name exactly. I think her initials were M.L.
Is that such a bad place to start? If I recall, it also shows some tweaks. It helps to show the truth about computers...That underneath the desktop, it's not so pretty. That it has to be told how to do every single little thing. It's a tiny peek into the operating room. It shows you how to configue some of your hardware. That helps to give a better understanding of how it works. If it scares them away, then it wasn't their calling. And you are "make installing" lots of compilers and interpreters and whatnot to learn how to write your own programs. If you want to learn about computers and what actually makes them work, then I tend to believe this a good way to test the waters. All this GUI stuff just teaches you how to point and click and save and other uses of programs you need to use for your line of work. Which is ok. I was under the impression that computer labs were used to teach the making of programs and GUI's, not just using them. Besides LFS also teaches you about chroot... and the importance of backing up your data:-)
That's all well and good if all they need to learn is Office or Windows security, but if you want to learn about computers, I would think Linux might be better suited. It seems that with Linux, you can interact with the computer on a more basic(excuse the pun) level.
Personally I would like them to start with Linux From Scratch. After all, aren't they here to learn about computers? What could be more educational than "building" your own OS? In fact, a short course in basic electronics should be included also. It would help to make the whole binary thing a bit more understandable.
If the rich guy doesn't get the vote, he doesn't get in. It's that simple. We created the system. It is indeed OUR fault. It's OUR fault for voting for the rich guy. It's OUR fault when he wins the primary, and then it's OUR fault when he wins the election. There's absolutely nobody to blame but the guy in the mirror. If all it takes is money to win an election, then blame the voter for being a sucker, because that is what he is.
This isn't about the rights and privacy of consumers or citizens. It's about protecting the interests of our great institutions of government and business from the citizens. This is the perfect person for the job. He will collect information for the government and for Gat..I mean Claria. Anyone who thinks this is to protect the rights and privacy of consumers or citizens is deluded and naive.
The FCC is Out-of-Bounds in anything that's not related to technical standards. That is supposed to be their only function. Content is none of their business, and this is a content issue. The only person deiciding what content is to be seen on the TV is the person with the remote control(or for geriatric among us, the first guy to get their hand on the tuner knob).
Funny that you talk about slavery. IP is slavery. It's ownership of something you have no right to own. You want your information to be your slave to benefit nobody else unless they pay you. You can get paid for your work by making a contract. When you get paid, you should completely forget about it. Your desire for control is the real slavery here. Nobody wants you to give your work away against your will. That's just the strawman that all of you like to throw out to confuse the arguement. I just think you should work under the same conditions that I do. I get paid for work performed. I don't get any special entitlements for the next 75 years. After which the buyer is free to do with it whatever he/she wants to do. Why should you be granted any special privileges? Are you claiming that you should get these because of your creative "genius"? Sounds pretty arrogant to me, and gives some backing to the backlash against "intelligencia" that some countries suffer from. It's no wonder we won't elect qualified poeple to office. The eggheads among us are just too arrogant. Your claim to ownership comes from government edict. It is NOT derived from any natural or inalienable right. And yes, it is our culture. The producers are just (mis?)appropriating it for profit. All well and good. They're wecome to it, but they(the producers) do not own it in any way. They deserve no exclusivity.
It is the thieves that feel it is thier right to steal from people just because they can that have brought this onerrous situation upon us.
Don't try to blame people who like to share. The people who think they have a right to control what we see and hear, and claim ownership of things they can't really own are the real thieves. IP is government authorized thievery. It robs the public to benefit a few. The "innovation" spin is a LIE! Artists don't need IP to make a living, and people who buy other people's IP "rights" are buying stolen property. The whole concept is despicable(as bad as real estate speculation). As for this guy, he can buy a brand new Betamax.
They've had it at Cape Canaveral for years. Without having to spend half a day searching on Google, how much pollution is produced by extracting hydrogen from natural gas as opposed to simply burning it in your car? I don't get it. We could have really good hybrids with Stirling engine generators that can burn anything you can lay your hands on, and probably do it cleanly. This whole hydrogen thing looks like another case of oil industry featherbedding to me. Handling flammable liquids is bad enough. Now we have to do it under thousands of pounds of pressure? This will make the Ford Pinto look like a cheap firecracker. Maybe it's me, but until we have tranporters(the beam me up, Scotty. kind), we probably should leave transportation up to the professionals. It would save lots of lives. I kind of like just being able to hop on a bus or train and let them do the driving. At least that way, nobody will ever be able to blame me for causing a wreck. And if you're in the states, you have the benefit of being able to sue if anything happens.
With the kind of accounts that HSBC operates, they won't miss us one bit. This is a giant, worldwide corporate bank that's just trying to snag few "personal" accounts as well, but believe me, they don't need us. So they will continue to attempt to break into your browser. I consider them as bad as Citibank. They took over one of our national banks here, and the customer service went to hell real quick(not that it was ever very good.). Unless you have 50 gazillion rubles in there, it's a complete waste of time to complain about it.
I would like to add that even when somebody misappropriates(?) the GPL, they're not taking anything away from us. We are still able to use and share the code. They can't prevent us from doing that. And as far as I'm concerned any program that the uses GPL contrary to the license just became GPL'd and can be shared like the rest. I don't see a lot of complaints about GPL "theft" here, except when the pro-copyrighters attempt to find some kind of hypocrisy in the anti-copyrighters arguement. I think it's called strawman.?
Modded Interesting...Yes...Veerrry iinnteresting...but shtupid! In other words can the lecture, all right? We'll solve the world's problems tomorrow. I'll fire up my "Solvetheworldsproblems@home... when I'm done making some popcorn..er..coffee. Sheeesh. What a downer. So you think that this guy represents the entire computer engineering population? Should we all quit our jobs to devote all our time "solving the world's problems"? Besides, you got it wrong. He's using to roast coffee. Big difference. Maybe the world needs a computer controlled coffee maker. How do you know it doesn't? See? He solved a problem. Good coffee for all, AND he saved a computer from the land fill. So he solved TWO problems(the second one being quite valid). How many have you solved?
Oh come on. If people stop breaking the law voluntarily, they would just have to make more laws. How else is government going to get much needed funding? How else can we keep our prisons full if everybody is obeying the law? What are you trying to do? Cause economic chaos and meyhem? This would create a depression like no other. Whole industries would go bankrupt.
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It's the same thing that crippled DAT and the minidisk. The industry does not want a bunch of independant music producers out there. First, it diminishes the value of their product by elininating their artificial shortages. Second, it takes away industry control of what gets produced and distributed. It's very logical. They might release a "pro" version for another $1500 usd. That's how it worked for DAT and the minidisk. Gotta keep that barrier high. The "piracy" spin is to get us to go along and keep on buying. This whole copyright(all IP actually) thing is going to keep us in the technological dark ages for a long time.
Put your faith in your CC company and their fraud prevention.
Oh yeah. That makes me feel a whole lot safer. Maybe Paymaxx and Choice(what?) are even more trustworthy. I'll put my faith in the wad of cash I have in the safe, thanks. If I need something from the net, I'll call a friend and let him use his card. When we can use phone cards to make payments, I might pick up some of that faith. That way no ID thief that can mess with my (no)credit rating.
...is the fault of the government...
There you all go AGAIN! Trying to blame someone else. I got news for you. YOU made this government what it is today. Yeah, YOU! YOU gave up the power! So quit your bellyachin'! If you continue to believe in your system, then you know that this is YOUR gornment. So fix it, dammit! God! All of you need to whacked on the head with a fire extinguisher!
going to kill what started out as a hobby and could just as easily dissolve back into a hobbist's system? Outlaw tinkering? The only way I know of is to outlaw computers. So Linux never reaches the mainstream. Big deal. Let the users have Micrososft, and we can continue having fun making our computers do what the authorities don't want you to do. Screw 'em. Just reverse enginner the hardware and make our own drivers. Upload them anonymously and let them try to sue. Like tell me that's not already happening.
The federal government.
And who gave them the authority?
Hint: It's something you always have with you. You see him every day in the mirror.
dumb? Not to the lwayers involved... They're probably thinking sarcastly, "This is just tooo rich! Does it get any better than this?"
How did we let the entertainment industry get away with this?
Oh, I don't know. I kind of remember at the time that these laws were being written and passed, most of the general public's and mass media's(I think you call it "mainstream" media now) attention were being diverted by some girl and some kind of mixup she had with the CIC of the country at the time. I can't remember her name exactly. I think her initials were M.L.
Is that such a bad place to start? If I recall, it also shows some tweaks. It helps to show the truth about computers...That underneath the desktop, it's not so pretty. That it has to be told how to do every single little thing. It's a tiny peek into the operating room. It shows you how to configue some of your hardware. That helps to give a better understanding of how it works. If it scares them away, then it wasn't their calling. And you are "make installing" lots of compilers and interpreters and whatnot to learn how to write your own programs. If you want to learn about computers and what actually makes them work, then I tend to believe this a good way to test the waters. All this GUI stuff just teaches you how to point and click and save and other uses of programs you need to use for your line of work. Which is ok. I was under the impression that computer labs were used to teach the making of programs and GUI's, not just using them. Besides LFS also teaches you about chroot... and the importance of backing up your data :-)
That's all well and good if all they need to learn is Office or Windows security, but if you want to learn about computers, I would think Linux might be better suited. It seems that with Linux, you can interact with the computer on a more basic(excuse the pun) level.
Personally I would like them to start with Linux From Scratch. After all, aren't they here to learn about computers? What could be more educational than "building" your own OS? In fact, a short course in basic electronics should be included also. It would help to make the whole binary thing a bit more understandable.
If the rich guy doesn't get the vote, he doesn't get in. It's that simple. We created the system. It is indeed OUR fault. It's OUR fault for voting for the rich guy. It's OUR fault when he wins the primary, and then it's OUR fault when he wins the election. There's absolutely nobody to blame but the guy in the mirror. If all it takes is money to win an election, then blame the voter for being a sucker, because that is what he is.
This isn't about the rights and privacy of consumers or citizens. It's about protecting the interests of our great institutions of government and business from the citizens. This is the perfect person for the job. He will collect information for the government and for Gat..I mean Claria. Anyone who thinks this is to protect the rights and privacy of consumers or citizens is deluded and naive.
I think this might apply here also.
His publisher made him do it.
The FCC is Out-of-Bounds in anything that's not related to technical standards. That is supposed to be their only function. Content is none of their business, and this is a content issue. The only person deiciding what content is to be seen on the TV is the person with the remote control(or for geriatric among us, the first guy to get their hand on the tuner knob).
And aside from gas and oil, the only other thing the system produces otherwise is sterile water.
The thing will never get off the ground unless it produces some money.
Funny that you talk about slavery. IP is slavery. It's ownership of something you have no right to own. You want your information to be your slave to benefit nobody else unless they pay you. You can get paid for your work by making a contract. When you get paid, you should completely forget about it. Your desire for control is the real slavery here. Nobody wants you to give your work away against your will. That's just the strawman that all of you like to throw out to confuse the arguement. I just think you should work under the same conditions that I do. I get paid for work performed. I don't get any special entitlements for the next 75 years. After which the buyer is free to do with it whatever he/she wants to do. Why should you be granted any special privileges? Are you claiming that you should get these because of your creative "genius"? Sounds pretty arrogant to me, and gives some backing to the backlash against "intelligencia" that some countries suffer from. It's no wonder we won't elect qualified poeple to office. The eggheads among us are just too arrogant. Your claim to ownership comes from government edict. It is NOT derived from any natural or inalienable right. And yes, it is our culture. The producers are just (mis?)appropriating it for profit. All well and good. They're wecome to it, but they(the producers) do not own it in any way. They deserve no exclusivity.
It is the thieves that feel it is thier right to steal from people just because they can that have brought this onerrous situation upon us.
Don't try to blame people who like to share. The people who think they have a right to control what we see and hear, and claim ownership of things they can't really own are the real thieves. IP is government authorized thievery. It robs the public to benefit a few. The "innovation" spin is a LIE! Artists don't need IP to make a living, and people who buy other people's IP "rights" are buying stolen property. The whole concept is despicable(as bad as real estate speculation). As for this guy, he can buy a brand new Betamax.
They've had it at Cape Canaveral for years. Without having to spend half a day searching on Google, how much pollution is produced by extracting hydrogen from natural gas as opposed to simply burning it in your car? I don't get it. We could have really good hybrids with Stirling engine generators that can burn anything you can lay your hands on, and probably do it cleanly. This whole hydrogen thing looks like another case of oil industry featherbedding to me. Handling flammable liquids is bad enough. Now we have to do it under thousands of pounds of pressure? This will make the Ford Pinto look like a cheap firecracker. Maybe it's me, but until we have tranporters(the beam me up, Scotty. kind), we probably should leave transportation up to the professionals. It would save lots of lives. I kind of like just being able to hop on a bus or train and let them do the driving. At least that way, nobody will ever be able to blame me for causing a wreck. And if you're in the states, you have the benefit of being able to sue if anything happens.
With the kind of accounts that HSBC operates, they won't miss us one bit. This is a giant, worldwide corporate bank that's just trying to snag few "personal" accounts as well, but believe me, they don't need us. So they will continue to attempt to break into your browser. I consider them as bad as Citibank. They took over one of our national banks here, and the customer service went to hell real quick(not that it was ever very good.). Unless you have 50 gazillion rubles in there, it's a complete waste of time to complain about it.
We have a back up meduim that will last as long as paper. And I don't have to upgrade the drive.
I would like to add that even when somebody misappropriates(?) the GPL, they're not taking anything away from us. We are still able to use and share the code. They can't prevent us from doing that. And as far as I'm concerned any program that the uses GPL contrary to the license just became GPL'd and can be shared like the rest. I don't see a lot of complaints about GPL "theft" here, except when the pro-copyrighters attempt to find some kind of hypocrisy in the anti-copyrighters arguement. I think it's called strawman.?
Modded Interesting...Yes...Veerrry iinnteresting...but shtupid! In other words can the lecture, all right? We'll solve the world's problems tomorrow. I'll fire up my "Solvetheworldsproblems@home... when I'm done making some popcorn..er..coffee. Sheeesh. What a downer. So you think that this guy represents the entire computer engineering population? Should we all quit our jobs to devote all our time "solving the world's problems"? Besides, you got it wrong. He's using to roast coffee. Big difference. Maybe the world needs a computer controlled coffee maker. How do you know it doesn't? See? He solved a problem. Good coffee for all, AND he saved a computer from the land fill. So he solved TWO problems(the second one being quite valid). How many have you solved?
if it ran Linux (or BSD) I'll take it...
Shouldn't you be saying, "If it doesn't run Linux (or BSD), I'll make it."? Isn't that supposed to be the way of our world?
Oh come on. If people stop breaking the law voluntarily, they would just have to make more laws. How else is government going to get much needed funding? How else can we keep our prisons full if everybody is obeying the law? What are you trying to do? Cause economic chaos and meyhem? This would create a depression like no other. Whole industries would go bankrupt.