So rather than calling me wrong (which I won't dispute), how would you then properly back up that amount of storage capacity then. I am assuming this is a person and not a corporation that will not be spending megabucks no matter what on whatever solution.
I am aware of better solutions, but most are, lets say "cost prohibitive" to the normal user.
In any case, it is likely this would be stored in buddies house, so if the whole shabang burns to the ground, he's got bigger problems than some lost design data.
The only reason I put floppy drives in my PC builds back in the day was that most BIOS didn't seem to be able to reliably boot by other means. I had one floppy with master boot loader hanging out of my dell for years when linux didn't want to behave with my sketchy BIOS.
Now that everything can boot by CDROM or DVD easily, or even USB, there ceased to be a need for them. USB memory killed it a long time ago, and before that CD's got cheap enough not to care.
So one could point to any number of contributing reasons, none of which rhymed with napple.
With the state of media companies today, I dread new physical media now. Just means that they will use this as an excuse to sell you the same garbage you already bought them, and to use this as an excuse to flex their IP muscle. Can't wait for Star Wars the definitive GE super extended edition!
Anyway its all about cost, how much are these suckers going to cost, and how much is the burner. Wait and see. Might at least be a legitimate backup option for consumer PC's eventually if not expensive. Still, even with BR write time, filling 500GB is going to take forever.
Personally I would like to see some company make SSD's a lot cheaper. That would make my day.
Ask 10 Economists about anything, and you will get 10 different answers. I don't see how that is based on math and science. Yes they have models and such, however there is a divide between the theroy, the models, and reality, which is what I think they get at.
Case in point, if economics is based on sound science and math, why did no one really predict what happened?
If an ideal world, I agree that economics can be modeled, and be meaningful. However we live in reality which is much dirtier, and not so precise. Anyway I don't reject the idea of economics and the use of math and science to try and explain things, but at best it is alike a pseudoscience like psychology or sociology.
The take highly complex problems, with many important factors not included, and simplify it to the point where it makes sense in a model, but not in the real world. They can still be useful, but only in a limited way.
The classic physics joke "First assume a spherical cow..." comes to mind.
I thought it had more to do with the fact that to train someone in the effective use of a Longbow took a fairly long time, while the crossbow you could basically pick some peasant of the street, hand him a crossbow, and he would be proficient in about 5 minutes. Point at person you want to kill, press trigger. Crank, repeat.
You don't seem to know either then. I haven't lost any data yet. You don't seem to want to share your "extensive mind blowing knowlege" with the rest of the world.
For a personal grade solution I don't see what alternatives you are talking about.
Next think you are going to say is he should backup to the cloud right?
You suggesting he buy 5-10k worth of drives and tapes with less capacity?
They don't call it a REDUNDANT Array of INEXPENSIVE Disks for nothing.
You can buy 2TB for 80$ now. Buy 8 of them. You now have 16TB. Set up a mirrored RAID. You now have 8TB. Run it off a cheap low end PC (that has 4 SATA RAID of course). Cost you under 1000$ bucks.
Market prices for crops have nothing to do with their price once shipped to Africa as humanitarian aid..
Market prices in US don't matter, demand in Africa does. Are you going to get the free grain, or the stuff that costs money?
US crops would be cheaper and more plentiful without government actions.
I do see how you can figure that. it is counter to common sense. citation needed.
FYI most US farm aid is in the form of payments not to grow crops (as a price support).
I am not sure what you mean by that. You mean for US not to grow crops? because that would be aid towards US farmers not US aid. (I think the word "aid" is just confusing things.
Re-read your original post. Not sure where I got Africa from, other than you mentioned Congo. I am pretty sure I responded to the wrong post if that makes any sense (or why this conversation doesn't entirely). Its close enough that it kinda does.
Anyway the argument I was countering was that lifting Africa out of poverty won't be easy (if even possible), and is likely not to solve all our problems. You were actually making much the same argument, a slightly different way. Anyway I am pretty sure I got your post confused with someone elses, yet the topic is closely related enough to make it hard to tell without close inspection...
Really I was just trying to be flip in that it was like, "oh you mean all we have to do is fix Africa, well that should be a walk in the park, whats next..."
So a group of hackers, hacked another group of hackers and plan to publish their information because that group of hackers hacked some other people for use in their publication?
I guess what I am saying, is that hypothetically even if given the tools and training to have a modern farm (ignoring the whole climate, lack of water, etc...) they could still not make it work. As why the hell would you produce grain at 20$ a bushel (arbitrary number) if the going market rate is 2$ a bushel because of the aid imports from the USA which is subsidized heavily by the government simply to keep the farms going in the first place. You can't compete.
Subsistence farming is OK if you don't even have the 2$, but you aren't going to solve any big issues that way.
The trouble is, they are caught in a catch 22, where you don't want to stop the aid, as people will starve, but at the same time it is killing any chance of actual recovery.
Ideally, you wean off aid, and actually subsidize actual African farming not American. However that will never fly as most US aid is not money but food, which is subsidized by government, which keeps US farms going and employed. Aid is simply the excuse.
You generalize the "developing world" while singling out Africa. Then use a Congo example of how it is not happening.
What I was trying to say is if you posit that the population problem, hinges on Africa, and bringing them out of poverty, then what makes you think that can happen. Has anything in the past lead us to believe that this is a possible solution, or even something that we can have any influence in. As you go on to say with the EXCEPTION of those in the thrall of corruption, war, and disaster, and I was trying to point out that Africa seems to be in a perpetual state of corruption, war, and disaster.
So I wasn't trying to answer all you points, or even argue you on a point by point basis. Trying to insinuate that I have some sort of reading comprehension issue is simply lame.
I think it is also one of those chicken and the egg arguments. Part of the problem with Africa is they they have too many kids. They cannot feed their population. They already fight over land and resources. In order to solve the world population problem by solving Africa's problems, one of those problems is having 14 kids without any way to support them. No jobs, or education, or food leads to joining up with the local warlord and causing even more havoc.
I have to say religions like Catholicism isn't helping matters either with their prohibition on contraception.
Some of the aid is also counter productive also, where basically the free food stuffs arriving from America and the world, basically make it impossible for an African farmer to make it at least in the capitalism sort of way, because they are constantly undercut by subsidized competition. Of course that is assuming they have a currency or government or laws that make that possible anyway. So it is a disincentive on top of all the other problems they have to deal with.
We just have to raise Africa out of poverty? That should be easy right?
Considering it was just last week I saw a report on the news about the refugee camps in Kenya. There is now 500,000 people in those camps. Half a freaking million. Also many of the camps have been around for 20 years. Twenty freaking years. There was a story about people that were BORN in the refugee camps, and are still there as adults!
Am I the only one that sees this and goes "WTF!"
On the whole Africa is one messed up place, between war, famine, corruption, exploitation, genocide, plague, lawlessness, lack of anything infrastructure, education, health care, dictators, racial hatred, etc... the place is about as messed up as a place can possibly be. It has been receiving aid from both countries and individuals for decades and decades and there has even been some UN "interventions" (though not nearly enough in my mind).
Anyway I am not offering up any solutions, as if I had one I would be trying to do something about it. That assumes there are "solutions" to this sort of thing. People have been trying to fix Africa for a long time with no success. The fact that they have so many kids, seems crazy to me (but of course it hard to judge never having been in that situation). So ya, I'm not going to hold my breath for an African solution to population issues.
War will self-regulate. Once there becomes shortages in everything, particularly Land, Water, Food, Energy, people will start to get a bit antsy for war.
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Sounds to me like the judge is getting sick and tired of all the posturing that both Oracle and Google are doing...
140 trillion times all the water in the world's ocean + huge "tidal" forces from a huge, feeding black hole = KOWABUNGA DUDE!
Somehow there is a Disney movie in here somewhere.
"Space Surfers of APM 8279+5255"... OK its only a working title...
So rather than calling me wrong (which I won't dispute), how would you then properly back up that amount of storage capacity then. I am assuming this is a person and not a corporation that will not be spending megabucks no matter what on whatever solution.
I am aware of better solutions, but most are, lets say "cost prohibitive" to the normal user.
In any case, it is likely this would be stored in buddies house, so if the whole shabang burns to the ground, he's got bigger problems than some lost design data.
The only reason I put floppy drives in my PC builds back in the day was that most BIOS didn't seem to be able to reliably boot by other means. I had one floppy with master boot loader hanging out of my dell for years when linux didn't want to behave with my sketchy BIOS.
Now that everything can boot by CDROM or DVD easily, or even USB, there ceased to be a need for them. USB memory killed it a long time ago, and before that CD's got cheap enough not to care.
So one could point to any number of contributing reasons, none of which rhymed with napple.
They can "seek" extradition all they like... doesn't mean the UK will grant it.
To be fair the Canadian system is pretty messed up as well. However every now and again one witnesses a small ray of hope that not all is lost.
Shit, if I could I'd mod this up!
With the state of media companies today, I dread new physical media now. Just means that they will use this as an excuse to sell you the same garbage you already bought them, and to use this as an excuse to flex their IP muscle. Can't wait for Star Wars the definitive GE super extended edition!
Anyway its all about cost, how much are these suckers going to cost, and how much is the burner. Wait and see. Might at least be a legitimate backup option for consumer PC's eventually if not expensive. Still, even with BR write time, filling 500GB is going to take forever.
Personally I would like to see some company make SSD's a lot cheaper. That would make my day.
Ask 10 Economists about anything, and you will get 10 different answers. I don't see how that is based on math and science. Yes they have models and such, however there is a divide between the theroy, the models, and reality, which is what I think they get at.
Case in point, if economics is based on sound science and math, why did no one really predict what happened?
If an ideal world, I agree that economics can be modeled, and be meaningful. However we live in reality which is much dirtier, and not so precise. Anyway I don't reject the idea of economics and the use of math and science to try and explain things, but at best it is alike a pseudoscience like psychology or sociology.
The take highly complex problems, with many important factors not included, and simplify it to the point where it makes sense in a model, but not in the real world. They can still be useful, but only in a limited way.
The classic physics joke "First assume a spherical cow..." comes to mind.
I thought it had more to do with the fact that to train someone in the effective use of a Longbow took a fairly long time, while the crossbow you could basically pick some peasant of the street, hand him a crossbow, and he would be proficient in about 5 minutes. Point at person you want to kill, press trigger. Crank, repeat.
Pluto is really just the debris remains of the Rebel Base Alderann.
Never again will these terrorists plague our fair and just empire!
Offsite backup is always good, but hard to do with large capacities.
There are online services, however they are expensive and some are a bit sketchy... also cloud solutions same.
You could just take a cut on one extenal HD and throw them in a safety deposit box...
Even large companies struggle with the concept of offsite backup.
You don't seem to know either then. I haven't lost any data yet. You don't seem to want to share your "extensive mind blowing knowlege" with the rest of the world.
For a personal grade solution I don't see what alternatives you are talking about.
Next think you are going to say is he should backup to the cloud right?
You suggesting he buy 5-10k worth of drives and tapes with less capacity?
what sort of capacity do those have. I was under the impression that they haven't kept up with HD sizes...
And the alternatives are? Physical media such as blu-ray perhaps? Too small and don't last.
tape drive? have fun with that.
Buy a NAS that is large enough for you. Plug it in your network.
They don't call it a REDUNDANT Array of INEXPENSIVE Disks for nothing.
You can buy 2TB for 80$ now. Buy 8 of them. You now have 16TB. Set up a mirrored RAID. You now have 8TB. Run it off a cheap low end PC (that has 4 SATA RAID of course). Cost you under 1000$ bucks.
Market prices for crops have nothing to do with their price once shipped to Africa as humanitarian aid. .
Market prices in US don't matter, demand in Africa does. Are you going to get the free grain, or the stuff that costs money?
US crops would be cheaper and more plentiful without government actions.
I do see how you can figure that. it is counter to common sense. citation needed.
FYI most US farm aid is in the form of payments not to grow crops (as a price support).
I am not sure what you mean by that. You mean for US not to grow crops? because that would be aid towards US farmers not US aid. (I think the word "aid" is just confusing things.
Re-read your original post. Not sure where I got Africa from, other than you mentioned Congo. I am pretty sure I responded to the wrong post if that makes any sense (or why this conversation doesn't entirely). Its close enough that it kinda does.
Anyway the argument I was countering was that lifting Africa out of poverty won't be easy (if even possible), and is likely not to solve all our problems. You were actually making much the same argument, a slightly different way. Anyway I am pretty sure I got your post confused with someone elses, yet the topic is closely related enough to make it hard to tell without close inspection...
Really I was just trying to be flip in that it was like, "oh you mean all we have to do is fix Africa, well that should be a walk in the park, whats next..."
So a group of hackers, hacked another group of hackers and plan to publish their information because that group of hackers hacked some other people for use in their publication?
head 'splosion!
I guess what I am saying, is that hypothetically even if given the tools and training to have a modern farm (ignoring the whole climate, lack of water, etc...) they could still not make it work. As why the hell would you produce grain at 20$ a bushel (arbitrary number) if the going market rate is 2$ a bushel because of the aid imports from the USA which is subsidized heavily by the government simply to keep the farms going in the first place. You can't compete.
Subsistence farming is OK if you don't even have the 2$, but you aren't going to solve any big issues that way.
The trouble is, they are caught in a catch 22, where you don't want to stop the aid, as people will starve, but at the same time it is killing any chance of actual recovery.
Ideally, you wean off aid, and actually subsidize actual African farming not American. However that will never fly as most US aid is not money but food, which is subsidized by government, which keeps US farms going and employed. Aid is simply the excuse.
You generalize the "developing world" while singling out Africa. Then use a Congo example of how it is not happening.
What I was trying to say is if you posit that the population problem, hinges on Africa, and bringing them out of poverty, then what makes you think that can happen. Has anything in the past lead us to believe that this is a possible solution, or even something that we can have any influence in. As you go on to say with the EXCEPTION of those in the thrall of corruption, war, and disaster, and I was trying to point out that Africa seems to be in a perpetual state of corruption, war, and disaster.
So I wasn't trying to answer all you points, or even argue you on a point by point basis. Trying to insinuate that I have some sort of reading comprehension issue is simply lame.
I think it is also one of those chicken and the egg arguments. Part of the problem with Africa is they they have too many kids. They cannot feed their population. They already fight over land and resources. In order to solve the world population problem by solving Africa's problems, one of those problems is having 14 kids without any way to support them. No jobs, or education, or food leads to joining up with the local warlord and causing even more havoc.
I have to say religions like Catholicism isn't helping matters either with their prohibition on contraception.
Some of the aid is also counter productive also, where basically the free food stuffs arriving from America and the world, basically make it impossible for an African farmer to make it at least in the capitalism sort of way, because they are constantly undercut by subsidized competition. Of course that is assuming they have a currency or government or laws that make that possible anyway. So it is a disincentive on top of all the other problems they have to deal with.
We just have to raise Africa out of poverty? That should be easy right?
Considering it was just last week I saw a report on the news about the refugee camps in Kenya. There is now 500,000 people in those camps. Half a freaking million. Also many of the camps have been around for 20 years. Twenty freaking years. There was a story about people that were BORN in the refugee camps, and are still there as adults!
Am I the only one that sees this and goes "WTF!"
On the whole Africa is one messed up place, between war, famine, corruption, exploitation, genocide, plague, lawlessness, lack of anything infrastructure, education, health care, dictators, racial hatred, etc... the place is about as messed up as a place can possibly be. It has been receiving aid from both countries and individuals for decades and decades and there has even been some UN "interventions" (though not nearly enough in my mind).
Anyway I am not offering up any solutions, as if I had one I would be trying to do something about it. That assumes there are "solutions" to this sort of thing. People have been trying to fix Africa for a long time with no success. The fact that they have so many kids, seems crazy to me (but of course it hard to judge never having been in that situation). So ya, I'm not going to hold my breath for an African solution to population issues.
War will self-regulate. Once there becomes shortages in everything, particularly Land, Water, Food, Energy, people will start to get a bit antsy for war.