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Peter Adekeye Freed, Judge Outraged At Cisco's Involvement
puppetman writes "Ars Technica has an article relating the recent release of Peter Adekeye, a former Cisco employee who was arrested in Canada on trumped-up charges that appear to have been fabricated by Cisco. Slashdot covered the story back in April, 2011, during which time Mr Adekeye was still being detained. In the ruling, the judge squashed the US extradition request, rebuked both the Canadian and American authorities for 'an appalling abuse of process,' and goes as far as to say that the criminal proceeding was launched on behalf of Cisco, to mirror the civil proceedings that Mr Adekeye had launched against the powerful Cisco." The full judgement (PDF) is quite readable and damning.
Great. It's "damning". Yay.
Will we see any penalties for Cisco breaking the law?
*crickets*
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there are still actual judges on this planet after all .....
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BOYCOTT Cisco
First, I heard about the layoffs
Then I overheard a conversation about them being clipped at both ends of the stick by stiff competition; Juniper on the high end and some Chinese company whose name I forgot on the low end
And now this
Perhaps Netflix, whose price hikes were the subject of another Slashdot story; about three stories ago; could be in a position to buy Cisco out and then use them as their in-house infrastructure provider?
Most Respectfully Yours Mark Allyn Bellingham, Washington
Hey, Peter -- if you get sick of Switzerland, think about moving to Canada. I'd be happy to have you as my neighbour.
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
years from now, maybe 10, maybe 20, there will be other cases like this.
the defense attorneys will go "Look, what the courts already ruled in 2011. Look what the judge said."
Judges in the US often rely heavily on precedent, and the future judge will go "oh. . . wow. that judge was pissed. dismissed with prejudice!"
BOYCOTT Cisco
You know, there are other reasons as well, and not just an overpriced product.
The one that comes to my mind first is the prevalence of Cisco hardware in many of the world's most oppressive regimes "great firewalls".
Of course there are many whores in the high-tech world, not just Cisco...
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This is just another sad statement showing the "End of America" and the dream it was, under Bush/Cheney civil liberties became secondary and Obama/Biden has done nothing to restore justice.
If we in the US isn't careful we'll start blaming our countries problems on the poor/sick/gay, which is only one step away from rounding up groups and shipping them off in rail cars.
Please, read the full decision. The justice appears to get very angry at the U.S. Justice Department, which apparently colluded with Cisco and failed to adequetly represent all of the facts to the RCMP and in turn the Canadian judge who issued the arrest warrant. It's yet another horrifying sign of the current state of the US government.
Thank God for Canada. This case illustrates exactly why the trend internationally to reduce the role of the courts in extradition to mere rubber stamping is so dangerous (for eg, the EAW and the removal of the need for a prima facie case to be made to the responding court in new extradition treaties).
Bureaucrats have long viewed the need for anything other than a simple request for extradition to be produced to the other country as an annoying inconvenience and, arguing that extradition is merely an 'administrative' and not a criminal procedure, have secured changes in the law in some countries. But how can anything resulting in the removal of someone's freedom *not* be a criminal procedure? Were it not for the fact that some civil law states in Europe absolutely refuse to hand over their own citizens to any other State (I suppose with the exception of within the EU under the EAW), we would rapidly be heading towards a world where any government hands over any person to any other government on flimsy grounds. This is the case already between certain countries.
Wow, and to think I had lost faith in the Canadian extradition process.
banana republics behave like banana republics, welcome to the USA.
So how is the US better than China now?
Seems to me that they're both ok places to live, with good points and bad points, that seem like just as reasonable place to live as any other, if you're actually living there.
Most people spend their lives working, finding a girlfriend, getting married, having children, and most people in either country don't find themselves arrested on a daily basis, so ordinary people in both places feel both places are entirely reasonable places to live.
Cisco - you can buy better, but you can't pay more.
Highway sign - US Interstate 70 in Utah, exit 214 says:
Cisco
No Services
make imaginary.friends COUNT=100 VISIBLE=false
In these sorts of cases, where the defendant (Cisco in this case) has to resort to character bashing to salvage their legal position, someone will end up getting egg on their face for playing the part of the thug. In many cases, this ends up being US law enforcement or the justice department. But here, it appears that with the assistance of our INS, they managed to move this onto Canadian soil. And they made the RCMP look like the heavy.
Thankfully, the judge saw through this and threw out the extradition request. And it appears that Adekeye has won his civil case. But let this be a lesson for other foreign jurisdictions. The US is always looking for some dumbshit to do their bidding and take the fall. Better to consider this before even signing the treaty, let alone rubber stamping the paperwork.
Have gnu, will travel.
If you've ever had the misfortune of encountering Cisco in a legal capacity, none of this is particularly surprising.
Corporations are not individuals, do not behave like them, and, most importantly, are not governed like them. Corporations can get away with things that would send away individuals permanently. This case is mice nuts compare to other corporate actions (e.g. News Corp.) and will not even be a footnote once corporations are automated. We are still in the early stages, but software that manages schedules, meetings, agendas, and corporate policies will eventually create a corporate consciousness that will be self preserving. Imagine you could create a new being that is not governed by the same rules as humans. Frankenstein was a novice by comparison.
linuxrocks points out that Canadian courts will look at this precedent, even if American's don't.
however the DOJ has to deal with courts in other countries. especially in extradition cases, of course.
cases like this are embarassements. when other countries completely trash our justice system, it looks bad, it makes the US look bad, and it makes the president look bad. this is not some crazy anti-american judge in a dictatorship, this is an ordinary canadian judge, whose justice system largely derives from the same source (english common law) as ours does.
its not just about the precedent in US law... the DOJ has to look at what a Canadian court is likely to do, before it orders extradition. So the US prosecutors will be looking at the history of Canadian law, and deciding whether or not they have a chance of extraditing someone, before they spend all of the time and money, and risk embarassing losses, to actually try to do it.
http://pimpinturtle.com/2008/02/01/fema-ordered-102000-boxcars-with-shackles.aspx
Explain this one, being able to move 20 million prisoners easily from one area to the next, while only 5 million at the most are confined to prisons at the moment. Where were the other 15 million prisoners to come from if not to move the 5 million prisoners already in confinement?
The administrative bodies of government are controlling the news media as much as possible, because every scrrew they turn in the caskette known as America will cause mass rioting from all-collars of the workforce, and we don't know this could have already happened and not covered by the media because they have become increasingly efficient at this kind of regulation.
Americans should be burning not only the Whitehouse like what the Brittish did in 1812, but every House held by Congressmen and Senators and Legislators and Judiciaiaries and even the CEO's of all the corporations ranging from Federal Reserve System to Walmart and Goldman Sachs and Apple. Burn everything, for expecticing America to compete with slave labor from around the world and depriving Americans of their own manufacturing self-sufficiency to enrich theirselves and their own quality of life in their own coutnry rather than be expected to bail-out and feed the timid slaves under capitalistic communist-dictators playing chess through the IMF.
Does anybody know the FBI stance on this? Despite some shady things done in the War on Drugs front, the FBI is actually pretty good about investigating corruption of even the very highest political elite.
I know that I, and I hope that everyone else on this board, will never buy a Cisco product again.
EVER.
In fact, I will go out of my way to make sure that all of my friends in the tech industry NEVER EVER BUY their stuff AGAIN.
And I know a lot of folks who buy a lot of network equipment.
Cisco, you are evil with a capital E.
"There are laws that enslave men, and laws that set them free. " - Sean Connery as King Arthur
Peter needs to submit a complaint to the California bar, because the corporate counsel that signed off on these actions need to be disbarred for ethical malfeasance.
Actually, they need to be in jail, but disbarred is probably the best that can be done.
"There are laws that enslave men, and laws that set them free. " - Sean Connery as King Arthur
Can anyone initiate a complaint? Cisco is in California, so that seems to be the logical place to see if this can be done. Any lawyers out there who have a clue about this?
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> The full judgement (PDF) is quite readable and damning.
Yes, it is well written, and readable. Justice McKinnon deserves applause for clarity, and common sense.
Quite a text for young lawyers on both sides of the 49th parallel.
The coverage in the "lower 48" seemed a bit thin, though... until now. :-)
What a pity that an honest businessman and his family have suffered over a year of separation and distress; for what? ...the Justice's point!
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the CFAA (18 USC 1030) was the law they attempted to use against Adekeye
this law is seriously flawed and possibly unconstitutional.
Lori Drew, Thomas Drake, Peter Adekeye, George Hotz, all of them allegedly violated it. What kind of law outlaws such a broad range of things?
Corporate Death Penalty
Since the US treats corporations as individuals this is not a bad idea and has the huge benefit that nobody actually dies. Just shut the corporation down, all property is confiscated and sold to recompense the victims and any excess donated to relevant charities and all IP is released the to public domain (to repay damage to society the company caused). Executives get nothing - all pay, bonues, pensions etc cancelled (and they may be liable for further criminal charges/penalties if warranted) and most importantly even the shareholders get nothing so that they are very strongly motivated to not turn a blind eye if they suspect something is rotten.
Of course we will never see anything like that actually happen because the corporations are far too powerful but wouldn't that be an amazing deterrent to corporate misbehaviour!
http://cantbeunseen.com/what-has-been-seen/17323-picture
And George Carlin reminded us again not so long ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
Why is Cisco behave like the Chinese communists?
Why are the governments of Canada and the United States behave as if they are slaves to Cisco?
Why ???
The underground railroad runs from the USA to Canada and not the other way around.
That plaque at the Statue of Libertas in the NY harbour is a lie.
Well, the NotW was killed and before the corpse was even cold all the bleeding hearts on the right and left were crying about the poor innocent victims of it all.
The newspapers will call for thougher measures against drunk driving to save the children but when the a drunk driving mother is sentenced to jail those same newspapers cry out about her poor children.
The world has become controlled by bleeding hearts and nimby drones to the point nothing can get done anymore.
Simple test, EVERYONE who has expressed outrage at this has committed themselves to never by CISCO again. Wanna bet nobody who sayed Cisco should pay is willing to make them pay?
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
> What kind of law outlaws such a broad range of things?
A very bad one, if you're on the wrong end of it.
Or a very useful one, if you're on the right end of it.
Linksys being a brand much more likely to be found in your average home, for those who want to protest with their wallets - an act which I highly encourage in this case.
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From paragraph 10 of the ruling: "This seems to be the start of a series of misadventures that could only be the subject of a Joseph Heller novel."
It never a good thing to be the subject of a judge's humor.
Go not unto/. for advice, for you will be told both yea and nay (but have nothing to do with the question)
Read it yesterday on Ars -- just blew me away. It's making me SERIOUSLY consider replacing all my Cisco gear with ${runner_up} gear. Anyone got any recommendations for me?
We need BGP routing, firewalls, VPN endpoints, and in the realm of switching -- layer 3, ether-channel, spanning-tree, port-security, and the ability to stack switches is always a bonus.
he's a black foreigner, so it doesn't matter.
the judge squashed the US extradition request,
Extradition requests are frequently quashed, seldom squashed.
~Loyal
I aim to misbehave.
The decision means nothing if there are no consequences. Since they were not penalized in any way CISCO will be free to do this again in the future.
To be fair the Canadian system is pretty messed up as well. However every now and again one witnesses a small ray of hope that not all is lost.
Would probably be more beneficial than Church and State at this point. The corporations and their involvement in government affairs are the sole reason for the collapse on the US economy, yet when it collapsed we gave those same financial institutions bailout money in which case they paid all of their big wigs millions in bonuses. At the same time they have taken none of the blame and taken little if any of the after effects. Instead that is felt by the people, while the government is trillions in debt. A debt it added to when it gave of 16 trillion dollars in "secret" bailouts that were not even brought to light until this week after an investigation in to the federal reserve. It is sad that what was once the most powerful government in the world is now a mere puppet.
Just because you are wrong and I called you out on it doesn't mean I am a Troll.
I posted this because the /. population has such power over hardware purchasing decisions. This was a travesty. I am going to write my Member of Parliament to ask that a committee be set up to investigate, and possibly lay charges.
This is how the corporations are going to take over the world, because nobody takes action to stop them. The only possible solution for this is to dismantle CISCO, no matter the consecuences, youll say, oh but what about peoples jobs. well, it looks like if you work at cisco your job isnt worth much to begin with, this is about the long run, if measures are not taken to ensure that companies cannot abuse the power they already have, then there will come a point where there is no stopping them.
I'm always right, except when i'm not.
The people who hacked phones broke laws and will be prosecuted. Anyone who the government can prove was complicit will be prosecuted. And all they did was invade the privacy of some people.
Cisco misused two criminal justice systems to try to ruin a guy's life and pervert justice in the US civil courts. The corporation, and its officers and attorneys individually, will see no criminal penalties whatsoever. The complicit government officials will also face no criminal penalties.
Doing that punishes far more innocent people ... than it does guilty.
That is not necessarily true. You also have to take into account the innocent people that are will be affected if you do not remove toxic corporations from society. In addition many of the "innocent" people may be innocent in that they, themselves, did nothing wrong but it is hard to see how some of these large corporations get away with such appalling behaviour without others knowing, or at least suspecting, what is going on.
At the moment shareholders and employees have little to benefit by pointing out suspect behaviour and a lot to lose if they do: their profits and/or jobs are potentially on the line. However if the result of not speaking out is a potential corporate death sentence then it makes the consequence of staying silent just as bad, if not worse.
Perhaps someone in California ought to file a complaint with the state Bar Association about the statements Richard C Cheng of the US Attorney's office in San Diego made. From to the decision: ...
Quoting the Cheng submission: [...] The United States denied each and every
The judge: This allegation is simply not true.
[snip]
Again, this is simply not true.
[snip]
This statement was completely untrue.
From the California Bar Rules of Professional Conduct (Section 5-200):
In presenting a matter to a tribunal, a member:
[snip]
(B) Shall not seek to mislead the judge, judicial officer, or jury by an artifice or false statement of fact or law;
Looks pretty straightforward to me. It wasn't a US court, but it clearly was a "tribunal" and one that he was communicating with in his official capacity as a lawyer and as Assistant US Attorney.
He should be fired from the US Attorney's office at the very least, if not disbarred.
Emphasis mine.
I find it offensive that this guy could form a company (Multiven), employ himself, and then file for an H-1B visa for himself. That is not supposed to be allowed under the enabling law. It appears to me that ICE caught on to this, and when they investigated Multiven, they found that he was in fact sponsoring himself -- which was the reason that all of his visas were revoked. That being said -- there is no doubt that Cisco is acting like a punk in this case -- somehow they found a useful idiot to perform for them, and they trumped up a bunch of civil charges.