I found the static analyser in SGI's Prodev Workshop to be quite excellent, though that was a while ago and I am comparing it with nothing - I'm not sure how it stacks up against more recent offerings :
I see what Apple intend to do with their iPhone as similar to what Nokia (and others?) are doing with their S60 3rd edition devices. On the latter, (almost) all apps need to be sent to special test houses to be tested to make sure the aren't melicious and/or going to screw up the users' phones. I think Apple will end up with something similar. 3rd parties will be able to write stuff for it, but they'll have to submit it for testing before it'll be able to be installed. Freeware (etc) is tested for free via a sponsored test house.
As for S60 3rd, it is a real pain to do, especially the first time, but most people realise the value in the long run.
Distribution may well be different though, from the sound of things.
"ship it to us, but back it up first; if we suspect a software problem we reserve the right to return the disk to its original state before returning it, but we'll try not to do that unless it's necessary."
>...and then we charge you 5 x all of the EU sales/month each month
They already aren't paying. What makes you think an adjustment of the amount/time will make any difference. You can't take their money if they won't give it to you.
No. Instead, the EU should do something proactive, like halting the sale of infringing products. That would stop MS getting money in the first place, rather than take it from them once they've got it. This would also stop them increasing market share/etc/etc.
Having said that, Microsoft don't sell too many copies of MS Windows in China either. Instead, they just let it be pirated and they have close to 100% market share (I know a few westerners who don't run MS Windows, but no one Chinese). Now they have the market share, they can start to try to get the government to make people pay for it.
Perhaps a similar thing would happen in Europe...though people in Europe seem more open to open source (well, they've heard of it at least).
Actually, I said exactly the same thing, "Do some research yourself and come to your own decision"....and as I pointed out, I've read it and I came to my own conclusion (well, sort of). Others can do the same; we're all grown ups after all.
yes, the dd-wrt's internet switch is programmable so you can have each port as a different subnet, and have the dd-wrt *not* route between them.
can't be done using the GUI though, so you'll have to get your hands dirty. in fact, the GUI gets in the way (changing something will mess everything up), and IMO you'd do better looking at firmware that either does not have a GUI or has a GUI that allows this. I was using DD-WRT but have been finding it unreliable (httpd locks up) and so I would recommend looking at different simpler firmware.
There was a thread on dd-wrt's forums on how to set up the dd-wrt to have a different vlan on each port, but it's not there any more (I think the forum s/w was switched and they didn't keep the old stuff).
I read a blog recently that questions the integrity of one of dd-wrt's developers. Apparently, the guy who calls himself brainslayer and who seems to have done most of the integration work (IINM), is now selling the work of others as his own.... and other accusations. Read for yourself :
I'm not sure if there's anything wrong with it myself, but you might want to consider your options, if such things are important to you.
I'm using dd-wrt myself, and I'm looking at replacing it with Tomato, since dd-wrt's web server (the GUI) keeps locking up (logging into it wish ssh reveals httpd is using 100% CPU and killing it causes it to be relaunched). Also, I really don't need all the crap that's in the regular version of dd-wrt, so I'd move to the micro version of dd-wrt anyway, but since that will likely have the same httpd problem, I figure I might as well give Tomato a try.
Yeah, you might care more about the httpd lockup than the developer's integrity. Just a couple of things to consider. YMMV
I have been running dd-wrt for a long time, but the fact that it's httpd always uses close to 100% of the CPU (after running ok for a while) so I have to ssh in and kill it (it's restarted automatically), made me look for an alternative. I'm going to try the 'tomato' one, I think :
How about Google do some ads on the *street*? They know you're walking by it from your mobile, so they push a relevant ad onto the big ad *on the street*.
What was that movie again? They did it with a retina scan, iirc.
> Pre-installed or blank you gain both of those things anyways.
If it isn't preinstalled, I wouldn't be so sure all it's h/w was 'linux compatible'. With it pre-installed, I can be more sure.
Yes, they could say 'we tested it and everything worked', but if they actually sell it with some linux installed, then that would be better, in my mind at least.
I'd vote for Ubuntu, then probably wipe it and install Fedora.
I suppose Microsoft could produce a product that would comply with the standard. It would have to be a product that combined all the previous versions of MS Word/etc into one package (otherwise it is just emulating the output of the previous packages and doesn't cover all the cases of possible input).
No one else could produce such a product though, and so no one else could claim compliance with the standard. Kind of pointless as a standard, I think.
I suspect that Microsoft actually don't have the formats defined - the format is simply 'what the s/w produces'. They would have to go back and try to define the format using the source and or studying the output of the product. Sounds like an aweful lot of work to me and I'm not surprised Microsoft doesn't want to do it (if it's even possible) - assuming they don't.
> Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I think the claim that the great wall of china is not a building to be complete bollocks.
I might add, there are many places along the great wall that indeed were intended for permanent human occupancy - probably soldiers, of course, but they're still human.
I still think the wikipedia definition is bollocks though.
How about CERN's SPS? Wikipedia says it's 2km in diameter, which would make it 2PI km long ~= 6km. That's close to twice as long as SLAC.
OK, so it can't claim to be the straightest, but if SLAC is going to claim the straightest title, then it should also qualify it's longest claim as 'longest straight building'.
Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I think the claim that the great wall of china is not a building to be complete bollocks.
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I agree. It's really sad.
I found the static analyser in SGI's Prodev Workshop to be quite excellent, though that was a while ago and I am comparing it with nothing - I'm not sure how it stacks up against more recent offerings :
r odev.html#B
http://www.sgi.com/products/software/irix/tools/p
Looks like it's IRIX only though, so YMMV, to put it mildly.
I see what Apple intend to do with their iPhone as similar to what Nokia (and others?) are doing with their S60 3rd edition devices. On the latter, (almost) all apps need to be sent to special test houses to be tested to make sure the aren't melicious and/or going to screw up the users' phones. I think Apple will end up with something similar. 3rd parties will be able to write stuff for it, but they'll have to submit it for testing before it'll be able to be installed. Freeware (etc) is tested for free via a sponsored test house.
As for S60 3rd, it is a real pain to do, especially the first time, but most people realise the value in the long run.
Distribution may well be different though, from the sound of things.
"ship it to us, but back it up first; if we suspect a software problem we reserve the right to return the disk to its original state before returning it, but we'll try not to do that unless it's necessary."
IIRC, this is what AppleCare say.
From the article :
...as oppose to the normal ones with only five sides?
> This nighttime view of Saturn's north pole shows a bizarre six-sided hexagon...
hrm. ok.
> To me it seems overly expensive for what it is, when for just $200 more you can get, well, an iPhone.
$200 is a lot to some people...
> ...I'm evaluating Vista Business on my office desktop atm
...and it's running vista?
You have a desktop atm?
It'd be cooler if it wasn't running vista, but still, not bad.
> ...and then we charge you 5 x all of the EU sales/month each month
They already aren't paying. What makes you think an adjustment of the amount/time will make any difference. You can't take their money if they won't give it to you.
No. Instead, the EU should do something proactive, like halting the sale of infringing products. That would stop MS getting money in the first place, rather than take it from them once they've got it. This would also stop them increasing market share/etc/etc.
Having said that, Microsoft don't sell too many copies of MS Windows in China either. Instead, they just let it be pirated and they have close to 100% market share (I know a few westerners who don't run MS Windows, but no one Chinese). Now they have the market share, they can start to try to get the government to make people pay for it.
Perhaps a similar thing would happen in Europe...though people in Europe seem more open to open source (well, they've heard of it at least).
Actually, I said exactly the same thing, "Do some research yourself and come to your own decision". ...and as I pointed out, I've read it and I came to my own conclusion (well, sort of). Others can do the same; we're all grown ups after all.
wtf is 'emo'?
re : http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/VLAN_Detached _Networks_(Separate_Networks_With_Internet)#.27.27 .27Assumptions:.27.27.27
:)
Ah, great. Looks like a great summary of the mess that is the original thread
Thanks for pointing that out.
The internet archive has the discussion for how to make each port a different network :
f orum.bsr-clan.de/ftopic5179.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20070318234029/http://
HTH
Re: multiple vlans
yes, the dd-wrt's internet switch is programmable so you can have each port as a different subnet, and have the dd-wrt *not* route between them.
can't be done using the GUI though, so you'll have to get your hands dirty. in fact, the GUI gets in the way (changing something will mess everything up), and IMO you'd do better looking at firmware that either does not have a GUI or has a GUI that allows this. I was using DD-WRT but have been finding it unreliable (httpd locks up) and so I would recommend looking at different simpler firmware.
There was a thread on dd-wrt's forums on how to set up the dd-wrt to have a different vlan on each port, but it's not there any more (I think the forum s/w was switched and they didn't keep the old stuff).
I read a blog recently that questions the integrity of one of dd-wrt's developers. Apparently, the guy who calls himself brainslayer and who seems to have done most of the integration work (IINM), is now selling the work of others as his own. ... and other accusations. Read for yourself :
- to-exploit-free-open.html
http://xwrt.blogspot.com/2007/02/dd-wrt-continues
I'm not sure if there's anything wrong with it myself, but you might want to consider your options, if such things are important to you.
I'm using dd-wrt myself, and I'm looking at replacing it with Tomato, since dd-wrt's web server (the GUI) keeps locking up (logging into it wish ssh reveals httpd is using 100% CPU and killing it causes it to be relaunched). Also, I really don't need all the crap that's in the regular version of dd-wrt, so I'd move to the micro version of dd-wrt anyway, but since that will likely have the same httpd problem, I figure I might as well give Tomato a try.
Yeah, you might care more about the httpd lockup than the developer's integrity. Just a couple of things to consider. YMMV
You might want to consider choosing one of the alternatives to dd-wrt :
- to-exploit-free-open.html
http://xwrt.blogspot.com/2007/02/dd-wrt-continues
or not...
I have been running dd-wrt for a long time, but the fact that it's httpd always uses close to 100% of the CPU (after running ok for a while) so I have to ssh in and kill it (it's restarted automatically), made me look for an alternative. I'm going to try the 'tomato' one, I think :
http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato
> .. that you happen to be walking by.
Eek. Movie link.
How about Google do some ads on the *street*? They know you're walking by it from your mobile, so they push a relevant ad onto the big ad *on the street*.
What was that movie again? They did it with a retina scan, iirc.
> ... unless you happen to be sitting on some Windows HFS+ drivers that I don't know about.
There are such things. Wiebetech drivedocks used to be shipped with a free(beer) version, IINM - not any more though (again, IIMN).
> Pre-installed or blank you gain both of those things anyways.
If it isn't preinstalled, I wouldn't be so sure all it's h/w was 'linux compatible'. With it pre-installed, I can be more sure.
Yes, they could say 'we tested it and everything worked', but if they actually sell it with some linux installed, then that would be better, in my mind at least.
I'd vote for Ubuntu, then probably wipe it and install Fedora.
I guess RDS uses a similar technique? Last I heard, it was very popular in the UK and europe, but not so in the US or Asia.
I suppose Microsoft could produce a product that would comply with the standard. It would have to be a product that combined all the previous versions of MS Word/etc into one package (otherwise it is just emulating the output of the previous packages and doesn't cover all the cases of possible input).
No one else could produce such a product though, and so no one else could claim compliance with the standard. Kind of pointless as a standard, I think.
I suspect that Microsoft actually don't have the formats defined - the format is simply 'what the s/w produces'. They would have to go back and try to define the format using the source and or studying the output of the product. Sounds like an aweful lot of work to me and I'm not surprised Microsoft doesn't want to do it (if it's even possible) - assuming they don't.
These people are really useful member of society, like people who can play monopoly with one foot.
Name that (probably inaccurate) quote.
Wow. You get my vote for 'Most Balanced /. Poster'.
... but I'm not a USian, and the country where I can vote, doesn't have a president.
"Lawpoop for president!". That's what I say
> Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I think the claim that the great wall of china is not a building to be complete bollocks.
I might add, there are many places along the great wall that indeed were intended for permanent human occupancy - probably soldiers, of course, but they're still human.
I still think the wikipedia definition is bollocks though.
How about CERN's SPS? Wikipedia says it's 2km in diameter, which would make it 2PI km long ~= 6km. That's close to twice as long as SLAC.
OK, so it can't claim to be the straightest, but if SLAC is going to claim the straightest title, then it should also qualify it's longest claim as 'longest straight building'.
Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I think the claim that the great wall of china is not a building to be complete bollocks.
> but instead is straight in the same sense that a lightbeam is straight
I thought light was bent by gravity too...