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Beef Up Your Wireless Router
Doctor High writes "Josh Kuo's article Beef Up Your Wireless Router talks about the OpenWRT embedded Linux distro for the the Linksys WRT series wireless routers (and more). The article lays out some of the amazing things you can do with your Linux-enabled wireless router such as using it as a VoIP gateway, a wireless hotspot, or even an encrypted layer 2 tunnel endpoint for remote troubleshooting."
... but my Linksys router has enough trouble keeping up with the normal jobs it is supposed to be doing. When I saw the title, I was hoping that it was about over-clocking or adding memory.
Yeah he mentioned a lot of cool stuff that can be done with Linux installed on the router, but my wireless router already does a good portion of that stuff - DHCP, it can be a wireless hotspot if it wants to be (not with any special features; for those I'd just need to use a computer)... and a number of other things that he mentioned are already part of 99% of the wireless routers that I've seen.
Aside from the things he mentioned that are already part of wireless routers, the rest of it seems cool.
I did it with a Linksys router I jus bought for that purpose, it work flawlessly, the interesting part of it is the huge config possibilities offered over the trad. factory default microprogram installed on it. That is not so new hack but it will make your admin life easier
Sure you have one. Everyone nowadays has at least one wireless router at home, be it Linksys, NetGear, D-Link, or Buffalo. With new wireless products being released nearly every month, I am willing to bet that some of you even have a couple of the older wireless routers collecting dust in your closet. Well, it's time to take them out and put them to good use.
Check out the OpenWRT project. OpenWRT is a Linux distribution for embedded devices, and it brings a lot of exciting possibilities to your humble wireless router. Although still in its release candidate stage (currently at RC6), OpenWRT is very usable and feature-rich right out of the box. Be warned, you could void your manufacturer warranty by installing OpenWRT on your wireless routers.
So what can you do with an embedded Linux device running on limited RAM and very small storage? As it turns out, quite a lot actually. You can install asterisk, and have your personal, customizable PBX (private branch exchange). If you already have a SIP phone or some kind of VoIP phone interface (such as the Cisco ATA 186 adapter), you can have your very own VoIP system at home, all running out of your low power-consumption embedded hardware.
Put your router/firewall on steroids by installing packages like nmap (network security scanner), snort (intrusion detection), and tcpdump (packet sniffer). Together with iptables (which comes with the Linux kernel), you can turn your OpenWRT box into a powerful security tool. Install openvpn, and you have a very affordable VPN device. And if it strikes your fancy, you can install quagga and turn your dusty little Linksys into an OSPF and BGP-capable router.
Want to provide your own wireless hotspot? No problem. Install chillispot, and you are ready to go. You can even install FreeRADIUS on the OpenWRT for the authentication back-end, and WPA (wifi protected access) for the added security.
You can turn it into an all purpose office server by installing DHCP, cups (print server), lighthttpd (web server), NTP (time server) and OpenSSH or dropbear (secure remote administration). If your router has a USB port, you can also turn it into a file server by hooking it up with a USB hard drive and installing NFS.
And don't forget that this is a wireless router. It has a wireless card, so take advantage of it! Install kismet on it, and you have a wireless sniffer. This can prove to be invaluable if you ever need to analyze the airwaves at a remote location, but don't want to leave your expensive laptop on-site. Drop in place a $50 OpenWRT box loaded with kismet instead.
Here is one way to use your old wireless router: In the past, I had setup a few cheap Linksys WRT54g boxes with OpenWRT and vtun, and dropped one at each of our remote locations. This gave me the ability to have layer 2 tunnels to each of the remote sites. I kept one in my house, and if I ever needed to troubleshoot a remote network problem, I just setup the tunnel between the two OpenWRT boxes, connected my laptop or testing equipment to the OpenWRT sitting on my desk, and it was like being on the remote physical network! This saved me a number of times, being able to perform packet capturing on the remote network, observing the network traffic in real-time, requesting and obtaining DHCP addresses... essentially, I could experience exactly what the remote user was experiencing, all from the comfort of my own home.
This is just the beginning of what embedded Linux can do for you. To find out more what embedded Linux can do fo r your enterprise, check out Secure Linux Appliances in Your Enterprise. So dig up your old wireless router, check it against the hardware compatibility list, and see if your router is OpenWRT compatible, and open yourself up to a wrt of possibilities!
Josh Kuo
Co-Owner of q!Bang Solutions
Another example of how free software is better than proprietary software.
An image of a cat-5 cable for a story about a wireless device?
You might also check out dd-wrt. Offers a lot of the same features. I'm not saying it's better, but it's an alternative...and works with many linksys, buffalo, asus, belkin, etc. And their wiki is a wealth of information on configuration and use of the dd-wrt firmware.
My wireless router completely failed to download the webpage.
I suppose it could stand to be beefed up a little.
Linksys routers (v4.0 and earlier) were great before they started reducing RAM and ROM size (w/o reducing the price of course).
Today you get only Linksys routers with about 8MB RAM and 2MB ROM.
You can't do anything with them. They're completely worthless.
With a 2MB ROM you're forced to use the micro size image of OpenWRT which doesn't even include pppoe(!).
(But DD-WRT which is by far better than OpenWRT (IMO) does have pppoe in their micro size image.)
I returned all Linksys routers I had and switched to the Asus WL-500g which has plenty of RAM and ROM and USB.
Linksys completely failed it. The Linux version of their router is no replacement and I really hope they will be sold or crapped by Cisco soon because they deserve it (for being stupid).
Yeah, I got one of that WRT54G from linksys, but it happens to be a v5 router preloaded with vxWorks proprietary operational system. Linksys' WRT54G and WRT54GS v5, v5.1 and v6 versions got less flash (2 mb flash memory and 8 mb of ram instead of 4 mb flash and 16 mb ram from other versions), It's possible to load a very minimal OpenWRT firmware into it, but it wont give you all advantages that you got with more storage.
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The best model for using OpwnWRT are the "L" series (WRT54GL) that according to Linksys, are built specially for the Linux modding comunity.
Don't buy v5 or v6 if you want to use OpenWRT.Consult this page before acquiring a router: http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware?action=sh
This isn't like the time they told me to solder the ends of a light cord to my modem to make my internet faster is it ?
Wanna fight ? Bend over, stick your head up your ass, and fight for air.
I haven't gotten around to flashing my old Fon router with it yet, but a friend gave me a demo of his Linksys/Tomato setup... and it is very, very nice indeed. Almost any data you could think of wanting, any control you might want to exercise, presented in a clean, fast AJAX UI: http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato
DD-WRT is the most feature rich of the WRT firmwares, and the v24 promises of multiple, virtual APs with different encryptions will make me upgrade, but I like Thibor's Hyperwrt better if you don't need all the bells and whistles.
Thibor's HyperWRT is closer to the stock firmware than DD-WRT. It offers telnet and configured startup scripts. It offers static IP assignment, QoS, WDS, and client bridge mode. It switches between client and AP mode with much shorter reboots then DD-WRT and has a smaller footprint.
So I recommend Thibor's for most users, and DD-WRT for those running hotspots or VOIP.
A few weeks ago, installed Tomato firmware 1.04 for my Buffalo WHR-G54S wireless router. (But I see now they have 1.05 available.)
So far, I've been blown away by the fantastic web interface and the rock-solid performance. It just freakin works without having to reboot the router every few weeks.
The web interface is simply amazing compared to what I've seen in other firmware. The QOS settings are a breeze to setup, too.
If you don't like Tomato, checkout other firmware projects like:
DD-WRT
FreeWRT
HyperWRT (official)
HyperWRT Thibor
OpenWRT
Tarifa
X-Wrt
I always wanted to run a custom Linux firmware on a Linksys WRT54G, but when I went to several stores, all I saw on the box was the model number, not the version number. Some versions are compatible, others have different hardware and are not, but all the boxes look the same. This is rather strange considering most versions (presumably the free software compatible ones) already run Linux by default! Why don't companies proudly advertise the fact that they run Linux and that it is hackable? Those are useful features! The same goes for zipit wireless messengers. All run Linux, but the manufacture released a new version that cryptographically locks out the ability to load the device with a custom firmware, so you need to modify the hardware if you want to use these neat and inexpensive little computers as pocket web browsers, ssh clients, ogg players, or other cool things like that. By default they are only useful as an IM device. Why do companies go out of their way to stop their users from improving their own hardware and in the long run, doing free development work for the company? Why don't corporations want essentially unpaid dedicated employees?
I also would love to have a media player that runs Rockbox, but various hardware is in different stages of rockbox support. It seams like there would be a significant market for products that advertise the fact that they work with free software firmwares right on the box. It's a shame that many industries view "proprietary" as a feature, as something developed uniquely and innovatively by one company. Anything proprietary should instead be suspect of being buggy because there is no way for the public to verify it's security, it probably has poor support for open standards, and it's probably feature limited and uncustomizable.
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Here's a working link to the article: http://weblog.infoworld.com/geeks/archives/2007/02 /beef_up_your_wi.html
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I just bought a Linksys WRT54GL on Friday (it hasn't been delivered yet, though). Part of the decision was that this line of routers enjoys such wide use, seems to be very well supported on the Internet both with the regular and alternative firmwares. I plan on using either DD-WRT or Tomato (OpenWRT seems a little more complicated with less features, but the difference is probably not big). Apart from what the article says (obvious and few things), does anyone have any advice for me, things I need to look out for or just really cool applications?
Axe me while I slumber
OpenWRT wasn't very practical. It only worked on really old hardware that wasn't in stores anymore. Even then, you needed exactly the right serial number revision. The serial numbers that worked were made in small quantities and virtually impossible to find. Flashed a Linksys access point and bricked it. There was no JTAG or bootloader on the router to recover it.
What's really needed is wireless router for desktop computers instead of attempts to reverse engineer Linksys routers just for the sake of being embedded.
Real Mac users don't use Macs for the image. Real Mac users didn't just buy their Macs last week at Hot Topic. We've been here on the Mac platform since 1984 and believe me, we hate the recent influx of switcheurs almost as much as we don't give a damn about PC users.
"8MB RAM and 2MB ROM ought to be enough for anybody."
*ducks*
Either order online from a retailer like Newegg that caries the Linux model of the Linksys router, or buy a non-Linksys that works with these firmwares like the Buffalo 802.11g models (most N stuff uses different hardware). You can find the Buffalo units at stores like Best Buy, and some of them are actually favored over the original Linksys units.
DD-WRT blows OpenWRT away! OpenWRT eats ass. It has a LOOOOOOOOOONG way to go before it even comes CLOSE to dd-wrt.
Just the facts.
Does it run linux? hehehe
Wait ... so, you've been on the Mac platform since the days when it consisted of drastically overpriced hardware, a proprietary, marginally stable cooperative-multitasking OS and a very expensive developer's toolkit? I'm guessing you weren't a geek at the time -- if you were, you'd've thrown up your hands in disgust, as I did, and moved to platform that at least offered a command line interface.
... do you want a cookie or a prize?
Congratulations on not being a geek, I guess
Having used both, OpenWRT is great for acting as a server for various things, while DD-WRT is great for using it primarily as an advanced router.
How nauseatingly narrowminded of you to assume that a geek can't have vision and good taste.
You, sir, are no geek but rather a dweeb. Congratulations on so being. I'd offer you a cookie, but you're fat and greasy enough already.
I think it had an article a year or so back, but those who have an old P2 or something collecting dust in their closet may want to consider m0n0wall, a FreeBSD based LiveCD that can turn your old PC into a commercial-grade router complete with firewall, traffic shaping, PPTP/IPSec, wake on LAN, and more. You don't need any experience with BSD to set it up, as pretty much everything can be done from the WebGUI it uses, no HDD is needed, you only use the LiveCD, and a floppy disk to store configuration data in xml, and using thumb drives instead of a floppy is planned for the next release (finally a use for that old 32 meg one in my junk drawer).
I'm extremely happy with it, I can game while my server is seeding a torrent, and my pings never suffer.
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction." - Blaise Pascal
I'm currently running HoTTProxy on my main PC behind my Linksys WRT54GS (which currently has the latest HyperWRT firmware), so that I can get "free" Internet access for my Verizon phones. It works just fine, but I'd love to offload that task to the router, because it seems like a logical thing for it to be doing, rather than the PC. I haven't successfully found any way of doing that. I've checked both the HyperWRT and DD-WRT forums. I see lots of references to Squid transparent proxy, but it doesn't sound like that's the solution to my problem. I also see TONS of stuff about VOIP, which I wish I had known before I sold my soul to Vonage, but that isn't what I'm looking for either.
Anyone have any knowledge if this is possible or not? I did see one post that said something about HTTP proxy servers being fairly memory intensive (at least for a router with a measly 16 MB RAM), and that it isn't worth doing it on a router, but I find it hard to believe that with all the crazy things they're doing with these Linux-based firmwares, that someone hasn't figured out how to do exactly that, for specifically that purpose.
I've used
-OpenWRT
-OpenWRT versions with GUI and tools (there are flavors that are geared towards DD-WRT type users)
-DD-WRT (Several versions)
-Linksys Native Firmware
All of these i've used in production environments and at home. The winner?
Tomato. Yup. It works be the best. It has the best QoS, and just performs better then anything else i've tried. Its one of the few UPnP based units that WORKS all the time with iChat and its needs. IT won't drop NAT relationship tables like DD-WRT loses a PPPoE link and hence screw up my VoIP/IAX connections for my phone systems. Its WDS wireless will stay up for months at a time or longer unlike DD-WRT's which breaks my AirTunes once in awhile.
The only negative is that Tomato does not yet include a VPN server/client of some short, but its the only shortfall. Its stable, works and has a powerful AJAX interface. You can apply changes to nearly anything without losing your PPPoE etc. Alot including DD-WRT just blindly reboot the entire unit if you so much as fart a configuration change.
For me, you say whatever, I say Tomato. It uses what linksys made work, and work well, and the rest is nothing but improvements. DD-WRT is not entirely open source anymore, with Pay Rich-Feature QoS only and a closed source GUI.
OpenWRT with its extensions (http://x-wrt.org/) or Tomato and id say tomato wins hands down out of box experience.
Check out Tomato's GUI demos on the website (flash videos)
Get a Buffalo Unit thats compatible or use the LInksys WRT54GL and enjoy.
http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato
http://x-wrt.org/
The article doesn't mention QoS, for me this was the main reason I got the wrt54g and openwrt. You can put traffic control on there and shape/limit the traffic going through. Together with the marking of packets from iptables this is a very powerful function only usually available on much more expensive kit.
I used it so I could play FPS without latency problems when other users were on the LAN. It would also really help out for VoIP.
I guess Linksys won't advertise this fact, which is a shame as it could make this a huge seller, partly because their supplied firmware doesn't support it and partly because they want to push people towards Cisco kit for this kind of functionality. Plus the average user probably isn't able to flash openwrt/dd-wrt onto the box and then write their own firewall/tc rulesets. Maybe someone should write a nice web frontend to TC and start reselling wrts with it installed....
Well, because it isn't free I will probably get modded down for this, but I have messed around with stuff like OpenWRT on a Linksys and although it was kind of neat, what I would do is ditch the Linksys and run Mikrotik's RouterOS on a RouterBoard or similar hardware. I'm not saying it is perfect, but the RouterOS platform, which based on Linux, along with a custom-built CLI, is the most advanced of any software I have ever looked at for a wireless AP.
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For those comparing DD-WRT to OpenWRT regarding ease of use - you should check out the webif^2 package for OpenWRT which brings ease of use to the nice OpenWRT backend.
Everything is controlled from a nicely organized GUI, from basic network setup to OpenVPN and chillispot .
Check it out : http://x-wrt.org/
I'm always wondering why Linksys, or their OEMs, or anybody, don't sell a 'naked' router, or 'micro PC' that runs linux, and by default doesn't do much more. Developing and maintaining the firmware must cost them money, and they don't earn any money by including nagware (like Dell does), so these naked, no-firmware micro PCs should actually be cheaper than the real ones. But all i can find online which comes close to "a Linksys router without an OS, so go ahead and hack the hell out of it" would be stuff like the Gumstix or Soekris devices, which all seem way more expensive than e.g. a basic, re-flashable Linksys router.
Does anybody know of someone selling a Linksys-router-class micro-PC, that easily exposes stuff like the internal serial port, has at least one USB port, and a Wifi-module plugged in? Imagine what a standard hackable platform like that could end up doing, if it were even cheaper than the "branded" devices, and and a guarantee that alternative firmwares like like OpenWRT ran on it!
I especially don't understand why Linksys for example has header-pins for a fullblown serial port on their boards, but don't include an external DB9 connector, at least on their 'hackable' -L model.
I believe he means to imply "We're smart enough to realise that more mac users means more mac viruses, and more mac newbies asking for advice."
Seriously everyone, stick with windows. I'm sure the brain hemorrhaging is good for the economy >:)
Wire it.
There are routers that do not allow flashing a custom firmware: However, most devices do have bugs in the webinterface that allows the owner to execute arbitrary shell code to circumvent this protection. Often, there a different approaches: The routers given away by FON (La Fonera) did have some web interface vulnerabilities, however FON fixed this in the latest firmware (0.7.1-2). They did not pay attention to their chillispot system: There is an attack vector that involves spoofing the FON radius server, in the tradition of the earlier hacks Grammofon and Fondue, this new hack (which works on all FON firmware versions) is called Kolofonium. It enables SSH access to the devices and by that allows further customization.
Life is just nature's way of keeping meat fresh.
Considering retail outlets should exaggerate the iPod's market share, not underestimate it!
iPods are much easier to pick up at a local retailer than the other brands, since the new models are in stock and priced about the same as online. I think you can even get them at Walmart!
On the other hand, if you buy one of the "other brands," at a store you pay significantly more than you would online, and you end up with an out of date model. Physical stores can't compete with online retailers for niche items, so data based on retail sales will be biased toward the big sellers (or toward companies that buy up shelf space...)
An extreme example of this is Cowon's iAudio. Feature for feature, they kick the pants off comparably priced iPod's. As far as I can tell, they're *only* available online, and get 0% of the retail market share in the "anti-iPod" studies considered by the article.
A question before I go out and buy one tomorrow.
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The article has such worthless gems as "Peer-to-Peer may be the domain of bootleggers, slackers and cheapskates today, but it probably will play an important part in the legal distribution of video in the not too distant future." "The jury is still out as to whether the problem is in the router itself, or due to ISP bandwidth throttling." Then concludes with the statement, all of the routers can handle your tiny pipes, and anyways, your just going to get sued if your router works too well.
My current router has regular problems after a few hours of chatting it up with fellow bittorrent users, it shuts down.
The only review I have found that seems to even touch on this subject was absolutely worthless, testing 100 connections from one PC to another for 1 minute. Which is absolutely not the conditions of P2P, for his test he didn't even run a p2p application! let alone run it for a couple days.
http://news.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/2584
Would the additional IP connections cure this problem? This is reason number one why I am buying a new router, I am sick of having to cycle the power on mine every couple of days. is this router/linux combo up to the task of lots of bittorent for days at a time?
Also, on an unrelated note, Does anyone know if its possible to run two security modes, One that is setup for insecure WEP and only allow my Nintendo DS and Wii on the network, and the other running a more secure network authentication.
Or would it be possible to run a Open access point, with throttled speeds, for my neighbors in my apartment building, and a closed access point with authentication that runs at full speed?
Or would the dual security modes be something I should setup with the two routers I will soon have?
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I can recommend the X-Wrt add-on suite for OpenWrt. It replaces the OpenWrt webif (web interface) with webif^2, which is much-improved. It adds a lot more control, many more options, real-time performance graphs, and all sorts of neat things. Installation was a single command, or you can do it via a web page.
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I do not like Microsoft. Remove them from my email address.
I've been looking into getting dd-wrt, but their forum seems catered more toward people who already know what they're doing, rather than newbies such as myself.
Does the GUI allow me to perform many of the advanced features, or do I need to be a linux pro and dive-in to the command-line?
Fuck you asshole.
This paper
http://eprint.iacr.org/2006/086.pdf
includes a section on openwrt and basically claims that you shouldn't trust it to provide good random numbers (and hence good network crypto security) because it doesn't have any of the standard sources of entropy (keyboard, mouse, harddrive) that linux servers have. Of course, it will likely be no worse than the standard firmware but that isn't really the point here.
I read a blog recently that questions the integrity of one of dd-wrt's developers. Apparently, the guy who calls himself brainslayer and who seems to have done most of the integration work (IINM), is now selling the work of others as his own. ... and other accusations. Read for yourself :
- to-exploit-free-open.html
http://xwrt.blogspot.com/2007/02/dd-wrt-continues
I'm not sure if there's anything wrong with it myself, but you might want to consider your options, if such things are important to you.
I'm using dd-wrt myself, and I'm looking at replacing it with Tomato, since dd-wrt's web server (the GUI) keeps locking up (logging into it wish ssh reveals httpd is using 100% CPU and killing it causes it to be relaunched). Also, I really don't need all the crap that's in the regular version of dd-wrt, so I'd move to the micro version of dd-wrt anyway, but since that will likely have the same httpd problem, I figure I might as well give Tomato a try.
Yeah, you might care more about the httpd lockup than the developer's integrity. Just a couple of things to consider. YMMV
Max.
It's also a bit easier to recover a Buffalo WHR-G54S from an accidental "bricking". The emergency TFTP bootloader is nearly impossible to damage.
Very useful info, thank you. I'll think I'll pick one up next time I need a router. Got a linksys monoculture springing up around me anyway...
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
you're right, gl is basically an old g model sold for more $$.
newer g models have degraded specs for same price as old g ones.
you can imagine how "modders and hackers" loved that extra touch.
*yawn*
Monowall is cool, but I stopped considering those solutions to be equal to a small router when I started paying my own power bills. Anything with a fan and moving parts is going to cost a lot to power, and is going to be much noisier than a basic wireless router.
http://www.bullshitbingo.net/cards/bullshit/ :-)
Take a look at FreeWRT! http://www.freewrt.org/ No web interface for the target, but a nice Web 2.0 web interface to create firmware images without any compiler: http://wib.freewrt.org/
http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato
AJAX based, real time traffic charts, more options, much more robust QOS configuration, ability to run your own scripts, auto mounting of external network volumes, and the options go on and on.
I have nothing bad to say about this firmware, at all.
I use DD-Wrt, and am very impressed with how solid, stable, flexible, and easy-to-use it is.
Some examples of its versatility:
When I first moved into my new house, I had no internet, so I shared my neighbors; in this case, I configured it as a repeated for the same wireless network. It invisibly acted as another node/booster for this network for my house, working beautifully and seamleslsy.
When I finally did get internet, the telco's router had built-in wireless, so I didn't need my Linksys/DD-Wrt box for the local gateway. I started using it in "client mode", as a handy "wireless card" for ethernet enabled items. I hook it up to my gamecube's Broadband Adapter to get it wirelessy on the network. Most of the time, I use it as a wireless gateway for my network printer. I'm finding it incredibly useful as a wireless enabler for anything with ethernet.
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
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Someone forgot to take their meds?
I`ve not gone thru the list yet of kit that works - but when i looked at this before it was for wireless routers that you use with cable connections.
I`m moving house soon to a non-cabled street and so i`m gonna need a new ADSL wireless router...
Anyone know of any that you can flash?
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Firefox IS a decent Mac application. Actually, it's an excellent Mac application.
Command-Control-Shift-4-Space is way better than either one of those.
No one uses Clarus when we have the opportunity to use the NeoOffice beta, which is awesome.
If any of those kids have been using Macs for more than 4 years I will EAT MY FUCKING MACBOOK PRO.
And anything OS X 10.2 sucked nads. Welcome to the real world, asshole.
+++ATH0
huh? that sounds like it's worth quite a bit to me!
Firefox is a horrible literal-minded port of a PC application. No OS X integration. Ugly. Bloated. Slow.
Further fail for NOT KNOWING WHO CLARUS IS.
I thought you were misspelling "Claris."
No, instead you were referring to the dogcow. FUCK MOOF.
What does "OS X integration" MEAN? It's a BROWSER, you silly little freak. How much "integration" do you want? Camino is buggy and shitty and none of Firefox's plugins for for it.
I've already achieved complete and total victory over you for knowing Cmd-Ctrl-Shift-4-Space when you didn't. You've lost. Just slit your wrists and die, emo kid. And remember, it's down the street, not across the block!
Learn to use your Mac like a real nerd or go home. If you don't always have a Terminal window open, you've already failed.
GNAA 4 LYFE
+++ATH0
Look @ this idiot Star LOSER trying to sound like some *expert*... lol!
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/. StarLOSER, realize something: You shot your dimwitted mouth off again, & have been outthought as usual. You have to live with running from a simple question in that url link above. Cowardly losers and big talkers like you are used to that I imagine).
Ok then: It is possible that StarLOSER's dyslexic defective brain made it so he probably couldn't read the text in the url below, so let's state it in 2 yr. old's terms for him, once more & so you all can see it and ridicule this pitiful effete cowardly 'talker':
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=227563&thresh
Why won't you answer that question StarLOSER, since you shot your mouth off there to others about it regarding actual experts in this field, well, what have you done better than either has in this field for more than a decade?
Truth hurt?? hahahahahaha... What a loser you are StarKruzr: Actually proud of trolling others as you stated in replies to that url above, but avoiding answering the question. StarLOSER: The * great troll * of Slashdot!
Most of all, the best part of this is, that You have to post here not I, & live with the fact you got OWNED, in front of everyone else here for it no less.
(From now on, everytime you come in here to
StarKruzr likes to call others names and claim victory over others? Don't worry poster, because you're going to find this amusing! See here:
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http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=227563&thr
He got his braggadocio, and his no accomplishments student status in this field of endeavour (for accomplishing nothing of note in this field no less vs. others he tries to cut down but does not have a pot to piss in himself) shoved down his own bigmouth throat there above in that url, and he lost badly for it when others advised him to give up and I agreed. So much for his *invincibility* and status + credibility as a critic out here on this website!
Time for a bit of an assessment of my own, since StarKruzr often likes to hand these out to others since he is a critic: StarKruzr isn't intelligent at all! As shown in the url above, StarKruzr is very simple to take apart in debate, because of his contradictions and lack of status or credibility in this field since he is only a student and has done nothing of worth we can test or use online either, much less lacking professional experience in this arena.
StarKruzr will then, as he has in reply to yourself here poster whom he is calling names and what not, often resort to name calling and pot calling the kettle black tactics as well as spelling and grammar checks ontop of it, and can't spell worth a damn himself, when he is in trouble (that he starts for himself no less).
Example? Ask him what exactly "roofles" is in his latest posts this week, on top of other unintelligble blatherings he used in post thread titles for instance this week. Ask him that, and then see him struck speechless, or attempt to "seem the innocent" ontop of other effete evasions and deceits there in that url as well, or worse such as his name calling (he is that "iron man on the internet behind his keyboard reality distortion field" lol).
StarKruzr allegedly stated he just lost his girlfriend supposedly, and judging by his mentality? Is there any doubt why??
This is the best he has to offer, his own misery.
To top everything else off, StarKruzr thinks I am someone called apk and this is doubtless his own problem, some sort of paranoid delusion, but not without warrant, since he likes to earn enemies, in & of itself a foolish move, along with starting up fights.
StarKruzr brings it on himself as you can see from the url posted above in my reply here for your reference. If StarKruzr ever gives anyone else a tough time, just post that url, and cool his jets, easily. He needs a dose of humility as well as intelligence. I would guess he is a spoiled little brat that got his way with his poor parents via complaining and doesn't realize the real world (especially in this field, professionally, which he has no clue about yet mind you) does not work that way. He is in for one hell of a shock.