Getting an education is not the same thing as getting job training.
College has long been downgraded to job training for most students and parents. Most do not know the difference, nor care. They want job training.
For a person of high intelligence, who can learn on their own, who has an interest in learning and who is ALSO a self starter like Jobs getting an education his way is fitting.
I wouldn't advise that the average student who doesn't know what the difference between education and job training is( or one who is not a self starter ) to do the same.
A lot of alternative fashions seem to be only fashions. A look without a concrete statement behind it.
Clothes reflect who a person is - the lives they lead.
If a person works in an office/I.T. job most of their waking hours, shops at super fresh, and goes home to the suburb/condo/townhouse they are not different...even if they have tats, piercings, dance at different clubs etc.
Maybe that is why some people feel oppressed by dress codes. They like to think of themselves as being different, but they know they aren't and taking away the fashion makes them face this.
Having said that, I do think some of the attitudes in this thread are overly hard assed and tight.
I say that and I wore real pants and real shirt even during the dot.com boom.
Okay, I wore ( and still wear ) tennis shoes with all of that, but I don't pretend that is about anything. Shoes just hurt my feet.
I remember another article on slashdot, perhaps a year that said there was a surprisingly new kind of Mac fan: hardcore hackers.
Why?
They did not have to spend their time futzing with mundane issues, but they had all the goodies of unix to hack(futz) with on things that interested them.
Before people slam microsoft for this please remember that there have been articles on slashdot about google agreeing censor the Chinese version of their web site.
There have also been articles on slashdot about Google's news site using an algorithm to "randomly" pick sources for news articles that was discovered to be biased toward "randomly" picking conservative sources. There has yet to be a response from google on either issue.
I HATE M$ with a passion and I like google's products.
I am making this point because people with biases similar to my own will tend to be dismissive of google's nasty corporate behavior but they will also tend to magnify microsoft's infractions.
All I remember is that Darth Vader's mom and he were slaves. Darth Vader gets taken away from tatoonie by Obi Wan and his Master. When he comes back to look for his mother he finds her being held by sand people or some other humnoid. He gets pissed and kills them.
I don't remember seeing anything about moisture farmers or half brothers.
- in the first prequel mention of other relatives on tatoonie was never made. If there were releatives why didn't they try to get darth vader and his mom out of slavery?
- Obi Wan is OLD, in the first Star Wars, but none of the Jedi are that old in the prequels. I guess their lifestyle contributes to them getting killed off.
I had a rather embarrassing incident with a boss of mine who is a "java architect".
He made me a design for a program he wanted. No offense ( if he is reading ), but it wasn't a design, it was psudeo code down to the micro level. Telling me how many times to process a loop. No kidding.
My boss told me he spent a lot of time thinking about the design. He is an intelligent person and he knows java.
However, once I got started I just kept seeing problems. I didn't know how to say anything without offending him. "Um, a design is a blueprint, not the program written in psuedo code that you want me to translate into real code ".
I made two copys of the program. The first to the original design and the second as to my own thoughts ( no design -- like your brick layers ).
My program was less then half the lines of code and took about 1/3 of the time to do the job.
I wasn't familiar with the problem to be solved and he was. I still can't figure out why mine came out better. He is smart, knows design etc. I do not.
Some class libraries I have seen have good nomeclature, simple design, and good ( good does not necessarily equal volumious, and/or pdf files ) documentation.
Easy to find stuff and easy to use stuff.
That is not true for many libraries.
Think about finding a C library function you want by purpose...or an elisp library function you want by name.
This is a matter of splitting hairs that people will not come to agreement on, but for my money the statement "windows has a korn shell for its CLI" would mean that it comes installed and enabled with windows by default.
I think like that because the reality of supporting something on a windows box, usually means supporting something on someone else's box.
In that situation I can't "just run a command, or run a script".
I would need to download and install something first, if I had that option.
In the end it comes down to the cli for windows being that crappy little command window with what is essentially a castrated version of dos bat.
I suggest, in turn, that you take off your "ms basher basher" hat, think about what I said and about what you wrote.
What you referr to is beta software and beta software that does not ship installed with windows.
So, it comes down to the situation that if you need to deal with someone's window box your CLI is still a tiny shell window with what is essentially a castrated version of dos bat.
I remember reading years ago on slashdot noise from microsoft that they were interested in wooing serious network people by implementing the korn shell for windows.
Well, where is that?
Windows also has the windows scripting host. Will this new CLI consolidate that and batch code? If not it should, as well improving both.
The CLI for windows is horrible. Someone jokingly posted a link for cygwin, but that is what I use on my work box.
If MS improved the CLI for windows and the scripting abilities I would use it.
It would be good news.
However, until I actually see it implemented I am regarding it as vapor ware and the latest noise from the MS executives version of WWF trash talk.
As someone else already mentioned this drum is beaten when something good has to be said. How would people feel if this guys word said that white men of european christian decent tended to be less intelligent, of a smaller penis size or both?
The point that the original poster was trying to make that eventhough impartial scientific evidence abounds about genetics making a difference it is a social taboo to talk about these differences in regards to humans.
I agreed with him adding the point that one of these reasons taboos exist is that people do not, unfairly, want to labeled a certain way due to membership in a group.
This reason for the taboo has existed for centuries before the 3rd reich and separtley from intentional eugenics.
On the one hand, we as people can talk endlessly about the virtues of various breeds of dogs, but apply the concept to people is taboo.
One of the reasons is that it is taboo is that no one wants to be labeled by someone else as "less then".
Another related taboo against this...a legitimate one in my book, is that no one wants to be labeled as "less then" unfairly.
Specially bred dogs have breeders, with a thorough breeding history of his/her puppies going back generations. He/she will give you a certificate and you can be fairly certain of what you will get from that puppy as an adult.
However, humans, like that lovable dog from the pound are mutts ( with the exception of certain royal families).
Even within a subgroup, there is no breeder and no breeding history that will give you a good idea of what a child will grow up to be like.
Even with isolated subgroups of people breeding is still not a good indicator with humans what a child will grow up into.
Unlike specially bred dogs, humans can ( I am not saying they do ) respond to their environment outside of their instincts. They can change their behavior to compensate for things they are born with or they can invent things to do away with their shortcomings.
So, yes, it is taboo to talk about breeding in regards to people, but it is not entirely hypocritical since the group a person was born into doesn't tell the whole story and people being people will use that information wrongly.
Dogs, specially bred or not, will not jump to conclusions about other dogs based on breeding.
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They don't have to do business in China.
Values are only values when you are willing to give something up for them.
Dude, slashdot says you are replying to my post.
If there is a connection between what you wrote and what I wrote please explain it to me.
Like everyone else I cracked a joke about this,but it had to be a painful thing for this guy to do.
He gave a lot to the open source community, probably taking a lot of abuse in the process.
Now, he is taking care of himself.
What a wonderful I.T. world it would be if even 1/8 of all new M$ employees had to make a major contribution to OS before joinging MS.
I would like to convey my best wishes to him in his future.
Please ignore the slashdot-holes
My comment in an earlier and similar thread:c id=12794325
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Getting an education is not the same thing as getting job training.
College has long been downgraded to job training for most students and parents. Most do not know the difference, nor care. They want job training.
For a person of high intelligence, who can learn on their own, who has an interest in learning and who is ALSO a self starter like Jobs getting an education his way is fitting.
I wouldn't advise that the average student who doesn't know what the difference between education and job training is( or one who is not a self starter ) to do the same.
Insert the obligatory joke/analogy to Anakien Skywalker/Darth Vader and/or Star Trek Borg assimilating dude here_______
A lot of alternative fashions seem to be only fashions. A look without a concrete statement behind it.
Clothes reflect who a person is - the lives they lead.
If a person works in an office/I.T. job most of their waking hours, shops at super fresh, and goes home to the suburb/condo/townhouse they are not different...even if they have tats, piercings, dance at different clubs etc.
Maybe that is why some people feel oppressed by dress codes. They like to think of themselves as being different, but they know they aren't and taking away the fashion makes them face this.
Having said that, I do think some of the attitudes in this thread are overly hard assed and tight.
I say that and I wore real pants and real shirt even during the dot.com boom.
Okay, I wore ( and still wear ) tennis shoes with all of that, but I don't pretend that is about anything. Shoes just hurt my feet.
I remember another article on slashdot, perhaps a year that said there was a surprisingly new kind of Mac fan: hardcore hackers.
Why?
They did not have to spend their time futzing with mundane issues, but they had all the goodies of unix to hack(futz) with on things that interested them.
Before people slam microsoft for this please remember that there have been articles on slashdot about google agreeing censor the Chinese version of their web site.
There have also been articles on slashdot about Google's news site using an algorithm to "randomly" pick sources for news articles that was discovered to be biased toward "randomly" picking conservative sources. There has yet to be a response from google on either issue.
I HATE M$ with a passion and I like google's products.
I am making this point because people with biases similar to my own will tend to be dismissive of google's nasty corporate behavior but they will also tend to magnify microsoft's infractions.
Wow, I missed a lot.
All I remember is that Darth Vader's mom and he were slaves. Darth Vader gets taken away from tatoonie by Obi Wan and his Master. When he comes back to look for his mother he finds her being held by sand people or some other humnoid. He gets pissed and kills them.
I don't remember seeing anything about moisture farmers or half brothers.
I guess I need to see the film again.
- in the first prequel mention of other relatives on tatoonie was never made. If there were releatives why didn't they try to get darth vader and his mom out of slavery?
- Obi Wan is OLD, in the first Star Wars, but none of the Jedi are that old in the prequels. I guess their lifestyle contributes to them getting killed off.
The more you ask people to read the less people will read.
Even I.T. people.
I like your continuation of my analogy.
I found the "new engineer" part interesting.
I had a rather embarrassing incident with a boss of mine who is a "java architect".
He made me a design for a program he wanted. No offense ( if he is reading ), but it wasn't a design, it was psudeo code down to the micro level. Telling me how many times to process a loop. No kidding.
My boss told me he spent a lot of time thinking about the design. He is an intelligent person and he knows java.
However, once I got started I just kept seeing problems. I didn't know how to say anything without offending him. "Um, a design is a blueprint, not the program written in psuedo code that you want me to translate into real code ".
I made two copys of the program. The first to the original design and the second as to my own thoughts ( no design -- like your brick layers ).
My program was less then half the lines of code and took about 1/3 of the time to do the job.
I wasn't familiar with the problem to be solved and he was. I still can't figure out why mine came out better. He is smart, knows design etc. I do not.
Good point.
Some class libraries I have seen have good nomeclature, simple design, and good ( good does not necessarily equal volumious, and/or pdf files ) documentation.
Easy to find stuff and easy to use stuff.
That is not true for many libraries.
Think about finding a C library function you want by purpose...or an elisp library function you want by name.
Good thought, but the implications you mentioned I get with "software engineer".
The problem in a nutshell, going with the analogy is that programmers are not architects.
They are brick layers and the guys who put in the pipes.
Imagine a house, built without a design as brick layers and guys who lay piples making it up as they go along.
This is a matter of splitting hairs that people will not come to agreement on, but for my money the statement "windows has a korn shell for its CLI" would mean that it comes installed and enabled with windows by default.
I think like that because the reality of supporting something on a windows box, usually means supporting something on someone else's box.
In that situation I can't "just run a command, or run a script".
I would need to download and install something first, if I had that option.
In the end it comes down to the cli for windows being that crappy little command window with what is essentially a castrated version of dos bat.
I suggest, in turn, that you take off your "ms basher basher" hat, think about what I said and about what you wrote. What you referr to is beta software and beta software that does not ship installed with windows. So, it comes down to the situation that if you need to deal with someone's window box your CLI is still a tiny shell window with what is essentially a castrated version of dos bat.
I remember reading years ago on slashdot noise from microsoft that they were interested in wooing serious network people by implementing the korn shell for windows.
Well, where is that?
Windows also has the windows scripting host. Will this new CLI consolidate that and batch code? If not it should, as well improving both.
The CLI for windows is horrible. Someone jokingly posted a link for cygwin, but that is what I use on my work box.
If MS improved the CLI for windows and the scripting abilities I would use it.
It would be good news.
However, until I actually see it implemented I am regarding it as vapor ware and the latest noise from the MS executives version of WWF trash talk.
- who pays for the studies will matter, always
- scientists are humans they grow up with biases
As someone else already mentioned this drum is beaten when something good has to be said. How would people feel if this guys word said that white men of european christian decent tended to be less intelligent, of a smaller penis size or both?
The reactions might be different
The point that the original poster was trying to make that eventhough impartial scientific evidence abounds about genetics making a difference it is a social taboo to talk about these differences in regards to humans.
I agreed with him adding the point that one of these reasons taboos exist is that people do not, unfairly, want to labeled a certain way due to membership in a group.
This reason for the taboo has existed for centuries before the 3rd reich and separtley from intentional eugenics.
I agree with you totally.
On the one hand, we as people can talk endlessly about the virtues of various breeds of dogs, but apply the concept to people is taboo.
One of the reasons is that it is taboo is that no one wants to be labeled by someone else as "less then".
Another related taboo against this...a legitimate one in my book, is that no one wants to be labeled as "less then" unfairly.
Specially bred dogs have breeders, with a thorough breeding history of his/her puppies going back generations. He/she will give you a certificate and you can be fairly certain of what you will get from that puppy as an adult.
However, humans, like that lovable dog from the pound are mutts ( with the exception of certain royal families).
Even within a subgroup, there is no breeder and no breeding history that will give you a good idea of what a child will grow up to be like.
Even with isolated subgroups of people breeding is still not a good indicator with humans what a child will grow up into.
Unlike specially bred dogs, humans can ( I am not saying they do ) respond to their environment outside of their instincts. They can change their behavior to compensate for things they are born with or they can invent things to do away with their shortcomings.
So, yes, it is taboo to talk about breeding in regards to people, but it is not entirely hypocritical since the group a person was born into doesn't tell the whole story and people being people will use that information wrongly.
Dogs, specially bred or not, will not jump to conclusions about other dogs based on breeding.
Humans do.
LOL!
If 2000 was a security failure what can possibly be said about XP?