If you could replicate a yacht or a ferrari as easily and as fast as you can a digital file, we would all have yachts and ferraris coming out of our asses.
Oh stop. You would be amazed at how many people do not know this. Ask the average person how photons work and they wont know. Hell most wont even know what a photon is.
Even those that do, may not realize how to control light and exposure through manipulating light... so its not as common knowledge as you suggest with your snark attack;)
Are there combination cameras then? I've only seen the data, not the cameras... Basically the point clouds had vertex colors assigned to them which when assembled they are in a sense pixel data.. cause the resolution is so high.
Everything you said is true and a good addition to what I wrote.
Although the optical slave comment... While its true that an built in flash can trigger remote flashes via optical response, the Nikon CLS and Canon ETTL require a Nikon SB800 or a Canon 580EX II to control the remote flashes if you're talking CLS and ETTL. The reason is because ETTL (I'm more experienced with as I shoot canon so I'll talk about ETTL).. The reason is ETTL transmit exposure settings via an infrared transmitter in front of the 580EX II. This is what canon considers ETTL, which is basically the camera metering the exposure with your + or - flash exposure compensation, and the correct flash power is then transmitted via the infrared transmitter on the "Master" flash which is a 580ex II mounted in the hot shoe. This sends the proper metering to the other flashes so that they do not over expose.
The classical optical slave as you mentioned, does not transmit exposure data. The remote flashes simply respond to a sudden burst of light coming from another flash. This is a problem in areas where other people are taking photos. Now a days everyone has a camera and a flash on it. That would trigger your flashes using the old optical way. So now everything requires a Nikon Speedlight or a Canon Speedlight to act as a Master controller mounted on the camera... because they communicate via infrared.
Most people though now use radio triggers. They're expensive but they're an absolute must. They do not have the range issues of infrared, and they always trigger, where as infrared is range limited and is limited to line of sight with the master flash. Radio triggers can be anywhere... and at very large distances.
And yeah those black ceilings sap the light out of everything:) hehehe Most music photos are available light as a result... stage lighting helps with it so you do have lighting usually available there already.... hopefully its good lighting;)
I shoot mostly studio stuff though, on locations... so mostly lugging around studio lights, or speed lights with radio triggers and soft boxes etc. I have a group of 580EX II when I dont want to use bigger strobe units... and they're great. They work great with radio triggers etc.
Also one note with radio triggers.... ETTL doesnt work with radio triggers but really if you're using radios, you're in the deep end and really dont need to rely on any automatic features in cameras. First thing I do is go right to manual, or Shutter or Aperture priority modes on a camera. The automatics rarely get anything right especially when you toss lighting into the mix because the cameras dont know how much light the flashes will add to the exposure. It does with ETTL though... which can be nice at times if you have no time for crafting a shot.
Pretty much. Which ever way he was orienting it has to do with how the photographer decided to capture his exposure.
Some people think attaching various things to their flashes directly like that, make a difference. It only helps if you're angling light away from direct line of sight from the lens viewpoint. There are various plastic things sold on the market that dont do much, but claim to do amazing things. Generally it comes down to small light sources on the camera axis do not generate pleasing images unless they are rotated to bounce light off a larger surface area that then bounces light from an angle off camera axis. This makes the light come from the side for example... and it will be soft and pleasing rather than have that direct on camera flash look that looks like a deer caught in headlights.
Although technically headlights arent on camera axis. They are to the left and right.. and that even helps a bit to make something look good;)
Typical flash photos taken by the average person who does not know lighting or much about cameras at all.... all have that head on flash look. You've seen it a million times. Its not appealing artistically, and the professionals avoid it at all costs.
There are some exceptions, for example... when you cant avoid it. Where getting the shot is more important than how artistically pleasing it is. This is why cameras come with flashes built in... because its VERY hard for a camera to expose an image in natural light without blurring and smearing due to low shutter speeds required to capture natural light in most indoor settings. A flash on the camera is the only way to capture an acceptable indoor shot for the average person because most people do not understand how a camera works. Indoor photos without a flash is generally very hard to do and require very expensive fast lenses, high isos, low shutter speeds and stabilization.
Its challenging enough for pros... so thats why most cameras come with those little flashes. The average person would be very disappointed with their cameras if they didnt have those flashes because indoor exposures are not really possible in poor lighting. Pros can do it but it there are trade offs. Its always best to work with additional lighting.
Well you could have one slide up from the top edge of the phone and them have it rotate freely. It would probably be very fragile and too weak to illuminate a room well enough to make a big difference. Its tricky because the iphone itself is such a power hungry device... too many flashes could seriously hurt your phone battery time.
The lidar stuff is amazing.. It picks up positional and color data in point clouds if i'm not mistaken... I've seen some amazing things used for special fx shots etc... large scans of out door buildings from helicopters etc... amazing stuff.
Well it depends on which flash you're talking about.
If you're talking about the flash that comes built in on a Canon EOS Slr... The one that "pops up"... That is as worthless an Iphone flash, as it can not be aimed.
But if you're talking about a Canon 550EX Flash, which is an expensive professional grade small flash unit that mounts into the "Hot shoe" on top of the Canon EOS SLR... Those flashes can be rotated in just about every direction, including aiming it behind you... Those types of flashes are much more versatile than the "pop up" flash that comes built into the camera.
The reason is based on the physics of light.
If you've ever seen a studio photography setup, you will notice that none of the lights are attached to the camera. (Although sometimes there will be a ring flash attached to the camera.. this is a special effect I'll ignore to keep this simple)
I'm sure you've seen studio lights where theres a light thats aimed into an umbrella. This is a classic studio photography cliche that you probably have seen once in your life.
The reason you do that, is because the flash unit itself is a small light source. Small light sources cast hard shadows. If you look at most fashion photography, you will rarely if ever see a hard shadow, because hard shadows are unflattering. Hard shadows show all of the imperfections in a persons skin, and often occlude harshly areas of your subject.
So by aiming the flash into an umbrella... you are basically turning a small light source into a large light source. The reason this works is because light photons bounce from surface to surface and decrease at an exponential rate.
Firing a bright small flash into a large white surface, such as an umbrella... illuminates the umbrella and then that umbrealla becomes a source of light that casts SOFT shadows. Soft shadows, soften imperfections in skin, can fill and blend with existing light very well, and generally looks better.
So small light source = hard shadows and large light source = soft shadows. There are other fancier devices other than umbrellas. There are things called soft boxes, where instead of bouncing light off the umbrealla, you are actually shooting the light through a large transparent white surface that is encased to keep light from escaping in directions you do not want. So the lgiht only transmits out that transparent white surface... thus enlarging teh light and creating a more directional soft shadow effect. This is is the tool of choice of every studio photographer. Umbrellas work well, but soft boxes are better because they contain light and only emit it out the front. An umbrella will leak light all over your room, but it will soften the light.
ANYWAYS. I'm getting too much into this;)
But basically an after market flash such as a Canon 550EX allows you to position the flash so that you can aim it at large surfaces around your subject, while still being attached to your camera. A pop up flash only fires in one direction... straight ahead.
An interesting thing to try if you do not own a real flash... is to simply take some kind of card, perferably white, or even better, take a piece of cardboard and wrap it in tin foil.... Now hold that card just under that pop up flash on the camera... and angle it so that it directs the light towards the ceiling. Now take a picture. You will be amazed at how more appealing it is, compared to just taking a photo with the pop up flash aimed directly at your subject. The reason is, by aiming the flash at the ceiling, you're using the ceiling as a light source, and not your flash. You've turned a small light source, into a large one, by bouncing that light off the ceiling which then bounces around the room... and eliminates the hard shadow of the pop up flash.
You mean a small LCD array that pops out and away from the back of the phone and angles? Its possible sure... but still limited in mobility and it would be the first thing to break on the iphone
That would be a hell of a powerful camera. The tech exists... I've seen large scale scanning solutions that are amazing but... i doubt apple will ever bundle that into a tiny phone...
The problem is the scan data is often extremely high resolution point data... that has to be triangulated into surfaces and then light would have to be calculated off that etc. The power to do that in real time, makes it unrealistic on a tiny phone at any reasonable cost for mass markets. I think it would be wiser to just learn how to light things:) Its not that hard once you understand how light works. Computers generally suck at automatic exposures anyway.
well its stuck on the back of the phone. You cant aim the flash without aiming the stupid iphone camera in the direction of the flash:)
Its not an SLR with a real flash... its a solid phone you hold in one direction with the lense and flash on the same plane no matter how you angle the damn thing.
How does this redirector work? the problem with flashes on camera is that they are coming from the point of view of the photo. This creates rather unflattering light.
You can redirect a flash by aiming it, but its still coming from the same point in space as the camera. This isnt ideal or good either.
The best way is to get that flash off the camera... but if you cant, as would be the case with an iphone... it is best to bounce it by redirecting the flash onto a wall to the left, right if you can, or ceiling. Generally up and to the rigth and left work well, as it forces light to bounce off the wall, which in effect makes the wall a large light source.
The problem with the flash being on the phone is that it is still a small light source. Small light sources cast hard shadows. This redirector wont change that, unless it can bounce light off a surface such as a wall. Which i dont see it doing as it has limited mobility being stuck in the back of the iphone. Generally with higher end camera flashes, you can rotate them in 360 degrees left to right and have a large up and down range of movement so you can point it right at the ceiling. you cant do that with an iphone.
We'll see.
Sounds like a cute gimmick for camera novices, but not a new solution to anything other than perhaps interface. Light is light.
I love Blu-Ray. I love having a physical copy of my movies, that have a higher bitrate and quality than those sent via Net Flix and iTunes.
I will ALWAYS side with owning a copy on disc, as long as the disc contains a superior quality product, and I can own my disc.
Be it movie, or game.... I want a physical version that I can load or unload onto my own media server as I see fit, or sell to someone else on a whim etc.
Downloadable services have their place, but none of them include ownership of the films. Games yes, but games are a complex issue as many of them require online servers to play. Unfortunately many games do not provide you with the server code, or the match making applications used by the game companies networks. This hurts classic gaming.
But I think people feel that since the government and corporations are one, and considering how corrupt our government is.... that its a bit of the old kettle and tea pot. In most situations concerning the people, corporations, and wealth are favored over what the people want. I think the little guy likes to know that he too deserves to fuck over the corporations and government who use law to fuck over the little guy constantly.
So here you have what probably makes sense and is fair in terms of law... but in the big picture of things.... Its just another oppressing law handed down by the wealthy elite who always get their way.
See I like you:) You're smarter than me. I'm just a professional artist who knows photography and 3d animation.:)
When we start getting into photons and the detailed science of it all.. I bow to you. My understanding of photons is on a simplistic level in terms of light accumulation, radiousity, angles, exposures etc as it relates to 3d rendering and photography so I'm certainly not the one to explain the science of it all... but I can help explain it in practical terms hehee
It honestly is all fascinating to me. I geek out on my own studies of art, anatomy, photography, animation, acting etc... but I have to draw the line somewhere... and photons and quantum mechanics are where I have to draw and line and say "uncle". It's amazing stuff.
I understand what you're saying... and you're right.... but I cant speak to it, as I bow gracefully to your more in depth knowledge:)
No doubt. The deck is stacked against us. Every roadblock has been put in place to demoralize Americans from bringing real change....
There is some change, and some of those politicians are playing the bullshit game to do GOOD for the people, just as many are playing the bullshit game to do BAD for the people.
I've voted third party before. Twice actually. Both for Ralph Nader, as he predicted and stood on a platform that has become entirely true 10+ years later. The Democrats have now adopted his message, although I doubt they are all as sincere as Ralph was/is.
There are weasels among us.... but as much as we shit on our government, and our stupid fox news's and cnns.... we must also recognize that in the end... the government is US. It is our voice. It just so happens that our voice has been taken from, thanks to corruption, greed... But the Government is OURS... just like your body is yours... and if you neglect to shave, shower or do regular upkeep... it gets dirty.
Well sure, when you use the threat of using overseas slavery.... that will go over well with the American people.
Every corporation could pull out of America if they want...
Is that what they want?
America will be fine without them. We'll rebuild ourselves without them, and take care of our people, and lock those corporations out of our country all together.
Is that what you want?:)
Being a hard ass can go both ways... and believe me... Nothing is more fun and exciting than our country (America) angry, and determined to say Fuck you as a united front.
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If you could replicate a yacht or a ferrari as easily and as fast as you can a digital file, we would all have yachts and ferraris coming out of our asses.
Its that simple.
Its not that people run JustinBiebernaked.exe... Its that they're downloading photoshop illegally :)
You know thats actually a brilliant idea...
The logistics of it maybe difficult but that feature would be very cool.
Word is they found his body standing up perfectly vertical on the segway as it balanced his corpse on the fly...
Oh stop. You would be amazed at how many people do not know this. Ask the average person how photons work and they wont know. Hell most wont even know what a photon is.
Even those that do, may not realize how to control light and exposure through manipulating light... so its not as common knowledge as you suggest with your snark attack ;)
Ah. I'm all canon, so I dont have much experience with Nikon, although I have used a a D300, my step mother owns one.
So the Nikon uses the flash to communicate? There is no infrared signal? Do the SB800/900s use infrared? Or is it all just flash to communicate?
This has to be the worst way to get free press for your product. But I'll give it to the man... He's dedicated.
http://www.pointools.com/ptedit_intro.php
This is the stuff I've seen... Pretty amazing data. I believe the parent company makes the hardware also.
Are there combination cameras then? I've only seen the data, not the cameras... Basically the point clouds had vertex colors assigned to them which when assembled they are in a sense pixel data.. cause the resolution is so high.
Everything you said is true and a good addition to what I wrote.
Although the optical slave comment... While its true that an built in flash can trigger remote flashes via optical response, the Nikon CLS and Canon ETTL require a Nikon SB800 or a Canon 580EX II to control the remote flashes if you're talking CLS and ETTL. The reason is because ETTL (I'm more experienced with as I shoot canon so I'll talk about ETTL).. The reason is ETTL transmit exposure settings via an infrared transmitter in front of the 580EX II. This is what canon considers ETTL, which is basically the camera metering the exposure with your + or - flash exposure compensation, and the correct flash power is then transmitted via the infrared transmitter on the "Master" flash which is a 580ex II mounted in the hot shoe. This sends the proper metering to the other flashes so that they do not over expose.
The classical optical slave as you mentioned, does not transmit exposure data. The remote flashes simply respond to a sudden burst of light coming from another flash. This is a problem in areas where other people are taking photos. Now a days everyone has a camera and a flash on it. That would trigger your flashes using the old optical way. So now everything requires a Nikon Speedlight or a Canon Speedlight to act as a Master controller mounted on the camera... because they communicate via infrared.
Most people though now use radio triggers. They're expensive but they're an absolute must. They do not have the range issues of infrared, and they always trigger, where as infrared is range limited and is limited to line of sight with the master flash. Radio triggers can be anywhere... and at very large distances.
And yeah those black ceilings sap the light out of everything :) hehehe Most music photos are available light as a result... stage lighting helps with it so you do have lighting usually available there already.... hopefully its good lighting ;)
I shoot mostly studio stuff though, on locations... so mostly lugging around studio lights, or speed lights with radio triggers and soft boxes etc. I have a group of 580EX II when I dont want to use bigger strobe units... and they're great. They work great with radio triggers etc.
Also one note with radio triggers.... ETTL doesnt work with radio triggers but really if you're using radios, you're in the deep end and really dont need to rely on any automatic features in cameras. First thing I do is go right to manual, or Shutter or Aperture priority modes on a camera. The automatics rarely get anything right especially when you toss lighting into the mix because the cameras dont know how much light the flashes will add to the exposure. It does with ETTL though... which can be nice at times if you have no time for crafting a shot.
Canon 580EX IIs are incredible units.
Pretty much. Which ever way he was orienting it has to do with how the photographer decided to capture his exposure.
Some people think attaching various things to their flashes directly like that, make a difference. It only helps if you're angling light away from direct line of sight from the lens viewpoint. There are various plastic things sold on the market that dont do much, but claim to do amazing things. Generally it comes down to small light sources on the camera axis do not generate pleasing images unless they are rotated to bounce light off a larger surface area that then bounces light from an angle off camera axis. This makes the light come from the side for example... and it will be soft and pleasing rather than have that direct on camera flash look that looks like a deer caught in headlights.
Although technically headlights arent on camera axis. They are to the left and right.. and that even helps a bit to make something look good ;)
Typical flash photos taken by the average person who does not know lighting or much about cameras at all.... all have that head on flash look. You've seen it a million times. Its not appealing artistically, and the professionals avoid it at all costs.
There are some exceptions, for example... when you cant avoid it. Where getting the shot is more important than how artistically pleasing it is. This is why cameras come with flashes built in... because its VERY hard for a camera to expose an image in natural light without blurring and smearing due to low shutter speeds required to capture natural light in most indoor settings. A flash on the camera is the only way to capture an acceptable indoor shot for the average person because most people do not understand how a camera works. Indoor photos without a flash is generally very hard to do and require very expensive fast lenses, high isos, low shutter speeds and stabilization.
Its challenging enough for pros... so thats why most cameras come with those little flashes. The average person would be very disappointed with their cameras if they didnt have those flashes because indoor exposures are not really possible in poor lighting. Pros can do it but it there are trade offs. Its always best to work with additional lighting.
Well you could have one slide up from the top edge of the phone and them have it rotate freely. It would probably be very fragile and too weak to illuminate a room well enough to make a big difference. Its tricky because the iphone itself is such a power hungry device... too many flashes could seriously hurt your phone battery time.
That is very true.
And they shouldnt be allowed to do that. Bouncing and aiming light has been apart of artistic illumination before cameras ever existed.
The lidar stuff is amazing.. It picks up positional and color data in point clouds if i'm not mistaken... I've seen some amazing things used for special fx shots etc... large scans of out door buildings from helicopters etc... amazing stuff.
Well it depends on which flash you're talking about.
If you're talking about the flash that comes built in on a Canon EOS Slr... The one that "pops up"... That is as worthless an Iphone flash, as it can not be aimed.
But if you're talking about a Canon 550EX Flash, which is an expensive professional grade small flash unit that mounts into the "Hot shoe" on top of the Canon EOS SLR... Those flashes can be rotated in just about every direction, including aiming it behind you... Those types of flashes are much more versatile than the "pop up" flash that comes built into the camera.
The reason is based on the physics of light.
If you've ever seen a studio photography setup, you will notice that none of the lights are attached to the camera. (Although sometimes there will be a ring flash attached to the camera.. this is a special effect I'll ignore to keep this simple)
I'm sure you've seen studio lights where theres a light thats aimed into an umbrella. This is a classic studio photography cliche that you probably have seen once in your life.
The reason you do that, is because the flash unit itself is a small light source. Small light sources cast hard shadows. If you look at most fashion photography, you will rarely if ever see a hard shadow, because hard shadows are unflattering. Hard shadows show all of the imperfections in a persons skin, and often occlude harshly areas of your subject.
So by aiming the flash into an umbrella... you are basically turning a small light source into a large light source. The reason this works is because light photons bounce from surface to surface and decrease at an exponential rate.
Firing a bright small flash into a large white surface, such as an umbrella... illuminates the umbrella and then that umbrealla becomes a source of light that casts SOFT shadows. Soft shadows, soften imperfections in skin, can fill and blend with existing light very well, and generally looks better.
So small light source = hard shadows and large light source = soft shadows. There are other fancier devices other than umbrellas. There are things called soft boxes, where instead of bouncing light off the umbrealla, you are actually shooting the light through a large transparent white surface that is encased to keep light from escaping in directions you do not want. So the lgiht only transmits out that transparent white surface... thus enlarging teh light and creating a more directional soft shadow effect. This is is the tool of choice of every studio photographer. Umbrellas work well, but soft boxes are better because they contain light and only emit it out the front. An umbrella will leak light all over your room, but it will soften the light.
ANYWAYS. I'm getting too much into this ;)
But basically an after market flash such as a Canon 550EX allows you to position the flash so that you can aim it at large surfaces around your subject, while still being attached to your camera. A pop up flash only fires in one direction... straight ahead.
An interesting thing to try if you do not own a real flash... is to simply take some kind of card, perferably white, or even better, take a piece of cardboard and wrap it in tin foil.... Now hold that card just under that pop up flash on the camera... and angle it so that it directs the light towards the ceiling. Now take a picture. You will be amazed at how more appealing it is, compared to just taking a photo with the pop up flash aimed directly at your subject. The reason is, by aiming the flash at the ceiling, you're using the ceiling as a light source, and not your flash. You've turned a small light source, into a large one, by bouncing that light off the ceiling which then bounces around the room... and eliminates the hard shadow of the pop up flash.
sounds fragile.
You mean a small LCD array that pops out and away from the back of the phone and angles? Its possible sure... but still limited in mobility and it would be the first thing to break on the iphone
That would be a hell of a powerful camera. The tech exists... I've seen large scale scanning solutions that are amazing but... i doubt apple will ever bundle that into a tiny phone...
The problem is the scan data is often extremely high resolution point data... that has to be triangulated into surfaces and then light would have to be calculated off that etc. The power to do that in real time, makes it unrealistic on a tiny phone at any reasonable cost for mass markets. I think it would be wiser to just learn how to light things :) Its not that hard once you understand how light works. Computers generally suck at automatic exposures anyway.
well its stuck on the back of the phone. You cant aim the flash without aiming the stupid iphone camera in the direction of the flash:)
Its not an SLR with a real flash... its a solid phone you hold in one direction with the lense and flash on the same plane no matter how you angle the damn thing.
How does this redirector work? the problem with flashes on camera is that they are coming from the point of view of the photo. This creates rather unflattering light.
You can redirect a flash by aiming it, but its still coming from the same point in space as the camera. This isnt ideal or good either.
The best way is to get that flash off the camera... but if you cant, as would be the case with an iphone... it is best to bounce it by redirecting the flash onto a wall to the left, right if you can, or ceiling. Generally up and to the rigth and left work well, as it forces light to bounce off the wall, which in effect makes the wall a large light source.
The problem with the flash being on the phone is that it is still a small light source. Small light sources cast hard shadows. This redirector wont change that, unless it can bounce light off a surface such as a wall. Which i dont see it doing as it has limited mobility being stuck in the back of the iphone. Generally with higher end camera flashes, you can rotate them in 360 degrees left to right and have a large up and down range of movement so you can point it right at the ceiling. you cant do that with an iphone.
We'll see.
Sounds like a cute gimmick for camera novices, but not a new solution to anything other than perhaps interface. Light is light.
Fuck you Sony, You removed the Other OS feature, now you remove USB support?
Why not remove video support too so no one can rip data via hdmi now that it is cracked?
Fucking shit. Sony. you suck a whores shit hole.
I love Blu-Ray. I love having a physical copy of my movies, that have a higher bitrate and quality than those sent via Net Flix and iTunes.
I will ALWAYS side with owning a copy on disc, as long as the disc contains a superior quality product, and I can own my disc.
Be it movie, or game.... I want a physical version that I can load or unload onto my own media server as I see fit, or sell to someone else on a whim etc.
Downloadable services have their place, but none of them include ownership of the films. Games yes, but games are a complex issue as many of them require online servers to play. Unfortunately many games do not provide you with the server code, or the match making applications used by the game companies networks. This hurts classic gaming.
I tend to agree....
But I think people feel that since the government and corporations are one, and considering how corrupt our government is.... that its a bit of the old kettle and tea pot. In most situations concerning the people, corporations, and wealth are favored over what the people want. I think the little guy likes to know that he too deserves to fuck over the corporations and government who use law to fuck over the little guy constantly.
So here you have what probably makes sense and is fair in terms of law... but in the big picture of things.... Its just another oppressing law handed down by the wealthy elite who always get their way.
See I like you :) You're smarter than me. I'm just a professional artist who knows photography and 3d animation. :)
When we start getting into photons and the detailed science of it all.. I bow to you. My understanding of photons is on a simplistic level in terms of light accumulation, radiousity, angles, exposures etc as it relates to 3d rendering and photography so I'm certainly not the one to explain the science of it all... but I can help explain it in practical terms hehee
It honestly is all fascinating to me. I geek out on my own studies of art, anatomy, photography, animation, acting etc... but I have to draw the line somewhere... and photons and quantum mechanics are where I have to draw and line and say "uncle". It's amazing stuff.
I understand what you're saying... and you're right.... but I cant speak to it, as I bow gracefully to your more in depth knowledge :)
No doubt. The deck is stacked against us. Every roadblock has been put in place to demoralize Americans from bringing real change....
There is some change, and some of those politicians are playing the bullshit game to do GOOD for the people, just as many are playing the bullshit game to do BAD for the people.
I've voted third party before. Twice actually. Both for Ralph Nader, as he predicted and stood on a platform that has become entirely true 10+ years later. The Democrats have now adopted his message, although I doubt they are all as sincere as Ralph was/is.
There are weasels among us.... but as much as we shit on our government, and our stupid fox news's and cnns.... we must also recognize that in the end... the government is US. It is our voice. It just so happens that our voice has been taken from, thanks to corruption, greed... But the Government is OURS... just like your body is yours... and if you neglect to shave, shower or do regular upkeep... it gets dirty.
Well sure, when you use the threat of using overseas slavery.... that will go over well with the American people.
Every corporation could pull out of America if they want...
Is that what they want?
America will be fine without them. We'll rebuild ourselves without them, and take care of our people, and lock those corporations out of our country all together.
Is that what you want? :)
Being a hard ass can go both ways... and believe me... Nothing is more fun and exciting than our country (America) angry, and determined to say Fuck you as a united front.