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Segway UK Boss Dies After Driving Off Cliff

necro81 writes "Jimi Heselden, the British multi-millionaire defense contractor and philanthropist, who bought the Segway company last December from inventor Dean Kamen, died yesterday after an accident while riding one of the machines. While using a ruggedized X2 version of the two-wheeled balancing scooter at his estate in North Yorkshire, he apparently drove over the edge of a precipice and into the River Wharfe. He was found later by a passerby and declared dead on the scene."

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  1. The Poor Guy! by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    He was last seen at the plant arguing with one of the engineers who had assured him the latest Segway was "uncrashable." He rode off muttering something about having the last laugh. Clearly he was a business and marketing genius but a bit of a lemming in day-to-day life.

    But in all seriousness, I'm very sorry for him and his family. If I didn't constantly encounter the damned things on sidewalks and in pedestrian spaces on the National Mall in DC I wouldn't be so quick to lampoon their maker's untimely demise.

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    1. Re:The Poor Guy! by Pojut · · Score: 5, Informative

      Note that the inventor of the Segway is Dean Kamen. This article is about Jim Heselden, the guy that bought the Segway company.

    2. Re:The Poor Guy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that the inventor of the Segway is Dean Kamen. This article is about Jim Heselden, the guy that bought the Segway company.

      So Heselden had manufacturing halted when he bought the company?

    3. Re:The Poor Guy! by xaxa · · Score: 4, Informative

      I initially didn't care much -- they call him a "defence contractor". But it seems he made his money from selling crates of earth to use in actual defences, rather than the rest of the "defence contractors" who make guns and bombs, and should really be called "offence contractors".

    4. Re:The Poor Guy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      It seems slashdotters have also stopped reading the summaries. Perhaps we need some kind of chapta system to check if posters have at least read that!

    5. Re:The Poor Guy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that the inventor of the Segway is Dean Kamen. This article is about Jim Heselden, the guy that bought the Segway company.

      Where did the OP say that Heselden is the inventor?

    6. Re:The Poor Guy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When did Pojut say that he did? He was merely pointing out that this guy is not the inventor.

    7. Re:The Poor Guy! by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      He did at least say "maker" and not "inventor"... It could be argued that the guy who runs the company responsible for their production at present day is their "maker", could it not?

    8. Re:The Poor Guy! by mspohr · · Score: 5, Informative
      There is some more information on the Telegraph web site: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businesslatestnews/8027896/Millionaire-Segway-owner-dies-in-freak-accident.html

      It appears that he was a miner who received a redundancy payment and used it to start a business making wire cages that were filled with earth to stabilize canal banks. The military found these useful for building blast walls in Iraq and bought a bunch of them. I'm sure he did well as a military contractor but that was not his business.

      Sad for the family.

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    9. Re:The Poor Guy! by sharkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...a bit of a lemming in day-to-day life.

      So foul play is suspected and Disney filmmakers are implicated?

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    10. Re:The Poor Guy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a Segway goes off a cliff, does it make a whoosh?
      eldavojohn said "their maker's untimely demise" NOT "their inventor's untimely demise". The seemingly hapless decedent owned the company that produces the sidewalk hogging personal transporter.

    11. Re:The Poor Guy! by couchslug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bystanders were alerted to his demise by the sound of "Yakety Sax" playing loudly as he approached the abyss.

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    12. Re:The Poor Guy! by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I guess so many submissions have been poorly summarised recently, one might almost forgive them.

    13. Re:The Poor Guy! by edittard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is paraphrasing the first sentence of the article (while attempting to contradict something that GP didn't actually say) modded informative?

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    14. Re:The Poor Guy! by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 4, Funny

      It seems slashdotters have also stopped reading the summaries. Perhaps we need some kind of chapta system to check if posters have at least read that!

      Please, anybody who won't even read a three sentence summary certainly won't read a whole chapta.

    15. Re:The Poor Guy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Nothing against you, but why is it that something that is clearly posted in the summary gets a +5 "Informative" mod when posted in the comments? I mean, this was stated in the first sentence:

      "Jimi Heselden, the British multi-millionaire defense contractor and philanthropist, who bought the Segway company last December from inventor Dean Kamen, died yesterday after an accident while riding one of the machines.

      The Slashdot moderation system is ridiculous. Is reading comprehension so low that we need to restate everything that has already been posted just so people will grasp it?

    16. Re:The Poor Guy! by drfishy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't help but think about my Roomba's "cliff sensors" to keep it from falling down the stairs - tough to incorporate into a transportation device I guess, especially an off-road one but still...

    17. Re:The Poor Guy! by skids · · Score: 1

      When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

      When all you have is a correction to a grapevine mistake, every comment looks like a grapevine mistake.

    18. Re:The Poor Guy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      chapta? hey buddah, didn't think any otha mainahs were heya on slashdot. We oughta hava BBQ out at spring point?

    19. Re:The Poor Guy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was a thoroughly decent chap by all accounts - shame. It's still funny though.

    20. Re:The Poor Guy! by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have some experience with these barriers- Every American base in Iraq uses thousands of them for building fortification.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesco_bastion

      You'd usually find a ring of them around a building, two deep, with an additional course laid on top of that. They are, as the wiki article mentions, "one of the less heralded life- and labor-saving devices of war" (among other uses).

      I felt pretty safe having them around.

      -b

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    21. Re:The Poor Guy! by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      So Heselden had manufacturing halted when he bought the company?

      Manufacturing != Inventing

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    22. Re:The Poor Guy! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why is paraphrasing the first sentence of the article (while attempting to contradict something that GP didn't actually say) modded informative?

      Here's how it works: most articles have 3-4 actual interesting facts in them. They get extracted and modded up so we don't have to read the article. That saves about 50,000 nerd-hours per day.

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    23. Re:The Poor Guy! by nloop · · Score: 1

      You read the first sentence of the post! Awesome! How about the second one, can you paraphrase that one for me?

    24. Re:The Poor Guy! by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Crystal-clear from Bob Dylan. I only wish he'd have out-sourced the singing so more people would have heard his message.

    25. Re:The Poor Guy! by daveime · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you'd taken the time to even read eldavojohn's post, you will not see the word INVENTOR anywhere.

      He said "maker", which as the owner of the company that NOW manufactures them, is TRUE.

      You assumed he'd said "inventor", called him out on it, then made yourself look stupid by posting anonymously to justify your mistake when you yourself were called on it.

      Congrats on that, good job.

    26. Re:The Poor Guy! by Private+Baldrick · · Score: 1

      I feel sad for his family as well. The guy was a magnificent patron to charities especially local ones in his area and Help For Heroes. He donated well above his weight from what I've read.

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    27. Re:The Poor Guy! by daem0n1x · · Score: 1

      I have only seen Segways being used by security guards in malls. I can't understand, people have the opportunity to exercise for free, but they chose to ride an expensive toy the whole day and have their arteries clogged with cholesterol. You can add to this the fact that security guards chain-smoke like there's no tomorrow.

      Fortunately, Segways are too expensive for the average guy in my country. In countries with high income like the US, I guess the Segs are commonplace, putting a few more percent in the obesity epidemic.

    28. Re:The Poor Guy! by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      Maybe he should have practiced more

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    29. Re:The Poor Guy! by edittard · · Score: 1

      That saves about 50,000 nerd-hours per day.

      And nothing of value was gained.

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    30. Re:The Poor Guy! by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      Let's say those things become so cheap and popular a lot of people end up using them. Should they be banned on sidewalks and other high-traffic areas? Yes, I know this is off-topic.

    31. Re:The Poor Guy! by nobodie · · Score: 1

      i am sorry but the Google add for this summary is for a segway touring company in CAlifornia and shows some boffins with helmets that have red fluff on top. I had to laugh, please god forgive me.

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  2. Man. by Pojut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...what a way to go out. Fitting, but jeebus...

    1. Re:Man. by fatphil · · Score: 4, Funny

      Double coincidence - "Jimi was chairman of Hesco Bastion Ltd, the world leading manufacturer of protective barriers"

      Hmmm, he didn't sell enough, clearly.

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    2. Re:Man. by mr_lizard13 · · Score: 1

      What a Seg-way to go out.

      There, fixed.

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    3. Re:Man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, he must be on a segway to heaven......

    4. Re:Man. by skids · · Score: 1

      Damn, that sure blows away my "never use the product, just deal it" joke.

  3. Before anyone says it: by Penguinisto · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please look up the definition of irony before posting anything with that particular word in it.

    (This especially includes all Sheryl Crow fans)

    Thanks in advance.

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    1. Re:Before anyone says it: by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 5, Funny

      Please look up the definition of irony before posting anything with that particular word in it.

      (This especially includes all Sheryl Crow fans)

      Ironically, you probably meant Alanis Morissette.

    2. Re:Before anyone says it: by hamburger+lady · · Score: 1

      is it ironic that you got the musician wrong?

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    3. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about Alanis Morissette fans?

    4. Re:Before anyone says it: by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      D'oh!

      Fair cop... my bad. :)

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    5. Re:Before anyone says it: by matt_wilts · · Score: 1

      Could have been worse, he could have been a spelling pedent.

    6. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see what you did there.

    7. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If reference.com indicates that we cannot call this ironic, then so much the worse for reference.com.

        (Dictionaries and the like do NOT define what words mean, and the only people who think they do have just never thought about the question that seriously)

    8. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please look up the definition of irony before posting anything with that particular word in it.

      (This especially includes all Sheryl Crow fans)

      Thanks in advance.

      "an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected."

      It's ironic, because a multi-millionaire defense contractor is expected to know the danger of cliffs.. right?

    9. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The word they shall all be looking for, is apropos.

    10. Re:Before anyone says it: by tom17 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not in itself. But if he was seriously trying to be ironic by doing so, then the fact that it was not ironic and in a post requesting correct usage of irony, was itself ironic.

    11. Re:Before anyone says it: by kevinNCSU · · Score: 1

      And yet people will probably continue to misuse the word as expected despite your efforts. Ironic isn't it?

    12. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      But it's important to uphold the principals, and not set a bad president.

    13. Re:Before anyone says it: by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hi. This is ironic and certainly contrary to what was expected. I don't see how you can claim otherwise.

      I buy the rights to a product. I intend to manufacture it and have it make me wealthy. Instead it kills me. This is irony.

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    14. Re:Before anyone says it: by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      That is pretty stretched logic. One might try to claim irony in the person who makes a device being killed by it, but although unexpected, these sorts are things are not actively contrary to expectations, at least when we don't expect the guy to have special knowledge that makes the device safer.

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    15. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Irony is subjective. Almost anything can be considered ironic or not based on a point of view.

      English is not a programming language.

    16. Re:Before anyone says it: by qoncept · · Score: 1

      Wow, I don't understand the difficulty with this word. I'm not sure in what context you expected it, but this scenario could VERY easily be described, in several ways, as ironic. Correct definition and all. I'll give you one example to get you started. If you can't think of any more, you definitely don't need to be judging anyone else's intelligence.

      Man killed by the very product he tried to breath life in to.

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    17. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See! That was the point! The ironic part is their is no irony in the song!

    18. Re:Before anyone says it: by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you imagine watching him post in slow-motion in a stage production, then the part where he started typing "Shery..." was a scene with dramatic irony, because the audience knew he was about to complete a tragic error, whereas the character himself was unaware.

    19. Re:Before anyone says it: by lul_wat · · Score: 1

      Verb
      pedent
      1. third-person plural present active subjunctive of ped.

      Yes it could have been a lot worse

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    20. Re:Before anyone says it: by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Funny
      Must ... not ... correct. Know it ... was ... intentional, must NOT ...

      Where's the duc[tk] tape? My head's gonna blow.

    21. Re:Before anyone says it: by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      I just LOOOOOOOOVE the fact that I can click anywhere on that site other than the text of the definition itself and find myself at the sponsor's site!

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    22. Re:Before anyone says it: by Desperado · · Score: 1

      ironically misspelled I suppose

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    23. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man killed by the very product he tried to breathe life into.

      Am I doing it right?

    24. Re:Before anyone says it: by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are many different definitions of irony, and many people have a pet definition that they think is the 'right' one. Hell, even the oft made fun of Alanis Morissette song has at least a few scenarios that fall under one of the definitions or another. An outcome of events contrary to what was, expected; there is an irony to winning the lottery (and being set for life) and then dying a day later. There's also the definition: as if in mockery of the fitness or rightness of things. A death row pardon two minutes after the execution? Yes, I'd say that's a mockery of the way things should be. Now, a lot of the other scenarios in the song are most definitely not ironic, but there are a few that are.

    25. Re:Before anyone says it: by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      I thought the irony was about how flat he became when he landed...

    26. Re:Before anyone says it: by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1

      There was rain on my wedding day, you insensitive clod!

    27. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's marginal at best. If he'd bought the Segway company to save his life, or to safely be able to navigate near to cliffs, then I'd say it's definitely irony, but just because his actions inadvertently lead to his death doesn't make it ironic.

    28. Re:Before anyone says it: by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Please look up the definition of irony before posting anything with that particular word in it.

      (This especially includes all Sheryl Crow fans)

      Thanks in advance.

      Um, yes, kindly do. From your link:

      5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

      I don't know about you, but the last person I'd expect to drive a Segway off a cliff is the owner of Segway. That's... ummm... well, a classically ironic event .

      On a related note: irony is an odd thing, really. Last year I expected a toy bike for my birthday, and got a toy car instead. Not ironic by any definition even though it fits the technical requirement of being the contrary to expectations. There's a certain ... subtlety? ... that's needed for something to be ironic; and perhaps a sense of history as well.

    29. Re:Before anyone says it: by osgeek · · Score: 1

      What, like #8?

      an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

    30. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Could of been worse..."

      TFTFY..

    31. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alanis Morissette was, ironically, an English major who does know what "ironic" means and has stated that the only actually ironic thing about that song was its title. Ironically, that is.

      People who use the work ironically incorrectly are annoying.

      Those who use it correctly are even more so.

    32. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to Tori Amos, yes.

    33. Re:Before anyone says it: by mapuche · · Score: 1

      The only irony is the one that ends with a death.

    34. Re:Before anyone says it: by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

      hehe

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    35. Re:Before anyone says it: by blair1q · · Score: 1

      If he was riding it out there because he thought hiking out there would kill him...

    36. Re:Before anyone says it: by dmomo · · Score: 1

      It is indeed as ironic as rain on your wedding day. But you know what's genius? Writing a song about irony where all of the examples, ironically are not ironic.

    37. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I always hold this example up as a paragon of irony:

      A protester is picketing a site where an endangered animal's habitat is about to get bulldozed, and the protester gets trampled to death by a stampede of this endangered animal.

    38. Re:Before anyone says it: by mocoloco · · Score: 1

      You made a post intending to reduce the use (or supposed misuse) of the word irony by other posters, and instead your post was directly responsible for an increase of usage of the word and massive discussion of it.

      There's a word for this, I just can't remember what it is...

    39. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! Pedant says your wrong.

    40. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      freakin' hipsters... mutter mutter

    41. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about man -k?

    42. Re:Before anyone says it: by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      For reference, what you are referring to is duct tape (used to seal heating and cooling ducts) in general and Duck Tape is a name brand of duct tape that came long after people who didn't know what it actually was kept calling it duck tape.

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    43. Re:Before anyone says it: by orgelspieler · · Score: 4, Funny

      Irony is subjective. Almost anything can be considered ironic or not based on a point of view.

      English is not a programming language.

      Yes it is. ENGLISH

      Is that ironic?

    44. Re:Before anyone says it: by Schemat1c · · Score: 1

      For reference, what you are referring to is duct tape (used to seal heating and cooling ducts) in general and Duck Tape is a name brand of duct tape that came long after people who didn't know what it actually was kept calling it duck tape.

      I believe this would be either be a whoosh or a unnecessarily detailed explanation for a very clear and simple joke.

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    45. Re:Before anyone says it: by icebraining · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but the last person I'd expect to drive a Segway off a cliff is the owner of Segway

      Really? Less than the billions of persons who have never even seen one?

      I'd expect the owner of Segway to use them much more than most people, vastly raising his odds of driving one off a cliff.

    46. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the very definition of irony the fact that people do not know the definition of irony?

    47. Re:Before anyone says it: by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Alanis Morissette was, ironically, an English major who does know what "ironic" means and has stated that the only actually ironic thing about that song was its title. Ironically, that is.
      With spin like that she would have made a good communications major.

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    48. Re:Before anyone says it: by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      So what part of it doesn't meet item 5: "an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected."

      He surely didn't expect to die (as no rumors of it being a suicide have surfaced). Contrary to his expectation, he died. Irony of the 5th order, QED.

    49. Re:Before anyone says it: by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      One might try to claim irony in the person who makes a device being killed by it, but although unexpected, these sorts are things are not actively contrary to expectations, at least when we don't expect the guy to have special knowledge that makes the device safer.
      I believe Madame Curie might agree.

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    50. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One can hardly discuss irony in any serious fashion without referring to the brilliant (albeit brief) exposition on the subject, found in the classic work "Pokesthetics" by Alfred Dutsch Agosto. An archive of the relevant portion can be found here, although some key diagrams seem to be missing: http://web.archive.org/web/20031215235357/yellow5.com/pp/05Chapter1.html

    51. Re:Before anyone says it: by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      Also the origin of the names and whether duct or duck came first are up for debate.

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    52. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please look up the definition of irony [reference.com] before posting anything with that particular word in it.

      Oh, thank GOODNESS a grammar cop is on patrol to protect us all! Woo-hoo!

    53. Re:Before anyone says it: by Pulzar · · Score: 1

      On a related note: irony is an odd thing, really. Last year I expected a toy bike for my birthday, and got a toy car instead. Not ironic by any definition even though it fits the technical requirement of being the contrary to expectations.

      It's quite a stretch to say that a toy car is contrary to expectation of a toy bike. It doesn't *match* the expectation, but it's not the opposite, either.

      If you got a real bike instead of a toy bike, then you might be able to make a case for a gift that's contrary to expectations. Or, if you got nothing at all -- maybe.

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    54. Re:Before anyone says it: by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      The only irony is the one that ends with a death.
      No, that's comedy.
      "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall down an open manhole and die." - Mel Brooks

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    55. Re:Before anyone says it: by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Dictionaries and the like do NOT define what words mean

      Indeed, the best dictionaries show how they are used.

    56. Re:Before anyone says it: by barnacle · · Score: 1

      Not in itself. But if he was seriously trying to be ironic by doing so, then the fact that it was not ironic and in a post requesting correct usage of irony, was itself ironic.

      Actually, by intentionally stating the incorrect artist's name in a post intending to correct someone's misuse of the word irony, was itself punny.

    57. Re:Before anyone says it: by ian_from_brisbane · · Score: 0

      Please look up the definition of irony before posting anything with that particular word in it.

      (This especially includes all Sheryl Crow fans)

      Ironically, you probably meant Alanis Morissette.

      Maybe not, because ironically, Ms Morissette's song about irony has many things in it that aren't actually ironic: "It's like ten thousand spoons, when all you need is a knife". That's not ironic, unless maybe you're a knife-thrower or have some other history that indicates you're more likely to have knives than spoons. That song has probably caused untold millions of people to incorrectly believe they know what irony means. I've even seen ignorant school teachers pull it out as an example. Curse you AM.

    58. Re:Before anyone says it: by bl8n8r · · Score: 2, Informative

      Slashdot: the one place you can, at any time, discuss the meaning of irony and not be modded off-topic.

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    59. Re:Before anyone says it: by leonardluen · · Score: 1

      I'd expect the owner of Segway to use them much more than most people, vastly raising his odds of driving one off a cliff.

      Indeed, i would expect him to use them much more than most people and thus be among the top segway drivers in the world, thus being capable enough driver not to drive it off a cliff...thus possibly making it an irony again.

      seems it all depends on your perspective

    60. Re:Before anyone says it: by ian_from_brisbane · · Score: 0

      I intend to manufacture it and have it make me wealthy. Instead it kills me. This is irony.

      I disagree, on the premise that being wealthy wouldn't be classed as any kind of opposite to being killed. So, I'd think it more ironic under either of these circumstances:
      a) He intended for it to save his life, and instead it killed him, or
      b) He intended for it to make him wealthy, and it made him poor.

    61. Re:Before anyone says it: by mea37 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      God, everyone's so busy wanting to limit the definition of irony.

      NO. Irony does not require that the result be contrary (much less directly opposite) to the stated intentions of the person whose actions led to the result. It does not require that it be contrary to any specific individual's intentions or expectations.

      The definition is that it is contrary to what you might expect, and like it or not that's subjective. Most of us wouldn't expect the owner of a company that makes a given product to be sufficiently ill equipped to use that product safely that it ends up killing him or her.

    62. Re:Before anyone says it: by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      I think she was using the word 'ironic' ironically.

    63. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apropos...it's Latin. You got to have a basic grasp of Latin if you're working in..Curry's. Oh you've got them excellent, one last thing, what time do you knock-off? Fancy going for a drink? No? Sorry, just thought I'd ask.

    64. Re:Before anyone says it: by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (This especially includes all Sheryl Crow fans)

      Ironically, you probably meant Alanis Morissette.

      No, penguinisto just really thinks poorly of Sheryl Crow fans. All they wanna do is have some fun, they don't concern themselves with things like the definition of irony.

      To his credit, there are no Alanis Morissette fans really.

    65. Re:Before anyone says it: by dashslotter · · Score: 1
      From your link to the definition of irony:

      "5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected. "

      I think this is the definition of irony that people actually use correctly quite often, and applies in this case of a man buying what he thought was a great product, and then driving it off a cliff.

      Still sad, however. From the little bit that I read online, he seemed like a nice, charitable individual.

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    66. Re:Before anyone says it: by dashslotter · · Score: 1

      correction on my earlier post, your link was to the definition of apropos. I used the same site to look up irony

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    67. Re:Before anyone says it: by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To his credit, there are no Alanis Morissette fans really.

      I was dragged to one of her shows a year or two ago by my wife, and she and her band put on a shockingly good and rock-like show, not at all what I would have expected. It was almost like watching a metal band fronted by Alanis Morissette cover the works of Alanis Morissette.

      I'm a little ashamed to say it reminded me a lot of a Metallica concert, back before Metallica started sucking. AM was even headbanging to the guitar solos.

      If that all sounds too surreal to be real, I can only say I would have thought the same thing.

    68. Re:Before anyone says it: by nomorecwrd · · Score: 1

      Anyone else remember those days when Netiquette dictated that you should not respond just to correct grammar or spelling? Unless it was obviously misleading.


      ohh... those were polite days!... or... maybe I'm just getting old.

    69. Re:Before anyone says it: by tom17 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. My response "Not in itself" was attributed to that fact.
      However, if he *thought* he was trying to be ironic rather than just punny, then the situation becomes a little ironic due to the proposed nature of his post.

    70. Re:Before anyone says it: by Rambone.ftw · · Score: 1

      ...And I've gone cross-eyed. Thanks again /.

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    71. Re:Before anyone says it: by twmcneil · · Score: 1

      Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

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    72. Re:Before anyone says it: by JohnFen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not ironically, Morissette's explanation jibes completely with how I interpreted the song from the first time I heard it. It seems so obvious to me that I remain amazed at the number of people who missed the joke so completely that they think she made a mistake even after it's explained to them.

    73. Re:Before anyone says it: by treeves · · Score: 1

      In other words, it's a moot point.

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    74. Re:Before anyone says it: by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1
      I'd say it depends on context. Maybe I REALLY REALLY thought I was getting a toy bike... bet a million dollars on it...

      Okay, now I'm getting ridiculous-- I agree with you, though my point still stands.

    75. Re:Before anyone says it: by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Really? Less than the billions of persons who have never even seen one?

      Making a deliberately literal-minded interpretation of my statement doesn't invalidate my point. One does not expect Lance Armstrong to die in a bicycle crash. One does not expect Garmin's CEO to die lost in the desert. One does not expect Segway's CEO to drive his Segway off a cliff. Coming up with irrelevancies for the sake of seeing your words on the screen print doesn't change that each of these deaths would be a fine example of irony.

      I'd expect the owner of Segway to use them much more than most people, vastly raising his odds of driving one off a cliff.

      Which has what to do with this exactly? No shit his odds are greater -- yet still if someone walked up to you yesterday morning and said "wouldn't it be messed up if the CEO of Segway died by riding his Segway off a cliff" you wouldn't turn around and say, "Yeah, I kind of figure that's gonna happen any day now. In fact I've started a pool - want in?"

    76. Re:Before anyone says it: by greyline · · Score: 1

      Not to be a grammer Nazi, but I believe you mean "mute pointe".

    77. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is it in the psychology of nerds that makes them so resistant to language's evolving usage? Pedants abound among the semi-educated, but truly flourish on /. Is it a deep-seated need for logical, static definitions? A lack of poetry in your souls? A lack of exposure to language as actually used?

      I swear the next time someone corrects my informed use of literally as an intensifier, or ironic to mean situationally ironic, or my pronunciation of niche, I'm going to start smacking nerds around at random.

      http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/irony/situational

    78. Re:Before anyone says it: by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      Was your wife terribly disappointed?

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    79. Re:Before anyone says it: by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      you got the fucking point, christ.

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    80. Re:Before anyone says it: by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

      if she was an english major i'd expect her to be stuck on the original definitions of irony as sarcasm or using a word for something other than it's literal meaning.

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    81. Re:Before anyone says it: by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1

      She actually enjoyed it, even though she hates metal. Go figure.

    82. Re:Before anyone says it: by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      For reference, what you are referring to is duct tape (used to seal heating and cooling ducts)

      Duct tape (as we usually understand the term) is not used for sealing HVAC ducts, at least not by knowledgeable persons.

      Duck Tape is a name brand of duct tape that came long after people who didn't know what it actually was kept calling it duck tape.

      The name "duck tape" came first, referring to "cotton duck" fabric, though whether that name was applied to the stuff we now called "duct tape" when "duct tape" first came out, is still open to debate.

      Gaff (or gaffer's) tape is better than duct tape for many applications. For sticking stuff together, my three tape recommendations are gaff tape, 3M's relatively new transparent duct tape (more durable than the grey stuff), and the new style of blue masking tape, surprisingly strong without damaging a surface. Add transparent "scotch" tape for the occasional bit of book repair or gift wrapping, and electrical tape, and your taping needs are pretty much covered.

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    83. Re:Before anyone says it: by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      I read the irony into the fact that he made his fortune making barrier devices and died by going off a cliff that (presumably) had no barrier to prevent accidental airborne acrobatics.

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    84. Re:Before anyone says it: by abundance · · Score: 1

      The word they shall all be looking for, is apropos.

      APROPOS??
      Oh dear, I don't know how you could say that dying while riding a vehicle that he himself was marketing as an easy, safe and smart means of transport should be regarded as a fitting fate.

      ...oh wait, I see, you were just being ironic.

    85. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Curious though that he gave away ten million pounds to charity in the last month (nearly doubling the amount he's given to charity in his whole life). It does sound a bit like someone getting their affairs in order. That is pure speculation though.

    86. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, which shape and color did the pills have. And do you have any left to share?

    87. Re:Before anyone says it: by DG · · Score: 1

      One does not expect Lance Armstrong to die in a bicycle crash.

      Actually, given the number of annual km Lance rides on the road, and given the number of inattentive or otherwise poor drivers of heavy vehicles out there "sharing" the road with him, it is entirely likely that Lance could die in a car-bicycle collision.

      The 5-time winner of the Race Across America ( a bike race that is exactly what it sounds like) was killed this past week - in a bicycle/car collision.

      To generate irony, Lance would have to be killed in a crash with a vehicle driven by Sheryl Crow.

      DG

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    88. Re:Before anyone says it: by icebraining · · Score: 1

      if someone walked up to you yesterday morning and said "wouldn't it be messed up if the CEO of Segway died by riding his Segway off a cliff" you wouldn't turn around and say, "Yeah, I kind of figure that's gonna happen any day now. In fact I've started a pool - want in?"

      But that's true for anyone, not just him. I don't expect anyone to die off a cliff while riding a Segway, but assuming someone did, the owner of Segway wouldn't be a farfetched guess.

      What you said was "the last person I'd expect to drive a Segway off a cliff is the owner of Segway" and I don't agree; he wasn't, not by a long shot.

      Just because you have a wrong sense of probabilities doesn't mean I'm being too literal.

    89. Re:Before anyone says it: by Programmer_In_Traini · · Score: 1

      Penguinisto fires a straight. Mongoose dodges and Oooooh! Ladies and gentleman, Mongoose replies with a solid left hook on the jaw. Penguinisto is K.O.

      Ha Ha Ha, good one.

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    90. Re:Before anyone says it: by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1
      It seems to me that it goes without saying that we're talking about in the context of Segway users.What reason would you have to assume that I was including people who did not ride a Segway, given that we're talking about someone who died in a Segway accident?

      You can (and did) choose to focus on the fact that I said "last person" while not specifically stating "last person from among the subset of the human population that drives Segways". Logically speaking, those who don't drive Segways are generally excluded from the sum total of known Segway fatalities; and excepting the rare run-over-by-a-runaway-Segway case, they will always be excluded from any such discussion.

      Hence: too literal.

    91. Re:Before anyone says it: by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Yet given his presumed skill and experience, one would indeed not expect him to die that way...

    92. Re:Before anyone says it: by tangelogee · · Score: 1

      There was rain on my wedding day, you insensitive clod!

      you too?

    93. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was already wealthy. Presumably he liked the product and it is quite possible he would have done this even if he didn't own the company. I don't see the link between owning the company and what happened, it does not seem to be something that happened because he bought the company.

    94. Re:Before anyone says it: by DG · · Score: 1

      None of which means squat if confronted by a texting soccer mom in an SUV.

      DG

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    95. Re:Before anyone says it: by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Well, for all intensive purposes I suppose

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    96. Re:Before anyone says it: by BranMan · · Score: 1

      Even more ironically, there IS one piece of irony in the Song - 'He waited his whole damn life to take that flight, and as the plane crashed down he said "Well, isn't this nice?"'. Rather textbook definition of it actually. So there.

  4. must've fallen for the hype by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Funny

    He must have fallen for the pre-launch hype, where the inventor and a variety of major tech figures were claiming that cities would be designed around the things. Maybe he thought it levitated?

    1. Re:must've fallen for the hype by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Funny

      He must have fallen for the pre-launch hype

      really?

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    2. Re:must've fallen for the hype by CityZen · · Score: 1

      "It's got a more powerful battery. This new model will *fly* !!!"

    3. Re:must've fallen for the hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He must have fallen for the pre-launch hype

      really?

      Pretty sure that was an unintentional pun.

    4. Re:must've fallen for the hype by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe he thought it levitated?

      It was, until he looked down. Maybe that threw off its gyroscopes or something.

    5. Re:must've fallen for the hype by sjames · · Score: 1

      It worked for the Daleks!

      Reports claim that he was heard screeching out "EL-E-VATE" all the way down.

    6. Re:must've fallen for the hype by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      I don't think that plummeting to his death was the kind of segue that he was hoping for.

    7. Re:must've fallen for the hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably following GPS directions.

  5. I guess the top secret by ravenscar · · Score: 5, Funny

    amphibious assault Seguay couldn't keep its head above water

    1. Re:I guess the top secret by Viperpete · · Score: 1

      Introducing the new and improved SeaGuay.

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  6. Testing new... by qsqueeq · · Score: 1

    air bags?

  7. inb4 people making jokes of this by Lazareth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My condolences to his friends and relatives.

    1. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Lazareth · · Score: 1

      wow, seems like I was too slow. Love how people can get a laugh out of everything..

    2. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Codename+Dutchess · · Score: 0

      lol

    3. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah - I wish I had mod points to 'funny' the OP.

    4. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      wow, seems like I was too slow. Love how people can get a laugh out of everything..

      Indeed. inspiteof your inb4...

    5. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by nerdup · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or maybe people other people just don't spend a lot of time getting bent out of shape over the death of someone they didn't know and to whom they had no connection. Personally I find it just as distasteful to make insincere public expressions of sorrow over something that actually doesn't affect you at all because "it's what you're supposed to do" or because you want to show all the other random anonymous slashdotters what a sensitive and caring person you are.

    6. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Love how people can get a laugh out of everything.

      So do I. I hope when I die, people don't decide to have a moratorium on enjoying life. If I die in an amusing way and people don't laugh, I'll come back and haunt them.

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    7. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hell yes. In my book, insincere condolences are far worse than literally dancing on someone's grave. At least you know how they feel.

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    8. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Lazareth · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry that my capability to recognize a tragedy as something, well, tragic instead of more material for snide comments offends you. Incidently, by your own rhetoric, you really shouldn't care about what I posted nor what I'm posting now.

      I also recognize that the world is filled with tragedies and that it is impossible to associate yourself with all of them. It is an order of magnitude outside what we as humans are able to comprehend. That doesn't mean that we should disregard it when we get presented with it.

    9. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But your condolences haven't gone to his friends and relatives - you've just posted them on an internet discussion forum instead. That's quite different.

    10. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someone, somewhere dies every second. Are you going to express your sorrow for everyone or just for those who make the news?

    11. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by __aanonl8035 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      (quote) Personally I find it just as distasteful to make insincere public expressions of sorrow over something that actually doesn't affect you at all because "it's what you're supposed to do" (/quote)

      Perhaps a lot of people are merely working off pre-programmed social norms, like saying "how are you doing?", but speaking only for myself here; as I have grown older and experienced some tragic moments, I genuinely have empathy for others, who have to go through some of the obstacles and misfortunes of life. I also suspect that there are a lot of other human beings who think this way as well.

    12. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by couchslug · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Are you going to express your sorrow for everyone or just for those who make the news?"

      Option Two for me. If mass media don't think them important I'm certainly too shallow to care.

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    13. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by icebraining · · Score: 1

      It depends on the level of abstraction. Show me a picture of a tragic moment and I'll probably feel empathy. I can even feel empathy for Wall-E, even though it's just a cartoon character. (also, Spirit)

      On the other hand, the "owner of segway" is a concept so abstract that I don't recognize it as a "person". To me he's just a number.

      "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."

    14. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Aboroth · · Score: 1

      2 L8

    15. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by mcneely.mike · · Score: 1

      Only those who have meaning for me...
      John Belushi dies: tragedy.
      Paris Hilton dies: comedy.
      Michael Jackson dies: priceless.

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    16. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll haunt you in a funny way you if you don't die!

    17. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or maybe people other people just don't spend a lot of time getting bent out of shape over the death of someone they didn't know and to whom they had no connection. Personally I find it just as distasteful to make insincere public expressions of sorrow over something that actually doesn't affect you at all because "it's what you're supposed to do" or because you want to show all the other random anonymous slashdotters what a sensitive and caring person you are.

      Thank you.

    18. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I have empathy for others. Now, since no one in the comments I've read so far has said they've ever met the man or even seen him in person, who, exactly, should I be sharing my empathy with? Yes, if his wife or whatever runs across this, I'll look like an ass. But it's not like someone said "I've met him, he was a nice guy" and people are responding "he's a dumbass, he fell off a cliff." Personally, I'd try to work in a Silverado reference. It's rare enough, but one of the best modern westerns (is it still modern?).

      And many people deal with grief and such with humour. It's a natural defense mechanism. But if I grieved for every person on the planet who died that I'd never heard of before the obit, I'd never stop grieving...

    19. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by martas · · Score: 1

      as I have grown older and experienced some tragic moments, I genuinely have empathy for others

      that implies that anyone who doesn't have empathy for others hasn't experienced tragic moments, which is false. your post also implies (states?) that making a public joke about someone else's misfortune implies one doesn't feel empathy. i believe that is also false, for two reasons. 1) trivially, feeling empathy doesn't force one to act compassionately - i could feel terrible for someone's pain, while causing them even more pain. though presumably i would only do so if i was a sado-masochist... 2) it is very unlikely that a small joke on the matter at hand would cause anyone on slashdot significant suffering, hence there is likely no tangible damage from posting such jokes. all that being said, there's still [at least] one kind of belief that can lead one to conclude that one shouldn't make such jokes - because it is simply wrong. i.e. there are many systems of beliefs that concentrate not on materialistic measures of value to determine "goodness" or "badness" of an action, but rather on the action itself... but i personally do not hold such beliefs. in fact, i find them to be rather silly in the grand scheme of things...

      you know what, i've philosophized on this quasi-inconsequential matter long enough. i'll stop here.

    20. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Lazareth · · Score: 1

      Read the second part of what I wrote instead of only the first sentence.

    21. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Dhalka226 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a lot of people are merely working off pre-programmed social norms, like saying "how are you doing?"

      I've heard this one a few times before. Am I the only one who actually wants to know how somebody is doing when I ask that? Maybe it's just part of my greater realization that words have meanings ("I could care less" really grates on my nerves for that reason!) and I only say it when I actually want to know the answer. I want to know how my friends are doing because I care and because if anything is not well, I want to at least offer to help them in whatever way I can. For social greetings, "hi," "hey," "good morning," etc do the trick.

      As far as your actual point goes: I have empathy for these people; I certainly wouldn't wish death on this man or that kind of pain on his family. I wouldn't say I feel empathy in this case though. I don't know the man who died or his family and once I close this browser window I will probably never think of them or what happened again. That's not worthy of saying anything in my mind. It's just lip-service.

      For what it's worth, I also almost never say "I'm sorry" unless I actually, literally feel bad about something. Otherwise it's just "I apologize." Weird or consistent, I don't know. That's just me.

    22. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by jadin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you drive a Segway off a cliff and die.

      (with apologies to Mel Brooks)

    23. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Threni · · Score: 1

      > speaking only for myself here; as I have grown older and experienced some tragic moments, I genuinely have empathy for others, who have to go through some of the
      > obstacles and misfortunes of life.

      At the same time, I have a powerful visual imagination, so when I first read about this I could help both visualising the situation, and laughing aloud at it.

      > I also suspect that there are a lot of other human beings who think this way as well.

      Likewise, clearly I wasn't the only one to laugh.

    24. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by garompeta · · Score: 1

      I will honor you with the following epitaph: sudo death

    25. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, I didn't realise that the act of lamenting one particular tragedy bound me to a contract whereby I was required to lament to an equivalent degree all tragedies of the same nature the world over.

      On behalf of all who have expressed any regret over the death of any human being at any time, I humbly apologise for the unspeakable evil of doing this, and not crafting a sufficiently caustic joke about it instead.

  8. That sucks by bigredradio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure there will be a lot of smart-ass comments making fun of this guy. The fact remains that a person lost his life in a tragic accident. Thoughts go out to his family.

    1. Re:That sucks by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there will be a lot of smart-ass comments making fun of this guy.

      Can you blame them? This story belongs in Idle, not Technology.

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    2. Re:That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thoughts go out to his family.

      Really? A few dozen people you didn't know died just while you were typing that post. And if you take the time to give thought to those, then even more will have died and you could never keep up.

    3. Re:That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Furthermore, how is he relevant? Noone here probably knew who he was beforehand. And in a few days, noone here will remember who he was.

      I mean, yeah. That sucks. He died. I'm sure it's a tragedy to the people close to him. In the same regard, I saw a 2 car pileup on my way to work this morning. I'm sure that someone died in that wreck.

      I'd argue that the single mother who just lost her primary bread winner is a bigger tragedy than a dying venture capitalist.

    4. Re:That sucks by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      How do you figure? He was the owner of a fairly innovative technology company. It's much more relevant and news for nerds than most things that make the front page.

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    5. Re:That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to argue that... well, I saw this advert on TV last night. Very effective.

    6. Re:That sucks by billcopc · · Score: 1

      It's the internet, we're all so jaded and cynical that we laugh at anything and everything. And I mean, come on, you have to appreciate the cruel humour here, straight out of a Wile E. Coyote cartoon. We all figured a Segway death would happen, sooner or later.

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    7. Re:That sucks by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1
      My thoughts really don't go out to his family - there are millions of deaths every day, and I'd be paralyzed with grief if I allowed myself to feel empathy for all of them and their families. The only human/deity capable of doing that is quite possibly a mythical one.

      That aside, do you really fail to see humor in this? Or just choosing the moral high ground by implying that you're above it?

      Sometimes, unfortunate shit is funny. Often because of the nature of its unfortunate-ness. Unfortunately.

    8. Re:That sucks by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      A 2-car pileup? Is that like a pair of shoe?

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    9. Re:That sucks by Simmeh · · Score: 1

      As someone from Yorkshire, I know he was well established in the charity scene and his loss will be felt around the region. He donated across the spectrum and encouraged other wealthy individuals to do so. Not all of us forget so quickly.

    10. Re:That sucks by BitZtream · · Score: 0, Troll

      Ahhh, fake sincerity ... I'm sure they are very appreciative that some random person who actually knows absolutely nothing about the man says 'thoughts go out to his family'.

      You might want to consider that people can fairly quickly distinguish the difference from someone like yourself and someone who actually cares.

      You words have no value and are completely transparent.

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    11. Re:That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if those few dozen people were named to me, I would mourn them as well. If the story of their death crosses my path, it is right to mourn them.

    12. Re:That sucks by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Here's 2353. Take your time.

    13. Re:That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, and most of the random people who have died, aren't families of rich Business men, and probably live in conditions worse then ours.http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/09/27/149212/Segway-UK-Boss-Dies-After-Driving-Off-Cliff?from=rss#

    14. Re:That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? A few dozen people you didn't know died just while you were typing that post

      Holy shit.

      The "t" key on BigRedRadio's KEYBOARD is actually The Button?!?

      Quick, someone stop him from posting before he kills us all!

    15. Re:That sucks by martas · · Score: 1

      wow... really well done!

    16. Re:That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blanket thoughts to everyone who dies/has a loved one die/etc. Who says you have to limit yourself to thoughts for just individuals? Add in some thoughts for all future incidents, and you're covered for all time!

      But more seriously, why not have empathy for people who hurt, even if you can't find out a personal snippet from every single one of them? Empathy is mostly recognition of that hurt, and often is helpful to many of the people involved. Does the fact that you don't know them personally somehow morally lessen your recognition of pain and suffering in some way?

    17. Re:That sucks by houghi · · Score: 1

      As you think of the family, it reminds me how you could be "Chazz Reinhold" from the Wedding Crashers movie:
      Chazz Reinhold: Grief is nature's most powerful aphrodisiac.

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    18. Re:That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, in the end, everything's pointless, thanks for reminding us.

  9. Segway by the_kanzure · · Score: 1, Informative

    I guess he bought a segway... to his coffin.

    *sigh* I'll show^W^W^W^W segway myself the door.

  10. Where's the camera!? by M1FCJ · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Look ma! No hands!

  11. Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This will just be another clump of dirt on the corpse of Segway. It actually sucks in a way. It was invented to try to radically mix up society and how we travel, change the way we travel in cities. Use less gas, get people moving, less space for parking, all that cool stuff. Instead it became a toy for Segway Polo, jokes for Mall Cops, and t tours. Never getting the impact it was intended for..

    1. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      The inventor is still alive and well, this guy was just who he sold his company to for big bucks.

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    2. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by xaxa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bicycles do at least as much as a Segway does for most people, and they're a lot cheaper. The Segway tried to fill a niche that didn't really exist -- it isn't the lack of a small, exposed personal transport machine that keeps people in their cars.

    3. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      It would have if it had been affordable. When your product costs as much or more than many other products that go farther, faster and with greater comfort you have issues with providing an incentive for the general populous to buy. It works for cops (real and rental), tours, and some other niche applications (moving around large campuses comes to mind) but not for everyday travel.

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    4. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by GiveBenADollar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Segway didn't try to fill a niche, they tried to create one. Just like microwaves, or velcro. They just didn't have a game changing device, or more to the point, it didn't change the game.

    5. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      Part of this may have been the fact that it was looked at almost like a motor scooter. Like those, it cannot remain balanced with power off, and has similar speeds, but unlike them, they take up far more room and cost much more.

      Interestingly adding a third wheel to the front, but mounting it on a spring with little resistance would allow the device to remain balanced when the power was off, without interfereing with the lean to drive feature.

      But generally people are satisfied with the existing options like motorized scooters, mopeds, bicycles, and motorcycles.

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    6. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bingo. Remember, the claim was that it would "change the way we design cities". Which was another way of saying: "shit-all use for the cities that we have now".

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    7. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Well I never liked the idea of of leaning towards were you want to go, sounded to easy to drive off a cliff by accident to me.

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    8. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      Wrong on every count. It was marketed to do all those things. It was invented to be cool.

    9. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      It would have if it had been affordable.

      Probably not. The problem with the Segway isn't the purchase price, its the cost of transforming the rest of the world so that it offers much of a value proposition at any price outside of a few highly-specialized niches. I think Kamen recognized this when he initially hyped it: the reason for the initial hype about how it would revolution everything and make people change how they live, how cities are built, etc., wasn't just an optimistic hyping of the effects of the device, it was an attempt to get people into the mindset necessary to make the device successful: the only way it could be significant outside of a few highly specialized niches is if, in fact, people changed their lifestyle, rebuilt cities, etc., all to accommodate it.

      However, successful mass-market products -- including the ones that do end up motivating those kind of major changes, like the automobile -- are ones that work very well with existing lifestyles and environment, while at the same time offering more benefits as people adapt their own lifestyle and the environment to the product.

    10. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When your product costs and remains almost half the salary of a bottom tier worker, you can never, ever expect that product to replace the things those workers use. It can't radically mix up anything if a huge amount of people simply can't afford it. This applies to so many thing: Phones, Fridges, Cars, Computers, High-Speed Internet. None of those things became norms until the price was at the point that someone making minimum wage could choose to have them (even if they replaced something else).

    11. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Bicycles require exercise, coordination, etc. For most able body people, I would recommend the bicycle. For those that have disabilities, the Segway is probably better. And of course, the lazy. But the price tag of the Segway put it out of reach of most people.

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    12. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't list the tourist tours in with the rest of those uses. I've not been on one, but I know someone who did. You get to see a lot more of a city on a segway than if you were walking - you can get between the places of interest a lot faster, without sacrificing manoeuvrability while you're there. And if they help bring the price down, then they're making the other uses more likely.

      The big problem with the segway is the cost. I can't drive it inside, so I'd have to secure it somewhere while going in and out of shops, just like a bike. It would cost an order of magnitude or so more than my bike, so it's a lot more of a tempting target for thieves, goes a bit slower along the flat (although probably faster uphill), and needs recharging. Selling them for under a hundred quid would make them a lot more tempting, but they really need massive economies of scale for that to even seem vaguely feasible.

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    13. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by SnarfQuest · · Score: 0

      When you think of it, the Segway is just a motorized big-wheel missing the front wheel. It would have been much simpler to use the normal front-to-back format, saving all the extra hardware required for balancing. I'd think a low-cost scooter would make more of a difference than an expensive back end of a tricycle.

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    14. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Their device was ludicrously over hyped for an odd scooter. Yeah, the inventor hated that comparison, but what's the fundamental difference between the two? The wheels are side by side, instead of in line, and so it needs a fancy gyro to balance itself.

      Microwave ovens are better (in a way) then conventional ovens because they can very quickly heat things, and they're cheaper.
      Velco is better (in a way) then zippers because it's even easier to use, and it's cheaper.
      They haven't completely replaced the previous invention because they both have their drawbacks.

      The segway, on the other hand, is really bloody expensive. Without some sort of added value, it didn't take off. But I'm not sure it has ANY benefit over a scooter. The gyro is impressive, but novelty isn't value.

    15. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by GiveBenADollar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it's not cool to roll up on a scooter.

    16. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by luther349 · · Score: 1

      bicycles electric bicycles scooters etc. all of witch cost less.

    17. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This will just be another clump of dirt on the corpse of Segway.

      I don't know what you're smoking, but you're probably from North America. In Europe, the thing is frickin' popular and quite a boon for the tourist industry. At the very least, it's got people thinking about new ways of transportation other than just car and bicycle (and of course, walking). And from that perspective, I think it has served a purpose.

    18. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by blair1q · · Score: 1

      and they're a lot cheaper.

      Priced a nice bicycle lately?

    19. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by blair1q · · Score: 1

      give it a kickstand

    20. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      This will just be another clump of dirt on the corpse of Segway. It actually sucks in a way. It was invented to try to radically mix up society and how we travel,

      ...but in reality it was just a toy based on robotics technology and it's not suited for the target audience. It needs to be a lot smarter, for instance it needs to be unwilling to drive off a cliff even if the driver is treading the line between having a heart attack and trying not to fall off the damned thing. Otherwise, its "intelligence" is only going to get you into trouble when it decides it's smarter than you are, and you attempt to make the vehicle move in some specific way that will put you temporarily off-balance in order to avoid some obstacle (like a cliff) and it decides it knows better about how it must move to get where you're telling it you want to go.

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    21. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Never getting the impact it was intended for.

      It never got the impact it was 'intended for' because it was largely a solution in search of a problem. Worse yet it was designed and hyped with with little or no thought or effort to consider how it would interact with the existing solutions and infrastructure.

    22. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Yes, mine cost £400, and is really pushing the boundary of "money well spent" (in my opinion it's around that price that you start paying a disproportionately large about for small improvements in the bicycle).

      However, you can buy a really shit bike for about £60 -- which is what I'd have to spend on train tickets every month if I didn't have a bike.

      For comparison, a Segway is £4800.

    23. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Use less gas, get people moving, less space for parking, all that cool stuff.

      So ... instead of walking ... you think it was better to use a mechanical device which consumes energy in an extremely inefficient way (compared to the human body) and is no more useful than walking alone.

      Segway was a stupid idea for the lazy.

      You could use roller skates or a bicycle and accomplish the exact same thing ... only more efficiently and with no need to produce the additional pollution that goes with manufacturing batteries and electricity to power it.

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    24. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by BitZtream · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Velcro was designed for its exact purpose. Go ask NASA.

      Microwave overs were created for their exact purpose after someone realized that microwave energy could be used to heat things up.

      These devices weren't created then found a niche, they were created for a specific purpose from the start. Nice try though.

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    25. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Bicycles require exercise, coordination, etc. For most able body people, I would recommend the bicycle. For those that have disabilities, the Segway is probably better. And of course, the lazy. But the price tag of the Segway put it out of reach of most people.

      Nobody who can't ride a bicycle should be riding a Segway. If you get into trouble you need to be able to get off the thing and in case you didn't notice, the Segway has a big obstacle in the front of it to trip you up just like a bicycle. There are electric bicycles and electric-human hybrid bicycles available now, as well as numerous other options such as electric scooters which don't require straddling a seat or bar. The Segway is a toy looking for a market, not a solution to a real problem.

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    26. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by RapmasterT · · Score: 1

      It was invented to try to radically mix up society and how we travel, change the way we travel in cities...Never getting the impact it was intended for..

      I disagree. It was "invented" to be sold for large amounts of money and make people rich. It was "MARKETED" as a radical change to the way people move and would change the world.

      I would argue that it did have the impact it was intended for, it made Dean Kamen a lot of money. It did not have the impact it was marketed for because..well, because that was just retarded.

      It's just a scooter. a cool and funny looking, but ultimately impractical scooter. that's all it ever was, all it's ever going to be.

    27. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by RapmasterT · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you've ever seen someone "roll up" on a Segway, then you know it's in no way cooler than any other scooter. It's the "instantly make anyone look like a total tool" device.

    28. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by RapmasterT · · Score: 2, Informative

      Velcro was designed for its exact purpose. Go ask NASA.

      Or...one could refer to the actual inventor, instead of NASA which was founded almost 20 years AFTER velcro was invented. Nice try though. ;-)

    29. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by kryliss · · Score: 1

      I don't think it would have been so bad if the damn thing was affordable to anyone but the rich who have 4000 to 7000 to throw away on one.

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    30. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by AshtangiMan · · Score: 1

      You know I think this every time I walk off a cliff.

    31. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1

      I think Segways would be much more popular if they weren't so expensive. I would love to own one but can't justify the price. Heck, I don't even think the price to rent one for a city tour is a good value; I can rent a bike for a tiny fraction of the price, and it's probably better for my health.

    32. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by Scaba · · Score: 1

      Velcro was serendipitously invented almost two decades before NASA was. From the Wikipedia article: "As Velcro only became widely used after NASA's adoption of it, NASA is popularly -- and improperly -- credited with its invention." And though research into heating dielectric materials with high-energy electrical fields had been previously researched, the heating effect of microwaves was also serendipitously discovered by a guy working on radar for Raytheon. So, both inventions were exactly things that were created and only later found a niche. Nice try, though.

    33. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed mentioning that bicycles give you some much needed exercise. Even walking gives you more exercise than using a Segway

    34. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Nobody who can't ride a bicycle should be riding a Segway.

      How about those how have a sense of balance but not the muscular strength to use a bicycle? Like the elderly, people who are recovering from an injury who can stand but not walk reliably yet, etc. Using a wheelchair or crutches have their own issues. There are uses for the Segway. However because of the price, it is most often a toy for the rich.

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    35. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      All the smarts it needs is a database of death height drops and a the smarts to get to them while ignoring the user.

      You'd want to not have the thing 'go nuts' until it was close enough to make the jump in under a second or three.

      I believe it's time to put a little chlorine into the 'more dollars then sense' end of the gene pool.

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    36. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1

      It was invented to be cool. Man, did that ever backfire. "I've made a huge mistake."

    37. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by gilgongo · · Score: 1

      This will just be another clump of dirt on the corpse of Segway. It actually sucks in a way. It was invented to try to radically mix up society and how we travel, change the way we travel in cities. Use less gas, get people moving, less space for parking, all that cool stuff. Instead it became a toy for Segway Polo, jokes for Mall Cops, and t tours. Never getting the impact it was intended for..

      Any idea why? I'm guessing you don't think it was because the fundamental idea of the thing was wrong-headed and silly, as most people at the time believed when they first saw it.

      A Segway is better than a bicycle because...??

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    38. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by nloop · · Score: 1

      bicycle.

    39. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by blair1q · · Score: 1

      £4800 is in the price range for my next bicycle. Below about $4500 the quality drops like a rock.

      Value comes from both utility and perception.

      If your life works with a £60 bicycle you wouldn't consider a Segway. You wouldn't consider a £70 bicycle, either.

      Most people with a choice of both will find situations where a Segway works for them that the bicycle doesn't, but will likely not find situations where a bicycle works for them and a Segway doesn't. Segways do steep hills and 10-20 mile rides out of the box. Fat people on bicycles don't.

    40. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by GiveBenADollar · · Score: 1

      sorry guess I didn't make it obvious enough.

      /sarcasm

    41. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by 6ULDV8 · · Score: 1

      "instantly make anyone look like a total tool"

      That's why they're used in police departments.

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    42. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How about those how have a sense of balance but not the muscular strength to use a bicycle?

      They don't have the muscular strength to catch themselves if they have a Segway navigation problem, and as such are a danger to themselves and to others. I stand by my statement.

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    43. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      The Segway tried to fill a niche that didn't really exist

      My take is that some engineer was experimenting with gyroscopes and that the Segway consequently "happened" without devious plans running through his brain to conquer the world, which as we see didn't quite happen.

      Although the bike will evidently rule, the world, IMHO, is a better place with the Segway.

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    44. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by Private+Baldrick · · Score: 1

      Bicycles do at least as much as a Segway does for most people, and they're a lot cheaper. The Segway tried to fill a niche that didn't really exist -- it isn't the lack of a small, exposed personal transport machine that keeps people in their cars.

      It's pity that the useful spin off of the Segway. The iBot mobility system, likewise didn't take off. It might have changed dramatically the life of disabled people. However there wasn't the demand. That was a case of the Segway technology filling a niche.

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    45. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by RapmasterT · · Score: 1

      "instantly make anyone look like a total tool"

      That's why they're used in police departments.

      Ever actually SEE a cop on a segway? It's not an image that inspires confidence in authority. Especially when they make them wear a helmet.

  12. Damn. by hkdm · · Score: 1

    The only guy I've ever known to fall off of a segway is the man who owned it. Shit sucks bro.

    1. Re:Damn. by arivanov · · Score: 1

      No, he is the second. The first was GWB aka Dubia.

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    2. Re:Damn. by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they found it upright at the bottom of the cliff...

  13. Shameless Marketing Stunt... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 5, Funny

    This has to be the worst way to get free press for your product. But I'll give it to the man... He's dedicated.

    1. Re:Shameless Marketing Stunt... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny

      This has to be the worst way to get free press for your product. But I'll give it to the man... He's dedicated.

      Correction: deadicated.

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    2. Re:Shameless Marketing Stunt... by KillaBeave · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of a speech my football coach used to give about dedication ...

      (wavy flashback fadeout)

      "There's levels of dedication boys. While a chicken and a pig are both involved in making breakfast. The pig is dedicated! Be the pig!"

      (wavy flashback fadeout)

      Kinda creepy now that think about it ...

    3. Re:Shameless Marketing Stunt... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Word is they found his body standing up perfectly vertical on the segway as it balanced his corpse on the fly...

  14. unfortunate by slshwtw · · Score: 3, Funny

    He was a real stand-up kind of guy

  15. ATVs are dangerous too by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    simple fact:

    if you combine

    1. off road conditions
    2. high speeds

    you are basically deciding to do a passionate tango with death

    a ruggedized segway? obviously in the same category as an ATV when it comes to "one dead me, please"

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    1. Re:ATVs are dangerous too by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "you are basically deciding to do a passionate tango with death"

      I, for one, find that idea vaguely arousing.

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    2. Re:ATVs are dangerous too by FuckingNickName · · Score: 1

      Manny and Meche up a tree...

    3. Re:ATVs are dangerous too by JimWise · · Score: 1

      1. This was on his own estate. I do not know how large his estate was, but I think it is fair to assume that he knew where the river and bluff were.

      2. Segways max out at 12.5mph. I don't really think that counts as "high speed."

    4. Re:ATVs are dangerous too by cekander · · Score: 1

      Sweet. Where do I get one of these deathtrap tango machines? I'll ride it after I do some macabre chacha vert on my skateboard. What's your point? Skate or die. Grow some balls, and stop pointing out the obvious.

  16. not the usual segway death by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Usually segway riders only die from humiliation.

    And yes, I know I'm going to hell.

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  17. This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by PatPending · · Score: 4, Informative

    So what's the point? Blame (ban?) the Segway?

    And, oh, by the way:

    In the UK, it is illegal to drive a Segway on the road or even on pavements or cycle paths. They can only be used on private property, despite campaigns to let them be used on cycle paths.

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    1. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by curado · · Score: 1

      I wish cyclists had to watch out for Segways as much as cars have to watch out for cyclists.

    2. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by GiveBenADollar · · Score: 1

      Have you ever ridden a bike on the street?! Cars do not watch out for you, unless maybe it's to aim for you!

    3. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by PatPending · · Score: 1

      Have you ever ridden a bike on the street?! Cars do not watch out for you, unless maybe it's to aim for you!

      And it's getting more dangerous with the proliferation of personal electronic devices, texting, and young drivers.

      Nowadays I only ride on bike paths, or off-road mountain biking.

      (I'm not trying to eliminate risk, just minimize it.)

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    4. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know, there's nothing worse than having to pay attention when you're driving a vehicle.

    5. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      Its also getting more dangerous with the bikers, saw one yesterday on a 50mph windy hilly back highway ridding right down the middle of the darn lane (even though the 6 foot wide shoulder was unoccupied). Though they are not nearly as bad as people on motor cycles, yes be mindful some nut is an inch off your bumper on the interstate as he whips off doing 120 on 1 wheel, if they crash its obviously the car's fault ...

    6. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Cyclists pose far far far far far less danger to cars than the other way around. For that matter, they pose less danger to cars than other cars do. I don't deny that there are reckless cyclists on the road, but they are a small minority. And the worst damage they are likely to do to you is to scratch the paint on your SUV and make you drop your Big Mac in your lap when you hit them.

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    7. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      In the UK, it is also illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. Next time you're in a UK city, count the number of violations of that law that you see per minute...

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    8. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by Corporate+Drone · · Score: 1

      So what's the point? Blame (ban?) the Segway?

      Absolutely! And they should totally sue the pants off of whoever... umm... yeah.

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    9. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 0

      In Logan Utah the cars have to worry about pedestrians, especially the city vehicles. The fact that they mostly drive on the sidewalks (to miss the stoplights and other street signs) at full speed just adds to the thrill.

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    10. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      In the US, the pavement is the road and the thing pedestrians use is a sidewalk.

    11. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by nanoakron · · Score: 1

      Umm...zero?

      Seriously - I live in London (biggest number of cyclists in the UK) - it's far quicker to ride on the road than the pavement anyway.

    12. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      ha ha! Ultimately the segway DID change the city. It prompted people to ban something that previously was not banned.

    13. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Some cyclists do that on purpose because they believe it's safer to occupy / "own" a lane and be visible to the drivers than to risk getting squeezed by riding on the edge of the lane. Either way I find the experience very scary and have stopped riding (NYC).

    14. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really it depends on the road, if you keep to the side then a motorist will try and pass you whether it is safe or not (They always think "I can squeeze past"). So basically in cases where there isn't enough room for motorists to safely overtake in the same lane it is better to "own" it. Blame the city planners for making the roads cycle unfriendly.

    15. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by Macrat · · Score: 1

      So what's the point? Blame (ban?) the Segway?

      At least don't ride prototypes near a cliff.

    16. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      but I wasn't talking about a city road, its a country highway with 6 foot shoulders, you can park a car in them!

  18. Isn't a Segway more aluminumy than irony? by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1

    I know - Blackadder got their first.

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    1. Re:Isn't a Segway more aluminumy than irony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know - Blackadder got their first.

      Their first what?

  19. Re:Killed by... by Lazareth · · Score: 3, Informative

    Read the article. It was not the inventor that died, but the owner of the product.

  20. Wached out Sports by deodiaus2 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I guess he won't be show on "Wacked Out Sports" next to the guy who tries a jump and almost has a 800lb snowmobile come crashing down on him.

  21. First death? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is this the first confirmed death while operating a Segway?

    1. Re:First death? by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      No, there's been others, at least that one that was reported in Las Vegas in 2004 (several other references to it around the web, so it sounds legit). I haven't found any other reported fatalities with a quick spin through Google, but plenty of stories of injuries.

      To be fair, this incident sounds like it involved a prototype, ruggedized, off-road version of a Segway, not the production versions meant for use on sidewalks and roads. I can see how this is significantly more risky than the usual use case.

    2. Re:First death? by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Probably so .... and wouldn't be surprised if it kicks off a new campaign to stop people from driving Segways while texting, too.

    3. Re:First death? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      To be fair, this incident sounds like it involved a prototype, ruggedized, off-road version of a Segway, not the production versions meant for use on sidewalks and roads.

      Assuming there was a datalogger on the thing, and it survived, I wonder if we'll find out in a few months' that some commonly-decried programming error threw the balance off and tossed the guy off the cliff.

      Or if we will hear that there was a GPS on-board and there was a disgruntled employee.

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    4. Re:First death? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      Is this the first confirmed death while operating a Segway?

      You clearly haven't heard of the famous ex Segway swallower?

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  22. Wow... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    And I thought Wharfe was a pussy...

  23. Anyone considered ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This could just be an extremely geeky suicide?

  24. Question by 2names · · Score: 4, Funny

    What is the British equivalent to "Hey, Ya'll, watch this!"

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    1. Re:Question by snspdaarf · · Score: 5, Funny

      What is the British equivalent to "Hey, Ya'll, watch this!"

      "Tally-ho!"

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    2. Re:Question by ibmjones · · Score: 1

      Which is usually followed, "Aw, shucks, I can do better than that!"

  25. My favourite UK Segway... by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

    ...goes something like this:

    And now, for something completely different!

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  26. More info by necro81 · · Score: 2, Informative

    More info about the guy and the accident is available at the Daily Mail

    1. Re:More info by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Interesting. They have pictures of the place he may have landed, but none of the place he may have fallen from.

  27. Don't call it a Segway... by clickety6 · · Score: 5, Funny


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  28. The UK should do something about this by slshwtw · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ban gravity.

    1. Re:The UK should do something about this by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Actually, this was an example of intelligent falling.

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    2. Re:The UK should do something about this by rossdee · · Score: 1

      The UK Govt can put that on the agenda, after repealing the laws of thermodynamics.

      I guess here in the USA the Republicans will also promise to repeal the law of gravity if/when they gain control of the House and Senate.

      Say, what country was King Canute from?

    3. Re:The UK should do something about this by Nimey · · Score: 1

      More CCTV coverage would have saved his life, surely.

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    4. Re:The UK should do something about this by komode0 · · Score: 1

      Gravity is only a theory.

  29. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  30. Hoverboard Option by jacobsm · · Score: 1

    Methinks he should have ordered the hoverboard option for his Segway.

  31. Re:Killed by... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, he did own the invention I guess.

  32. Ironic Quote of the Day... by microcars · · Score: 1

    at the bottom of this page right now:
    Good news is just life's way of keeping you off balance.

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  33. Re:Not the inventor by Lazareth · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did you check your facts before you opened up the floodgates of your arse? The guy may have been a defence contractor, but his company made FORTIFICATIONS. Not in the sense of point-defence systems, but in the sense of freaking walls.

  34. Segways still don't kill people by simong · · Score: 1

    Driving them around on sandstone cliffs overlooking a fast flowing river does that. As sad as it is, it's definitely a contender for the Darwin Awards.

    1. Re:Segways still don't kill people by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Are you too freaking stupid to understand what the Darwin awards are? (Rhetorical question - the answer's clearly "yes".)

      He's bred - he's already passed his genes on to future generations.

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    2. Re:Segways still don't kill people by mschuyler · · Score: 1

      Technically, presumably you are correct, but do you really expect someone to look up this guy's family life to verify whether or not he has reproduced? Just a sec while I look up the census records. Well, his wife had a kid, but we're not sure it's his, so the jury is still out on this one! How about if we say he gets the Darwin Award, Second Class, for not being able to reproduce AGAIN? And you're calling someone stupid? Read the sig. It has your name on it.

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    3. Re:Segways still don't kill people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it still limits him from spreading his genes further.

    4. Re:Segways still don't kill people by QuantumBeep · · Score: 1

      Killing yourself removes you from the gene pool, whether you've bred or not. It's a semantic problem.

    5. Re:Segways still don't kill people by fatphil · · Score: 1

      But Darwinian evolutions's nothing to do with staying alive, it's about propagating your genes.

      Yes it's semantic - all communication is. Without paying attention to semantics, there's no point in communicating.

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    6. Re:Segways still don't kill people by QuantumBeep · · Score: 1

      Yes it's semantic - all communication is. Without paying attention to semantics, there's no point in communicating.

      You're being deliberately obtuse, friend.

  35. Giggle by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry to have giggled at this story. But it's like a Robot Chicken episode come to life. Can't help it.

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  36. The device was easily found... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    ...standing upright in the river.

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  37. Inventor: yes/no. by Slartibartfast · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Personal Transporter's *actual* inventor is this engineer I've bumped into -- I work with his brother. DK was "merely" the person who put money and PR behind it. Dean gets a lot of credit -- but really, *his* biggest invention was the insulin pump.

    1. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Personal Transporter's *actual* inventor is this engineer I've bumped into

      Surely he bumped in to you?

    2. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm I not reading this quite right? Because it sounds like your saying the Segway was a more important invention than the insulin pump. I'll grant more complex, but more important?

      Wait, I get the logic now! Using the Segway increases the demand for the insulin pump! It gets sold to the customer first, so it must be more important!

    3. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by blair1q · · Score: 4, Funny

      He said Kamen's biggest invention was the insulin pump.

      I don't see a value judgment there. Just a clarification.

      I also think Segways are bigger than insulin pumps.

      Parse that as you will.

    4. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, in the same way the Edison invented the light bulb.

    5. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, and to boot most of the stuff you see and touch on the original and the i2 was done by an engineering design firm called Goddard Technologies. www.goddardtech.com

    6. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      He said DK didn't invent the segway - that he merely fronted money and marketing for it. He said DK did invent the insulin pump.

    7. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by LordKronos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can we please get a citation for this, because this is the first I've ever heard of it, and as far as I know, is totally inaccurate. The Segway is based on the technology that Dean Kamen developed for the iBOT, which is a really cool wheelchair that can climb stairs, drive over rocks, sand, etc. The Segway was merely a refinement and repackaging of that wheelchair's technology. I suspect this guy you work with is BSing you (or his own brother BSed him and he fell for it).

    8. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      If you go that route, anything that rolls is just a repackaging of the wheel that was invented tens of thousands of years ago...

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    9. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding? The insulin pump made thousands of people's lives bearable. The sale of the AutoSyringe company also made Kamen a millionaire many times over and got him in the National Inventors Hall of Fame. The Segway is a $5,000 toy that isn't as useful as a $300 bicycle. I don't know what the Segway company sold for, but my guess is it wasn't much.

    10. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Chyeld · · Score: 1

      Have you ever seen either device? The Segway is much larger than an insulin pump regardless of it's profitability.

    11. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (*whoosh*)

    12. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      No, I'm serious, so stop making stupidly absurd statements. Go look up the info on the iBOT wheelchair. It was able to stand up on 2 wheels and used the same methods as the Segway to keep the chair balanced on those 2 wheels. Go look at the following video at the 2 minute 40 second mark...does it not look remarkably similar to the way the Segway functions?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK5uAeEV7tI&t=2m40s

      But no, please go ahead making stupid comments if it makes you happy.

    13. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Slartibartfast · · Score: 1

      Ummmm... no. I'd love to give my sources, but I can't, as I'd even more dearly love to keep my job.

      I will ask you to consider this, though: Dean Kamen invented his incredibly small insulin pump. After which he got quite wealthy, and started DEKA. Do you think ANY of the ideas that come out of DEKA -- like, say, the Luke Arm project -- have the original engineer's stamp on it? That would be "No." There are a LOT of engineers at DEKA; Dean plays largely an advisory/supervisory role, with funding and PR for projects he feels are worthy.

      Tell you what: forget me; go look up the patent applications; while I imagine Dean's on the application (founders of mid-sized companies usually are), I bet there are a bunch of other names, too. Here:
      http://www.google.com/patents?tbs=bks:1&tbo=1&q=heinzmann+OR+morell+DEKA&btnG=Search+Patents

      Look for any dated prior to the PT's release (September, 2001).

      P.S. With all due respect, unless you're directly involved with $COMPANY that releases $PRODUCT, why do you assume that you know which engineers worked on it?

    14. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look for any dated prior to the PT's release (September, 2001).

      No thanks. I'm not gonna waste my time on some wild goose chase because some guy told you his relative is the REAL guy who did X. I hear that crap all the time.

      P.S.
      [quote]I'd love to give my sources, but I can't, as I'd even more dearly love to keep my job.[/quote]

      Wait...so it would endanger your job to talk about somebody who doesn't even work at your company, or to link to any sort of web page with at least some substantiation? Sorry, but I'm not buying it. You might as well have just gone all out and used the "I can tell you, but then I'd have to kill you" bit.

    15. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Y'know what? If you can't be bothered to click on a Google link -- supplied for your convenience -- there's no need for us to discuss this.

    16. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You tell me you are talking about one guy who was supposedly the real inventor. Yet you won't tell me his name, you provide a link to patent searches that cover two people, and won't tell me which (if either of them) is the actual guy you are talking about. Then you send me off on a blind search through 40 patents, not quite sure what I'm looking for. I'm not sure what your "find one that predates" challenge was about, because if we are talking about patents granted to DK and not these other guys, then those would NOT be in the search results you gave me.

      Even so, you statement that there will be other names on there with DK...what's the point? He's listed as an inventor, and that makes him one of the inventors. Your suggestion was that DK was NOT the inventor and some other guy was.

      On top of all of that, I'm not even sure what the point of looking through the patents is. Inventor of the item vs inventor of the individual technologies that make the item work is a totally different matter. So lets say DK identifies a need completely unfulfilled in the market, comes up with an idea for a device that would fulfill that need, figures out the basics of how he would image it would work, and then funds a bunch of guys to help him build the technology and work through all the obstacles they encounter during the design phase. Would that make Dean Kamen NOT the inventor? I'm not sure I'd agree with that

    17. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Slartibartfast · · Score: 1

      Richard Heinzmann. He's the guy. He has two brothers, also both engineers. Richard and one brother continue to work at DEKA; the third brother works at Segway. And I ain't sayin' which brother it is I work with.

      Happy?

    18. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happy? Well, it answers part of my posts, but not the parts that I thought were more relevant. But regardless, at least it gives me something concrete to argue against.

      As I suggested earlier, the segway was an offshoot of the iBOT, using much the same technology, refined and repackaged. Here's an article on the iBOT:
      http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2002Winter/ibot.html

      In that article, it mentions that Kurt Heinzmann (
      who, as far as I can ascertain, is the same as your guy...Kurt is his middle name) was hired into DEKA in 1992 to work full time on the IBOT. He was the first full time engineer put on that project. It discusses his extensive involvement in the project, including the fact that he was the one to solve the stair climbing problem. However, it seems to me that the basic design had already existed prior to his being hired, and that Dean Kamen had significant involvement in the creation.

      The way it's cited in the article, I would say it's very fair to credit Dean Kamen as the inventor. At the very absolute least, he was a co-inventor. But to state that Dean Kamen was not the inventor would be inaccurate.

      Now, granted above I'm talking about the iBOT. Segway is a different product. Perhaps you are claiming that DK had little or no involvement in that project, and that Heinzmann conceived it or was responsible for it somehow. I don't see anything to substantiate that claim. Perhaps the book "Code name Ginger" would answer the question, but I haven't read it. Still, even if that were the case (and I'm highly doubtful), I think it would be a bit harsh to try and cut Dean out of credit given how it evolved from the iBOT

  38. Re:Not the inventor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    More specifically, he was the chairman of HESCO bastion, a company that makes large cube-shaped wire & cloth baskets you fill with sand. They are used for flood control as well as by the military for defensive walls.

  39. Psst. by Slartibartfast · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just an FYI, the XT and X2 lines have been out for years; *IF* that's what he was riding -- and there truly is no other "off-road" Segway -- then it is what it is... but it ain't new.

  40. Chlorine for the Gene Pool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This.

  41. Re:Not the inventor by nibbles2004 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why don't you fall off a cliff, this guy left school at 15, become a miner , apparently gave millions to charity, provided defensive fortification's for the armed forces, i suspect he did a lot more in his life, to help and protect people than you ever will in your un-important existence. Your lack of respect and humanity says more about you , your values, your upbringing than anything else.

  42. True to its name... by vortex2.71 · · Score: 1

    True to its name, the Segway provided a segue into the next stage of life.

  43. Certainly Not But Why Phrase It That Way? by eldavojohn · · Score: 1

    Is this the first confirmed death while operating a Segway?

    It's hard to say. I think there have been reports of people dying from Segway accidents (2004 Las Vegas accident) but it's never really been clear if the Segway killed the person. I'd imagine if someone hopped on your product and rode off a cliff you wouldn't be so quick to say it was a death from riding your product. However, could you find someone that had a heart attack or went into diabetic shock and died from lack of medical attention while operating a Segway? Yeah, probably. I don't think it's right to blame the product here. You obviously have to consider the danger inherently present in the individual as well as his or her surroundings. The Las Vegas accident was a speedway incident involving a 59 year old falling into a pit area during the SKUSA SuperNats car racing event. Can you blame the product?

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    1. Re:Certainly Not But Why Phrase It That Way? by blair1q · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you lost your balance (due to vertigo upon seeing the dropoff) near the cliff and leaned forward instead of back, then the segway would have killed you.

      Personally, I think this is going to turn out to be what happened.

      As to who's to blame... the Seqway isn't intuitive. You have to learn the muscle memory and you have to practice coupling it to situational awareness in order to get the machine to go where you want. If you are suddenly in a new situation -- something the randomness of rugged terrain does to you constantly -- it would be easy for your neuromuscular system to make an unexpected adjustment. You might as well be throwing control-system darts. Add vertigo, which is a condition where the neuromuscular system is misinterpreting and misapplying the information available to it, and you could continue to apply the wrong force. I.e., drunken control-system darts.

      He'd have had to have trained under safe conditions (ropes, nets, etc.) in that configuration of ridge, cliff height, and lighting to learn how to use it near the edge of a cliff, and therefore take the Segway out of the blame equation. The rule for the thing should be never to ride it in a more dangerous situation than you've been trained to ride it in.

  44. Am I the only... by docrmc · · Score: 1

    ...who thinks one can simultaneously quietly smirk and feel sorry for the guy? i believe the feelings are mutually exclusive. (I've seen enough people watching Jackass-type stunts who wince, laugh and are appalled by the idiocy, in the same breath.) Recognizing and acknowledging coincidence doesn't make you de-facto evil- it's in how it's expressed. but above all, my strongest reaction is.. who the hell tests a vehicle near a cliff?! wait..who let's the _head_ of a company test a vehicle..near a cliff?! doesn't some common sense, protective mechanism, insurance policy, sense of self-preservation kick in, at some point?

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  45. A Road Runner was seen fleeing the scene ... by xleeko · · Score: 1

    In a related note, the proposal to rename Segway into Acme Incorporated was put on hold for the time being.

  46. This was his segway into the afterlife by erroneus · · Score: 1, Funny

    I guess this was his segway into the afterlife!

    (* Rimshot! *)

  47. Re:Not the inventor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um, so? He got rich of off making stuff for the MIC. In this case "freaking walls." How does this refute any facts? He just makes war easier to wage.

  48. Re:Not the inventor by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So do farmers and prostitutes.

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  49. Re:Not the inventor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You left out the "made millions selling crates of rocks and sand that taxpayers overpaid for to keep the MIC going and assist in the defense of the ongoing military invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan."

    I'm also not sure why leaving school at 15 and becoming a miner makes him more highly valued, but it sounds like you have a twisted set of values anyway.

  50. Sad to read this... by X86Daddy · · Score: 1

    After reading more, I realize this is an actual tragic death. The first couple times I saw the headline, I thought it was certainly an Onion article.

  51. Re:Not the inventor by kevinNCSU · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, in that case nobody should be giving haircuts, becoming medical doctors, or growing food either. Surely the bastards won't fight when they're starving with nobody to patch up their friends they accidentally shoot because they've got their hair in their eyes.

  52. Sounds like a Segfault by grahamsaa · · Score: 2, Funny

    worst. crash. ever.

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  53. Not Segway-related by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This death has nothing to do with the Segway device. The man probably had a heart attack and fell off. It is rare for a Segway to just simply fail as it has many redundant subsystems. It is even less likely for a Segway failure to result in serious injury as the speeds involved are just not that high.

    1. Re:Not Segway-related by Just+Brew+It! · · Score: 1

      Umm... last time I checked, none of those "redundant systems" are designed to prevent the user from driving it off a cliff. RTFA.

    2. Re:Not Segway-related by Andrewkov · · Score: 1

      Terminal velocity is pretty fast..

    3. Re:Not Segway-related by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to see this but wtf the moral of the story is, drive off a cliff you are probaly doing to die.

  54. Hit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was an assassination.

  55. Re:Not the inventor by moonbender · · Score: 1

    What percentage of HESCO's business is generated by the military? What percentage of farmers' and prostitutes' business is generated by the military? Obviously there isn't a clear cut barrier here, there rarely is IRL.

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  56. Re:Not the inventor by mmaniaci · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Without war a defense contractor would be out of a job. Bombs, guns, or walls, contributing to war is contributing to war.

  57. Re:Testing prototypes can be hazardous by moonbender · · Score: 1

    I guess I'll continue getting rid of my weed the old fashioned way. ;) Sorry, could not resist, hope you get better RSN. At least it makes for a good story.

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  58. Contradiction in terms by wealthychef · · Score: 0

    "defense contractor and philanthropist?" Really? I'm not sure those two are entirely compatible species.

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    1. Re:Contradiction in terms by couchslug · · Score: 1

      ""defense contractor and philanthropist?" Really? I'm not sure those two are entirely compatible species."

      Worked for Alfred Nobel. Also, HESCO bastion is purely defensive.

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  59. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Segway to heaven?

  60. I Am So Sorry by b4upoo · · Score: 1

    The Segway is a wonderful device that the world needs to strongly embrace. Like all devices it should improve over the years. To the extent that sales of Segway devices suffer loss of sales this is a tragedy for the entire world. And of course the individual and his family have my prayers as well.

    1. Re: I Am So Sorry by RapmasterT · · Score: 1

      why does the world need to embrace the segway? It fills a niche that frankly barely exists, and it fills it in a non-unique, overpriced, and overly complex fashion.

      as far as getting better with time. It's had 10 years so far, and it's yet to grow even one extra wheel that would define a plane of balance.

    2. Re: I Am So Sorry by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure in what way the Segway brings any improvements over pre-existing transportation devices. Other than in a few niche usages, the Segway is inferior to the transportation method it seeks to supplant.

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    3. Re: I Am So Sorry by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Selling fewer overpriced inferior bicycle substitutes is a 'tragedy for the entire world'?

      No b4upoo the tragedy is the Segways not running off cliffs with their idiot riders.

      What the world needs is a Segway control system virus containing a database of killing drops and a shortest path algorithm.

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  61. Re:Not the inventor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So what - it enables the US troops to continue the illegal war of agression against Afghanistan for example. It's all part of the war machine.

  62. Re:Not the inventor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, the donations and national support are nice. However most of the fifteen year olds I've met had already been minors for years...

  63. Re:Testing prototypes can be hazardous by couchslug · · Score: 1

    Best to test such things to destruction in a fixture before using them in manned operations.

    Also, were you wearing chainsaw protective chaps or pants?

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  64. Re:Not the inventor by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

    Depending on where they are based anywhere between 0 ant 100%...

  65. Re:Not the inventor by nschubach · · Score: 1

    Well... one could argue that without military we'd all still be hunting nomads and we'd have no need for farms to produce more food than needed to survive. Also, there would likely be no farms without military to protect it... So, I could say that farm businesses rely on military.

    Also, not everything the military buys is used for war.

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  66. Actually, it isn't used on air ducts... by postermmxvicom · · Score: 3, Informative
    I know this personally from professionals in the field, but here is a quote:

    To provide lab data about which sealants and tapes last, and which are likely to fail, research was conducted at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Environmental Energy Technologies Division. Their major conclusion was that one should not use duct tape to seal ducts (specialty tapes are available for this purpose). (They defined duct tape as any fabric-based tape with rubber adhesive.) The testing done shows that under challenging but realistic conditions, duct tapes become brittle and may fail.[6] Commonly duct tape carries no safety certifications such as UL or Proposition 65, which means the tape may burn violently, producing toxic smoke; it may cause ingestion and contact toxicity; it can have irregular mechanical strength; and its adhesive may have low life expectancy. Its use in ducts has been prohibited by the state of California[7] and by building codes in most other places in the U.S. However, metalized and aluminum tapes used by professionals are still often called "duck/duct tapes".

    from Wikipedia

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  67. Re:Not the inventor by moonbender · · Score: 1

    One could argue a whole lot of things but few of them are relevant to the question whether or not this guy (and his company) got rich selling stuff to the MIC.

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  68. *Buzz, buzz, followed by a lurch foward* by thescreg · · Score: 1

    "Damnit, I dont think I will ever figure this bloody thing ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut!"

  69. Wrong Segway to go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This wouldn't have happened if he were using the latest POGO Segway... instead of the "ruggedized" Segway.

  70. Re:Not the inventor by moonbender · · Score: 1

    Very true. So if you were judgemental about people who deal primarily with the military, you might consider farmers (or prostitutes) selling almost exclusively to the army in a bad light.

    OTOH, it seems sensible to consider the profession or the market as a whole: since much of the market for groceries is NOT military, it's reasonable to assume a farmer probably didn't enter the market to sell to them in particular, he just sells to the "highest bidder" (or something like it) irrespective of their status. For instance, a farmer in Iraq might conceivably do most of his business with the US forces, simply because they pay the highest price and/or they are much of the market that exists in his area right now. (I have no idea whether this example has any resemblance to real life.)

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  71. Surely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely he bumped in to you?

    As long as he has not bumped you off...

  72. Re:Not the inventor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    one could argue that without military we'd all still be hunting nomads

    Are you suggesting that the military hunts the nomads for us now?

  73. Lawyers... where're the coffin chaser? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder whom his family is going to sue for the apparent colossal failure of a defective product?

  74. Points for style by Almahtar · · Score: 1

    If I'm ever a rich guy I'm going to make a point of dying in some eccentric fashion. I mean think about it - the mental picture of a rich dude driving a segway off a cliff into a river is just epic.

    I'm not trying to make light of the fact that this man's life ended, just giving tribute and appreciation to the manner in which it ended. Better than choking on a ham sandwich.

  75. not irony by yyxx · · Score: 1

    One man's irony is another man's poetic justice.

  76. But is it Ionic? by AgentSmith · · Score: 1

    Isn't it Ionic?
    Dontcha think?
    A little too Ionic.
    Yeah, I really do think.

    It's not Covalent boooooonds
    On your Wedding Day

    It's the free electrooooooon
    that ya just couldn't take.

  77. Segway Sales Small Print Says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..."Parachute sold separately."

  78. Re:Not the inventor by yyxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whether it's a gun that kills more people or a barrier that allows troops to advance safely to where they can kill more people really amounts to the same thing.

  79. Rewind 25 years, then go forwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only Alan Sugar had bought the Sinclair C5 as well, and been flattened by a sixteen-wheeler while trying it out.

  80. ROFLMAOFFACLIFF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This story is funny and ironic.
    How the hell do you fall off a cliff riding one of these things and he was on his own estate?
    This guy needs a Darwin award!
    Did anyone find out if the segway survived the fall?

  81. slashdot posters are getting younger every day! by fantomas · · Score: 1

    Wow these slashdot posters are getting younger every day!

    You used to read crazy posts about employment that made you suspicious that the poster hadn't actually ever had a job so was probably a university student. Occasionally there were posts with wild suggestions about university life that made you suspect that the poster was a teenager still at school.

    Now I've read a post which asks "...Have you ever ridden a bike on the street?.." . By heck, I think the under 10s are now posting ....

    ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist it - I am sure you meant something different but it kind of read like your mother doesn't think you're old enough to ride your bike on the roads yet... :-)

  82. Re:Testing prototypes can be hazardous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shinguards

  83. Still, It's A Great Invention by FrankDrebin · · Score: 1

    Found next to the body was the Segway, still in the upright position.

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  84. At least this song won't be at the funeral... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll probably go to hell for this (and apologies to Parry Gripp), but cue the jingle...

    Corporate executive riding on a Segway!
    Corporate executive riding on a Segway!
    Corporate executive riding on a Segway!
    Bam bam ba bam bam bam!

    Corporate executive riding on a Segway!
    Corporate executive riding on a Segway!
    Corporate executive riding on a Segway!
    Bam bam ba ba bam bam!

    He's got a helmet on
    And he's going off a cliff
    And don't that old lady look surprised?

    Aaaaayyyyyieeeeeeeeee!!!

    Corporate executive riding on a Segway!
    Corporate executive riding on a Segway!
    Corporate executive riding on a Segway!
    Bam bam ba bam bam bam!
    Bam bam ba bam bam baaaaaam!

  85. X2 by digitalvendetta · · Score: 1

    The X2.... bringing rent-a-cops to flea markets everywhere.

  86. Whatever you do.. by t0rc · · Score: 0

    Oh my goodness, what a Segway into a capaign for the dangers of driving recreational vehicles.

  87. Instrumental protecting out troops abroad by gladbach · · Score: 1

    Lets be a little bit more respectful. Most of the soldiers in iraq and afghanistan can probably thank him for their lives due to his invention of the Hesco bastion:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesco_bastion

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  88. Accident or suicide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just speculating, but is it possible this wasn't an accident? Was he ill or about to investigated for something? It just sounds so odd: riding a Segway off a cliff? Why not just bail out? They don't go that fast.

  89. Baldric, do you know what 'irony' is? by zooblethorpe · · Score: 1

    Yeah, it's like goldy or bronzey, only it's made of iron.

    Cheers,

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  90. Re:Not the inventor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why don't you fall off a cliff, this guy left school at 15, become a miner , apparently gave millions to charity, provided defensive fortification's for the armed forces, i suspect he did a lot more in his life, to help and protect people than you ever will in your un-important existence. Your lack of respect and humanity says more about you , your values, your upbringing than anything else.

    Sorry.

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  91. humor by Cazakatari · · Score: 1

    While I know this is an unfortunate event, I have to say that the comments on this thread are the funniest I've read all week.

    My opinion is, any good man probably wouldn't have a problem with others finding some amusement about his death, and any bad man does a great service to mankind with post-mortem amusement . Personally I'd want everyone who knew or cared about my death, including my family, to find something funny about it. Or laugh at all the stupid and or funny things I did in life.

  92. Re:Not the inventor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean really you are taking this so seriously I am guessing this guy as he was going over the side of the cliff probably thought to himself "well at least people can get some good laughs out of this one". Life starts and ends nothing new and nothing different. There is nothing to be upset about cause it is what it is but seriously HE DROVE OFF A CLIFF WITH A SEGWAY..... rofl

  93. Call the marketing department... by Snufu · · Score: 1

    We're going to have to scrap that "See the white cliffs of Dover in your Segway!" ad campaign.

  94. Design Flaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While using a ruggedized X2 version of the two-wheeled balancing scooter at his estate in North Yorkshire, he apparently drove over the edge of a precipice and into the River Wharfe.

    Clearly they should have ruggedized the rider.

  95. Re:Not the inventor by QuantumBeep · · Score: 1

    Cubes of rock and sand...

    There's a Minecraft joke in here somewhere.

  96. Re:Testing prototypes can be hazardous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, that's nuts. Do you have a youtube video of it or anything?

  97. You have 3 choices for your own death: by RexDevious · · Score: 1

    1. Be a nice guy and die tragically: making your last act on earth to make people sad.
    2. Be a jerk and die any way at all: making your last act on earth to make people relieved.
    3. Be a nice guy, and die in ironic or comical way: making your last act funny enough to take the sting out of your death.

    If you've always tried to be a nice guy, when your time goes - try to go out on something that won't make your funeral any more morbid that it has to be. I can't really afford a segway, so I'm always on the lookout for a good sale on Rocket Skates or giant slingshots.

  98. how lazy do you have to be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to ride a segway to your death? All you have to do to escape is take a step backwards. its not like you are sitting down or anything!

  99. Re:Not the inventor by mjwx · · Score: 1

    What percentage of farmers' and prostitutes' business is generated by the military?

    Pattaya, the sex tourism capital of the world grew up around the US military base at U-Tapao, Thailand in the 60's and 70's.

    Angeles City, the next biggest sex tourism destination grew up around the Clarke AFB in Pampanga, Philippines in the 70's and 80's.

    As far an an industry goes, prostitution gets a lot from the Military (ahem, I mean income wise).

    Obviously there isn't a clear cut barrier here

    Well perhaps we can order some Hesco Bastions and make one.

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  100. I guess he can't sue his own company by vaporland · · Score: 1

    since he's dead....

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  101. Sad day by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    It's a sad day for geeks. Then again, most days are sad for geeks :(

    (Moves on to develop the product that will make him wealthy. One day. Perhaps....)

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  102. Simpsons did it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fly Segway, fly!

  103. Re:Testing prototypes can be hazardous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ouch! Did you have any protective gear on at the time? And were you compensated for the testing you were performing?

  104. Harsh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "declared dead on the scene" Hardly surprising if he's dead. Anyway, he was married. Oh, you meant "declared dead at the scene"!

  105. $4500? by DG · · Score: 1

    Try $800.

    Bicycle frames (with a few exceptions) and not counting the department store crap, are pretty much all the same throughout the model range once you hit the $800 price point. What changes is the level of the groupset. Sora->Ultegra->Dura Ace for Shimano road, Alivio->Deore->XT->XTR for Shimano mountain bike.

    The advantage of the higher groupset is primarily weight, not quality. A Deore or Sora based bike will perform just as well for just as long as a Dura Ace or XTR bike, but it will weigh more.

    The addition of suspension to mountain bikes skews the price somewhat, as there are ranges in the forks/shocks as well. An $800 mountain bike will be a hardtail with a springer (probably undamped) fork; you need to get into the $1500 range or so to start getting decent forks, and a proper full squish will be around $2000.

    Carbon frames also push prices upwards, but carbon is nowhere near as pricey as it used to be.

    My Cervelo - a top-line road bike - equipped with Ultegra/FSA, was a tick under $3000, and it is top-notch in terms of quality. And it is 16 lbs.

    For road bikes, $800 gets you a decent bike. Over $2000, nothing is crap or really compromised any more. All the extra money gets you is lighter weight.

    DG

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    1. Re:$4500? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Err, sorta.

      In addition to reducing weight, they do more QC on the higher-end stuff. DA is less likely to have alignment issues than Sora, for instance. Campy Super Record is really close to Record (the difference is almost all cosmetic), but Record is a ways above Chorus.

      As for frames, yes, there's a lot of inflated expectations in prices, but quality is not invariant. At a higher price point you're getting a lighter frame that's actually stiffer than the lower-priced models, and is likely to have fewer internal flaws and a longer life.

      My problem with carbon is that it's like a helmet. Whack it once, and you can't trust it any more. I've been looking for a nice ride for a couple of years, while tooling around on a $1k Trek/Lemond that has Shimano 105 on it. Test rides have proved that there's a palpable difference, but there's always something wrong with the dream bike. The Tarmac tracked great but had painful roadfeel, for instance. DA 7900 is more precise than 105 5600 (I'm constantly fiddling the barrel adjuster on that thing) but the loud clack it makes on shifts is jarring.

      Yeah, sure, there's "basic transportation" and "good ride", but as I learned with cars you can't really decry the luxury segment until you've had a couple of years in it and then try to find the same feeling in an economical vehicle. I just hope I still have the legs and my ass doesn't get any bigger when I finally do go "what the fuck" and get a Pinarello with the DI2 and the Zipps. But first I want to see what Cancellara's riding next year. Can't leave out the fan-boy points in the decision process.

  106. do you have an organ donor card? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    if so, continue to enjoy your dance with death with my blessing

    because its nice to know you are there to give me a new liver or kidney if i need one

    anyone who has to risk death to enjoy life is suffering from a psychological problem in my book, sorry

    i may lack balls in your book. in my book, you lack a brain

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