Btw, i just checked out the sunflower and boeing models. I'm not sure they show off exactly what you're referring to becauese there is no text explaining what is going on in the scene so here is my assumption...
In the sunflower case, each peddle is rendered, and each leave is as well (this is nothing new or specific to raytracing) In fact, each of those peddles and leaves are "Instances" of 1 peddle, and 1 leave. Its simply cloned in memory from the source objects and it saves down on polygon count/memory especially if its rendered in "buckets".
The plane example:
I'm not sure if that geometry is nurbs or polygon. If its nurbs, then the tesselation is quite dynamic and every "rivet" is probably only a few polygons based on its size in relation to pixel size and screen space. So its not quite as high polygon in relation to how detailed the data looks. The same goes for all of the detailed parts. They're probably efficiently tessellated based on screen space.
are both of these shots from a realtime raytrace or are they just static renders?
The whole leave thing isnt new. Its been done for a while (for anyone curious) but in games, i think it still all boils down to polycount because deformations and animation are still heavily invovled. We can instance, or clone objects in memory such as leaves or the spokes of a bicycle wheel, but like you said, when it comes down to having independent movement, simulation, skeletal deformation etc... polygon count is still a serious problem and i woudld rather do what speed tree does, than say render ever leaf of a tree. Instead of fully modelled leaves, you have quads for each leave and texture them... or quads for groups of leaves because it will allow you to do branch and leaf movement in realtime a lot easier... and still look pretty dam good.
I'm not saying it has to be the old school giant quad for a tree leaf cluster... but instead 3 leafs per quad, or evne 1 leaf texture per quad is more effecient than millions of polygons just for tree leaves. I'd rather put the detail in the characters and things you deal with on screen more.
Another thing to consider is screen size. I'm on a 30inch lcd... and rendering very demanding games at 2560x1600 can be a challenge on todays hardware. The bigger LCD monitors get, the higher the native resolution gets.
I'm not so sure raytracing is the way to go yet... It should be an option though. I dont think the average gamer could tell the difference in most cases. Even in animation, we use hybrid renderers that do both raytracing and scanline because they both have their place. So i'm curious to see realtime raytracing advance, but i'm not so quick to proclaim it the new standard because performance is better when you dont raytrace.
I've been working in 3d modelling and animation professionaly for a long time, and started back in 3ds in the dos days and povray...
Honestly i've never heard this. I've never experienced this either. From a performance point of view, raytracing as always been heavier with larger poly counts.
But it is interesting, perhaps i'm wrong and i've never noticed and its worth checking into. After all i'm more of a modeller and animator than a render coder;) but i've been around a while in the field.
Actually your tree example has nothing at all to do with raytracing. Textured Quads are used for leaves because of polygon count. The polygon count required to create every individual leave is extremely huge and it takes not only more render power but a hell of a lot more setup/translation processing.
The higher polygon count required would put just as much demand on a raytracer as it would on a reyes or scanline renderer. In fact it may put more stress because raytracing scenes tends to require larger amounts of data being available in memory for each raytrace as it passes through transparent surfaces and bounces off reflective surfaces...
I agree... the bad things began after Seagate took over Maxtor.
Maxtor's were good for a period, but towads the end of the Maxtor years, their drives had a very bad reputation for failure.
My first 1gig drive was a Seagate from many years ago and it served me a long long time and it only broke because i pulled a pin off the power plug and did not bother to try and fix it.
Seagate makes good products, and this is not good to see. Personally i think some of Seagates products now are really "Maxtor" products:)... and those are the ones that tend to crap out. I'm not a fan of their external drives etc. No fans, they heat up like mad and die fairly easily.
Our country (USA) is run on fear. Our media sells us fear because we love it. Our politicians use that fear for personal gain and power.
So... dont expect a politician to suddenly acknowledge this report.
EVERYONE on the internet knows that kid touchers are not the norm... but it seems that the media just loves to paint the world as dangerous, rather than acknowledge that the world is full of GOOD people, more so than bad. Of course ironically, if they focused on the bad, they would probably be pointing the cameras at their bosses, CEOs, and political guests...
Watch it, because you know they're going to blame GTA IV for your aggression.
On a side note, if you could some how make that all sequencially happen and then end with a big spinning pin wheel of body parts and shit in front of his parents... I wouldnt say i condoned it, but... i certainly would understand:)
No, I think we are here to talk about this peice of shit of a human. He profits of creating computer cancer. Thats wonderful isnt it folks, oh lets all learn how to do the same or worse...
We will be so proud of ourselves then.
The problem is the market that existed in the first place, and the lengths at which they will go to destroy your computer for their gain. Fuck them all the way, fuck their families and if he has children, i hope his kids hate him for being the peice of shit human that he is.
Yes, violent games can make you aggressive... while playing them. Violent videogames does not mean you will turn into a murderous psychopath that loves to steel cars and rape... No, that would be the economy.
Wait, a sec. Its not a "my number is bigger than your number" thing. This is evolutionary.
I know what software/hardware we use in my field. With all due respect, you do not have to try to tell me:) I'm sure you use plenty of hardware and software that i'm not familiar with in ID, and i certainly am interested in hearing about it from your angle but heres mine...
You mentioned video editing has been done on 32bit platforms... That is true, been there, done that... but home video is now HD and film has been 2000x2000 pixels 8 bit, but now it can be as high as 4000Kx4000K at full dynamic 32bit float (32bit per channel) (depending on studio pipelines). They not just 24bit color with 8bit alphas, they're full High dynamic range wide gamut formats at 2k or 4k uncompressed. This isnt 8bit MiniDV. It requires serious hardware. Even Final cut guys in their bedroom are editing 10bit (per channel) video at 1080P with 8GB of ram and black magic hardware on 64bit macs.
We dont live in an 8bit color world anymore. 8-bit color cant capture enough dynamic range to allow the same workflows that we use today. Which is often combining exposures, adjusting exposures in post, and color correction. 8 bit doesnt have the range.
Photoshop... is another story. Its not the same old days as it used to be. We dont edit in 8bit per channel color anymore. We edit in 16-bit per channel color with a very wide gamut color space at 240 to 300dpi. We also use LOTS of layers. A 10 (consumer grade) to 35 Mega Pixel (medium format) camera files, at 16bit per channel color, with lots of layers eats ram for lunch dinner and a late night snack. Even a 10MP photo will. Your numbers of 32,000x 32,000 may not be resolution of the image itself, but when you take a picture that is lets say 4000x5000 (I'm averaging here) and its at 16 bit per channel, at 300 dpi, with anywhere from 10 to 30 layers on it... yeah it adds up quick and it very easily reaches your 32,000x32,000 number of pixels! I have pictures with a lot of layers, and they go up to 2GIG. I've hit the PSD file size limit, and was forced to use Adobe's PSB format which can be larger than 2gig:)
OK so you say "GOD man, collapse your layers"... I often do, but its nice to not lose the ability to "go back and edit" from a certain point. You never know when you will be asked to make a change. So layers have certainly put a demand on performance and ram.
A lot of photographers are shooting HDR images these days, since most cameras are taking 12bit to 14bit per channel raw data that can be used to combine exposures into a single 32bit per channel hdr image.
Its not the old 8 bit days. I dread 8 bit. I only go there if i have to print or export for web. I would NEVER edit in 8bit these days because the extra bits per channel give all of us a lot more headroom when doing things like color correction and exposure adjustments. 8 bit (per channel) is too limiting.
Those of us working film (movies), have to serve up 2K x 2K frames or worse (4K x 4K) in OpenEXR format, tif, etc at 32its per channel and be able to manipulate them all kinds of ways, and see them play back in real time at 24P. It usually involves proxy files etc cause bandwidth and data are a bitch still. So it helps it store it all in RAM. 64bit is very important now in the content creation field, especially film and photography.
Now yes this does tend to fall into the "high end of things" but at the same time it does not because a lot of us do this on high end PC hardware. Quadcores with Quadros, lots of ram and a network that serves up files fast. But for the general public, ram usage is not going down, it is only increasing. All one need to do is go back to dos... 640K was fine then... (or was it ?) It wasnt. Dell was selling Pentium II's with 128 MB of ram at one point, to the same grandmothers that use the dells that are sold with 2 GB of ram today. They use them for the same purpose. Dell's low end PC's aimed at mom and pop still come with 2 GB of ram.
Yes but, 64bit Windows has a 32bit emulation layer so you can run 32bit software. It works quite well with no performance penalty.
Yes you cant install Vista or Windows 7 on a Pentium Pro 200, but who the hell would want to?
Its not for those old 32bit cpus.
You are so wrong about 64-bit. I cant believe you are a computer user/enthusiast.
Lets just limit CPU speed too then. Why do we need progress when only a few do? Oh that wont raise prices to ridiculous levels and birth an elite highend market...
Come on. You're idea of 64-bit is so way off.
First off, I do photography as a hobby, and 3D modelling and animation for a living. I definitely need 64-bit. The amount of polygons and texture data that i push is ridiculous. So its not just for servers, and engineering.
Ok well 3D modelling and animation is specialized... sort of. Its a huge job market (oversaturated to shit but theres lots of folks out there doing it around the world).
The same goes for Music. There are lots of folks editing their own music in their basements. How about video?
How about photography? Its quite easy to make a photoshop file that eats up 2GB of ram. What do you do then in 32bit windows? Try the/3G switch?
Come on. Photoshop 64bit is now available for a reason.
Ram is there to be used, and when its limited... you're limited. 64-bit is not a "server" os. It is an essential part of computing progress.
32-bit is dead, and it will never last. So we switch now, or later. Frankly I'm for now because i'm about progress and I know how many folks need that extra ram above 4gig.
I can max out 8GB with data i create.
And its not just about folks who create massive amounts of data and need it in ram. Its also about running multiple applications at the same time that demand lots of ram.
Try running Photoshop and Softimage XSI in a 32bit OS at the same time, both with 2GB of data per process. Its horrible & impossible.
Its not about servers... its about performance and useability.
I agree that not everyone has high ram requirements, but they should not be the anchor that drags down progression. We dont measure computing needs by the few. Its quite the opposite, we tend to push performance and those that need less, can easily obtain it affordably because they are assured that their minimal requirements are always met thanks to the progress of those who push performance.
Wrong. Anyone doing 3d modelling & animation, photography, music, video editing, special fx, programming, running multiple applications at once, enjoys better performance (no disk swapping), etc...
should be running a 64bit os.
32-bit is dead. Stop holding all of us back by insisting that it is is not. Dont you see the damage you do by keeping us in a 32bit OS? Do you know how hard it was to get 64-bit drivers for XP?
Vista helped a lot since MS forced everyone, but it is still extremely important that we do not limit progress, just because grandma cant do shit with her computer.
What the fuck google. Finish GTALK, you know the one you run on your computer? The fucking Gtalk in Gmail through web browser gets all of the attention while the shitty desktop version that has the nice simple clean ui, gets NO DEVELOPEMENT.
Ok... so google did put out a Gtalk desktop version that is called something like "secret super duper google version only for you desperate users version"...
But it blows!
Gtalk should own the IM world. AIM sucks (ad ridden fagware), trillian is bloated moose shit, miranda is a stripped down mess of plugins that does nothing right, and pidgin... pidgin is the fucking saddest peice of shit i've ever used next to itunes.
The world is in need of a good im client and google might have had it, if they kept going but google doesnt really care about finishing software do they?
No. I predicted this response to my post... There is no answer to everything or every situation... and your point is valid.
But in this situation or similar ones, its best to weigh your own personal involvement, how right you are, and the effect it will have on the larger whole. If a cop unlawfully beats an innocent photographer who was in the right, then it most certainly is worth fighting legally.
But if we're talking about taking photos in front of a train... no trial is going to change that situation really. The next time someone does it, some other cop would probably do the same thing and tell the person to leave or arrest them etc.
Its worth fighting for if you think the outcome will have enough weight to actually make it through the bureaucracy. However chances are, If a photog went to court and won and then next year attempted the very same photo, a different cop would more than likely arrest them again. But the photog explained, "I went to court last year and won! They said i could do this" and the new cop says "yeah sure pal... if you're going to refuse and protest this, i'm going to arrest your fucking ass for disobedience."... And so the photog was arrested again...
There are lots of things worth fighting for, but everyday we fight for things other than civil rights, such as making a living, paying the bills etc. Sometimes standing up, isnt worth the additional stress, and work.
Sometimes it is...
So to answer your question... It depends on the situation and its a personal matter. A real change would come from a much larger movement and not from some formal complaint to the PD.
AND... who is to say that you arent making a change by being polite, and leaving when asked after explaining the situation? Sometimes by complying a cop will turn around and say thank you and let you do what you need before sending you on your way. Its happened to me before. I've had a cop be rather stern and direct once and he said "You cant be here" and after I spoke to him and he saw what was going on, he said "you've got 35 minutes, then leave. I'll be back to check on you". And then when they came back, they said "I dont care, I had my supervisor in the car. As long as you're not causing trouble or damaging property, its fine. Just dont stay here too late because if you get into trouble security wont be around.
Photographers have it really bad in this country... more than ever.
It is very important to have something like this with you, or to at least read it and have a copy. There are other resources online about Photographer rights and how they pertain.
Cops dont like to be challenged. They especially do not like to be outsmarted. So before you spring one of these papers on a cop and say "gotcha!", you should be polite and as nonthreatening as you can possibly be.
Make the officer feel comfortable with you, even if the officer is being a complete dick. You can often diffuse their attitude with politeness because people respond to respect and politeness.
I've taking pictures on public places, doing outdoor photo shoots etc and I've had cops check us out to see what is going on. They usually just observe to make sure you're not causing trouble or destroying property. All they really want to know is if you're trouble or not.
If they ask you what you're doing, say its for school, and you're learning photography. If you have GEAR... real gear, they're probably going to figure out you're telling the truth. Who the hell is lugging around soft boxes and strobes to public places, intending to anything illegal or harmful? Permits are smart if you can get them. But lets be real... sometimes we dont shoot with permits in "low risk of being arrested" situations:)
I can understand how police may not want you taking pictures of trains or the station but there really isnt anything wrong with it. Especially since AMTRAK was holding a contest. People have historically taking photos of trains and family members boarding or arriving at stations. Its so common that I cant imagine not being able to shoot a photo in front of a train or of a train.
I would never delete a picture a cop told me to. Thats ridiculous. I grew up skateboarding, and we would record ourselves street skating all over and I had to deal with many cops, and in general they've been nice. Most just want you to leave, and then there are some who are just assholes. In general, most of the cops were good natured folks... stern and authoritative but... good folks.
Its the dumb assholes that ruin it. Unfortunately most people dont really care about their personal freedoms anymore, and police sometimes dont act with "civil rights" in mind. Theres a video somewhere online where a cop slams a female photographer on the street, she hits her face and is seriously hurt. She wasnt even doing anything wrong other than being witness to a civil protest. Things like that make me sad and make me wonder just what America is anymore.
Anyways... be nice, know your rights and CONVERSE with the officer if possible. Make them feel comfortable with you. Ultimately if they want you to leave... its best to leave because it will just cost you a lot of money to fight it in court... even if you're right. The time wasted, the headaches, the nonsense... its not worth it sometimes.
I've been saying America is dead for a long time. It just goes to show you that your rights dont mean shit and everyday you need to make sure you stand up for them.
George Carlin said it best... just google Carlin "You have no rights" on youtube.
That goes both ways. I dont give a shit how many legos, the lego company gives me, but if i invent a machine that cures cancer, out of legos... and I paid for them... You can bet your ass, Lego aint getting a piece of the deal.
The problem is, students need to be made aware that not only is there a stupid policy regarding IP at their schools, but also that they must be aware of self preservation in the face of giant corporates that would take their ideas selfishly like this.
Perhaps its the inventors time to simply say "if I dont retain ownership and control, then i'll just never invent the dam thing and to fucking hell with all of you and the rest of the world." Then simply go watch tv, or play team fortress 2.
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You're just an old ugly man that doesnt get the hott pussy you pretend to fuck when you jack off...
I am that man too.
Shush...
So the ISP's will eat themselves alive and stagnate innovation, and progression. Good job RIAA... I hope your shitty tunes are worth it all.
Btw, i just checked out the sunflower and boeing models. I'm not sure they show off exactly what you're referring to becauese there is no text explaining what is going on in the scene so here is my assumption...
In the sunflower case, each peddle is rendered, and each leave is as well (this is nothing new or specific to raytracing) In fact, each of those peddles and leaves are "Instances" of 1 peddle, and 1 leave. Its simply cloned in memory from the source objects and it saves down on polygon count/memory especially if its rendered in "buckets".
The plane example:
I'm not sure if that geometry is nurbs or polygon. If its nurbs, then the tesselation is quite dynamic and every "rivet" is probably only a few polygons based on its size in relation to pixel size and screen space. So its not quite as high polygon in relation to how detailed the data looks. The same goes for all of the detailed parts. They're probably efficiently tessellated based on screen space.
are both of these shots from a realtime raytrace or are they just static renders?
The whole leave thing isnt new. Its been done for a while (for anyone curious) but in games, i think it still all boils down to polycount because deformations and animation are still heavily invovled. We can instance, or clone objects in memory such as leaves or the spokes of a bicycle wheel, but like you said, when it comes down to having independent movement, simulation, skeletal deformation etc... polygon count is still a serious problem and i woudld rather do what speed tree does, than say render ever leaf of a tree. Instead of fully modelled leaves, you have quads for each leave and texture them... or quads for groups of leaves because it will allow you to do branch and leaf movement in realtime a lot easier... and still look pretty dam good.
I'm not saying it has to be the old school giant quad for a tree leaf cluster... but instead 3 leafs per quad, or evne 1 leaf texture per quad is more effecient than millions of polygons just for tree leaves. I'd rather put the detail in the characters and things you deal with on screen more.
Another thing to consider is screen size. I'm on a 30inch lcd... and rendering very demanding games at 2560x1600 can be a challenge on todays hardware. The bigger LCD monitors get, the higher the native resolution gets.
I'm not so sure raytracing is the way to go yet... It should be an option though. I dont think the average gamer could tell the difference in most cases. Even in animation, we use hybrid renderers that do both raytracing and scanline because they both have their place. So i'm curious to see realtime raytracing advance, but i'm not so quick to proclaim it the new standard because performance is better when you dont raytrace.
I've been working in 3d modelling and animation professionaly for a long time, and started back in 3ds in the dos days and povray...
Honestly i've never heard this. I've never experienced this either. From a performance point of view, raytracing as always been heavier with larger poly counts.
But it is interesting, perhaps i'm wrong and i've never noticed and its worth checking into. After all i'm more of a modeller and animator than a render coder ;) but i've been around a while in the field.
The click sound is worthless because the picture has already been taken.
Actually your tree example has nothing at all to do with raytracing. Textured Quads are used for leaves because of polygon count. The polygon count required to create every individual leave is extremely huge and it takes not only more render power but a hell of a lot more setup/translation processing.
The higher polygon count required would put just as much demand on a raytracer as it would on a reyes or scanline renderer. In fact it may put more stress because raytracing scenes tends to require larger amounts of data being available in memory for each raytrace as it passes through transparent surfaces and bounces off reflective surfaces...
I thought about this as well... and it may be a valid reason
He's in bed with the 2 party ruling class. What did you expect?
You are all assuming that they can actually make a blackhole within the predicted scale... What if they create a black hole bigger than expected?
I agree... the bad things began after Seagate took over Maxtor.
Maxtor's were good for a period, but towads the end of the Maxtor years, their drives had a very bad reputation for failure.
My first 1gig drive was a Seagate from many years ago and it served me a long long time and it only broke because i pulled a pin off the power plug and did not bother to try and fix it.
Seagate makes good products, and this is not good to see. Personally i think some of Seagates products now are really "Maxtor" products :)... and those are the ones that tend to crap out. I'm not a fan of their external drives etc. No fans, they heat up like mad and die fairly easily.
Our country (USA) is run on fear. Our media sells us fear because we love it. Our politicians use that fear for personal gain and power.
So... dont expect a politician to suddenly acknowledge this report.
EVERYONE on the internet knows that kid touchers are not the norm... but it seems that the media just loves to paint the world as dangerous, rather than acknowledge that the world is full of GOOD people, more so than bad. Of course ironically, if they focused on the bad, they would probably be pointing the cameras at their bosses, CEOs, and political guests...
And we cant have that can we?
The problem is ... FUCKING PAYING US.
Sorry, I'm not a 14 year old chinese boy making nikey sneakers for 3 dollars a week.
We cant compete with slave labor.
Watch it, because you know they're going to blame GTA IV for your aggression.
On a side note, if you could some how make that all sequencially happen and then end with a big spinning pin wheel of body parts and shit in front of his parents... I wouldnt say i condoned it, but... i certainly would understand :)
No, I think we are here to talk about this peice of shit of a human. He profits of creating computer cancer. Thats wonderful isnt it folks, oh lets all learn how to do the same or worse...
We will be so proud of ourselves then.
The problem is the market that existed in the first place, and the lengths at which they will go to destroy your computer for their gain. Fuck them all the way, fuck their families and if he has children, i hope his kids hate him for being the peice of shit human that he is.
Yes, violent games can make you aggressive... while playing them. Violent videogames does not mean you will turn into a murderous psychopath that loves to steel cars and rape... No, that would be the economy.
Wait, a sec. Its not a "my number is bigger than your number" thing. This is evolutionary.
I know what software/hardware we use in my field. With all due respect, you do not have to try to tell me :) I'm sure you use plenty of hardware and software that i'm not familiar with in ID, and i certainly am interested in hearing about it from your angle but heres mine...
You mentioned video editing has been done on 32bit platforms... That is true, been there, done that... but home video is now HD and film has been 2000x2000 pixels 8 bit, but now it can be as high as 4000Kx4000K at full dynamic 32bit float (32bit per channel) (depending on studio pipelines). They not just 24bit color with 8bit alphas, they're full High dynamic range wide gamut formats at 2k or 4k uncompressed. This isnt 8bit MiniDV. It requires serious hardware. Even Final cut guys in their bedroom are editing 10bit (per channel) video at 1080P with 8GB of ram and black magic hardware on 64bit macs.
We dont live in an 8bit color world anymore. 8-bit color cant capture enough dynamic range to allow the same workflows that we use today. Which is often combining exposures, adjusting exposures in post, and color correction. 8 bit doesnt have the range.
Photoshop... is another story. Its not the same old days as it used to be. We dont edit in 8bit per channel color anymore. We edit in 16-bit per channel color with a very wide gamut color space at 240 to 300dpi. We also use LOTS of layers. A 10 (consumer grade) to 35 Mega Pixel (medium format) camera files, at 16bit per channel color, with lots of layers eats ram for lunch dinner and a late night snack. Even a 10MP photo will. Your numbers of 32,000x 32,000 may not be resolution of the image itself, but when you take a picture that is lets say 4000x5000 (I'm averaging here) and its at 16 bit per channel, at 300 dpi, with anywhere from 10 to 30 layers on it... yeah it adds up quick and it very easily reaches your 32,000x32,000 number of pixels! I have pictures with a lot of layers, and they go up to 2GIG. I've hit the PSD file size limit, and was forced to use Adobe's PSB format which can be larger than 2gig :)
OK so you say "GOD man, collapse your layers"... I often do, but its nice to not lose the ability to "go back and edit" from a certain point. You never know when you will be asked to make a change. So layers have certainly put a demand on performance and ram.
A lot of photographers are shooting HDR images these days, since most cameras are taking 12bit to 14bit per channel raw data that can be used to combine exposures into a single 32bit per channel hdr image.
Its not the old 8 bit days. I dread 8 bit. I only go there if i have to print or export for web. I would NEVER edit in 8bit these days because the extra bits per channel give all of us a lot more headroom when doing things like color correction and exposure adjustments. 8 bit (per channel) is too limiting.
Those of us working film (movies), have to serve up 2K x 2K frames or worse (4K x 4K) in OpenEXR format, tif, etc at 32its per channel and be able to manipulate them all kinds of ways, and see them play back in real time at 24P. It usually involves proxy files etc cause bandwidth and data are a bitch still. So it helps it store it all in RAM. 64bit is very important now in the content creation field, especially film and photography.
Now yes this does tend to fall into the "high end of things" but at the same time it does not because a lot of us do this on high end PC hardware. Quadcores with Quadros, lots of ram and a network that serves up files fast. But for the general public, ram usage is not going down, it is only increasing. All one need to do is go back to dos... 640K was fine then... (or was it ?) It wasnt. Dell was selling Pentium II's with 128 MB of ram at one point, to the same grandmothers that use the dells that are sold with 2 GB of ram today. They use them for the same purpose. Dell's low end PC's aimed at mom and pop still come with 2 GB of ram.
Yes but, 64bit Windows has a 32bit emulation layer so you can run 32bit software. It works quite well with no performance penalty. Yes you cant install Vista or Windows 7 on a Pentium Pro 200, but who the hell would want to? Its not for those old 32bit cpus.
You are so wrong about 64-bit. I cant believe you are a computer user/enthusiast.
Lets just limit CPU speed too then. Why do we need progress when only a few do? Oh that wont raise prices to ridiculous levels and birth an elite highend market...
Come on. You're idea of 64-bit is so way off.
First off, I do photography as a hobby, and 3D modelling and animation for a living. I definitely need 64-bit. The amount of polygons and texture data that i push is ridiculous. So its not just for servers, and engineering.
Ok well 3D modelling and animation is specialized... sort of. Its a huge job market (oversaturated to shit but theres lots of folks out there doing it around the world).
The same goes for Music. There are lots of folks editing their own music in their basements. How about video?
How about photography? Its quite easy to make a photoshop file that eats up 2GB of ram. What do you do then in 32bit windows? Try the /3G switch?
Come on. Photoshop 64bit is now available for a reason.
Ram is there to be used, and when its limited... you're limited. 64-bit is not a "server" os. It is an essential part of computing progress.
32-bit is dead, and it will never last. So we switch now, or later. Frankly I'm for now because i'm about progress and I know how many folks need that extra ram above 4gig.
I can max out 8GB with data i create.
And its not just about folks who create massive amounts of data and need it in ram. Its also about running multiple applications at the same time that demand lots of ram.
Try running Photoshop and Softimage XSI in a 32bit OS at the same time, both with 2GB of data per process. Its horrible & impossible.
Its not about servers... its about performance and useability.
I agree that not everyone has high ram requirements, but they should not be the anchor that drags down progression. We dont measure computing needs by the few. Its quite the opposite, we tend to push performance and those that need less, can easily obtain it affordably because they are assured that their minimal requirements are always met thanks to the progress of those who push performance.
Wrong. Anyone doing 3d modelling & animation, photography, music, video editing, special fx, programming, running multiple applications at once, enjoys better performance (no disk swapping), etc... should be running a 64bit os. 32-bit is dead. Stop holding all of us back by insisting that it is is not. Dont you see the damage you do by keeping us in a 32bit OS? Do you know how hard it was to get 64-bit drivers for XP? Vista helped a lot since MS forced everyone, but it is still extremely important that we do not limit progress, just because grandma cant do shit with her computer.
Google Chrome isnt exactly giving me a geek boner yet.
What the fuck google. Finish GTALK, you know the one you run on your computer? The fucking Gtalk in Gmail through web browser gets all of the attention while the shitty desktop version that has the nice simple clean ui, gets NO DEVELOPEMENT.
Ok... so google did put out a Gtalk desktop version that is called something like "secret super duper google version only for you desperate users version"...
But it blows!
Gtalk should own the IM world. AIM sucks (ad ridden fagware), trillian is bloated moose shit, miranda is a stripped down mess of plugins that does nothing right, and pidgin... pidgin is the fucking saddest peice of shit i've ever used next to itunes.
The world is in need of a good im client and google might have had it, if they kept going but google doesnt really care about finishing software do they?
No. I predicted this response to my post... There is no answer to everything or every situation... and your point is valid.
But in this situation or similar ones, its best to weigh your own personal involvement, how right you are, and the effect it will have on the larger whole. If a cop unlawfully beats an innocent photographer who was in the right, then it most certainly is worth fighting legally.
But if we're talking about taking photos in front of a train... no trial is going to change that situation really. The next time someone does it, some other cop would probably do the same thing and tell the person to leave or arrest them etc.
Its worth fighting for if you think the outcome will have enough weight to actually make it through the bureaucracy. However chances are, If a photog went to court and won and then next year attempted the very same photo, a different cop would more than likely arrest them again. But the photog explained, "I went to court last year and won! They said i could do this" and the new cop says "yeah sure pal... if you're going to refuse and protest this, i'm going to arrest your fucking ass for disobedience." ... And so the photog was arrested again...
There are lots of things worth fighting for, but everyday we fight for things other than civil rights, such as making a living, paying the bills etc. Sometimes standing up, isnt worth the additional stress, and work.
Sometimes it is...
So to answer your question... It depends on the situation and its a personal matter. A real change would come from a much larger movement and not from some formal complaint to the PD.
AND... who is to say that you arent making a change by being polite, and leaving when asked after explaining the situation? Sometimes by complying a cop will turn around and say thank you and let you do what you need before sending you on your way. Its happened to me before. I've had a cop be rather stern and direct once and he said "You cant be here" and after I spoke to him and he saw what was going on, he said "you've got 35 minutes, then leave. I'll be back to check on you". And then when they came back, they said "I dont care, I had my supervisor in the car. As long as you're not causing trouble or damaging property, its fine. Just dont stay here too late because if you get into trouble security wont be around.
Photographers have it really bad in this country... more than ever.
It is very important to have something like this with you, or to at least read it and have a copy. There are other resources online about Photographer rights and how they pertain.
Cops dont like to be challenged. They especially do not like to be outsmarted. So before you spring one of these papers on a cop and say "gotcha!", you should be polite and as nonthreatening as you can possibly be.
Make the officer feel comfortable with you, even if the officer is being a complete dick. You can often diffuse their attitude with politeness because people respond to respect and politeness.
I've taking pictures on public places, doing outdoor photo shoots etc and I've had cops check us out to see what is going on. They usually just observe to make sure you're not causing trouble or destroying property. All they really want to know is if you're trouble or not.
If they ask you what you're doing, say its for school, and you're learning photography. If you have GEAR... real gear, they're probably going to figure out you're telling the truth. Who the hell is lugging around soft boxes and strobes to public places, intending to anything illegal or harmful? Permits are smart if you can get them. But lets be real... sometimes we dont shoot with permits in "low risk of being arrested" situations :)
I can understand how police may not want you taking pictures of trains or the station but there really isnt anything wrong with it. Especially since AMTRAK was holding a contest. People have historically taking photos of trains and family members boarding or arriving at stations. Its so common that I cant imagine not being able to shoot a photo in front of a train or of a train.
I would never delete a picture a cop told me to. Thats ridiculous. I grew up skateboarding, and we would record ourselves street skating all over and I had to deal with many cops, and in general they've been nice. Most just want you to leave, and then there are some who are just assholes. In general, most of the cops were good natured folks... stern and authoritative but... good folks.
Its the dumb assholes that ruin it. Unfortunately most people dont really care about their personal freedoms anymore, and police sometimes dont act with "civil rights" in mind. Theres a video somewhere online where a cop slams a female photographer on the street, she hits her face and is seriously hurt. She wasnt even doing anything wrong other than being witness to a civil protest. Things like that make me sad and make me wonder just what America is anymore.
Anyways... be nice, know your rights and CONVERSE with the officer if possible. Make them feel comfortable with you. Ultimately if they want you to leave... its best to leave because it will just cost you a lot of money to fight it in court... even if you're right. The time wasted, the headaches, the nonsense... its not worth it sometimes.
I've been saying America is dead for a long time. It just goes to show you that your rights dont mean shit and everyday you need to make sure you stand up for them.
George Carlin said it best... just google Carlin "You have no rights" on youtube.
The world is not easy for fair....
That goes both ways. I dont give a shit how many legos, the lego company gives me, but if i invent a machine that cures cancer, out of legos... and I paid for them... You can bet your ass, Lego aint getting a piece of the deal.
The problem is, students need to be made aware that not only is there a stupid policy regarding IP at their schools, but also that they must be aware of self preservation in the face of giant corporates that would take their ideas selfishly like this.
Perhaps its the inventors time to simply say "if I dont retain ownership and control, then i'll just never invent the dam thing and to fucking hell with all of you and the rest of the world." Then simply go watch tv, or play team fortress 2.