Bankrupting competitors?:P Thats the intent of any competing business isnt it?;P
Apple is plenty evil. You know it:P
BTW, I wasnt saying WMP was "way to good". I was saying what if, WMP was "way to good". Right now it sucks. I'm just saying one day if MS could build the be all end all media player, wouldnt someone cry foul? Thats really my point. I'm almost certain MS is afraid to make a really good media player.
As for VLC... I run it all the time:) Great program.
I understand that Microsoft has used unfair leverage, but WHO HASNT? They all do it. This is corporate America folks... this is HOW we operate.
And I go back to my original point:
Why is it ok for Apple to use their unfair leverage?
Apple's OS comes with Safari, Itunes, Quicktime, Ichat, and many more. Hell when i install Itunes on windows, it basically forces you to install Safari through its automatic updates. By default "install safari" is on, and when Itunes goes to check for updates, it will install Safari. OH, but if you go to itunes's updates preferences you can turn off which "updates" you dont want.
Why by default does Apple, force you to DL Safari on windows, through itunes update?
The entire fucking Apple STORE is unfair leverage...
Everything Apple does is in the interest of APPLE. Microsoft has been trying to do the same thing, but with its balls cut off by some silly ruling.
Now i agree... MS was doing some unfair things with its API's etc, but come on...
Its time to let Microsoft do what they need to do. YES they shouldnt have some sneaky underhanded anti competitive API etc... but they shouldnt be forced to not include a web browser integrated into the OS how they see fit.
I want a better media player, without some EU or US judge saying "Well this media player is way too good... and the competition is complaining so... we find this unfair"
It cant work like this. Its been too unfair on MS... for too damn long.
Sony will never admit it. Kaz Hirai actually said this probably a month ago. I'm surprised it just made Slashdot now.
Kaz is a nut. He's said a few other insane things in the past.
The Playstation 3 is a failure at being "The worlds most powerful gaming console". Microsoft's Xbox 360 has more available ram, a better gpu, and all of the multi platform games run better and at higher resolutions on the 360, and the PS3 versions run lower resolution, scaled back effects etc.
Street Fighter IV is the latest game that shows just how lame the Ps3 is. Its running at 720p with 2xAA on the 360, and on the Ps3 its running at a resolution slightly lower than 720p, without anti aliasing and its missing some small details here and there.
The same thing with Resident Evil, Assassin's Creed, Devil May Cry, Grand Theft Auto 4...
The list goes on. The PS3 has consistantly had the worst version of multi platform games due to Sony's ingenious excuse of "making the console hard to develope for on purpose"
YEah right. Sony fucked up, and we know that by the very fact that in development, Sony intended the Cell processor to do all of the GPU functions, and then when it couldnt, they called up Nvidia for a bandaid, and hacked a nv 7900 into Sony's ass backwards architecture.
BTW when will console makers realize that we need MORE RAM, not bare minimum ram?
I actually still love my PS3. Its a great Blu-Ray player, excellent Media player, and Metal Gear Solid 4, Little Big Planet, Uncharted, MLB The Show 08, Hot Shots Golf, and Heavenly Sword... are some incredible games.
The PS3 is a valid platform, but for all the hype and bullshit and money that Sony through at the PS3... Technically its inferior to the 360 in every way.
Now the government has an excuse to completely ban Peer 2 Peer. I'm sure its complete bullshit, but it wouldnt be the first time the government lied to us about "terrorism" in order to gain financially and politically.
Exactly. There are two sets of rules, those for Microsoft, and those for Apple.
Apple can force Quicktime on you in their OS, Safari, Itunes, and many other bundled applications... but Microsoft cant. This is just getting tired and old.
Lay off microsoft. The OS's features are stripped to shit as it is because of these stupid laws.
MS may like having IE intergrated into the OS, where as Firefox doesnt like that approach. Why cant MS intergrate the browser the way they want and leave Firefox to develope how they want?
What browsers CANT you run on windows? Opera, Safari, Firefox... they all run on windows. Where is the problem?
Perhaps the EU should also force MS to include other operating systems such as OSX and Linux on their install disks for Windows 7. That would be FAIR. (rolls eyes)
And why exactly do we need to send someone to a "remote area" to report on conditions when there are already people in those remote locations who are quite capable of telling the story?
The short answer: Perspective.
Having a different point of view, from our own culture is valuable because it allows us to contrast society's pro's and cons etc. Its how we learn.
If we have someone who is living in a region, grew up there etc. Their insides are valuable but they're also only of their perspective. Its always better to a different perspective on things, or as many as possible.
Microsoft is terrible. I hate Apple, but Microsoft is fucking ridiculous.
A windows marketplace? Are they going to call the programs... Zapps!
"Hey man, check out my ZunePhone with my Zapps on it!"
For once... could MS give us quality? JUST ONCE.. QUALITY.
I'm actually writing this from within Windows 7 beta, and I was just making the discussion to go back to XP 64 because video playback performance in Windows 7 is garbage.
While I agree that Steam is pretty good as a community of gamers... It is still DRM.
What if all the game companies decided to make their own "steam" like DRM networks? Would we have to run 50 of them on our pcs? 50 gaming IM programs etc...
Steam's doing well because Steam has become a standard delivery for other companies games as well but how long will that last when EA gets their greed on:P
ALSO:
Something i've been thinking about a lot lately is classic gaming. What happens when Steam no longer exists? Will gamers looking for a nostalgic game of Team Fortress 2 in the year 2025, find that they cant play Team Fortress 2 online because Steam doesnt exist?
The same goes with DLC on xbox or Playstation Network. For example Street Fighter IV just came out, and there will be plenty of DLC which includes new art, and game updates. In the year 2025, how can you go back and play Street Fighter IV on your 360 if the updates and DLC isnt available anymore because it was stored on a gaming network service that no longer exists?
A lot of older games do have patches, but are they still easy to find today? A downloadable patch is certainly different from an update that gets pushed through Xbox Live. For one, we the gamer have no ability to DL the update and store on a dvd, for install at a later date. At least with old video game patches, we could have possibly stored a back up somewhere.
I'm starting to see gaming become a "now" thing, rather than a "forever thing" like games used to be.
Thanks emulation, roms, old pc games, old hardware etc... we can still play yesterdays games, but will we be able to play todays games tomorrow?
Think all of this "pushed updates and DLC" from DRM networks like steam and xbox live will kill the classic gaming phenomena. Its a shame because I can still play Street Fighter 2, just as it was in 1994 but I dont think I will be able to with Street Fighter IV. (Although there is a PC version coming so SF4 is a bad example. Phew)
The fact that you think Apple is less Big Brother than Microsoft, is disturbing.
Apple is the grand daddy of "do what we say, and how we say to do it" mentality.
Especially in recent years.
As for microsoft. They're irrelevant and trying to find their way back into peoples life. Windows Live ID, Password, MSN accounts, Hotmail... YUCK. Microsoft will never succeed by trying to blanket everyone into their silly schemes until they can give what the people want... complete privacy and trust that Microsoft isnt watching them. Until that happens, most people wont be eager to join ANY microsoft online service.
What really is scary is that Microsoft's tools (services) are all aimed at the fucktard average user who is not serious at all about computing. In other words, NONE of microsofts solutions including windows media player, graphic viewer, graphic organizer, and any of their online services, are of use to professionals. Microsoft caters to retards and provides half assed solutions for serious computer problems.
This is where Apple succeeds. However Apple is very much Big Brother, as Microsoft, so i cant say i like the hypocrisy of the "Think Different" company. It really should be "Think What we Want you to Think"
Its too bad about linux too. Its too complex for the average person, and has nothing the average person really wants (certainly not enough to put up with the hassle of relearning a new os).
Neither big companies have the peoples interest in mind at all. That is the problem in computers these days. It really used to be a bunch of dirty nerds who dreamed of a better tomorrow through the use of technology.... That mentality is still out there but, its not coming from the top.
If we're going to tax everything, lets do it with the intent of providing serious services to our citizens, such as universal health care like France.
If we're not going to provide our citizens here in NY with such services... then dont tax us.
Its that simple. What do we get for this tax? The state needs money? FOR WHAT? To continue providing the same shitty school system? The same filthy transit system?
Do yourself a favor and watch Sicko on showtime this month.
I pay $970 a month for blue cross health care. The LAST thing i need in this economy is to be taxed for soda, plastic bags, online shopping, and downloads on top of everything else.
If you're going to tax the shit out of me.... then lets get the services we all need such as quality universal health care.
The graphics viewer in Vista and Windows 7, is the most worthless peice of shit ever. It doesnt conform to ANY logical workflow for browsing, zooming, managing files quickly. Its just like its own ass backwards way of doing things.
Microsoft could learn a lot from studying some of the other viewers out there.
The graphics viewer doesnt even read a lot of formats used in production environments, nor does it respect embedded ICC color profiles. ITS WORTHLESS.
Its a toy, just like the media player, the thumbnail viewing capability of explorer... etc.
Why cant MS make some SERIOUS applications that actually get work done.
Stop making apps for 4 year olds.
I'm sure the online Live graphics thing is just as lame. Its another late to the game web service that others already provide and have an established user base and better integration on PCs, mobile devices, etc..
"well Mr IBM, we've reviewed your business offer, and we see that you make everything in China and India, so we will only pay Chinese and Indian prices for your services"
Right because Brazil is the land of "GOOD behavior"
Come on. They didn't hand money under the table to benefit people, they did it to avoid their responsibilities.
The game is the same everywhere. Businesses dont exist to employ people, they exist to profit. All of these businesses could careless if you die of cancer while drinking dirty water, homeless on the streets.
Yes we've all thought of this. Its either we let this all balance out until the point that the average US salary is.69 cents an hour on par with China, or we demand that other countries and our own US citizens pay OUR prices for products.
Since we dont manufacture anything anymore in America, obviously what we're seeing is a balancing out happening. We have to fall really fucking hard to get to.69 cents an hour.
And the side effect is everyones going to raise prices to try and compensate for their own falling profit margins... which will hurt us even more because rather than accepting the "leveling out"... we're going to fight it to maintain as we go broke.
The right move was to NEVER agree to NAFTA... and i hope one day we will throw it out the window and force all of these companies to either build here in the US, employ in the US, manufacture in the US... or MOVE OUT of our country, and put embargos on their goods.
We should not allow everything to be made outside of the US. Its not in our interest... clearly. Our well being was never a factor in NAFTA. It was all about profit at the expense of life.
And if you say other wise, then why do they employ slave labor? or labor at slave wages?
IBM is just offering this in hopes that someone will take it, but their real motive is to simply higher foreigners. That is exactly what IBM should do. Let them hire all foreigners. Hell. IBM should move EVERYTHING to India and China. FIRE their ENTIRE staff in America. That is after all, what IBM really wants to do isnt it? They want skilled labor at cheap costs.
Well let them have it. LET ALL of these companies have it. It makes perfect sense. Especially to all of those "trickle down" guys... because the less you "trickle".. to more PROFIT you have!
Oh but one thing... those of us in America must agree to enforce strick laws that prevent the Board Members and stock owners from living in America. They cant have our land and our wealth if they cant employ us.
Now all we need to do is get the UK, Fance, Germany, Spain, Finland, and a few others to agree in making sure these board members and stock owners are not welcome there either.
If the workers of IBM cant live in in America, than neither should the board members or stock owners. Why should they benefit while our labor does not?
Great.. so you move overseas. America should be the land of the rich and powerful, not the free. I agree
Mr Middle Class American, if you want to work, you must become chinese.
Translation "we love what you can do for us, we just dont want to pay you"
Well... how about this... "GO FUCK YOURSELF IBM"
Imagine a board member being given this offer "You know Jim, you make 400 million a year and well while we love what you do for this company, we would like you to live in India and we're going to pay you $300 dollars a month... sorry Jim, thats our last offer".
FUCK YOU!!!!!!
Give me a break. Grow some fucking balls and stand up against this shit railing mentality that is bleeding our country dry. WE CAN compete as a nation, and LIVE well while doing it. You know how I know? We did it for the last 50 years.
What has changed? Lets start with the idea that we dont MAKE or SELL ANYTHING anymore. It should be pretty obvious that if we dont manufacture items then we cant compete.
Oh but we manufacture items... in CHINA for fucking $.32 - $.69 cents an hour. I'm sorry.. there is no fucking political gimmick that is EVER allow us to compete with that.
And we shouldnt have to compete with $.32 an hour. You know why? Because it was OUR COMPANIES that put us into that competitive situation, with the help of our "bend over and fuck me up the ass government" being lied to about the great free market, free trade...
It has been a 1 way trade situation for 15 years now and look how fast it has put is in an economic mess.
Sorry but we let our greed get the best of us, and its time to take the power back from those who bleed us dry for their own profit at the expense of your FAMILY, your KIDS... your HOUSE... your way of life. and all you were was a middle class member wanting to work and have a family. OH HOW DARE YOU want so much in life.
Give me a fucking break.
END THIS FUCKING PUSSY SHIT AND TAKE THE POWER BACK. Stand up against this nonsense.
HOW? I have no idea. The government sold out a long time ago.. but at least grow the fucking balls to starting thinking differently.
Wrong dip shit. The article is PROOF that the free market doesnt work because these workers HAVE skills that IBM wants. The proof is in that IBM is overing to move them to cheaper places to work for less. THAT is called getting fucked over.
Sorry. You're unregulated free market bullshit doesn't work, and it never will as long as people are treated like slaves.
I dont care how fast a Linux Distro is, its still linux... it lacks plenty of software people use on a daily basis and it has virtually no game support. So no one cares. No one is going to jump ship to it.
Its the Apps... It's always been about the apps....
but all we hear from linux folks is "its faster", "Its not bloated", "it has email and IM and firefox".
Apple has a lot of intergrated document format viewers, graphic file formats etc. Hell windows couldnt view tif by default until vista!
MS cripples their software because they're A) terrible at designing software or B) scared to be labeled anti competitive.
Frankly i think its B... because as you said "microsoft broke the law" And ever since... they're scared shitless to improve their software in professional ways.
ALL graphic viewers and media organization tools that come with windows, are shit and poorly designed. And i think B is the reason for it.
What has Apple Monopolized? Their OS.
They dont allow us to install it on non APPLE computers. Imagine if MS decided to force a requirement that everyone must by a MS PC if they want windows. And dont give me the typical linux zealot answer of "good";P
Why does Microsoft have to take it in the ass? Their software has been gimped enough thanks to the antitrust nonsense.
Because of all of the stupid so called "Monopoly" bullshit, we can thank the governments of the world for holding back graphic viewing capabilities in windows, better graphic management solutions, media player functionality, explorer features.... etc
How about APPLE be taken to task for their OS. I cant even legally install it on a PC that I bought, unless i buy it from apple.
Apple has a lot of "be all end all" solutions in its os... so why doesnt Apple take it in the ass?
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Bankrupting competitors? :P Thats the intent of any competing business isnt it? ;P
Apple is plenty evil. You know it :P
BTW, I wasnt saying WMP was "way to good". I was saying what if, WMP was "way to good". Right now it sucks. I'm just saying one day if MS could build the be all end all media player, wouldnt someone cry foul? Thats really my point. I'm almost certain MS is afraid to make a really good media player.
As for VLC... I run it all the time :) Great program.
i use Itunes for music though.
I understand that Microsoft has used unfair leverage, but WHO HASNT? They all do it. This is corporate America folks... this is HOW we operate.
And I go back to my original point:
Why is it ok for Apple to use their unfair leverage?
Apple's OS comes with Safari, Itunes, Quicktime, Ichat, and many more. Hell when i install Itunes on windows, it basically forces you to install Safari through its automatic updates. By default "install safari" is on, and when Itunes goes to check for updates, it will install Safari. OH, but if you go to itunes's updates preferences you can turn off which "updates" you dont want.
Why by default does Apple, force you to DL Safari on windows, through itunes update?
The entire fucking Apple STORE is unfair leverage...
Everything Apple does is in the interest of APPLE. Microsoft has been trying to do the same thing, but with its balls cut off by some silly ruling.
Now i agree... MS was doing some unfair things with its API's etc, but come on...
Its time to let Microsoft do what they need to do. YES they shouldnt have some sneaky underhanded anti competitive API etc... but they shouldnt be forced to not include a web browser integrated into the OS how they see fit.
I want a better media player, without some EU or US judge saying "Well this media player is way too good... and the competition is complaining so... we find this unfair"
It cant work like this. Its been too unfair on MS... for too damn long.
This is Sony's way of saying "yeah we fucked up"
Sony will never admit it. Kaz Hirai actually said this probably a month ago. I'm surprised it just made Slashdot now.
Kaz is a nut. He's said a few other insane things in the past.
The Playstation 3 is a failure at being "The worlds most powerful gaming console". Microsoft's Xbox 360 has more available ram, a better gpu, and all of the multi platform games run better and at higher resolutions on the 360, and the PS3 versions run lower resolution, scaled back effects etc.
Street Fighter IV is the latest game that shows just how lame the Ps3 is. Its running at 720p with 2xAA on the 360, and on the Ps3 its running at a resolution slightly lower than 720p, without anti aliasing and its missing some small details here and there.
The same thing with Resident Evil, Assassin's Creed, Devil May Cry, Grand Theft Auto 4...
The list goes on. The PS3 has consistantly had the worst version of multi platform games due to Sony's ingenious excuse of "making the console hard to develope for on purpose"
YEah right. Sony fucked up, and we know that by the very fact that in development, Sony intended the Cell processor to do all of the GPU functions, and then when it couldnt, they called up Nvidia for a bandaid, and hacked a nv 7900 into Sony's ass backwards architecture.
BTW when will console makers realize that we need MORE RAM, not bare minimum ram?
I actually still love my PS3. Its a great Blu-Ray player, excellent Media player, and Metal Gear Solid 4, Little Big Planet, Uncharted, MLB The Show 08, Hot Shots Golf, and Heavenly Sword... are some incredible games.
The PS3 is a valid platform, but for all the hype and bullshit and money that Sony through at the PS3... Technically its inferior to the 360 in every way.
Now the government has an excuse to completely ban Peer 2 Peer. I'm sure its complete bullshit, but it wouldnt be the first time the government lied to us about "terrorism" in order to gain financially and politically.
Exactly. There are two sets of rules, those for Microsoft, and those for Apple.
Apple can force Quicktime on you in their OS, Safari, Itunes, and many other bundled applications... but Microsoft cant. This is just getting tired and old.
Lay off microsoft. The OS's features are stripped to shit as it is because of these stupid laws.
MS may like having IE intergrated into the OS, where as Firefox doesnt like that approach. Why cant MS intergrate the browser the way they want and leave Firefox to develope how they want?
What browsers CANT you run on windows? Opera, Safari, Firefox... they all run on windows. Where is the problem?
Perhaps the EU should also force MS to include other operating systems such as OSX and Linux on their install disks for Windows 7. That would be FAIR. (rolls eyes)
And why exactly do we need to send someone to a "remote area" to report on conditions when there are already people in those remote locations who are quite capable of telling the story?
The short answer: Perspective.
Having a different point of view, from our own culture is valuable because it allows us to contrast society's pro's and cons etc. Its how we learn.
If we have someone who is living in a region, grew up there etc. Their insides are valuable but they're also only of their perspective. Its always better to a different perspective on things, or as many as possible.
What exactly will Wisconsin do with this tax revenue? Will they now start providing their ALL of their citizens with Free Health Care?
I suspect not. What exactly CANT wisconsin do that they're already doing with their current taxes?
If we're going to tax our citizens more, then lets provide them with more services!
When i'm buying something, i want to know what i'm getting, and it better be worth it.
Wiki France.
Microsoft is terrible. I hate Apple, but Microsoft is fucking ridiculous.
A windows marketplace? Are they going to call the programs... Zapps!
"Hey man, check out my ZunePhone with my Zapps on it!"
For once... could MS give us quality? JUST ONCE.. QUALITY.
I'm actually writing this from within Windows 7 beta, and I was just making the discussion to go back to XP 64 because video playback performance in Windows 7 is garbage.
While I agree that Steam is pretty good as a community of gamers... It is still DRM.
What if all the game companies decided to make their own "steam" like DRM networks? Would we have to run 50 of them on our pcs? 50 gaming IM programs etc...
Steam's doing well because Steam has become a standard delivery for other companies games as well but how long will that last when EA gets their greed on :P
ALSO:
Something i've been thinking about a lot lately is classic gaming. What happens when Steam no longer exists? Will gamers looking for a nostalgic game of Team Fortress 2 in the year 2025, find that they cant play Team Fortress 2 online because Steam doesnt exist?
The same goes with DLC on xbox or Playstation Network. For example Street Fighter IV just came out, and there will be plenty of DLC which includes new art, and game updates. In the year 2025, how can you go back and play Street Fighter IV on your 360 if the updates and DLC isnt available anymore because it was stored on a gaming network service that no longer exists?
A lot of older games do have patches, but are they still easy to find today? A downloadable patch is certainly different from an update that gets pushed through Xbox Live. For one, we the gamer have no ability to DL the update and store on a dvd, for install at a later date. At least with old video game patches, we could have possibly stored a back up somewhere.
I'm starting to see gaming become a "now" thing, rather than a "forever thing" like games used to be.
Thanks emulation, roms, old pc games, old hardware etc... we can still play yesterdays games, but will we be able to play todays games tomorrow?
Think all of this "pushed updates and DLC" from DRM networks like steam and xbox live will kill the classic gaming phenomena. Its a shame because I can still play Street Fighter 2, just as it was in 1994 but I dont think I will be able to with Street Fighter IV. (Although there is a PC version coming so SF4 is a bad example. Phew)
ALL of these developers could easily sell more if they lowered their prices.
We've been saying it for years and finally someone has the balls to try it.
The Result: PROFIT.
Will anyone learn from this? No.
The fact that you think Apple is less Big Brother than Microsoft, is disturbing.
Apple is the grand daddy of "do what we say, and how we say to do it" mentality.
Especially in recent years.
As for microsoft. They're irrelevant and trying to find their way back into peoples life. Windows Live ID, Password, MSN accounts, Hotmail... YUCK. Microsoft will never succeed by trying to blanket everyone into their silly schemes until they can give what the people want... complete privacy and trust that Microsoft isnt watching them. Until that happens, most people wont be eager to join ANY microsoft online service.
What really is scary is that Microsoft's tools (services) are all aimed at the fucktard average user who is not serious at all about computing. In other words, NONE of microsofts solutions including windows media player, graphic viewer, graphic organizer, and any of their online services, are of use to professionals. Microsoft caters to retards and provides half assed solutions for serious computer problems.
This is where Apple succeeds. However Apple is very much Big Brother, as Microsoft, so i cant say i like the hypocrisy of the "Think Different" company. It really should be "Think What we Want you to Think"
Its too bad about linux too. Its too complex for the average person, and has nothing the average person really wants (certainly not enough to put up with the hassle of relearning a new os).
Neither big companies have the peoples interest in mind at all. That is the problem in computers these days. It really used to be a bunch of dirty nerds who dreamed of a better tomorrow through the use of technology.... That mentality is still out there but, its not coming from the top.
If we're going to tax everything, lets do it with the intent of providing serious services to our citizens, such as universal health care like France.
If we're not going to provide our citizens here in NY with such services... then dont tax us.
Its that simple. What do we get for this tax? The state needs money? FOR WHAT? To continue providing the same shitty school system? The same filthy transit system?
Do yourself a favor and watch Sicko on showtime this month.
I pay $970 a month for blue cross health care. The LAST thing i need in this economy is to be taxed for soda, plastic bags, online shopping, and downloads on top of everything else.
If you're going to tax the shit out of me.... then lets get the services we all need such as quality universal health care.
Windows fucking Paint anyone?!
Worthless.
Why do they bother? What is the point of including half ass tools that arent productive for everyone?
ATLEAST have the fucking OS create thumbnails for various common file formats like TGA etc...
It took MS how long to add TIF support in the OS?...
FOREVER.
I have lightroom... but thats not a graphics viewer. Its an raw developement tool with organization and printing tools. Its very slow too.
I'm talking about a good native graphics viewer!
You know... like Apple has. sigh.
The graphics viewer in Vista and Windows 7, is the most worthless peice of shit ever. It doesnt conform to ANY logical workflow for browsing, zooming, managing files quickly. Its just like its own ass backwards way of doing things.
Microsoft could learn a lot from studying some of the other viewers out there.
The graphics viewer doesnt even read a lot of formats used in production environments, nor does it respect embedded ICC color profiles. ITS WORTHLESS.
Its a toy, just like the media player, the thumbnail viewing capability of explorer... etc.
Why cant MS make some SERIOUS applications that actually get work done.
Stop making apps for 4 year olds.
I'm sure the online Live graphics thing is just as lame. Its another late to the game web service that others already provide and have an established user base and better integration on PCs, mobile devices, etc..
Exactly.. HARDBALL.
"well Mr IBM, we've reviewed your business offer, and we see that you make everything in China and India, so we will only pay Chinese and Indian prices for your services"
Right because Brazil is the land of "GOOD behavior"
Come on. They didn't hand money under the table to benefit people, they did it to avoid their responsibilities.
The game is the same everywhere. Businesses dont exist to employ people, they exist to profit. All of these businesses could careless if you die of cancer while drinking dirty water, homeless on the streets.
Yes we've all thought of this. Its either we let this all balance out until the point that the average US salary is .69 cents an hour on par with China, or we demand that other countries and our own US citizens pay OUR prices for products.
Since we dont manufacture anything anymore in America, obviously what we're seeing is a balancing out happening. We have to fall really fucking hard to get to .69 cents an hour.
And the side effect is everyones going to raise prices to try and compensate for their own falling profit margins... which will hurt us even more because rather than accepting the "leveling out"... we're going to fight it to maintain as we go broke.
The right move was to NEVER agree to NAFTA... and i hope one day we will throw it out the window and force all of these companies to either build here in the US, employ in the US, manufacture in the US... or MOVE OUT of our country, and put embargos on their goods.
We should not allow everything to be made outside of the US. Its not in our interest... clearly. Our well being was never a factor in NAFTA. It was all about profit at the expense of life.
And if you say other wise, then why do they employ slave labor? or labor at slave wages?
The simple answer is.. IBM is scum.
IBM is just offering this in hopes that someone will take it, but their real motive is to simply higher foreigners. That is exactly what IBM should do. Let them hire all foreigners. Hell. IBM should move EVERYTHING to India and China. FIRE their ENTIRE staff in America. That is after all, what IBM really wants to do isnt it? They want skilled labor at cheap costs.
Well let them have it. LET ALL of these companies have it. It makes perfect sense. Especially to all of those "trickle down" guys... because the less you "trickle".. to more PROFIT you have!
Oh but one thing... those of us in America must agree to enforce strick laws that prevent the Board Members and stock owners from living in America. They cant have our land and our wealth if they cant employ us.
Now all we need to do is get the UK, Fance, Germany, Spain, Finland, and a few others to agree in making sure these board members and stock owners are not welcome there either.
If the workers of IBM cant live in in America, than neither should the board members or stock owners. Why should they benefit while our labor does not?
Great.. so you move overseas. America should be the land of the rich and powerful, not the free. I agree
Mr Middle Class American, if you want to work, you must become chinese.
Translation "we love what you can do for us, we just dont want to pay you"
Well... how about this... "GO FUCK YOURSELF IBM"
Imagine a board member being given this offer "You know Jim, you make 400 million a year and well while we love what you do for this company, we would like you to live in India and we're going to pay you $300 dollars a month... sorry Jim, thats our last offer".
FUCK YOU!!!!!!
Give me a break. Grow some fucking balls and stand up against this shit railing mentality that is bleeding our country dry. WE CAN compete as a nation, and LIVE well while doing it. You know how I know? We did it for the last 50 years.
What has changed? Lets start with the idea that we dont MAKE or SELL ANYTHING anymore. It should be pretty obvious that if we dont manufacture items then we cant compete.
Oh but we manufacture items... in CHINA for fucking $.32 - $.69 cents an hour. I'm sorry.. there is no fucking political gimmick that is EVER allow us to compete with that.
And we shouldnt have to compete with $.32 an hour. You know why? Because it was OUR COMPANIES that put us into that competitive situation, with the help of our "bend over and fuck me up the ass government" being lied to about the great free market, free trade...
It has been a 1 way trade situation for 15 years now and look how fast it has put is in an economic mess.
Sorry but we let our greed get the best of us, and its time to take the power back from those who bleed us dry for their own profit at the expense of your FAMILY, your KIDS... your HOUSE... your way of life. and all you were was a middle class member wanting to work and have a family. OH HOW DARE YOU want so much in life.
Give me a fucking break.
END THIS FUCKING PUSSY SHIT AND TAKE THE POWER BACK. Stand up against this nonsense.
HOW? I have no idea. The government sold out a long time ago.. but at least grow the fucking balls to starting thinking differently.
Wrong dip shit. The article is PROOF that the free market doesnt work because these workers HAVE skills that IBM wants. The proof is in that IBM is overing to move them to cheaper places to work for less. THAT is called getting fucked over.
Sorry. You're unregulated free market bullshit doesn't work, and it never will as long as people are treated like slaves.
I dont care how fast a Linux Distro is, its still linux... it lacks plenty of software people use on a daily basis and it has virtually no game support. So no one cares. No one is going to jump ship to it.
Its the Apps... It's always been about the apps....
but all we hear from linux folks is "its faster", "Its not bloated", "it has email and IM and firefox".
Thats not enough.
Apple has a lot of intergrated document format viewers, graphic file formats etc. Hell windows couldnt view tif by default until vista!
MS cripples their software because they're A) terrible at designing software or B) scared to be labeled anti competitive.
Frankly i think its B... because as you said "microsoft broke the law" And ever since... they're scared shitless to improve their software in professional ways.
ALL graphic viewers and media organization tools that come with windows, are shit and poorly designed. And i think B is the reason for it.
What has Apple Monopolized? Their OS.
They dont allow us to install it on non APPLE computers. Imagine if MS decided to force a requirement that everyone must by a MS PC if they want windows. And dont give me the typical linux zealot answer of "good" ;P
Nuff said
Why does Microsoft have to take it in the ass? Their software has been gimped enough thanks to the antitrust nonsense.
Because of all of the stupid so called "Monopoly" bullshit, we can thank the governments of the world for holding back graphic viewing capabilities in windows, better graphic management solutions, media player functionality, explorer features.... etc
How about APPLE be taken to task for their OS. I cant even legally install it on a PC that I bought, unless i buy it from apple.
Apple has a lot of "be all end all" solutions in its os... so why doesnt Apple take it in the ass?
I guess monopolies are ok when they're "cool".