Of course the rich have benefited in lots of ways from government programs... The government passes laws to protect the rich at all costs.
I think its only fair that some rich bastards estate be taken for %50 when he dies because that rich bastard owns the lockheeds of the world that our government buys from, by law...
That rich bastard owns the microsoft that we protect by law...
That rich bastard owns the film industry that we protect by law...
That rich bastard owns the Walmart that is being built on the land that was taken away from you under the Eminent Domain laws passed by our government to support the wealthy.
That rich bastard has it all... far too good...
he cant give back %50?
Hell he cant even give people a good working wage while hes alive.
Take a gun to his head... do his children a favor.:)
There is far more than AIDS in this world. I hope they spread it around... I suffer from Psoriasis, i never hear anyone giving a dam about it.
All i hear is "aids" "cancer" or "Diabetes"
Aids is like a buzz word for charity. Bono and Gates, their morons. There's more than AIDS in this world and yet its all they talk about. Thanks for nothing rich charitable self important morons.
Time to start Anti DRM webpages that top search engines when you search HD-DVD, Blue Ray, Vista, and Itunes?
What does one do?
Hang around best buys all day and inform people?
Obviously the media, by that i mean CNN, Fox News, SONY, etc will not be getting the word out. Its in their interest that this goes through.
The people dont really have a voice anymore. The government is worthless in the matter.
Do we stick to slashdot.org and rant to like minded people? Who will see it? Who will care?
Frankly we LOST this years ago when corporations took interest in the internet and the computer boom took foot.
We're all 30+ now. The kids today all talk like we used too when we were the minority computer geeks.
Frankly its a world where we do not have a voice. Did the war protests have any effect on stopping the war? Did you see how many people showed up to the protests world wide? MILLIONS.
We dont have those numbers... and even if we did... it wouldnt make a dam difference.
Showing up to protests, writing people, writing articles... ranting on slashdot... DOES NOTHING.
The law trickles down... not up.
There isnt much anyone can do in todays world. We should get used to it.I know we wont, and we'll tell everyone about how much DRM sucks and they'll say "Well that sucks" and then we'll all buy the products despite our beleifs.
Its the way it goes.
The only real alternative is criminal. Support the hackers... and you're a criminal... Frankly thats the only real protest option left. The brilliant minds that liberate software, DVD, music... must go on.
Let the media giants push hard, and the coders have to push back harder.
Protesting, and writing your congressman is worthless. They do not care about you. That is the simple truth. They pass laws written by lobbiests paid for by the media giants. They have access and we the people do not.
Revolutions come from wars... not silly get togethers on the capital lawn.
actually the Myspace TOS also states that you must be AGE 14 or older to use myspace.
So a 14 year old may not enter a legally binding contract, but myspace also makes it clear that you must be 14 to use their service...
Which way is it ?
If my space specifies AGE 14 and up, then surely they are expecting every user, 14 and up to read the terms of service before continueing use.
It doesnt matter if its legally binding or not. Its written in clear words in the terms of service. The terms of service doesnt have to be considered a "legally binding contract" but instead a RULES of sort. She didnt read the rules...
Or maybe she did... and didnt obey them.
"No running at the pool"
Is that a legally binding contract, or a rule?
If you run at the pool and slip and crack your head... is it the fault of the owner?
A good lawyer could make it the fault of the owner, but really you were warned, and disreguarded the rules... and broke your head open. It's your fault.
Same thing in this case. A good lawyer could and of course will try to take MYspace for all its money... but in the end, its the fault of teh 14 year old. She didnt follow the rules, so how can anyone be expected to be responsible for her?
OTHER than her parents of course... which Myspace has every right to sue.
I for one am very glad they have decided to police us more. I'm a perfect citizen and i have nothing to hide. Please install a police man inside the house of every American that way we can end domestic violence and crime all together.
We could stop crime if we all would just surrender to the government. They will take care of all!
We're in trouble. This is a serious problem. Once we go down this road there is no turning back. Well of coruse there is, but not when politics are involved.
Who is the idiot politician that will run on the platform of "I'm going to put back in the hands of our children violent videogames!"
Concentrate on writing a real Photoshop like program, a real video editing program on par with Avid, Final Cut, Premiere, or Vegas.
Keep hacking at OpenOffice
Get a 3D accelerated UI before Vista, and make it the standard gui.
Make it easier to adopt linux period. Easier install methods, less dependency hell.
Image is a good start, i agree with that but not just for women... try the Apple approach. Make it cool for all.
The problem is Mac OS has REAL applications. Shake (linux version thank god) Photoshop, Final Cut etc.
Linux still needs get over that hill i think. Its close, but its not for everyone, and its certainly not for women who arent IT brainiacs. And those women dont need any help with linux.
They could run around me in the dam thing i'm sure... but i wont use linux until it gets a little neater.
Isnt piracy just an evolutionary process that is the early sign of what life could be?
Take away all of the money claimed money loss and then whats wrong about piracy? Take away economics, and the fact that artists need to be paid to live... (i get that beleive me)
I think Piracy is that part of humanity that wishes to evolve towards a free for all world. A kind of "star trek world", where all have access to software reguardless of price, poverty level, intellect, country, or carear.
Piracy is definatly a protest, its also a crime... Name one protest historic protest that isnt a crime.
Piracy is also full of new ideas that are not bound by law. Think Napster and how its changed how we buy music today.
Sure the idiots that sell illegal stuff on cd/dvd should be stopped...
but in the end... piracy is an evolutionary process that is a statement of our civilization... Some think that statement is about prices being to high.... but its also a statement about civilization.
Do you think pirates are undermining companies because they like to risk their existance.... or is there a more idealistic visionary movement behind their motions.
some do it for the ego... some do it for the fun, and some do it for the money unfortunately... but in the end... i think its about giving access to the people.
And i think thats a deeper meaning that no legal threat will ever succeed at beating.
Sure its a protest to prices, but its also a protest about civilization in many respects. Look at linux and the thought behind it. It's free.... for all to enjoy.
We're in a digital age... but we're not really there yet. We're still early on, we're still evolving and maybe the old ways dont apply. Piracy is nothing new to computers... infact the entire industry was built from piracy.
Piracy cant be cured by arresting people anymore than America could be cured by the english arresting revolutionaries... Although todays civilians seem far more willing to obey.
Its a political movement, as we see with the pirates bay...
Its a statement, its a crime, its a protest, its an idiology, its evolution and perhaps fledgling beginnings of the future of civilization. One things for sure is that it will change the way we live.
Unforuntately i see things becoming much more controlling, and our rights being squished out of existance as they try to control/end piracy. Such things will help further the political mindset of pirates though.
So how do we best deal with piracy? From a consumer view... lower prices. From a buisness point of view, lock up the pirates and kill them all.
In many respects i'm glad there are pirates. We would not have a windows OS or a MAC os without them. The industry was built from pirates. The richest people in the industry were pirates...
Again i'm glad we have people that think differently and have skills to undo the software that we are "licensed" and dont even own.
As things get more controlling... where do people turn?
I think the methods we are taking to deal with piracy are going to spawn more revolutionaries...
How many of you can honestly say "I hope the pirates dont find a way to remove the DRM features for Vista?"
Look at Itunes and how piracy has helped create an entirely new buisness. Napster... the worlds most successful and public group of pirates changed a world... because by numbers they were visible and the effects were shocking but also quite brilliant. Software delivery systems that can distrubute music by searching... Thats brilliant!
Now its the STANDARD for online music sales (Not napster but the methods albiet slightly different)
But the point is out of that large amount of visible pirates, came new ideas... buisnesses didnt say "we need to do something cause we're losing money" They said "We need to do this some how and MAKE MONEY"
Today we have Itunes, Napster, Microsoft's shitty music service, etc etc etc.. Yet another industry standard spawned fr
Lets face it. We love slavery. We are horrible creatures that could careless about each other.
We'll given millions of illegal mexican immigrants amnesty because we love slavery!
We'll sell out our working class because they demand a quality life but slaves dont! Slaves can be used without a care in the world.
We love to use humans and not pay them.
We love to take credit for work other humans do.
We love to make money and not care about each other's well being.
We love slavery. We are horrible people that do not care about each other at all. We're doomed.
There is no reason why this has to happen, and yet we exploit people at every oppurtunity... because WE LOVE SLAVERY... WE ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE.
We are not evolved enough to survive as a species. We'll kill each other for a dollar just to feel special in our fancy cars that the next guy cant afford. We dont deserve to the future, and we'll never get there.
I reinstalled XP recently and my Key decided to "run out of activations" so i had to call up MS. I was furious...
I contemplated installing the various coporate versions and hacked Pro versions that i have on back up just out of spite.
But instead i called up MS went through their automated crap which is a nightmare in stupidity. After it finished it told me "I can not activate my key and to hold on to for an operator"
YAY.
So i get to the operator... I give her the code, she gives me a new key... all is solved...
Not so fast...
I go to install updates... and WGA must be installed first...
OK lets do it...
ERROR.. UNKNOWN ERROR.
What?! What the fuck?
I call MS tech support...
The guy is completely useless and puts me through to a smarter tech...
As i'm waiting for brainiac to pick up, i discover that by default windows XP installs IE with "Custom" security settings which does not allow WGA to install.
So lets recap. WGA wont install automatically on a default XP install because IE is set to custom security rather than "Medium"
Oh the stupid headache...
So i figure it out while waiting and then the guy picks up cause i'm a nice guy i waited to tell him what the problem was...
I tell him and i hang up.
WGA is not only a pain in the ass for legal users... the activation itself in windows is down right stupid. I have to call MS everytime i want to reinstall now.
Which is what? every month?
I made an image of the boot drive install instead. No thanks MS.
Its just too much. I dont care about MS's bottom line, i care about the dollars i spent and its a headache. Too much is too much and that too much was WGA itself.
I have the coporate and hacked WGA versions, I know how to reg hack the WGA dll out and kill access to it and bypass the windows update...
BUT I also OWN my windows... I tried to do the right thing and in the end, yeah it works but it was a big fuckign headache that i'm not willing to deal with any more. Things are only going to get worse as DRM and every other attempt made at taking control of your computer is made by these companies.
I like for it to be known that its just as easy to run the hacked versions with less of a headache... I was on the verge of doing it out of spite...
I only wanted to know why my Key wasnt working and why WGA was not allowing me to update cause i was angry... Thats the only reason i am running my legit copy of XP now.
I'd gladly explore other options next time if it means saving my time and my sanity.
Its really not cost feasible now as i understand. The installer said the hardware they give is basically $400+ in value per person and they arent charging for it.
He also mentioned that they've changed hardware once already and verizon is paying quite a bit per person and losing quite a bit on each install.
Thats interesting. I dont at all doubt your situation. I've experienced plenty of hell with a dlink 624 in the past. It was a revision C i beleive.
I cant explain why this one works now, and the old one i had did not. I'm happy it does though.
The problems i had with my first dlink 624 were just unbareable. XP would tell me every 5 seconds that i've lost network connection. The whole router would reboot. It was a nightmare and i quickly hated the dam thing.
Its just odd that this one works. I've had a friend have a similar situation. He was going to buy the dlink 624 and i told him my horror story and gave him many links of people having the reboot problems...
He still went ahead and bought one and had no problems with it. I guess luck has something to do with it.
Have you tried contacting verizon and asking for a replacement?
It's normal fo the phone reps to say they will remove the copper. I'm not sure tahts because they are uninformed, or doing what they're told.
Either way, its been widely discussed at dslreports.com aka broadbandreports.com and i havent heard of anyone ever having a problem with keeping the copper hookup.
The installers arent required to remove it, they are instructed to unless you chose to not remove it.
My installer asked me specifically if i wanted it removed. I said no, and i still have the copper line. I use Voip anyways but its been pretty common for people to be concerned about the issue and it has come up quite a bit and i've not heard of one that ever had a problem keeping the copper.
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Of course the rich have benefited in lots of ways from government programs... The government passes laws to protect the rich at all costs.
:)
I think its only fair that some rich bastards estate be taken for %50 when he dies because that rich bastard owns the lockheeds of the world that our government buys from, by law...
That rich bastard owns the microsoft that we protect by law...
That rich bastard owns the film industry that we protect by law...
That rich bastard owns the Walmart that is being built on the land that was taken away from you under the Eminent Domain laws passed by our government to support the wealthy.
That rich bastard has it all... far too good...
he cant give back %50?
Hell he cant even give people a good working wage while hes alive.
Take a gun to his head... do his children a favor.
Fucker.
There is far more than AIDS in this world. I hope they spread it around... I suffer from Psoriasis, i never hear anyone giving a dam about it.
All i hear is "aids" "cancer" or "Diabetes"
Aids is like a buzz word for charity. Bono and Gates, their morons. There's more than AIDS in this world and yet its all they talk about. Thanks for nothing rich charitable self important morons.
He would stop DRM-fucking his software.
He's a fucking hypocite. Why not give windows out for free to users?
He enjoys ripping off the declining middle class.
Dick!
how pitaful that the OSS community is desperatly trying to play flash files.
Thats not how to win this battle.
Well i dont expect Sony to be selling Xvid and OGG videos/music on store shelves... They WILL NEVER use an open format ever. It will never happen.
"the goal is to liberate everyone in cyberspace."
He's right. Now what?
Time to start Anti DRM webpages that top search engines when you search HD-DVD, Blue Ray, Vista, and Itunes?
What does one do?
Hang around best buys all day and inform people?
Obviously the media, by that i mean CNN, Fox News, SONY, etc will not be getting the word out. Its in their interest that this goes through.
The people dont really have a voice anymore. The government is worthless in the matter.
Do we stick to slashdot.org and rant to like minded people? Who will see it? Who will care?
Frankly we LOST this years ago when corporations took interest in the internet and the computer boom took foot.
We're all 30+ now. The kids today all talk like we used too when we were the minority computer geeks.
Frankly its a world where we do not have a voice. Did the war protests have any effect on stopping the war? Did you see how many people showed up to the protests world wide? MILLIONS.
We dont have those numbers... and even if we did... it wouldnt make a dam difference.
Showing up to protests, writing people, writing articles... ranting on slashdot... DOES NOTHING.
The law trickles down... not up.
There isnt much anyone can do in todays world. We should get used to it.I know we wont, and we'll tell everyone about how much DRM sucks and they'll say "Well that sucks" and then we'll all buy the products despite our beleifs.
Its the way it goes.
The only real alternative is criminal. Support the hackers... and you're a criminal... Frankly thats the only real protest option left. The brilliant minds that liberate software, DVD, music... must go on.
Let the media giants push hard, and the coders have to push back harder.
Protesting, and writing your congressman is worthless. They do not care about you. That is the simple truth. They pass laws written by lobbiests paid for by the media giants. They have access and we the people do not.
Revolutions come from wars... not silly get togethers on the capital lawn.
I have this dvd player as well. It is very nice but it does not play all divx.
Every summer camp movie is about kids banging each other at summer camp.
Now we're taking the sex out of summer camp?
God dam Bush Administration!
here's a phrase.. BLOW ME...
i'm working unglodly ours to meet a dealine!@#$!@$%!$%!
actually the Myspace TOS also states that you must be AGE 14 or older to use myspace.
So a 14 year old may not enter a legally binding contract, but myspace also makes it clear that you must be 14 to use their service...
Which way is it ?
If my space specifies AGE 14 and up, then surely they are expecting every user, 14 and up to read the terms of service before continueing use.
It doesnt matter if its legally binding or not. Its written in clear words in the terms of service. The terms of service doesnt have to be considered a "legally binding contract" but instead a RULES of sort. She didnt read the rules...
Or maybe she did... and didnt obey them.
"No running at the pool"
Is that a legally binding contract, or a rule?
If you run at the pool and slip and crack your head... is it the fault of the owner?
A good lawyer could make it the fault of the owner, but really you were warned, and disreguarded the rules... and broke your head open. It's your fault.
Same thing in this case. A good lawyer could and of course will try to take MYspace for all its money... but in the end, its the fault of teh 14 year old. She didnt follow the rules, so how can anyone be expected to be responsible for her?
OTHER than her parents of course... which Myspace has every right to sue.
I think its fair that Myspace sue her and her family back for 300 million dollars for...
Straight from the MYspace Terms of Service...
"Please choose carefully the information you post on MySpace.com and that you provide to other Users."
Choose being the key word here. She chose to contact people with her personal information, thus putting herself at risk...
"Your MySpace.com profile may not include the following items: telephone numbers, street addresses, last names"
If her profile can not contain any personal contact info as per the rules, she then chose (theres that word again) to contact this 19 year old.
Myspace is not at fault for anything.
If anything, this 14 year old is a whore.
Case and point.
$10 a film is $5 dollars too much.
Movie theater tickets are $10.
... and America could careless :(
This stuff should be on tv every year in full coverage real time coverage.
I for one am very glad they have decided to police us more. I'm a perfect citizen and i have nothing to hide. Please install a police man inside the house of every American that way we can end domestic violence and crime all together.
We could stop crime if we all would just surrender to the government. They will take care of all!
We're in trouble. This is a serious problem. Once we go down this road there is no turning back. Well of coruse there is, but not when politics are involved.
Who is the idiot politician that will run on the platform of "I'm going to put back in the hands of our children violent videogames!"
There is NO turning back from this.
It's dead Jim.
What does that mean? Does that mean because its bad for a minor, an adult cant buy it on a store shelf?
I should probably RTFA but that caught my eye
Seriously. Women? This is silly.
Concentrate on writing a real Photoshop like program, a real video editing program on par with Avid, Final Cut, Premiere, or Vegas.
Keep hacking at OpenOffice
Get a 3D accelerated UI before Vista, and make it the standard gui.
Make it easier to adopt linux period. Easier install methods, less dependency hell.
Image is a good start, i agree with that but not just for women... try the Apple approach. Make it cool for all.
The problem is Mac OS has REAL applications. Shake (linux version thank god) Photoshop, Final Cut etc.
Linux still needs get over that hill i think. Its close, but its not for everyone, and its certainly not for women who arent IT brainiacs. And those women dont need any help with linux.
They could run around me in the dam thing i'm sure... but i wont use linux until it gets a little neater.
Isnt piracy just an evolutionary process that is the early sign of what life could be?
Take away all of the money claimed money loss and then whats wrong about piracy? Take away economics, and the fact that artists need to be paid to live... (i get that beleive me)
I think Piracy is that part of humanity that wishes to evolve towards a free for all world. A kind of "star trek world", where all have access to software reguardless of price, poverty level, intellect, country, or carear.
Piracy is definatly a protest, its also a crime... Name one protest historic protest that isnt a crime.
Piracy is also full of new ideas that are not bound by law. Think Napster and how its changed how we buy music today.
Sure the idiots that sell illegal stuff on cd/dvd should be stopped...
but in the end... piracy is an evolutionary process that is a statement of our civilization... Some think that statement is about prices being to high.... but its also a statement about civilization.
Do you think pirates are undermining companies because they like to risk their existance.... or is there a more idealistic visionary movement behind their motions.
some do it for the ego... some do it for the fun, and some do it for the money unfortunately... but in the end... i think its about giving access to the people.
And i think thats a deeper meaning that no legal threat will ever succeed at beating.
Sure its a protest to prices, but its also a protest about civilization in many respects. Look at linux and the thought behind it. It's free.... for all to enjoy.
We're in a digital age... but we're not really there yet. We're still early on, we're still evolving and maybe the old ways dont apply. Piracy is nothing new to computers... infact the entire industry was built from piracy.
Piracy cant be cured by arresting people anymore than America could be cured by the english arresting revolutionaries... Although todays civilians seem far more willing to obey.
Its a political movement, as we see with the pirates bay...
Its a statement, its a crime, its a protest, its an idiology, its evolution and perhaps fledgling beginnings of the future of civilization. One things for sure is that it will change the way we live.
Unforuntately i see things becoming much more controlling, and our rights being squished out of existance as they try to control/end piracy. Such things will help further the political mindset of pirates though.
So how do we best deal with piracy? From a consumer view... lower prices. From a buisness point of view, lock up the pirates and kill them all.
In many respects i'm glad there are pirates. We would not have a windows OS or a MAC os without them. The industry was built from pirates. The richest people in the industry were pirates...
Again i'm glad we have people that think differently and have skills to undo the software that we are "licensed" and dont even own.
As things get more controlling... where do people turn?
I think the methods we are taking to deal with piracy are going to spawn more revolutionaries...
How many of you can honestly say "I hope the pirates dont find a way to remove the DRM features for Vista?"
Look at Itunes and how piracy has helped create an entirely new buisness. Napster... the worlds most successful and public group of pirates changed a world... because by numbers they were visible and the effects were shocking but also quite brilliant. Software delivery systems that can distrubute music by searching... Thats brilliant!
Now its the STANDARD for online music sales (Not napster but the methods albiet slightly different)
But the point is out of that large amount of visible pirates, came new ideas... buisnesses didnt say "we need to do something cause we're losing money" They said "We need to do this some how and MAKE MONEY"
Today we have Itunes, Napster, Microsoft's shitty music service, etc etc etc.. Yet another industry standard spawned fr
Humans say Hawkings must walk first.
Space? Lets cure cancer, Aids, Psoriasis, Diabetes, Poverty....
Then we space...
Lets face it. We love slavery. We are horrible creatures that could careless about each other.
We'll given millions of illegal mexican immigrants amnesty because we love slavery!
We'll sell out our working class because they demand a quality life but slaves dont! Slaves can be used without a care in the world.
We love to use humans and not pay them.
We love to take credit for work other humans do.
We love to make money and not care about each other's well being.
We love slavery. We are horrible people that do not care about each other at all. We're doomed.
There is no reason why this has to happen, and yet we exploit people at every oppurtunity... because WE LOVE SLAVERY... WE ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE.
We are not evolved enough to survive as a species. We'll kill each other for a dollar just to feel special in our fancy cars that the next guy cant afford. We dont deserve to the future, and we'll never get there.
I reinstalled XP recently and my Key decided to "run out of activations" so i had to call up MS. I was furious...
I contemplated installing the various coporate versions and hacked Pro versions that i have on back up just out of spite.
But instead i called up MS went through their automated crap which is a nightmare in stupidity. After it finished it told me "I can not activate my key and to hold on to for an operator"
YAY.
So i get to the operator... I give her the code, she gives me a new key... all is solved...
Not so fast...
I go to install updates... and WGA must be installed first...
OK lets do it...
ERROR.. UNKNOWN ERROR.
What?! What the fuck?
I call MS tech support...
The guy is completely useless and puts me through to a smarter tech...
As i'm waiting for brainiac to pick up, i discover that by default windows XP installs IE with "Custom" security settings which does not allow WGA to install.
So lets recap. WGA wont install automatically on a default XP install because IE is set to custom security rather than "Medium"
Oh the stupid headache...
So i figure it out while waiting and then the guy picks up cause i'm a nice guy i waited to tell him what the problem was...
I tell him and i hang up.
WGA is not only a pain in the ass for legal users... the activation itself in windows is down right stupid. I have to call MS everytime i want to reinstall now.
Which is what? every month?
I made an image of the boot drive install instead. No thanks MS.
Its just too much. I dont care about MS's bottom line, i care about the dollars i spent and its a headache. Too much is too much and that too much was WGA itself.
I have the coporate and hacked WGA versions, I know how to reg hack the WGA dll out and kill access to it and bypass the windows update...
BUT I also OWN my windows... I tried to do the right thing and in the end, yeah it works but it was a big fuckign headache that i'm not willing to deal with any more. Things are only going to get worse as DRM and every other attempt made at taking control of your computer is made by these companies.
I like for it to be known that its just as easy to run the hacked versions with less of a headache... I was on the verge of doing it out of spite...
I only wanted to know why my Key wasnt working and why WGA was not allowing me to update cause i was angry... Thats the only reason i am running my legit copy of XP now.
I'd gladly explore other options next time if it means saving my time and my sanity.
Its really not cost feasible now as i understand. The installer said the hardware they give is basically $400+ in value per person and they arent charging for it.
He also mentioned that they've changed hardware once already and verizon is paying quite a bit per person and losing quite a bit on each install.
Thats interesting. I dont at all doubt your situation. I've experienced plenty of hell with a dlink 624 in the past. It was a revision C i beleive.
I cant explain why this one works now, and the old one i had did not. I'm happy it does though.
The problems i had with my first dlink 624 were just unbareable. XP would tell me every 5 seconds that i've lost network connection. The whole router would reboot. It was a nightmare and i quickly hated the dam thing.
Its just odd that this one works. I've had a friend have a similar situation. He was going to buy the dlink 624 and i told him my horror story and gave him many links of people having the reboot problems...
He still went ahead and bought one and had no problems with it. I guess luck has something to do with it.
Have you tried contacting verizon and asking for a replacement?
It's normal fo the phone reps to say they will remove the copper. I'm not sure tahts because they are uninformed, or doing what they're told.
Either way, its been widely discussed at dslreports.com aka broadbandreports.com and i havent heard of anyone ever having a problem with keeping the copper hookup.
The installers arent required to remove it, they are instructed to unless you chose to not remove it.
My installer asked me specifically if i wanted it removed. I said no, and i still have the copper line. I use Voip anyways but its been pretty common for people to be concerned about the issue and it has come up quite a bit and i've not heard of one that ever had a problem keeping the copper.