Well, the no DRM is an important aspect to this too. DRM punishes people who actually pay for content. I'm don't understand why companies keep insisting on using these restrictions. People who steal music, games, software, etc. get it without any restriction. If i buy it from iTunes, i can't use it on Linux, or anywhere other than in iTunes or on an ipod. It's stupid.
I'll continue to buy cd's and rip them myself instead.
Stop punishing your PAYING CUSTOMERS, or maybe we won't pay anymore.
I agree. I never buy stuff just because of a cool ad. I do, however, sometimes refuse to buy stuff because of advertisements i can't stand, like Old Navy, sooo irritating, each new commercial more irritating than the last.
And who form the major two parties is going to implement instant run-off? The ones who want to disrupt their "two party system", and allow people more of a choice?
The parent post shows a perfect example of exactly what they want you to think. Just keep voting for the Demo-publicans, nobody else can win, and you wouldn't want to vote for a loser, would you?
If the two party system was by design, then Nader, the Libertarian Candidate, and a bunch of other people would not be on the ballot anywhere. However, they are allowed on, depending on the requirments in that state, most people just choose not to vote for them assuming they won't win, but if everyone went out and voted for a third party candidate, they'd become president despite not being a pawn of the Republican/Democratic parties.
Those people who steal are still going to find a way to do it.
How many people do you think have pirated copies of Windows XP?
Wait!?!? They got around the systems MicroSoft put in place to prevent them from stealing? Unbelievable!
But for someone who bought a PC with XP and wants to re-install XP because of all the SpyWare, Worms, Viruses and crap that have taken over, now it's a pain in the ass the do. Windows 98 you could just put the disc in and install it again.
I seriously doubt, however, that XP has been less pirated than Windows 98.
And the people who bought crappy copy-protected cd's that won't work in their computer, which may be their main cd player. Or if they would like to back up a copy, in case it gets scratched, they can't now. But people will still figure ways around it and break the copy-protection.
The Point:
DRM, copy-protection, all this crap, ONLY HURTS PAYING CUSTOMERS.
The "theives who steal" will still get around it, and probably enjoy doing so.
Stop this DRM NONSENSE!
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You got an understanding judge. That doesn't always happen. Can't we come up with a better system for delivering things than big trucks, that stuff falls off of and causes accidents, that can't slow down quick enough to avoid an accident, that are so big and heavy that when they are involved in an accident it caueses fatalities and serious injuries?
How can you say that? When you turn something into a CD, anything you can do with a CD becomes part of the intended use. Do you honestly think Apple never imagined that would be done?
I'm sure apple imagined it would be done. I'm sure they imagined a lot of people would burn cd's, but then very few of them would then rip those cd's to mp3. Sure they know that it can be done, but people already have the aac on their computer, they'd only rip it if they need to play the mp3 on linux, or in a non-ipod player. I think apple thinks those two scenerios aren't going to happen often. They don't want people to use non-ipod players, and probably just don't bother with linux, because the time to develope iTunes for linux wouldn't be worth the returns they get for it.
It allows Apple to make sure the meta-data they want to stay with the songs stays wth them when songs are staying in digital formats, for one thing. (like the purchasers ID), and also make sure that all pats will work without a hiccup (the same reason for somewhat locked down hardware, that Apple can ensure a known set of behaviour).
but burning to cd, and then ripping to mp3 breaks that. So why are you saying that they intended to keep that intact, and intended for people to burn cd's and re-rip mp3's?
This is much more about control of data conversion paths than about DRM specifically (only a form of that).
What???
The parent to your post was correct. Allowing you to burn to cd's was a feature, but then ripping those cd's to mp3 was probably not an intended use.
What benefit does control of data conversion paths bring to apple?
And how is that not specifically DRM. Digitial Restrictions Management which restricts the way you can use a file you purchased, specifically "control of the data conversion path". Sounds like an intended restriction to me.
They allow you to burn to cd, and probably figure most people wouldn't bother ripping to mp3, because the original aac will work on their computer and their ipod. And if you have to go through that whole process of burning and then ripping again to get an mp3 of lesser quality to play on your non-ipod player, you're less likely to want to use iTMS with another player. Apple is hoping people will realize this and buy an ipod if they like iTMS, thus they sell more ipods.
Since this is Slashdot, it should be pointed out that this also restricts those files your purchased from being played on linux.
So instead we will have American CEO's running companies made up entirely of Indian/Chinese employees, who would never dream of ditching that CEO. Future generations will have no trouble finding quality work as a CEO, or Walmart employee, and everyone around the world will be happy.:)
How does your interest in the arts get you hired every time? Or am i reading your comment wrong?
I think that's very interesting. I have interest in arts, took a bunch of music classes in college, and play trumpet. But people who look at my resume keep saying, take this stuff off, it doesn't apply to the job you're applying for, employers don't really care about this.
Any suggestions on where to look, or how to apply this knowledge and interest to getting a job in the tech field with my computer science degree would be greatly appreciated.
Hmm. I think we are looking at different issues here than your comparison to computing in the eighties.
I think there is a valid point to be made about people having choices, and letting the use different systems for their own different uses.
But what is being addressed right now is that people are going to want choices AND standards. People want to be able to write a document and be able to distribute it to anyone and let them edit it, whether they are using Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, BSD, or any other choice of OS/hardware combination that comes about. PDF is good for distributing a document that can't be editted, but not one that can, obviously.
People should be able to create websites/web applications that will run on any of these platforms.
That is where the idea of standards comes in, and this is what is being discussed.
Microsoft comes up with their own standard.DOC, and IE only websites, and Miquel's blog addresses the issue of this continuing to happen with.NET and Longhorn, and trying to beat them to it, and make their items work on other platforms.
The iTunes store afforded consumers much more freedom with their purchases than any of the other online stores, and this software may well have a hand in taking that away.
Audio Lunchbox provides much more freedom than iTunes.
In fact, there's nothing to crack.
Problem solved.
Go ahead and take away the DRM filled stores.
I was under the impression that "modified" or "radio-friendly" versions of albums are usually labeled rather clearly as being edited versions of the original. Not just at Wal-Mart, but anywhere.
Actually I've seen some where the difference is, the "radio-friendly" version didn't have a parental advisory sticker on it. So the difference was that the modified version had one less sticker/label.
So, you're utopia is an America where nobody really works, they just gamble on the stock market, and benefit from the endless bounty it brings forth. Nobody ever loses money on the stock market.
The thing is there are probably others who feel the same way. When only 50% of people eligible to vote are voting, if the rest of them did, things could change.
If one year all the people who feel the same way you do vote for the democrat, or a third party that will end the corruption you are seeing things could be changed.
The internet could be used to inform people about the chance they have to make a difference, especially if the TV and Newspapers in your area are bad.
But if everyone just gives up and believes that trying to change things is futile, things will never change.
None of you whining geeks cared one whit about the livelihoods of the Detroit automakers, American tailors, or consumer electronics while all THAT was shipped overseas, but now that it might actually affect YOU, it's time to take a stand and put a stop to it, right?
How the hell do you know what i care about. I do think that when the auto industry does it it's bullshit too. I thought that since i watched Michael Moore's "Roger and Me" back when i was younger, and before he went a little off the edge. I couldn't vote then or i would have voted for someone who wanted to put a stop to that.
But claiming that I only care about myself makes your point better, so that must be true, huh?
so what, exactly, is unethical about moving jobs overseas?
Taking peoples livelyhood away so that you can live your own pockets with a few more millions, and pay some overseas people a wage that will never allow them to buy all these products your company is selling. Why do people think this form of globalization is going to better the world. People like her only care about bettering their own bank accounts.
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Well, the no DRM is an important aspect to this too. DRM punishes people who actually pay for content. I'm don't understand why companies keep insisting on using these restrictions. People who steal music, games, software, etc. get it without any restriction. If i buy it from iTunes, i can't use it on Linux, or anywhere other than in iTunes or on an ipod. It's stupid.
I'll continue to buy cd's and rip them myself instead.
Stop punishing your PAYING CUSTOMERS, or maybe we won't pay anymore.
TMBG has gotten it right, good for them.
I agree. I never buy stuff just because of a cool ad. I do, however, sometimes refuse to buy stuff because of advertisements i can't stand, like Old Navy, sooo irritating, each new commercial more irritating than the last.
And who form the major two parties is going to implement instant run-off? The ones who want to disrupt their "two party system", and allow people more of a choice?
The parent post shows a perfect example of exactly what they want you to think. Just keep voting for the Demo-publicans, nobody else can win, and you wouldn't want to vote for a loser, would you?
If the two party system was by design, then Nader, the Libertarian Candidate, and a bunch of other people would not be on the ballot anywhere. However, they are allowed on, depending on the requirments in that state, most people just choose not to vote for them assuming they won't win, but if everyone went out and voted for a third party candidate, they'd become president despite not being a pawn of the Republican/Democratic parties.
It Can't.
Then it would be GIU, and that just looks like a typo of GUI.
Everyone could just block the ads with firefox, and let LinuxToday take money from MicroSoft for ads that no one will see. :)
Those people who steal are still going to find a way to do it.
How many people do you think have pirated copies of Windows XP?
Wait!?!? They got around the systems MicroSoft put in place to prevent them from stealing? Unbelievable!
But for someone who bought a PC with XP and wants to re-install XP because of all the SpyWare, Worms, Viruses and crap that have taken over, now it's a pain in the ass the do. Windows 98 you could just put the disc in and install it again.
I seriously doubt, however, that XP has been less pirated than Windows 98.
And the people who bought crappy copy-protected cd's that won't work in their computer, which may be their main cd player. Or if they would like to back up a copy, in case it gets scratched, they can't now. But people will still figure ways around it and break the copy-protection.
The Point:
DRM, copy-protection, all this crap, ONLY HURTS PAYING CUSTOMERS.
The "theives who steal" will still get around it, and probably enjoy doing so.
Stop this DRM NONSENSE!
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You got an understanding judge. That doesn't always happen. Can't we come up with a better system for delivering things than big trucks, that stuff falls off of and causes accidents, that can't slow down quick enough to avoid an accident, that are so big and heavy that when they are involved in an accident it caueses fatalities and serious injuries?
How can you say that? When you turn something into a CD, anything you can do with a CD becomes part of the intended use. Do you honestly think Apple never imagined that would be done?
I'm sure apple imagined it would be done. I'm sure they imagined a lot of people would burn cd's, but then very few of them would then rip those cd's to mp3. Sure they know that it can be done, but people already have the aac on their computer, they'd only rip it if they need to play the mp3 on linux, or in a non-ipod player. I think apple thinks those two scenerios aren't going to happen often. They don't want people to use non-ipod players, and probably just don't bother with linux, because the time to develope iTunes for linux wouldn't be worth the returns they get for it.
It allows Apple to make sure the meta-data they want to stay with the songs stays wth them when songs are staying in digital formats, for one thing. (like the purchasers ID), and also make sure that all pats will work without a hiccup (the same reason for somewhat locked down hardware, that Apple can ensure a known set of behaviour).
but burning to cd, and then ripping to mp3 breaks that. So why are you saying that they intended to keep that intact, and intended for people to burn cd's and re-rip mp3's?
What???
The parent to your post was correct. Allowing you to burn to cd's was a feature, but then ripping those cd's to mp3 was probably not an intended use.
What benefit does control of data conversion paths bring to apple?
And how is that not specifically DRM. Digitial Restrictions Management which restricts the way you can use a file you purchased, specifically "control of the data conversion path". Sounds like an intended restriction to me.
They allow you to burn to cd, and probably figure most people wouldn't bother ripping to mp3, because the original aac will work on their computer and their ipod. And if you have to go through that whole process of burning and then ripping again to get an mp3 of lesser quality to play on your non-ipod player, you're less likely to want to use iTMS with another player. Apple is hoping people will realize this and buy an ipod if they like iTMS, thus they sell more ipods.
Since this is Slashdot, it should be pointed out that this also restricts those files your purchased from being played on linux.
If it wasn't for the sun, there wouldn't be any shadows.
Burning aac's to cd and re-ripping results in great loss of quality, especially if you encode it in a different lossy format, like mp3.
If you're going to do all this, just buy the original cd, you don't need to burn it, and you can rip it yourself from the original full-quality cd.
So instead we will have American CEO's running companies made up entirely of Indian/Chinese employees, who would never dream of ditching that CEO. Future generations will have no trouble finding quality work as a CEO, or Walmart employee, and everyone around the world will be happy. :)
I have a question for you.
How does your interest in the arts get you hired every time? Or am i reading your comment wrong?
I think that's very interesting. I have interest in arts, took a bunch of music classes in college, and play trumpet. But people who look at my resume keep saying, take this stuff off, it doesn't apply to the job you're applying for, employers don't really care about this.
Any suggestions on where to look, or how to apply this knowledge and interest to getting a job in the tech field with my computer science degree would be greatly appreciated.
Hmm. I think we are looking at different issues here than your comparison to computing in the eighties.
.DOC, and IE only websites, and Miquel's blog addresses the issue of this continuing to happen with .NET and Longhorn, and trying to beat them to it, and make their items work on other platforms.
I think there is a valid point to be made about people having choices, and letting the use different systems for their own different uses.
But what is being addressed right now is that people are going to want choices AND standards. People want to be able to write a document and be able to distribute it to anyone and let them edit it, whether they are using Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, BSD, or any other choice of OS/hardware combination that comes about. PDF is good for distributing a document that can't be editted, but not one that can, obviously.
People should be able to create websites/web applications that will run on any of these platforms.
That is where the idea of standards comes in, and this is what is being discussed.
Microsoft comes up with their own standard
Audio Lunchbox provides much more freedom than iTunes.
In fact, there's nothing to crack.
Problem solved.
Go ahead and take away the DRM filled stores.
I was under the impression that "modified" or "radio-friendly" versions of albums are usually labeled rather clearly as being edited versions of the original. Not just at Wal-Mart, but anywhere.
Actually I've seen some where the difference is, the "radio-friendly" version didn't have a parental advisory sticker on it. So the difference was that the modified version had one less sticker/label.
So, you're utopia is an America where nobody really works, they just gamble on the stock market, and benefit from the endless bounty it brings forth. Nobody ever loses money on the stock market.
Is that about right?
The thing is there are probably others who feel the same way. When only 50% of people eligible to vote are voting, if the rest of them did, things could change.
If one year all the people who feel the same way you do vote for the democrat, or a third party that will end the corruption you are seeing things could be changed.
The internet could be used to inform people about the chance they have to make a difference, especially if the TV and Newspapers in your area are bad.
But if everyone just gives up and believes that trying to change things is futile, things will never change.
Wait.
Everybuddy listen up.
Some guy who calls himself Adolph Hitler is calling people racist.
Then they'd be forced to change it to: M----- Pronounced: Ridiculous
Wouldn't overclocking Sega Genesis/Megadrive "Set us up the Bomb"?
Taking peoples livelyhood away so that you can live your own pockets with a few more millions, and pay some overseas people a wage that will never allow them to buy all these products your company is selling.
Why do people think this form of globalization is going to better the world. People like her only care about bettering their own bank accounts.