Oooooh I lost karma. I meant to AC this comment but whatever. That wasnt flamebait, IT WAS A FUCKING FLAME. I ate that guy's bait. If you're some cocky asshole who thinks anyone playing or talking about an MMORPG is not "grown up," then DONT READ THE GODDAMN STORY. It was obvious from the headline what the topic is.
Mod me down sure this is flamewar crap, but so is the GP I replied to in the first place. Insightful? WTF?
b) keep giving them your money, and give them some publicity on/., too
With enemies like you, who needs friends?
It's not like he can go get another WoW provider. He likes the game, but is unhappy with the CS. I can't think of anything better he could do to pressure Blizzard, that takes less effort for him. Interesting read Taco.
Besides, I more likely to get a "non-gamer" to play a game of Dungeon! or Black Morn Manor with me than a game of Dungeons and Dragons (and believe me I've tried!)
I am pretty much a non-gamer when it comes to D&D table top RPG i dunno the correct term, but Dungeon! is sooooooooooooo fun:D
So, because it didn't affect a whole lot of people, it wasn't the right thing to do? Come on now.
no, because it didn't effect a large number of people (cost the company any real amount of money) they were willing to do it:D as the GP said, it's all about appearances
Last year, an hourly worker at a manufacturing plant sent Mr. Parkinson an email asking about Baxter's policy for supplementing the pay of employees called up to active military duty. The CEO discovered the subsidy ended after 24 weeks, even though some Baxter employees were serving on longer assignments. He ordered the differential extended to 50 weeks and made the change retroactive to January 2003. A company spokeswoman says the move affected relatively few employees but boosted overall morale.[emphasis obviously added]
Intelligent plans
Fuck a record deal, I want development land
With my benevolent clan
And that's the reason that I only trust my fam
40,000 records sold, 400 grand
Fuck a middle man, I won't pay anyone else
I'll bootleg it and sell it to the streets my self
I'd rather be that than signed and stuck on a shelf
And because of this executives try to diss me
Racism frozen in time like Walt Disney
And now they say they wanna get me signed to the majors
If I switch up my politics and change my behavior
Try to tell me what to rhyme about over the beat
Bitch niggas that never spent a day in the street
But I repeat that nobody can hold my reigns
I put the truth on tracks nigga, simple and plain
(Pinocchio)
I got no strings, so I have fun
I'm not tied up when we need one
They've got strings but you can see
There are no strings on me!
-Immortal Technique from the song "Freedom of Speech"
if you can play it once, you can copy it. they have to ban all non-DRM enabled devices (i can see this happening) in order to stop piracy. one DRM free copy is all it takes...
As long as analog audio equipment is around, WHY do these companies bother with DRM? WHY?
1. Insert DRM crap into computer A.
2. Run sound cable from comp A to comp B.
3. Play on comp A and record on comp B.
MP3 groups arent gonna have a hard time doing that... or something similar. If all else fails, you could just mic your speakers... Really any person with a little bit of knowledge can make a decent copy, and all it takes is 1 copy being released to the scene.
"40,000 records sold, 400 grand
Fuck a middle man, I won't pay anyone else
I'll bootleg it and sell it to the streets my self
I'd rather be that than signed and stuck on a shelf" -Immortal Technique
Damn your relentless logic! Personally, I believe that cancer is caused by 'intelligent infection'. Cancer is far to complicated to be anything but the work of a 'great doctor in the sky'.
Yeah sorry to vent about FFXI in a WoW thread, it's just that I already quit one MMORPG (Project Entropia) because the company running it was outright rude and disrespectful to its customers. Some other notes about FFXI: their CS number is not toll free. human CS is only available during daytime (pacific), on weekdays. i waited at least 15min on hold before i got a rep. i have paid for one expansion pack already, another one is on the way. and.... last but not least, im sure square-enix would have given even more vague and insulting anwers than blizzard to these questions. WAKE UP PEOPLE, 13YR OLDS ARENT THE ONLY ONES PLAYING, OR PAYING.
I've never had a problem with Customer Support in the half dozen or so times I've contacted them. Some people feel like saying no when asked to restore an item that "my little brother sold" is bad CS. I personally feel like it's good CS. Players are also *much* more demanding of game CS than they are of CS in non-game related areas. Ever swear at a phone support rep from basically any company? They'll politely inform you they're going to hang up, you can call again when you can be civil. CS staff for games get sworn at incessantly, language to make my grandmother cry. They also also regularly attempted to be defrauded, "I had uber item 01, now it's gone" "Says here, you traded it to a guild mate 20 seconds before you opened your petition" "not uh!"
When my ISP (Roadrunner) service is interrupted, even briefly, due to a known issue that is THIER fault, I can call in to CS and get credited for the time on my bill. It's usually a few cents of course, but they will credit me. In the neighborhood I used to live in, the service was horrible all the time. I complained several times, and finally they replaced damn near everything leading up to my house, and credited me for 2 months free.
I play Final Fantasy XI. I play 0-4 hours a day, average maybe 1 hour. The amount of problems is getting increasingly ludicrous... When I called CS, finally, I was civil and polite (although noticeably angry) and they refused to credit me a penny.
"We don't give any reimbursements or credits, it's in the license agreement [in section blah blah]." the CS guy told me(paraphrase) like I would be happy to hear it. Oh yeah, great....
Am I really that unreasonable? Technical problems are to be expected, but almost every day? To those who will say they would go broke: Roadrunner will only credit you if you call and whine. It seems to me that MMORPG companies need to learn a lesson in customer service. Treat your customers like junkies, and you will end up with only a few junkies for customers.
This guy ACTUALLY HACKED T-Mobile. He even had access to the accounts of the Secret Service agents investigating the hack. It looks like he wants a security job too. Funny thing is his story didn't get HALF the press. Wonder why... o_O
Why should they be praised for being greedy also? Even if the end result is good. Reverse the situation and Adobe would do the same thing to some other company.
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Oooooh I lost karma. I meant to AC this comment but whatever. That wasnt flamebait, IT WAS A FUCKING FLAME. I ate that guy's bait. If you're some cocky asshole who thinks anyone playing or talking about an MMORPG is not "grown up," then DONT READ THE GODDAMN STORY. It was obvious from the headline what the topic is.
Mod me down sure this is flamewar crap, but so is the GP I replied to in the first place. Insightful? WTF?
So they screw you.
/., too
You could a) take your money elsewhere
b) keep giving them your money, and give them some publicity on
With enemies like you, who needs friends?
It's not like he can go get another WoW provider. He likes the game, but is unhappy with the CS. I can't think of anything better he could do to pressure Blizzard, that takes less effort for him. Interesting read Taco.
This was well thought out and written. Fuck you. Youre posting on HIS SITE telling him to grow up....
Besides, I more likely to get a "non-gamer" to play a game of Dungeon! or Black Morn Manor with me than a game of Dungeons and Dragons (and believe me I've tried!)
:D
I am pretty much a non-gamer when it comes to D&D table top RPG i dunno the correct term, but Dungeon! is sooooooooooooo fun
they suck.
So, because it didn't affect a whole lot of people, it wasn't the right thing to do? Come on now.
:D as the GP said, it's all about appearances
no, because it didn't effect a large number of people (cost the company any real amount of money) they were willing to do it
I'd say that about sums it up...
-Immortal Technique from the song "Freedom of Speech"
http://www.immortaltechnique.com/
Think before you speak. Please.
:D
Read the other guy's reply about VMWARE before you flame. Please.
mod this guy up he pwned me :(
ok it's a bit more difficult when the player needs to be compliant, but just like sound: if you can play it, you can copy it.
like i just posted here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=164258&cid=137 17025
if you can play it once, you can copy it. they have to ban all non-DRM enabled devices (i can see this happening) in order to stop piracy. one DRM free copy is all it takes...
As long as analog audio equipment is around, WHY do these companies bother with DRM? WHY?
1. Insert DRM crap into computer A. 2. Run sound cable from comp A to comp B. 3. Play on comp A and record on comp B. MP3 groups arent gonna have a hard time doing that... or something similar. If all else fails, you could just mic your speakers... Really any person with a little bit of knowledge can make a decent copy, and all it takes is 1 copy being released to the scene.
"40,000 records sold, 400 grand
Fuck a middle man, I won't pay anyone else
I'll bootleg it and sell it to the streets my self
I'd rather be that than signed and stuck on a shelf" -Immortal Technique
http://www.immortaltechnique.com/
Damn your relentless logic! Personally, I believe that cancer is caused by 'intelligent infection'. Cancer is far to complicated to be anything but the work of a 'great doctor in the sky'.
:(
that god is one sadistic motherfucker
Michael Crichton creams his pants in cybercafe after reading this report.
Why is Michael Crichton hanging out at a cybercafe?
to pick up fat chicks duh!
Michael Crichton creams his pants in cybercafe after reading this report.
Yeah sorry to vent about FFXI in a WoW thread, it's just that I already quit one MMORPG (Project Entropia) because the company running it was outright rude and disrespectful to its customers. Some other notes about FFXI: their CS number is not toll free. human CS is only available during daytime (pacific), on weekdays. i waited at least 15min on hold before i got a rep. i have paid for one expansion pack already, another one is on the way. and.... last but not least, im sure square-enix would have given even more vague and insulting anwers than blizzard to these questions. WAKE UP PEOPLE, 13YR OLDS ARENT THE ONLY ONES PLAYING, OR PAYING.
I've never had a problem with Customer Support in the half dozen or so times I've contacted them. Some people feel like saying no when asked to restore an item that "my little brother sold" is bad CS. I personally feel like it's good CS. Players are also *much* more demanding of game CS than they are of CS in non-game related areas. Ever swear at a phone support rep from basically any company? They'll politely inform you they're going to hang up, you can call again when you can be civil. CS staff for games get sworn at incessantly, language to make my grandmother cry. They also also regularly attempted to be defrauded, "I had uber item 01, now it's gone" "Says here, you traded it to a guild mate 20 seconds before you opened your petition" "not uh!"
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When my ISP (Roadrunner) service is interrupted, even briefly, due to a known issue that is THIER fault, I can call in to CS and get credited for the time on my bill. It's usually a few cents of course, but they will credit me. In the neighborhood I used to live in, the service was horrible all the time. I complained several times, and finally they replaced damn near everything leading up to my house, and credited me for 2 months free.
Now, take a look at this page: http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/polnews/list_mnt
I play Final Fantasy XI. I play 0-4 hours a day, average maybe 1 hour. The amount of problems is getting increasingly ludicrous... When I called CS, finally, I was civil and polite (although noticeably angry) and they refused to credit me a penny.
"We don't give any reimbursements or credits, it's in the license agreement [in section blah blah]." the CS guy told me(paraphrase) like I would be happy to hear it. Oh yeah, great....
Am I really that unreasonable? Technical problems are to be expected, but almost every day? To those who will say they would go broke: Roadrunner will only credit you if you call and whine. It seems to me that MMORPG companies need to learn a lesson in customer service. Treat your customers like junkies, and you will end up with only a few junkies for customers.
I don't know anyone else, but I'm tired of corporate money running this country. I want my country back.
I'm sorry to say, but big money has been running this country since its inception. Read the Federalist Papers? That should be a good start.
"Dub it off ya friend dont spend that ten bucks/I do it for the advance the back end sucks" -MF DOOM
http://www.4law.co.il/jacob1.htm
This guy ACTUALLY HACKED T-Mobile. He even had access to the accounts of the Secret Service agents investigating the hack. It looks like he wants a security job too. Funny thing is his story didn't get HALF the press. Wonder why... o_O
Why should they be praised for being greedy also? Even if the end result is good. Reverse the situation and Adobe would do the same thing to some other company.
Finally, he raises the question on whether corporations should get involved in social issues. Too bad this is a human rights issue.
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