There is no 'room' for a 'bell curve' which would give meaningful results.
When I read the parent, I immediately thought of this:
[1] Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. [2] And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. [3] And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, [4] They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. [5] Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? [6] This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. [7] So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. [8] And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. [9] And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. [10] When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? [11] She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
I heard they had to do 'crazy stuff' (such as play golf on the moon) just to keep people watching the moon landings after the Apollo 11 and ill-fated Apollo 13 missions.
Eventually, the Apollo program was scrapped for something closer to home: The Shuttle Program.
Same thing happened again: People stopped watching Shuttle missions when they became routine........Until January 28, 1986 (and slightly over 17 years later, February 1, 2003)
wait wait wait. Thats a theological no no. The angels don't have free will. Humans do. Angels do not. they have no sex and all bu[t] the seraphim do not have free will.
If that is so, how do you explain Lucifer, and the 'fallen' angels--one-third of the number originally created by God?
Then there is Judas....
Free will or 'predestination' in his case?
Please elaborate on all the above.
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Don't know if it still works with the Pentium 2, 3, or 4.
Is anybody willing to verify that this 'bug' still works for the Pentium 2, 3, and 4s?
After Klez, I took PC security *very* seriously!
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About two years ago I download a shareware program from a particular website.
After that, my PC acted sluggishly after I installed the program and whenever I when online.
I finally found out my PC had picked up the Klez virus and that a bunch of.exe files were infected with it.
After this incident, after disinfecting my PC, I took PC security very seriously!
I found the URLs below very helpful to keep my PC free of all malware:
The 'Home User Self Defense Guides' at http://www.uksecurityonline.com (Thanks to spammers/crackers/blackhats, you have get a free account with a valid email address in order to access the Guides.)
My program CF13 keeps malware out of my PC by treating all email file attachments as 'text files'. This renders any malware in them inert and also makes it safe to scan said files for malware or otherwise handle them--even delete them.
The only way the botnets will continue to survive is through user inertia/apathy or, worse yet, trusted firewall/antivirus programs become silently compromised and used widely.
Concerning 'string theory': That's intriguing. As you said, it is a theory. Even if it's true, one could still ask 'where did the 5 dimensional planes that exsist in a 11 dimentional universe' come from?:)
Concerning 'ideas': I agree, though my exact wording:
The only thing man can create 'out of nothing' (albeit with prior environmental influences) are ideas.
did not give you that impression. The 'prior environmental influences' would be the 'derivation' you mentioned.
The closest counterexample I can come up with that may meet your criteria is the Bible itself which says in it:
[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Concerning 'next issue': A simple counterexample: one can create a house using their imagination. I stand corrected in that respect ^^;. However, without proof in a tangible form to one or more of the five senses, no one will ever know you built 'the house of your dreams.' Faith, proper faith, is the key to making the intangible tangible
[1] Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [2] For by it the elders obtained a good report. [3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Concerning 'last point': I belive that a combination of God's omniscience and the free-will given to Man (and the angels) could be construed as a third alternative. Googling 'omniscience' brought up two links that caught my eye:
Challenge: Have a man really create something tangible with the five senses (seeing, hearing, touching, tasting, smelling) from absolutely nothing at all.
Oh come on, that's easy.
Though to be pedantic, it requires a man and a woman.;-)
[TMB]
Ah, but you've glossed over the requirement: absolutely nothing at all.
To procreate offspring, 'material' from the man is combined with 'material' from the woman inside the woman's body for an approximate nine month gestation period before birth and delivery of said offspring. These 'materials' obviously exist as they can be perceived with the senses and the end result, the offspring, can also be perceived with the senses.
In one way, not counting artificial insemination techniques, you are correct. Nothing 'artificially manmade' per se is used or needed for procreation so on that level you are correct.
The best example of 'absolutely nothing at all.' that I know of concerning procreation, is this:
[26] And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, [27] To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. [28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [36] And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. [37] For with God nothing shall be impossible. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
Challenge: Have a man really create something tangible with the five senses (seeing, hearing, touching, tasting, smelling) from absolutely nothing at all.
I say it can't be done--Man is, in this case, a product of his environment. Everything he conceives and creates in this environment is a measurable byproduct of his existince and interaction in his environment and the accumulated knowledge he gained in said environment. This is accomplished in incremental steps combining the materials and knownledge at hand in an effort to produce a desired result and gain additional knowledge.
For example, a 'basic' H-bomb is a three-stage weapon of mass destruction. It is a small conventional (non-nuclear) explosive charge triggering a much larger fission explosion (A-bomb), which in turn triggers the massive fusion explosion (H-bomb) at the end...all happening well within one second!
The only thing man can create 'out of nothing' (albeit with prior environmental influences) are ideas.
You cannot directly see, hear, touch, taste, or smell an idea conceived by another person unless said idea is implemented using the materials at hand--even other people.
Since man is a product of his environment, what caused the existence of his environment in the first place?
If you say 'The Big Bang', then what caused 'The Big Bang'?
Again, according to Occam's Razor, you are left with two choices:
1) A statement of doubt: I don't know. 2) A statement of faith: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
Wendy's 'Where's the Beef?' campaign with (the late) Clara Peller....
That Coca Cola commercial with football player Joe Green and the kid....
The Cheer detergent commercial series with the silent, glasses wearing guy and the classical music background soundtrack....
All four were ads but somehow the 'sales pitch' got lost in the 'artistry' of the commercial.
I don't mind watching commercials like these because they are entertaining most of all.
Nowadays, that aspect is lost on most commercials aired today. It's all about marketing--setting up a favorable environment to persuasively showcase the product in: desparate and phony as a three dollar bill.
And don't get me started about 'ad creep' and 'product placement'.
Well now, if the marketers entertain first and market second, more people may watch their commercials instead of skipping over them with their VCRs and PVRs....
Commercials that are not entertaining (or at least informative) are percieved as a waste of time and treated as such. The industry's only other alternative would be to ban the existence of 'commercial skip' and 'fast forward' buttons on VCRs and PVRs manufactured in the future....
No heaven or hell to go to after you die. So you'll be behaving yourself because you're civilized and not just to get the price at the end of the ride.
Tell that to this guy. He says he's been to both places!
The essential problem is that email is a push technology by necessity. A successful antispam technology protects the entry point to the system, but protecting the entry point is a Hard Problem.
If you were using my program CF13, all your spam would have been funneled into two files for ease of perusal and deletion and all spam attachments (which are likely virus laden) would have been rendered 'harmless' and clearly labeled making it easy to delete them.
I have also programmed a 'spamblaster' version of CF13 to delete spam at the server level whenever possible but that would inevitably lead to a 'false positive' and a non-spam email being deleted as a result. It's advantage is that 'spams are counted but not logged and stored'. Since you are drowning in spam, my program could possibly help you.
Rubberhose transparently and deniably encrypts disk data, minimising the effectiveness of warrants, coersive interrogations and other compulsive mechanims, such as U.K RIP legislation. Rubberhose differs from conventional disk encryption systems in that it has an advanced modular architecture, self-test suite, is more secure, portable, utilises information hiding (steganography / deniable cryptography), works with any file system and has source freely available. Currently supported ciphers are DES, 3DES, IDEA, RC5, RC6, Blowfish, Twofish and CAST.
Written by Julian Assange, Ralf P. Weinmann and Suelette Dreyfus, Rubberhose is currently available for Linux 2.2. Userland daemons and tools are highly portable. NetBSD & FreeBSD kernel modules are nearing completion.
More information on 'rubber hose cryptanalysis' of various forms
In a nutshell, if the 'rubber hose squad' knows (or just doesn't care--they are sadists) you have juicy confidential data, they WILL continue to torture you until you give the data up or you are dead ('I don't recall' be damned). Even if you give the juicy data up, they'd likely kill you anyway (no loose ends).
If anybody can refute my conclusions above, feel free to do so. In closing, if you 'traffic' in life-or-death secret information, you must be prepared to die to keep said information secret from the (ruthless, first class, highly intelligent) 'rubber hose squad'.
Then Slashdot would have to shut down on principle
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A better fix would be to mark all astroturf submissions "denied".
Then Slashdot would have to shut down on principle....
The person selling the BTTF Delorean Time Machine Replica got free advertising on Slashdot.
The DSPAM creator(s) got free advertising on Slashdot.
Jack Valenti retires! Sounded like news to me so I pass the URL on to Slashdot. Rejected.
Hey everybody, I wrote 'the mother of all email spam filters' after months of research, thought, and programming. I pass the URL on to Slashdot so others can know about it. Rejected.
It would appear Slashdot's editorial policy is inconsistent....
What does it take to get a story on Slashdot?
I submitted a genuine, non-astroturf story about outgoing MPAA president Jack Valenti and expensive Hollywood movies and got rejected. Can't be a bandwith issue--surely Slashdot cannot slashdot the BBC's website, can they? So then why was this story rejected after I (haphazardly) summarized it (along with some parting thoughts) rather than simply give them a sentence or two along with the URL?
My retail software product is, at face value no different from the other items for sale mentioned above. Why the apparent bias that appears to favor big companies or 'big ticket items' offered for sale by private citizens?
Then there's DSPAM and CF13, two email spam filters.
One is open source.
The other is closed source but open algorithm. There is enough information available at the CF13 homepage for a knowledgeable programmer to write their own version of CF13 if they wanted to. In fact, I took GREAT PAINS to make sure the algorithms used by CF13 wouldn't wind up patented and out of play for the next twenty years!
Doesn't that sound like something newsworthy?
Does Slashdot's editorial policy boil down to:
If there is money involved, size matters. If not, it has to be free and open source.
If it does, it should be changed for the better to something more impartial than what is in place now....
If you were using my program CF13, all your spam would have been funneled into two files for ease of perusal and deletion and all spam attachments (which are likely virus laden) would have been rendered 'harmless' and clearly labeled making it easy to delete them.
I could have programmed CF13 to delete spam at the server level whenever possible but that would inevitably lead to a 'false positive' and a non-spam email being deleted as a result.
If you'd like to use a 'spamblaster' version of CF13 (with the risk of real email deleted as a 'false positive') contact me here.
Some expensive Ampex analog tape from the mid 70's was notoriously bad. After a few years the oxide would just start falling off.
The master tapes to the music soundtrack to TRON almost devolved into 'Pure Tree Sap'. Thankfully, Wendy Carlos was able to rescue it for its (legitimate) CD release--of which I own a copy.
Oh dear, it looks like it's out of print (after TWO years!?!?) so I didn't bother with an Amazon link to it--3rd parties are offering it for sale there at the time of writing this post for $28.50 to $59.99....:(
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I would mod parent up but I can't unfortunately.
Unfortunately, I heard a md5 hash collision was found.
For the truly paranoid, only a byte-for-byte comparison will do for integrity checking....
Such conduct renders ratings meaningless.
There is no 'room' for a 'bell curve' which would give meaningful results.
When I read the parent, I immediately thought of this:
Commercial television at its finest....
The advertising is BETWEEN the programs instead of IN the programs or INTERRUPTING the programs.
I heard they had to do 'crazy stuff' (such as play golf on the moon) just to keep people watching the moon landings after the Apollo 11 and ill-fated Apollo 13 missions.
....Until January 28, 1986 (and slightly over 17 years later, February 1, 2003)
Eventually, the Apollo program was scrapped for something closer to home: The Shuttle Program.
Same thing happened again: People stopped watching Shuttle missions when they became routine....
Really?
I heard the stateside people (Bally/Midway?) asked for the name change to be made for the exact same reason.
If that is so, how do you explain Lucifer, and the 'fallen' angels--one-third of the number originally created by God?
Then there is Judas....
Free will or 'predestination' in his case?
Please elaborate on all the above.
Look what happened to that egg Dennis stole!
Proof that technology and cloning doesn't mix!
This is probably what they are talking about:
Intel "f00f" Pentium bug
Never tried it out.
Don't know if it still works with the Pentium 2, 3, or 4.
Is anybody willing to verify that this 'bug' still works for the Pentium 2, 3, and 4s?
About two years ago I download a shareware program from a particular website.
.exe files were infected with it.
After that, my PC acted sluggishly after I installed the program and whenever I when online.
I finally found out my PC had picked up the Klez virus and that a bunch of
After this incident, after disinfecting my PC, I took PC security very seriously!
I found the URLs below very helpful to keep my PC free of all malware:
The 'Home User Self Defense Guides' at http://www.uksecurityonline.com
(Thanks to spammers/crackers/blackhats, you have get a free account with a valid email address in order to access the Guides.)
AVG antivirus by Grisoft.
Sysclean by Trend Micro
Outpost Firewall by Agnitum.
My program CF13 keeps malware out of my PC by treating all email file attachments as 'text files'. This renders any malware in them inert and also makes it safe to scan said files for malware or otherwise handle them--even delete them.
The only way the botnets will continue to survive is through user inertia/apathy or, worse yet, trusted firewall/antivirus programs become silently compromised and used widely.
Concerning 'ideas': I agree, though my exact wording:
did not give you that impression. The 'prior environmental influences' would be the 'derivation' you mentioned.
The closest counterexample I can come up with that may meet your criteria is the Bible itself which says in it:
Concerning 'next issue': A simple counterexample: one can create a house using their imagination. I stand corrected in that respect ^^;. However, without proof in a tangible form to one or more of the five senses, no one will ever know you built 'the house of your dreams.' Faith, proper faith, is the key to making the intangible tangible
and the tangible intangible
Concerning 'last point': I belive that a combination of God's omniscience and the free-will given to Man (and the angels) could be construed as a third alternative. Googling 'omniscience' brought up two links that caught my eye:
The Omniscience of God and the Free-Will of Man
Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience
Ah, but you've glossed over the requirement: absolutely nothing at all.
To procreate offspring, 'material' from the man is combined with 'material' from the woman inside the woman's body for an approximate nine month gestation period before birth and delivery of said offspring. These 'materials' obviously exist as they can be perceived with the senses and the end result, the offspring, can also be perceived with the senses.
In one way, not counting artificial insemination techniques, you are correct. Nothing 'artificially manmade' per se is used or needed for procreation so on that level you are correct.
The best example of 'absolutely nothing at all.' that I know of concerning procreation, is this:
PS: I'm not counting the similar origin of a world famous movie character from a particular movie released in 1999--that is 100% fictional.
Perhaps the writer/director of said movie used the above cited text as 'inspiration'....
Otherwise, canny users will just log in as 'sombeody else' so they can take the heat.
God the Creator, Man the Assembler/Implementer:
Challenge: Have a man really create something tangible with the five senses (seeing, hearing, touching, tasting, smelling) from absolutely nothing at all.
I say it can't be done--Man is, in this case, a product of his environment. Everything he conceives and creates in this environment is a measurable byproduct of his existince and interaction in his environment and the accumulated knowledge he gained in said environment. This is accomplished in incremental steps combining the materials and knownledge at hand in an effort to produce a desired result and gain additional knowledge.
For example, a 'basic' H-bomb is a three-stage weapon of mass destruction. It is a small conventional (non-nuclear) explosive charge triggering a much larger fission explosion (A-bomb), which in turn triggers the massive fusion explosion (H-bomb) at the end...all happening well within one second!
The only thing man can create 'out of nothing' (albeit with prior environmental influences) are ideas.
You cannot directly see, hear, touch, taste, or smell an idea conceived by another person unless said idea is implemented using the materials at hand--even other people.
Since man is a product of his environment, what caused the existence of his environment in the first place?
If you say 'The Big Bang', then what caused 'The Big Bang'?
Again, according to Occam's Razor, you are left with two choices:
1) A statement of doubt: I don't know.
2) A statement of faith: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
I 'rewrote' it in M$ VC++ to see what the program does....
double w, k;
int i, z;
CString jnk;
w = 34.0;
k = 3.1415 / 180.0;
while (1)
{
for (i=0; i = 360; i += 5)
{
z = (40.0 + (sin ((double)i * k) * w));
jnk = "";
while (z)
{
jnk += " ";
z--;
}
jnk += "BRAVO!";
printf("%s\n",jnk);
Sleep(1);
}
}
Nice little trigonometry demo!
PS: The lameness filter didn't like the 'original code' -- 'too much whitespace'....
Use Lynx or OffByOne - problem solved.
Lynx is a text-only web browser.
Off By One is a script-free web browser.
Both browsers are immune to popups--hence no need for a popup blocker for the two leading browsers or 'New Online Ad Technology To Bypass Popup Blockers'.
I'm thinking of a handfull of them now....
Ridley Scott's Apple '1984' commercial....
Wendy's 'Where's the Beef?' campaign with (the late) Clara Peller....
That Coca Cola commercial with football player Joe Green and the kid....
The Cheer detergent commercial series with the silent, glasses wearing guy and the classical music background soundtrack....
All four were ads but somehow the 'sales pitch' got lost in the 'artistry' of the commercial.
I don't mind watching commercials like these because they are entertaining most of all.
Nowadays, that aspect is lost on most commercials aired today. It's all about marketing--setting up a favorable environment to persuasively showcase the product in: desparate and phony as a three dollar bill.
And don't get me started about 'ad creep' and 'product placement'.
Well now, if the marketers entertain first and market second, more people may watch their commercials instead of skipping over them with their VCRs and PVRs....
Commercials that are not entertaining (or at least informative) are percieved as a waste of time and treated as such. The industry's only other alternative would be to ban the existence of 'commercial skip' and 'fast forward' buttons on VCRs and PVRs manufactured in the future....
Read about it here.
Seriously....
Short of scrapping SMTP with a replacement, this is the only effective way to quash spam....By making it effectively impossible to spam.
All other SMTP-level solutions I've seen introduce more overhead into an already spam-ridden communications medium....
Tell that to this guy. He says he's been to both places!
In the end, if the parent is true, morality, law, and order IS POINTLESS and one could do '...whatever they want to whomever they want whenever they want.'
Science has yet to create a truly sentient computer such as HAL 9000
Also, science has yet to prove 'The Big Bang' is the correct explanation for 'all that is that is in existence'.
The only other credible explanation according to Occam's Razor is:...
The essential problem is that email is a push technology by necessity. A successful antispam technology protects the entry point to the system, but protecting the entry point is a Hard Problem.
I'm working on this. Stay tuned....
Read the post here.
If you were using my program CF13, all your spam would have been funneled into two files for ease of perusal and deletion and all spam attachments (which are likely virus laden) would have been rendered 'harmless' and clearly labeled making it easy to delete them.
I have also programmed a 'spamblaster' version of CF13 to delete spam at the server level whenever possible but that would inevitably lead to a 'false positive' and a non-spam email being deleted as a result. It's advantage is that 'spams are counted but not logged and stored'. Since you are drowning in spam, my program could possibly help you.
On a related note, there is the work of http://www.rubberhose.org/
More information on 'rubber hose cryptanalysis' of various forms
http://www.rubberhose.org/current/src/doc/sergien
http://www.rubberhose.org/current/src/doc/beating
In a nutshell, if the 'rubber hose squad' knows (or just doesn't care--they are sadists) you have juicy confidential data, they WILL continue to torture you until you give the data up or you are dead ('I don't recall' be damned). Even if you give the juicy data up, they'd likely kill you anyway (no loose ends).
If anybody can refute my conclusions above, feel free to do so. In closing, if you 'traffic' in life-or-death secret information, you must be prepared to die to keep said information secret from the (ruthless, first class, highly intelligent) 'rubber hose squad'.
A better fix would be to mark all astroturf submissions "denied".
Then Slashdot would have to shut down on principle....
astroturf/free ad: 100GB, 9.5mm thick HD from Toshiba
astroturf/free ad: VIA Announces Lead-Free Motherboard
astroturf/free ad: Delorean Time Machine Replica Up For Auction
astroturf/free ad: DSPAM v2.10 Released
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Entertainment news: Jack Valenti retires (& expensive 9-figure movies) Thursday March 25, @12:10PM Rejected
astroturf/free ad: A bold, new approach to fighting spam.... Thursday March 11, @11:51PM Rejected
Toshiba got free advertising on Slashdot.
VIA got free advertising on Slashdot.
The person selling the BTTF Delorean Time Machine Replica got free advertising on Slashdot.
The DSPAM creator(s) got free advertising on Slashdot.
Jack Valenti retires!
Sounded like news to me so I pass the URL on to Slashdot.
Rejected.
Hey everybody, I wrote 'the mother of all email spam filters' after months of research, thought, and programming.
I pass the URL on to Slashdot so others can know about it.
Rejected.
It would appear Slashdot's editorial policy is inconsistent....
What does it take to get a story on Slashdot?
I submitted a genuine, non-astroturf story about outgoing MPAA president Jack Valenti and expensive Hollywood movies and got rejected. Can't be a bandwith issue--surely Slashdot cannot slashdot the BBC's website, can they? So then why was this story rejected after I (haphazardly) summarized it (along with some parting thoughts) rather than simply give them a sentence or two along with the URL?
My retail software product is, at face value no different from the other items for sale mentioned above. Why the apparent bias that appears to favor big companies or 'big ticket items' offered for sale by private citizens?
Then there's DSPAM and CF13, two email spam filters.
One is open source.
The other is closed source but open algorithm. There is enough information available at the CF13 homepage for a knowledgeable programmer to write their own version of CF13 if they wanted to. In fact, I took GREAT PAINS to make sure the algorithms used by CF13 wouldn't wind up patented and out of play for the next twenty years!
Doesn't that sound like something newsworthy?
Does Slashdot's editorial policy boil down to:
If there is money involved, size matters. If not, it has to be free and open source.
If it does, it should be changed for the better to something more impartial than what is in place now....
Read the post here.
If you were using my program CF13, all your spam would have been funneled into two files for ease of perusal and deletion and all spam attachments (which are likely virus laden) would have been rendered 'harmless' and clearly labeled making it easy to delete them.
I could have programmed CF13 to delete spam at the server level whenever possible but that would inevitably lead to a 'false positive' and a non-spam email being deleted as a result.
If you'd like to use a 'spamblaster' version of CF13 (with the risk of real email deleted as a 'false positive') contact me here.
Some expensive Ampex analog tape from the mid 70's was notoriously bad. After a few years the oxide would just start falling off.
.... :(
The master tapes to the music soundtrack to TRON almost devolved into 'Pure Tree Sap'. Thankfully, Wendy Carlos was able to rescue it for its (legitimate) CD release--of which I own a copy.
Oh dear, it looks like it's out of print (after TWO years!?!?) so I didn't bother with an Amazon link to it--3rd parties are offering it for sale there at the time of writing this post for $28.50 to $59.99