when it comes to security, allow slashdot users show just how dumb and naive they are. silly hackers, slashdot is for dumb linux users. It takes a retarded german site, whose authors hang on efnet 24 hours a day, to tell u this? they prob heard about it in fucking #darknet.
how do i delete my account? oh yea you cannt prob. Hence we 700,000 accounts here and 75% of the people never came back. fuck this place.
really now, unless u found a bug in linux in the last year or two why not shut your pie hole? You have no opinion that counts. You cannot write exploit code, you borrow it.
Oh yea well i admin this and that. So fucking what? You dont hack. plain and simple. you dont know how except for what others publish.
Slashdot, meaning 99% of you, shut the fuck up.
security is so meaningless now days. when people like you spout such nonsense about it.
Well since it is a wing, i think that the women will have to sit in the middle. I never saw the comic, but i bet the "wing" has only one engine which the character sits on more or less. Bigger engine, more heat. How will someone tolerate that much heat, insulation? But that gets one into a vicious cycle of adding more weight, you need a even bigger engine than before.
It seems very comic like to have such a device tailored made for the person who is going to use it, ala james bond and ? Q ?
bullshit. a web browser and a mail client are pretty much the same everywhere.
> 3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
Um, last i checked all these GUI's we use run on pretty much every *nix.
> 4. There is no support available for it.
I am on the FreeBSD questions mailing list. You should see some of the dumbest questions ever asked get answered by some of the most well respected people in the org. Greg "groggy" Lehey comes to mind.
> 5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes.
retarded... does not make sense.
> 6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
retarded... does not make sense.
> 7. You have to compile everything and know C.
cd/usr/ports/www/apache13; make install
> 8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
We dont care about your lame usb 30 dollar device. Although my rio mp3 player, the freebsd software allows me to upload/download from it. unlike the windows software i got that was crippled.
i would like to thank you for making that the first post. I wonder why the admins of slashdot do not think like you do. Your logic seems so obvious to anyone who read the red laptop article.
On the flip side, when one becomes educated enough about tech/security/programming/etc 95% of ALL articles sound lame/badly written/etc.
Slashdot should just post a link to the technical link/pdf/thesis paper/etc and just ignore these articles tailored for the people who are not specialists in the above fields.
maybe the main page also needs moderation because this one would have been -1 troll.
Geez, that article was written very poorly. This was the link at the bottom of the article giving much more technical detail.
I will admit, on my first read, i did not quite understand it. Hopefully after reading some informative posts it will clear it up.
and while we are discussing spam, i would like to mention spamhaus.org is a very shoddy blacklist. Their policies are anti business. I would recommend not using them anymore.
> Next step: a Pepsi/iTMS winning number generator!
I know this is meant as a joke but some do not take it like that. I am tired of people saying hackers/crackers are bad. Then along comes a slashdot admin who makes a sly joke about hacking/cracking a system.
You cannot have it both ways! Do not make jokes about cracking to sound cool and savy. I consider it in bad taste.
And oh yea, remember the ebay post about auctioning phone numbers, that got twisted into auctioning slashdot uids? well, i think it would be savy and cool to code up a brute force tool to crack those same uids. for free. yea sounds cool eh?!?
how does it feel when someone makes a joke about cracking your fucking system? uid 69 will soon be mine after i crack the system!
> Within 5 years, I predict that most machines will use RAM memory for all system storage. A backup power system will be required, but system speeds will go through the roof due to faster data access times.
Take it a step further. Why should you waste your electricity and ram on just "storing"? Store it on your isps shell account which contains a 5gig ram drive for you. Of course the shell is free with your 20 dollar a month fiber drop;)
Take it another step. Why would the isp want to store multiple copies of the latest "kazza". If they are trusted enough let users run it from the community ram drive over the network. All updates are done at one place, all bug fixes, and all huge hacks;)
I can read your email but i dont. Why wouldn't you trust us to store a few binaries for everyone to use? hm.
> For example if you have a Apache webserver and it gets comprimised, a hacker can't use Apache's security level to give him elevated permissions to control another part of the OS. In a regular OS you have to allow the Apache some root control over the computer to have it work properly and a hacker can use this to violate your computer.
If one hacks apache remotely the permits you will gain is uid nobody. I am not quite sure how you leaped to uid 0 access from that alone. No one i knows run apache as root except irix admins.:P
> In SELinux even if a hacker gained root access their is a limited amount of damage he can do, depending on how you set it up.
Reminds me of FreeBSD jails I have been using. FreeBSD's killer app, one of many.
> You could if you wanted to use this to set up roles for users, like a apache admin or a sendmail admin, or a filesystem admin or a/dev/ file admin.
Last time i checked in the/etc/passwd file, we have users such as bin, operator, smmsp, man, etc... Some of them are used, some have gone the way of a green pasture.. but just because they are out of style with some people does not mean they never existed. I know you get fine grained controls from SEL, but one can do a lot without it.
> SeLinux is brought to us by our freinds and future government overloads: the NSA.
**** them and use trustedbsd. their mascot is cooler anyways. http://www.trustedbsd.org/beastie.html
google showed this link for seach "solaris source". From this link it reads:
The Solaris 8 Foundation Source Program has concluded. Source code for the Solaris Operating System is available for qualified educational institutions and partners; please contact your Sun sales team for details. Maybe this info is old...
> 2. You can download Solaris for free.
I just tried, it seemed you were right, they made me jump through hoops. I ended up at a page that appeared to allow me to download solaris, but the link was not a link and they wanted me to register. could have told me that at the start... i am too lazy to do it, i will assume you are right.
> 3. Solaris runs on good hardware which is a good thing if you are trying to get serious work done. (Not everyone working with *nix is building web servers, internet hosting, or using samba to replace a few Windows PCs.) If you are only trying to recycle crap hardware, any OS will do. FreeDOS or DR DOS will recycle hardware that Linux is too fat to run on.
You make it sound like ibm,hp,compaq did not make high end x86 servers. Himilaya non stop servers come to mind. Heck even proliants are nice.
> 4. BSD and Linux lack the thousands of mature, commerical applications Solaris has, but they are catching up.
I agree.
> 5. Solaris is not only stable, it is one of the best. Linux is still in catch up mode in terms of standards and features. Linux still has a tendency to cheat, or only partially implement a standard. It is getting better. Standards are a good thing if you are trying to get equipment from multiple vendors to work together.
FreeBSD is amazingly stable. Uptimes of a year are taken for granted. I dont know enough to comment on the rest of your statement.
> 6. Sun's support has been plenty good for the companies I've worked for, and PCs won't be getting the work done that we do anytime soon. Maybe if the Opterons work out well we could use them in a couple of years.
Support? I dont need no stinkin support. You telling me your head admins cannot troubleshoot hardware? You dont have a backup system ready so a hardware failure just is an inconvienence? Software is a whole different issue.
> 7. A standard Sun keyboard has the control key where it should be....
> 8. Documentation. Solaris has it. The documentation is good, and correct. Linux, ha.
I agree. Sun probably employs a crap load of technical writers. Its a good thing. I often find answers to problems from sun docs...
> 9. Solaris can have a System V Unix personality, a BSD personality, a GNU personality, or traditional Sun personality, depending upon your path.
I guess.
> 10. Linux pretty much provides a subset of what Solaris can do.
I wont argue that. Solaris is time tested and powerful.
> If you care at all about programmer's jobs, you would support closed-source Unix.
This does not seem very logical. It almost seems like you are "scared" of OSS. You, as a programmer can now harness all this free software to create some amazing products. With skill you can add value and sell it. Imagine working from scratch on everything, reinventing the wheel at every step, buggy beta code OR you can build on a well written, free, BSD licensed piece of software AND not share your source while making money. You can be even more revolutionary and picking GPL licensed software and sharing your value added source with everyone while making money (support + modest price of software).
I am more a customer, and I cant imagine not having source to compile from now days. I am way to used to it, it is assumed.
> i always wondered why nobody ever writes articles that include solaris.
1. not open source 2. costs money 3. runs on overpriced hardware 4. bsd and linux can do everything it can cept maybe scale to extremes 5. solaris is not the only stable OS anymore 6. way too many people were burned by sun back in the day and said enough is enough, they never went back
Slashdot Mirror
when it comes to security, allow slashdot users show just how dumb and naive they are. silly hackers, slashdot is for dumb linux users. It takes a retarded german site, whose authors hang on efnet 24 hours a day, to tell u this? they prob heard about it in fucking #darknet.
how do i delete my account? oh yea you cannt prob. Hence we 700,000 accounts here and 75% of the people never came back. fuck this place.
really now, unless u found a bug in linux in the last year or two why not shut your pie hole? You have no opinion that counts. You cannot write exploit code, you borrow it.
Oh yea well i admin this and that. So fucking what? You dont hack. plain and simple. you dont know how except for what others publish.
Slashdot, meaning 99% of you, shut the fuck up.
security is so meaningless now days. when people like you spout such nonsense about it.
i was bored douche bag. like i care what fucking slashdot users think.
Well since it is a wing, i think that the women will have to sit in the middle. I never saw the comic, but i bet the "wing" has only one engine which the character sits on more or less. Bigger engine, more heat. How will someone tolerate that much heat, insulation? But that gets one into a vicious cycle of adding more weight, you need a even bigger engine than before.
It seems very comic like to have such a device tailored made for the person who is going to use it, ala james bond and ? Q ?
that is about it... l8r
> 1. You can not play games on it.
/usr/ports/games
/usr/ports/www/apache13; make install
cd
> 2. It cannot be used by my grandma.
bullshit. a web browser and a mail client are pretty much the same everywhere.
> 3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
Um, last i checked all these GUI's we use run on pretty much every *nix.
> 4. There is no support available for it.
I am on the FreeBSD questions mailing list. You should see some of the dumbest questions ever asked get answered by some of the most well respected people in the org. Greg "groggy" Lehey comes to mind.
> 5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes.
retarded... does not make sense.
> 6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
retarded... does not make sense.
> 7. You have to compile everything and know C.
cd
> 8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
We dont care about your lame usb 30 dollar device. Although my rio mp3 player, the freebsd software allows me to upload/download from it. unlike the windows software i got that was crippled.
> 9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux.
Not for inhouse use.
> 10.It is dying.
u r teh ghey
it is actually just 3 fingers.
pi is actually 3!
well hillbilly, when your tractor and combine can sync up using bluetooth you will be all over it like a confederate flag.
darkhelmet,
i would like to thank you for making that the first post. I wonder why the admins of slashdot do not think like you do. Your logic seems so obvious to anyone who read the red laptop article.
On the flip side, when one becomes educated enough about tech/security/programming/etc 95% of ALL articles sound lame/badly written/etc.
Slashdot should just post a link to the technical link/pdf/thesis paper/etc and just ignore these articles tailored for the people who are not specialists in the above fields.
maybe the main page also needs moderation because this one would have been -1 troll.
how am i supposed to send hate email to the email address listed in that letter if you change it. I was hoping to send a few doozies.
Je pense que le nouveau nom doit etre linux suce.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0402143
Geez, that article was written very poorly.
This was the link at the bottom of the article
giving much more technical detail.
I will admit, on my first read, i did not quite understand it. Hopefully after reading some informative posts it will clear it up.
and while we are discussing spam, i would like to mention spamhaus.org is a very shoddy blacklist. Their policies are anti business. I would recommend not using them anymore.
> Next step: a Pepsi/iTMS winning number generator!
I know this is meant as a joke but some do not take it like that. I am tired of people saying hackers/crackers are bad. Then along comes a slashdot admin who makes a sly joke about hacking/cracking a system.
You cannot have it both ways! Do not make jokes about cracking to sound cool and savy. I consider it in bad taste.
And oh yea, remember the ebay post about auctioning phone numbers, that got twisted into auctioning slashdot uids? well, i think it would be savy and cool to code up a brute force tool to crack those same uids. for free. yea sounds cool eh?!?
how does it feel when someone makes a joke about cracking your fucking system? uid 69 will soon be mine after i crack the system!
my god that sounds retarded.
> Within 5 years, I predict that most machines will use RAM memory for all system storage. A backup power system will be required, but system speeds will go through the roof due to faster data access times.
;)
;)
Take it a step further. Why should you waste your electricity and ram on just "storing"? Store it on your isps shell account which contains a 5gig ram drive for you. Of course the shell is free with your 20 dollar a month fiber drop
Take it another step. Why would the isp want to store multiple copies of the latest "kazza". If they are trusted enough let users run it from the community ram drive over the network. All updates are done at one place, all bug fixes, and all huge hacks
I can read your email but i dont. Why wouldn't you trust us to store a few binaries for everyone to use? hm.
please try windowmaker. i use it on freebsd and it runs like a dream.
:/
here is some output from top so you can see what i mean.
PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND
153 matt 2 0 38140K 33612K poll 75:47 3.81% 3.81% opera
2829 matt 2 0 12532K 6308K poll 4:45 2.88% 2.88% mplayer
127 matt 2 0 70952K 68724K select 47:57 2.54% 2.54% XFree86
133 matt 2 0 4176K 2584K select 38:52 1.03% 1.03% xterm
2937 matt 28 0 1900K 1024K RUN 0:00 0.80% 0.44% top
132 matt 2 0 4840K 2780K select 3:15 0.00% 0.00% wmaker
and the only reason opera is a hog is because it loaded this slashdot page about intel chips
tron
i used freebsd 4.9, windowmaker, and opera. when i type f12 it brings up the windowmaker menu.
the windowmaker menu normally comes up when i right click on the desktop.
unsure why it did not work for me in opera as a normal shortcut. oh well.
am i the only one who noticed burberry's site requires IE? fuck those douche bags and their snooty shit.
It always seems the one who brags will never do what he says.
nerdy fucker you say? you mean all of slashdot?
you remind me of childish people i went to high school with. Your joke especially. I dont understand why you got modded funny for play ground humor.
thank you
and these pics are amazing.
Only the BBC site had pictures. And a small one at that, that did not expand in opera.. with my settings.
Anyone have some really nice new picture links they are talking about?
I can think of one right now.
navini.com has really nice wireless
euqipment. Their base station requires
either a sun box or a windows box.
what one do you think I will choose?
> For example if you have a Apache webserver and it gets comprimised, a hacker can't use Apache's security level to give him elevated permissions to control another part of the OS. In a regular OS you have to allow the Apache some root control over the computer to have it work properly and a hacker can use this to violate your computer.
:P
/dev/ file admin.
/etc/passwd file, we have users such as bin, operator, smmsp, man, etc... Some of them are used, some have gone the way of a green pasture.. but just because they are out of style with some people does not mean they never existed. I know you get fine grained controls from SEL, but one can do a lot without it.
If one hacks apache remotely the permits you will gain is uid nobody. I am not quite sure how you leaped to uid 0 access from that alone. No one i knows run apache as root except irix admins.
> In SELinux even if a hacker gained root access their is a limited amount of damage he can do, depending on how you set it up.
Reminds me of FreeBSD jails I have been using. FreeBSD's killer app, one of many.
> You could if you wanted to use this to set up roles for users, like a apache admin or a sendmail admin, or a filesystem admin or a
Last time i checked in the
> SeLinux is brought to us by our freinds and future government overloads: the NSA.
**** them and use trustedbsd. their mascot is cooler anyways.
http://www.trustedbsd.org/beastie.html
> 1. You can get the source to Solaris.
...
google showed this link for seach "solaris source". From this link it reads:
The Solaris 8 Foundation Source Program has concluded. Source code for the Solaris Operating System is available for qualified educational institutions and partners; please contact your Sun sales team for details. Maybe this info is old...
> 2. You can download Solaris for free.
I just tried, it seemed you were right, they made me jump through hoops. I ended up at a page that appeared to allow me to download solaris, but the link was not a link and they wanted me to register. could have told me that at the start... i am too lazy to do it, i will assume you are right.
> 3. Solaris runs on good hardware which is a good thing if you are trying to get serious work done. (Not everyone working with *nix is building web servers, internet hosting, or using samba to replace a few Windows PCs.) If you are only trying to recycle crap hardware, any OS will do. FreeDOS or DR DOS will recycle hardware that Linux is too fat to run on.
You make it sound like ibm,hp,compaq did not make high end x86 servers. Himilaya non stop servers come to mind. Heck even proliants are nice.
> 4. BSD and Linux lack the thousands of mature, commerical applications Solaris has, but they are catching up.
I agree.
> 5. Solaris is not only stable, it is one of the best. Linux is still in catch up mode in terms of standards and features. Linux still has a tendency to cheat, or only partially implement a standard. It is getting better. Standards are a good thing if you are trying to get equipment from multiple vendors to work together.
FreeBSD is amazingly stable. Uptimes of a year are taken for granted. I dont know enough to comment on the rest of your statement.
> 6. Sun's support has been plenty good for the companies I've worked for, and PCs won't be getting the work done that we do anytime soon. Maybe if the Opterons work out well we could use them in a couple of years.
Support? I dont need no stinkin support. You telling me your head admins cannot troubleshoot hardware?
You dont have a backup system ready so a hardware failure just is an inconvienence? Software is a whole different issue.
> 7. A standard Sun keyboard has the control key where it should be.
> 8. Documentation. Solaris has it. The documentation is good, and correct. Linux, ha.
I agree. Sun probably employs a crap load of technical writers. Its a good thing. I often find answers to problems from sun docs...
> 9. Solaris can have a System V Unix personality, a BSD personality, a GNU personality, or traditional Sun personality, depending upon your path.
I guess.
> 10. Linux pretty much provides a subset of what Solaris can do.
I wont argue that. Solaris is time tested and powerful.
I will bite.
> If you care at all about programmer's jobs, you would support closed-source Unix.
This does not seem very logical. It almost seems like you are "scared" of OSS. You, as a programmer can now harness all this free software to create some amazing products. With skill you can add value and sell it. Imagine working from scratch on everything, reinventing the wheel at every step, buggy beta code OR you can build on a well written, free, BSD licensed piece of software AND not share your source while making money. You can be even more revolutionary and picking GPL licensed software and sharing your value added source with everyone while making money (support + modest price of software).
I am more a customer, and I cant imagine not having source to compile from now days. I am way to used to it, it is assumed.
> i always wondered why nobody ever writes articles that include solaris.
1. not open source
2. costs money
3. runs on overpriced hardware
4. bsd and linux can do everything it can cept maybe scale to extremes
5. solaris is not the only stable OS anymore
6. way too many people were burned by sun back in the day and said enough is enough, they never went back