I feel this becoming a flame war, but:
When There becomes a difference between "install as Administrator" and logging in as administrator, I say that there's nothing like "su" for windows. And there is a difference. Yes you can run applications as another user, but it isn't as uncomplicated as a super-user term.
on the point of "a few lazy developers," Blizzard, Epic, Sierra, and EA are the game developers, perhaps there's only a few of them, but these are the ones I have problems with.
I haven't read all of the reply's to you post, but using redhat on somthing like that, well, that's just a bad idea. Use debian, or slackware and you'll get better results. I don't think I've ever seen a major distro being used on embedded linux applications. Red hat, and frankly, every other desktop distro has too much bloatware to do such a limited installation. FYI
Your problem Seems to be that you're using Fedora Core, never have gotten that to work reliably at all. Hav had catascrophic failures, loss of filesystem, authentication system failed, system hust. . I dunno ..died. Don't like linux problems, bugs switch to debian, slaskware, try Mandrake, or gentoo. Those are good distributions. The major, system wide problems caused by non-interoperability could be fixed if there were a OS-wide consortium of accepted standards. The reason this doesn't exist is because it would remove choice from the operating system, it's primary strength. Choice is the free market economy based on quality. although encouraging developers to write inter-operable software would definitely be a positive thing in my eyes.
btw: Kudzu should be replaced with hotplug asp.
also: when windows XP just "works" I'll switch back... My initial installation routine of Windows XP includes, but is not limited to: manually creating a non-administrative user, removing most of the active services, instaling sygate personal firewall, installing panda-softs anti-virus software, disabling sytem resore, patching, service-packing, removing animation and windoing special affects, installing 3rd party graphics drivers, troubleshoot wifi (unless it's it's intel, cisco, major company), install various other cracks and patches that allow me to uninstall windows somponents like msn explorer and msn messenger, just to name a few. ther's quite a bit more, but my fingers are tired. I do have to do most of these things with red-hat, but then, I use gentoo linux which allows me to select these thiings at install time. Also take into acocunt that after you configured your wifi, it thereafter worked. Also, it's doubtful that you installed sonn after that, which is why it's not really a big deal to invest a day into installing a source-based distribution, it'll last long enough to make the install worthwhile. Don't know how long it will take me to get used to not reinstalling before a LAN Party, I just don't know.
</rant></plug type='shameless" url="gentoo.org">
that said, the linux desktop is not for everyone, but it's far closer that you seem to have experienced.
This information is correct, but impossible to do with anything less than a power user. With windows XP, You can't install games as a user, and if you install them as superuser then you have to manually tweak permissions to allow users access to them. It's a lose-lose. In l,inux, I can open my term and "su -" but in windows I can't do that at all, I'm just hosed when I try. I support a user who has stopped using administrator privaledges, but He's still gotten hijacked. The solution needs to be securer software.
Definitely. Samba's good, and important, but it has some serious issues. I can't use the samba client reliably on a linux box at all, and as such can't set up platform-independent log-in for myself. I can't really store my user profile on the server either. If the server goes down, all the linux clients will follow it, regardless of what sort of OS the CIFS server is running on.
How do we help the samba team fix this??
BSOD's are nowhere near 4 years out of date.
-- last time I booted into windows (XP pro) I got one.
I don't really think that 640k comments can qualify as fud.
-- I'd say that's more of a comentary on paradigms.
Anybody who says windows doesn't break compatibility has never read the documentation for samba, or the book "Implementing CIFS", and have never heard of embrace and extend, AKA copy and break.
I'm not saying that linux is completely without FUD -- ceartainly slashdot is rife with misinformed zealots, but telling the truth isn't FUD, it's a dialgue about problems with the system and a way to market.
While I love Apache and trust apache as mutch as the next slashbot, I would like to point out that appache was also one of the first webservers.
Originally written as a patch to the http deamon for unix/bsd. They cam out riding on the pigtails of an existing market leader. Microsofts IIS hasn't realy ever taken the lead there, nor will they, untill they shore up the product and secure it better. They'll also have to find a licensing scheme that can compete with Apache's open source license.
Better product yes. Is that the reason for market dominance? yes, but only becuase it always has been.
According to this theory, Microsoft would make the best software in the world, and McDonalds would make the Best food. Sometimes the better product wins. Sometimes the better marketing wins, some people are given market share and leverage it to their own advantage, others have to build a far-surpassing product in a new market.
Reminds me of the way I see minorities excelling in business. They have to do the same job twice as well, for the same pay. It's not right, and it's not fair, but it ceartainly makes for overall better products and economy if the improvements required to get ahead drive the whole market.
Oh, it's over. don't believe me read Groklaw Daily. SCO has told the courts too many contradictory things to prove any of them. They'll lose to IBM first, then Novell, then Redhat, then autozone, then Chrystler. If they sue anybody else they'll really be fscked. They probably won't exist as a company after Novell.
(though technically you're right, the cases haven't been settled, dropped, or judged yet)
You're right! Absolutely, but if it has value to the market, and Linux doesn't have it, linux loses market. Just becuase every app you've seen doesn't work, doesn't mean that miguel and CO can't do it better. If anything, look at Samba: Crappy MS stolen Tech that barely works -> Robust Server system that plays of the strengths of a very weak protocol and allows customizeability and tuning. COnsider more than what you've seen, think of what can be. If people use a bad tool, that's bad everywhere, they'll come to you conclusion, If they don't that's somewhere where we've lost. IMHO.
1. Read this A week Ago, 2. Microsoft has an effective monopoly becuase of "embrace and extend." Ximian, is doing the same thing, Props to them! BY supporting their software we may be able to bring vendors to linux. I can imagine that he would be very cynical about MS since he has to deal with their bs software daily.
I have really missed being able to fully make use of my Desktop space. I really hope that gnome adds the ability to use any application as the desktop. I really am not pleased with Nautillus and I would mutch prefer to run ximian's evolution as My desktop or render a PHP-based web interface there so that I can manage my life from my desktop. Being able to take care of my finances, to-do list, and scedule, map my news and email would be great, but as far as I know there is no construct for doing so. If I'm wrong, please point me to HOW-TO's on how to replace the desktop host application.
Also, is there a way to run an application as the default desktop, like specifying a diffferent chell in windows, this would be optimal for Linux-POS *solutions*
No Offense to the nice People at WIne who are doing an excellent job making the closed source run on OSS, But isn't there an easier way?
Every program purchased has top be compiled, right? There are only so many compilers/IDE's for Windows. Wouldn't it be easier, more feasible, to build cross-compiler mudules for the major IDE's (e.g. Visual Studio.NET)? I mean, If Adobe, when compiling Illustrator, could just select a different option in their IDE (or whatever) to compile for linux and they could increade their market share 5-10%, using a free add-in,. . . Why wouldn't they do that?
In addition, the documentation already exisits. Every language is documented. Library's are defined. Simply rewriting the library's so the calls become linux/SDL/GTK/QT calls, makes this simply a matter of changing the working directory. Make gcc/mono integrate into proprietary compilers; model Win32Languages and libraries and make gcc/mono able to compile applications written in other compilers.
IANADeveloper (I do mostly web deployment solutions) so I don't know what IDE's there are. As a result I obviously don't know what sort of logistics would be involved. Assuming it were possible, though, apps could be ported automatically, and OSS could run the CSS win32 can (except M$ products; are you kidding me) to run _native_ anyway. It could even be done optimized per platform. Ship it with a _quality_ installer packager for win32 and Linux, and Smaller Developers will eat it up. Good installers are few and far between and making one available would allow all kinds of increades in compatible technology.
At any rate, would love to read your comments
What's interesting to note about their Web interface is that it drags i you use it without their software and it flies inside thier software:
Obviously their software is *optimized* and *faster* than their competitors.
The IMAP connect Thier client Uses tends to suck up ~1/2 of the bandwidth (weel that and all the other autonomous client-server chatter )
No, I ahve a friend that's supported thier "product for years" and there's specific thing built into AOL's Custom TCP/IP / PPP protocol stack that differ from the standard protocol versions, and the network drivers that AOL installs so it can do this also don't work with any of the standard TCP clients, so AOL has to negotiate the connection via their software. Also, AOL uses it's own modem drivers, which allows them to modify the actual handshake.
Besides, the point of AOL is the software.
Any Hacker that's been unfortuneate enough to get stuck using free trials of AOL has know that AOL was accessable by an off-branded-sort of IMAP for years, at least 8 years in fact. The fact that they're telling people this, is Good I suppose, but You can connect via Oulook, If you want, but I'm not sure why this is really valueable to anyone, since IMAP isn't the easiest thing to setup, and if someone is using AOL. . ..
As Far as I know, I have possitive Carma, mod me down if you must
hopefully this ins't redundant.. .
recently have had to do a lot of support on my friend's windows box to get some games running. I had originally set him up with a non-admin user. He is in his DMZ on his broadband and had his brwser hijacked major-big-time a while back, but now when he installs a game, I have to go in and change all kind of permissions so that he can play it.
This is one of the biggest useability based threats to winXP; it's a PITA!!!!
He's not a geek, he work construction, but he's willing to log in if I say it's more secure. He doesn't like that I have to help him fix this suff every time he installs warcraft III, etc.
Under no circumstances sniff passwords, let alone send e-mails. As if Getting jailed for hacking weren't bad enough, you'll be imediately reported as hackers by the people you e-mail.
Once, I pulled all the AIM screen names out of an extensive forward and put them into my Buddy list, I statered to IM them and tell them that thier e-mail addresses were being distributed, and aspects of their privacy violated, and I was called names, cursed at, reported to AOL TOS (which doesn't do anything), and called a criminal. People whined about being harassed, but boy could I make a lot of money advertising Using that info. . ..hmm
It all goes back to this: anytime you make something illegal, then only outlaws can do it, form compiling programs to owning a gun
the patriot act and american policy seem to be making being a white hat illegal. They welcome folly by olny allowing black hats who are really dangerous to continue their activities (for lack of a better word)
Maybe we need to start a slashdot letter writing campaign???
Please note that this example of a hacking excersize was santioned, and the school knew about it. Also, IANAL but I don't think this is covered under FERPA, so there's not as much rick to the admins. Moreover, these admins appear to be open to criticism vs. those at a college.
think about it.
Slashdot Mirror
when will we have the option to moderate submissions. This one should get a -1 troll.
But seriously! why?
Yes, I know this isn't a poll, but I do think the whole concept is messed up. I use linux full time and I am completely unable to get itunes at all.
Why does apple support kde when they write safari, but totally leave linux out of the loop on their online store?
Woud this even be readable by std DVD rom drives?
I feel this becoming a flame war, but: When There becomes a difference between "install as Administrator" and logging in as administrator, I say that there's nothing like "su" for windows. And there is a difference. Yes you can run applications as another user, but it isn't as uncomplicated as a super-user term. on the point of "a few lazy developers," Blizzard, Epic, Sierra, and EA are the game developers, perhaps there's only a few of them, but these are the ones I have problems with.
I haven't read all of the reply's to you post, but using redhat on somthing like that, well, that's just a bad idea. Use debian, or slackware and you'll get better results. I don't think I've ever seen a major distro being used on embedded linux applications. Red hat, and frankly, every other desktop distro has too much bloatware to do such a limited installation. FYI
Your problem Seems to be that you're using Fedora Core, never have gotten that to work reliably at all. Hav had catascrophic failures, loss of filesystem, authentication system failed, system hust. . I dunno . .died. Don't like linux problems, bugs switch to debian, slaskware, try Mandrake, or gentoo. Those are good distributions. The major, system wide problems caused by non-interoperability could be fixed if there were a OS-wide consortium of accepted standards. The reason this doesn't exist is because it would remove choice from the operating system, it's primary strength. Choice is the free market economy based on quality. although encouraging developers to write inter-operable software would definitely be a positive thing in my eyes.
btw: Kudzu should be replaced with hotplug asp.
also: when windows XP just "works" I'll switch back... My initial installation routine of Windows XP includes, but is not limited to: manually creating a non-administrative user, removing most of the active services, instaling sygate personal firewall, installing panda-softs anti-virus software, disabling sytem resore, patching, service-packing, removing animation and windoing special affects, installing 3rd party graphics drivers, troubleshoot wifi (unless it's it's intel, cisco, major company), install various other cracks and patches that allow me to uninstall windows somponents like msn explorer and msn messenger, just to name a few. ther's quite a bit more, but my fingers are tired. I do have to do most of these things with red-hat, but then, I use gentoo linux which allows me to select these thiings at install time. Also take into acocunt that after you configured your wifi, it thereafter worked. Also, it's doubtful that you installed sonn after that, which is why it's not really a big deal to invest a day into installing a source-based distribution, it'll last long enough to make the install worthwhile. Don't know how long it will take me to get used to not reinstalling before a LAN Party, I just don't know. </rant></plug type='shameless" url="gentoo.org"> that said, the linux desktop is not for everyone, but it's far closer that you seem to have experienced.
This information is correct, but impossible to do with anything less than a power user. With windows XP, You can't install games as a user, and if you install them as superuser then you have to manually tweak permissions to allow users access to them. It's a lose-lose. In l,inux, I can open my term and "su -" but in windows I can't do that at all, I'm just hosed when I try. I support a user who has stopped using administrator privaledges, but He's still gotten hijacked. The solution needs to be securer software.
Definitely. Samba's good, and important, but it has some serious issues. I can't use the samba client reliably on a linux box at all, and as such can't set up platform-independent log-in for myself. I can't really store my user profile on the server either. If the server goes down, all the linux clients will follow it, regardless of what sort of OS the CIFS server is running on. How do we help the samba team fix this??
BSOD's are nowhere near 4 years out of date. -- last time I booted into windows (XP pro) I got one. I don't really think that 640k comments can qualify as fud. -- I'd say that's more of a comentary on paradigms. Anybody who says windows doesn't break compatibility has never read the documentation for samba, or the book "Implementing CIFS", and have never heard of embrace and extend, AKA copy and break. I'm not saying that linux is completely without FUD -- ceartainly slashdot is rife with misinformed zealots, but telling the truth isn't FUD, it's a dialgue about problems with the system and a way to market.
While I love Apache and trust apache as mutch as the next slashbot, I would like to point out that appache was also one of the first webservers. Originally written as a patch to the http deamon for unix/bsd. They cam out riding on the pigtails of an existing market leader. Microsofts IIS hasn't realy ever taken the lead there, nor will they, untill they shore up the product and secure it better. They'll also have to find a licensing scheme that can compete with Apache's open source license. Better product yes. Is that the reason for market dominance? yes, but only becuase it always has been.
According to this theory, Microsoft would make the best software in the world, and McDonalds would make the Best food. Sometimes the better product wins. Sometimes the better marketing wins, some people are given market share and leverage it to their own advantage, others have to build a far-surpassing product in a new market. Reminds me of the way I see minorities excelling in business. They have to do the same job twice as well, for the same pay. It's not right, and it's not fair, but it ceartainly makes for overall better products and economy if the improvements required to get ahead drive the whole market.
Oh, it's over. don't believe me read Groklaw Daily. SCO has told the courts too many contradictory things to prove any of them. They'll lose to IBM first, then Novell, then Redhat, then autozone, then Chrystler. If they sue anybody else they'll really be fscked. They probably won't exist as a company after Novell. (though technically you're right, the cases haven't been settled, dropped, or judged yet)
You're right! Absolutely, but if it has value to the market, and Linux doesn't have it, linux loses market. Just becuase every app you've seen doesn't work, doesn't mean that miguel and CO can't do it better. If anything, look at Samba: Crappy MS stolen Tech that barely works -> Robust Server system that plays of the strengths of a very weak protocol and allows customizeability and tuning. COnsider more than what you've seen, think of what can be. If people use a bad tool, that's bad everywhere, they'll come to you conclusion, If they don't that's somewhere where we've lost. IMHO.
1. Read this A week Ago, 2. Microsoft has an effective monopoly becuase of "embrace and extend." Ximian, is doing the same thing, Props to them! BY supporting their software we may be able to bring vendors to linux. I can imagine that he would be very cynical about MS since he has to deal with their bs software daily.
I think this is super!
I have really missed being able to fully make use of my Desktop space. I really hope that gnome adds the ability to use any application as the desktop. I really am not pleased with Nautillus and I would mutch prefer to run ximian's evolution as My desktop or render a PHP-based web interface there so that I can manage my life from my desktop. Being able to take care of my finances, to-do list, and scedule, map my news and email would be great, but as far as I know there is no construct for doing so. If I'm wrong, please point me to HOW-TO's on how to replace the desktop host application.
Also, is there a way to run an application as the default desktop, like specifying a diffferent chell in windows, this would be optimal for Linux-POS *solutions*
No Offense to the nice People at WIne who are doing an excellent job making the closed source run on OSS, But isn't there an easier way?
.NET)? I mean, If Adobe, when compiling Illustrator, could just select a different option in their IDE (or whatever) to compile for linux and they could increade their market share 5-10%, using a free add-in,. . . Why wouldn't they do that?
In addition, the documentation already exisits. Every language is documented. Library's are defined. Simply rewriting the library's so the calls become linux/SDL/GTK/QT calls, makes this simply a matter of changing the working directory. Make gcc/mono integrate into proprietary compilers; model Win32Languages and libraries and make gcc/mono able to compile applications written in other compilers.
Every program purchased has top be compiled, right? There are only so many compilers/IDE's for Windows. Wouldn't it be easier, more feasible, to build cross-compiler mudules for the major IDE's (e.g. Visual Studio
IANADeveloper (I do mostly web deployment solutions) so I don't know what IDE's there are. As a result I obviously don't know what sort of logistics would be involved. Assuming it were possible, though, apps could be ported automatically, and OSS could run the CSS win32 can (except M$ products; are you kidding me) to run _native_ anyway. It could even be done optimized per platform. Ship it with a _quality_ installer packager for win32 and Linux, and Smaller Developers will eat it up. Good installers are few and far between and making one available would allow all kinds of increades in compatible technology. At any rate, would love to read your comments
It is? .AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA. . . "
ex: "you don't know wtf IMAP is. .
What's interesting to note about their Web interface is that it drags i you use it without their software and it flies inside thier software: Obviously their software is *optimized* and *faster* than their competitors. The IMAP connect Thier client Uses tends to suck up ~1/2 of the bandwidth (weel that and all the other autonomous client-server chatter )
No, I ahve a friend that's supported thier "product for years" and there's specific thing built into AOL's Custom TCP/IP / PPP protocol stack that differ from the standard protocol versions, and the network drivers that AOL installs so it can do this also don't work with any of the standard TCP clients, so AOL has to negotiate the connection via their software. Also, AOL uses it's own modem drivers, which allows them to modify the actual handshake. Besides, the point of AOL is the software.
Any Hacker that's been unfortuneate enough to get stuck using free trials of AOL has know that AOL was accessable by an off-branded-sort of IMAP for years, at least 8 years in fact. The fact that they're telling people this, is Good I suppose, but You can connect via Oulook, If you want, but I'm not sure why this is really valueable to anyone, since IMAP isn't the easiest thing to setup, and if someone is using AOL. . . .
As Far as I know, I have possitive Carma, mod me down if you must
TV? I read slashdot when I'm bored. . . just think of the other things you could buy with that money.
hopefully this ins't redundant.. . recently have had to do a lot of support on my friend's windows box to get some games running. I had originally set him up with a non-admin user. He is in his DMZ on his broadband and had his brwser hijacked major-big-time a while back, but now when he installs a game, I have to go in and change all kind of permissions so that he can play it. This is one of the biggest useability based threats to winXP; it's a PITA!!!! He's not a geek, he work construction, but he's willing to log in if I say it's more secure. He doesn't like that I have to help him fix this suff every time he installs warcraft III, etc.
Under no circumstances sniff passwords, let alone send e-mails. As if Getting jailed for hacking weren't bad enough, you'll be imediately reported as hackers by the people you e-mail. Once, I pulled all the AIM screen names out of an extensive forward and put them into my Buddy list, I statered to IM them and tell them that thier e-mail addresses were being distributed, and aspects of their privacy violated, and I was called names, cursed at, reported to AOL TOS (which doesn't do anything), and called a criminal. People whined about being harassed, but boy could I make a lot of money advertising Using that info. . . .hmm
It all goes back to this: anytime you make something illegal, then only outlaws can do it, form compiling programs to owning a gun the patriot act and american policy seem to be making being a white hat illegal. They welcome folly by olny allowing black hats who are really dangerous to continue their activities (for lack of a better word) Maybe we need to start a slashdot letter writing campaign???
Please note that this example of a hacking excersize was santioned, and the school knew about it. Also, IANAL but I don't think this is covered under FERPA, so there's not as much rick to the admins. Moreover, these admins appear to be open to criticism vs. those at a college. think about it.