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How To Play Your iTunes Music On Other Systems
ptorrone writes "Engadget has a step-by-step for the non-uber geek on how to play your purchased music from iTunes on other systems. To be clear, this isn't a way to take music you bought and give it to someone else, this is so you can listen to your own purchased music on other systems or devices. In fact, your personal info is still in the file."
I've purchased a bunch of em.
My previous solution was to burn then to CD, then rip them using something else, like Grip under linux.
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PlayFair!
oh christ, why is it that when a real, viable, legal alternative to illegality is created, people have to spend so much damn time and effort to break it up, and make it illegal? i mean, i realize that this is not about sharing, but seriously, it makes you think about what a waste of time it is to crack fairplay....
From the article:
Now the application is called "hymn", or "hear your music anywhere"...
I would have called it "hyman" because it makes more sense. Then again, if the program crashed on you, I guess you'd have a busted hyman, so I see where they're coming from on that.
I also reply below your current threshold.
This is a great way to do this legally... but... there is always someone that will circumvent the issue and find a loop hole to share music within iTunes.
I really don't see illegal mp3/acc file sharing to be stopped. Ever.
Yes! I listen to NYC Speedcore and do math at 3AM. I suggest you try it too.
What is the need to buy music when we can all sing to ourselves and save money instead?
la de la de la..
*cat suffers heart attack*
oh...thats why we buy.
What? Are they implying that you were locked into using Apple hardware to play iTunes? The mind boggles.
"hymm decodes the songs you have purchased using the key from your iPod and/or your operating system and make a new file which is not protected, it keeps the cover art and song data as part of the file. Since this is using your key, you can only do this for your songs, which I personally think is fair- they're the songs you bought, you should be able to put them on your other computers or devices."
I don't know, even if that doesn't technically violate fair use, it comes really close. He [the author] is right though: they're the songs you bought, you should be able to put them on your other computers.
13 steps to play your songs?
I prefer this 3 step procedure instead:
1. Install VLC.
2. Open your M4P file in VLC.
3. Click play.
That's it!
I just find it interesting that the DRM was most easily compromised by allowing iTunes for Windows! Is this just because of the sheer user base, meaning things get hacked together faster, or is it more profound, i.e., Windows is more easily hacked. Food for thought :)
PS - I've just ordered by G4 Powerbook laptop (drool, drool), doing the switch from Windows. Faintly nervous, but all my friends (both of them...) are getting the Powerbooks and loving them!
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Step 1: Use iTunes to burn a CD with whatever songs you bought and want to burn.
Step 2: Use winamp to rip the CD to your computer.
Step 3: Enjoy restriction-less CDs and MP3s.
Then again, I stopped using iTunes now too..
All your base are belong to Google.
Breaking a contract is not necissarily illegal (lets not even debate whether an EULA actually counts as a contract)
The S in TOS stands for service. The contract stiplulates the penalty for breaking the contract: refusal of service. Basically they say we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone who breaks our terms. The only thing Apple could do to you for breaking this "contract" is ban you. (of course the DMCA could possibly come into play somehow, but it is relatively untested)
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Sec. 107. - Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include -
(1)
the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2)
the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3)
the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4)
the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors
I just plug the headphone out into the line in of my computer and encode the songs to MP3 myself while I'm asleep. As long as you can get an audio output from a device, music DRM will never work. So what if it takes as long to record as my tape deck used to. I'm asleep, so I don't know the difference. Encoding music is easy, filling your iPOD full of illegal substances and getting it across the border is hard. Those dogs can smell anything. That's why you have to kick them in the throat. I'm not saying I'd do anything illegal... but I'd kill somebody, in front of their own mama to listen to itunes in my car and if anybody tried to tell on me, I'd gouge their eyes out.
60 percent of the time, my comments are right everytime.
William Hung? Is that you?
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
After all, we all know that about 1% of people (maybe slightly higher on the mac side) are smart enough with even less people caring enough to want to use something like this, especially since it is anti-piracy minded. Apple is only appearing to be serious about this to keep the record companies in bed with them.
Seems to me that the acronyum is HYMAW.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Just because he chose not to doesn't mean he is unable. I tend to agree with the original poster, but IANAL. Clearly fair use has precedence over copyright, but I can see where contract law would take precedence over either.
When you watch TV, did you agree to a contract that you wouldn't make copies? No. When you buy a book, do you sign a contract that you won't share it with friends? No. When you listen to a CD, did you agree to a contract that you wouldn't rip it to mp3s? No. When you install a software package such as iTunes, did you agree to such a contract? YES. It's called the EULA, and there-in lies the difference.
Of course, there's considerable debate over whether EULAs are themselves enforcible -- but that's a different story. Assuming they are, I see no reason why they shouldn't take precedence.
P.S. This is a dupe, it's been covered before.
If you strip the DRM out of copies of the actual song files you purchased, then you are still within the agreement. As long as you do not mess with the actual files you bought.
i really like itunes. the layout is great, and the integration of itunes music store is fantastic because of the ease of use, speed of download, etc. it is slightly annoying that the songs are encrypted. if my other mp3 player could read these files, i wouldn't have any complaints. perhaps the solution is to send e-mail/letters to your favorite mp3 player company and request they release firmware upgrades for your players so that the itunes format is supported.
don't listen to closed music, there is no drm with open music
did you forget to take your meds?
> This hasn't been done on the mac, so you have to wait for the iPod to decrypt it for you.
Wrong. Try reading the source code instead of pretending to know how it works.
true. true.
The thing is, EULAs have their court problems, stemming from the fact that you are presented with the terms AFTER you purchase (once you open the shrinkwrap from a piece of software, or go to install), and have been shown to be slapped down by courts.
However, these terms are presented to you before you purchase your songs. This agreement is in plain sight before the purchase is made, and would likely be able to hold up in court compared against the click-through EULAs. The purchase itself can be considered agreement to the license (as shown by various 'agreements' considered legal by purchasing from a retailer, as long as the agreement is shown up-front).
While I may not entirely agree with the terms, the terms are in the open BEFORE you purchase, and are likely enforcable in a court. It just hasn't been tested in exactly this manner yet, but just because it hasn't, doesn't mean it won't.
okay, man, whatever. i take you think am radio sounds pretty good, too?
hey, man. don't feel bad. a lot of other people are still trying to pass the bar, too
Is it just me, or can't you just burn the cd, then rip it into mp3? Is this against the iTunes EULA? Or do people just not want to do this because they feel they are going to lose some minor amount of sound quality doing this?
Merely breaking a contract is not "illegal" if by "illegal" you mean "criminal" (as opposed to incurring only civil liability). However, violation of the DMCA may (or may not) be "illegal" -- i.e., criminal. The DMCA, and particularly 17 U.S.C. sec. 1201(b) provides in pertinent part:
17 U.S.C. sec. 1201(b) (emphasis added)
It appears the software in question violates section 1201(b). I suspect the DMCA takedown notice is on the way.
However, it does not appear there is any criminal (as opposed to civil) liability. 17 U.S.C. sec. 1204(a) provides in relevant part:
17 U.S.C. sec. 1204(a) (emphasis added). Because the author of the software at issue doe not appear to be acting "for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain," it looks like there is no criminal liability.
On the other hand, the potential civil liability is substantial. 17 U.S.C. sec. 1203(c) provides in relevant part:
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Yes, I know this isn't a poll, but I do think the whole concept is messed up. I use linux full time and I am completely unable to get itunes at all.
Why does apple support kde when they write safari, but totally leave linux out of the loop on their online store?
Can I be a Luddite too?
"This is NOT a legal method!
By purchasing songs from the iTMS you have contractually agreed NOT to bypass their DRM system"
Well, yes, but there's also the notion of Fair Use, a legal right that allows you to copy or re-format for your own use.
So while this might not be a strictly legal method - breach of contract - the contract itself might put unfair restraints on your rights. It's not as simple as you make it out.
Then again IANAL.
Where I totally disagree with you is that any party could claim damages when you haven't pirated or aided and abetted piracy at all and as such have not caused one single dollar of losses. This is not about piracy, this is about circumventing a restriction for your own use. RTFA if you think otherwise.
This is about copying a DVD to VHS or an LP to cassette. It might be a breach of some sort of contract, but then again, most things are. That's not the same as being liable for damages.
I think, therefore I am...I think.
For instance, I know someone who rented an apartment which has no window in the bedroom for escape from fire. But it is in a very nice place at below average rent, so he puts up with it. Legally, that apartment should not have been rented at all.
I rented an apartment whose lease had an illegal clause concerning a cleaning deposit. I ignored it and signed it anyway, and when time came to leave, and they tried to enforce it, I took them to small claims court and scared them so much I got an additional several hundred dollars out of them to dismiss it in such a manner that they were not on record of having even come to court.
Illegal contarcts can not be enforced. Whether or not the iTunes contract is illegal or has illegal clauses is another matter.
Infuriate left and right
"breach of contract" is a civil matter, not criminal. You haven't violated any laws, therefore what you're doing it ain't illegal. You can only be accused by the other party(ies) to the contract of breach - not by any officials of an executive branch of a government (in the US.)
Furthermore, the breach has to be declared by a civil court judge - lawsuits must be filed, and your case has to make its way through the system before that judgement (and/or injunction) can be declared.
OTOH, if it were criminal, you could be ARRESTED.
This is precisely why the DMCA was conjured - to apply criminal treatment to what was previously a either (or both) a civil infraction or a minor criminal matter (misdemeanor) - copyright infringement. Now it's felony material.
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FUD. I had no problem re-ripping to 128k AAC. Sounds exactly the same.
Your logic is "Well, they're taking away some of my rights, so I won't complain because they'll take away more if I do".
Oh, and there's nothing wrong with doing this.
Why would you even pay attention to stupid language like that?
Apple fanatics are so predictable that they're BORING at this point.
"It would not be hard for a plaintiff to argue that in bypassing a DRM system, the resulting file could very easily end up being copied by potentially thousands and thousands of users, with or with out the knowledge of the original copier of the file give how most P2P apps work."
If you were stupid enough to use such an argument, the defendant would simply point out that (a) there is no allegation of actual infringement (b) Potential infringment? What a novel concept (c) CDs are themselves much higher quality than iTMS and are unprotected (d) the works are already available via P2P networks and even if you discount "(B)" above, this copy has never been distributed.
I suspect the defendant wouldn't get to make this argument because the judge would scratch his head and demand to see proof that you graduated from high school.
"WRAAAAAG! At times it feels like I'm the only one who recognizes that fair use does not apply when you have contractually agreed not to bypass the DRM... for further info, see some of my other posts in this thread."
We saw and read them, but I think the salient point is that you're talking out of your ass, and are most assuredly wrong in virtually every one of your major points.
Its true.
"I've just ordered by G4 Powerbook laptop"
I hope you got it cheap, the G5's are only about 6 months away and will most assuredly be faster and far more desirable.
Marvel over the horrible sound from adding a 2nd level of lossy description.
Note: People with tin ears or apple fanatics will claim Apple iTMS is magic and it doesn't matter, because Apple is magicer than other companies.
...why I like to make my own pc, upgrade my own pc, compile-install-manage my os and desktop... and try to have little to do with closed source companies like Microsoft and Apple.
I know geeks love Macs but the closed nature of the beast is the antithesis of what the open source movement promotes.
I guess geeks dont mind the contradictions if it involves a cool toy. I wouldnt be surprised that those same people own an Xbox.
d.m.
If you hate the command line, like I do, you can download a GUI wrapper for the Windows version of HYMN at http://stilleye.com/hymn.net/
Mod my comments down. It'll be fun.
Huh? It works fine with MacsBug installed... until you press command-powerkey, when it screws up...
And it will all be cracked eventually. First CSS, then WPA, now this. Thank God for the hackers, that's all I can say. Otherwise The Man would own us all by now.
I think that was the point being made (and in a useful way, i.e. with the very argument I also use to explain this to people who neither understand the construction intuitively nor technically).
"In 1984, seems to me that the acronyum is HYMAW"
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
only works on whole ablums unfortunately
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A couple of points: 1)A contract is an agreement that the parties have agreed has the force of law. This means that if one party has breached the agreement, the other party can turn to the courts for a remedy. 2) There is a doctrine called "material breach." There's a lot more to it than this, but for our purposes, it basically says "no harm, no foul." If the breach, in this case, using hymn to remove the DRM from the track you bought from iTunes, causes no actual provable damages, it is unlikely that a court is going to grant a remedy. Contract damages are never assumed and must be proven. What this means is that, assuming you are simply format shifting (more than likely legal under the old VCR case from the 80s... don't know the cite offhand) and not violating the copyright by distributing copies, the most Apple can do to you is cut you off from further purchases. They are unlikely to be able to prove any damages if you haven't provided that file to anyone else. However, if you have shared the file, you will get hit, as they will have both contract remedies for the breach, and their rights arising from the copyright violation. Bottom line: If you're going to use hymn to de-DRM these, it would be... unwise... to share the resulting files, as they still contain your authentication info, which can probably be used to track who released the file into the wild, and, as discussed above, can be used to establish actual damages and copyright infringement.
Dude, he was using a teaching tool. Reread.
For the mods, there is nothing off-topic about discussing the grammar of a post. While we can probably fairly guess the meaning intended by "my wife and I," no meaning at all was actually expressed by this agrammatical combination of words.
People usually have a decent reason for switching platforms --- but, my best friend switched to Apple for his laptop purchase because they gave him better financing than Dell!
It seems like only a small step to remove the Apple ID from the decrypted file, hmm?
Removing copyright management information from a copy or phonorecord of a copyrighted work is a violation of another part of the DMCA. The Hymn software is designed to violate as little of the DMCA as possible to get its job done.