I'm doubting he works as a professional programmer for a company yet.
He's likely the one who chose to play the clarinet, and if not him it's his parents who encouraged it (yeah, lets sue them).
He's not likely in his "career" yet.
This reminds me of the stories of star high school athletes who seem to be all lined up for a college sports scholarship and hopes of making it to the pros -- and then have that unfortunate injury that benches them from the sport.
>I can certainly see why this caught on in the rest of the world, and I can see why American cell providers like Verizon and Sprint are against it - I'm sure they make a good bit of money from selling you phones.
They don't even have to provide you a phone to make money. Buy a used CDMA phone and you get to pay a fee of $10-$35 to have them activate it on your pre-existing service with them. It's literally a fee for them typing some characters on a computer so you can continue to be their customer.
The TV market is too price-conscious for Apple. They can enter that market, but it will drag down their margins.
You mean like the razor-thin profit margin PC industry?
The industry in which Apple has never managed to top 11% even when they have had technological superiority? Oh, OK.
Uh, my point is Apple is already in a market known for having very thin profits and functioning in it as a premium brand, making money hand-over-fist with their margins on the machines they do sell verses the rest of the industry. The actual market share percentage has nothing to do with this -- we don't have to "make it up on volume" when you're making a killing already.
Thanks for not paying attention to the original topic though.
I know - with scant regard to the fact that there is still zero hardware acceleration support for 10-bit. None, zip, zero, nada. Knowing 'this transition' is going on doesn't do you much good if you actually need hardware accelerated playback.
DXVA encoding was already rather unpopular because it required quality tradeoffs and was a support issue the groups didn't want to have in their blogs. One of the reasons THORA went to Hi10P was to get out of that. MediaPlayerClassic-Homecinema allowed hardware-accelerated playback on many files by ignoring some of the checks it should normally be making by default. As for full hardware acceleration, it's not supported evenly by all graphics processors and the results could vary even when they were.
I honestly doubt we'll see 10-bit h264 hardware support. The collective consumer electronics industry is already looking toward h265 for the next hardware playback step. They only begrudgingly support MKV for a container format, which I bet is why the Live TV pirates chose to move to MP4 when they stepped up recently. They don't have to support subs and don't care about chaptering. Consider how long it took to get broad support for 8-bit h264/high for video at all, and how it held back the Live TV pirating community. They are 3-5 years behind us today because they were holding onto their XviD/AVI format for playback on their DIVX DVD players.
I don't think the fansub community sees any reason to let corporations steer the decisions that effect their projects. Software decoding works, is more reliable than hardware-accelerated playback, and is more balanced on the system. You can put your graphics card to use on a better picture renderer, like MadVR, instead of settling for Overlay even EVR.
My whole point is that this started with one or two groups and now lots of others are jumping on the _bandwagon_ without waiting for playback capabilities to catch up...
For the fansub community, playback capability is judged by the state of ffdshow, they aren't aiming for hardware-acceleration -- because most of the audience is watching on their PCs and if it is in the living room it's likely being transcoded and streamed anyway by PS3MediaServer. This is why many groups will only "guarantee" their releases to play back right in CCCP. They didn't start moving to 10-bit encoding until 10-bit was in a stable ffdshow release. The incredibly late arrival of VLC to 10-bit compatibility has only made it more of a joke than it was.
Even with multithreaded software decoding you need a pretty powerful CPU to keep up with HD hi10p; so far as media centre boxes go you pretty much need something from the most recent CPU generation. My previous-gen Zotac box can now play _most_ 720p files with little framedrop, but it still doesn't stand a chance of keeping up with most 1080p stuff.
It's kind of weird to cut out anyone who's not using a powerful current-gen PC from playing your stuff,
I would say any non-POS PC from the last 5 years should be fine for 720p. The load isn't that much more than 8-bit for the decoding itself. You might be having more probelms because everyone is soft-subbing everything now, and some of that work is getting more complicated (UTW is very bad with that karaoke effects). Which is why we have that fork of VOBSub with multi-threading now.
especially now streamer boxes are so common and there are big communities of people using e.g. RasbPi and Apple TV boxes as XBMC platforms. They don't stand a hope in hell of playing anything their hardware decoders don't support.
Streamer boxes generally don't support ASS subtitles, either. So it's already a non-issue. For playback like that it's going to get transcoded beforehand, or done in real time from a regular PC in another room..
I know which groups use 8 and which use 10, but not all stuff is available from 8-bit groups.
And you can transcode the rest yourself with XviD4PSP. I transcode 10-bit h264 and occasionally 8-bit h264 (that's over L4.1) down to hardsubbed h264/MP4 to play back on my blu-ray player.
My plan was to just ignore the law and unlock my phone anyway and -- oh wait, I buy my phones used on eBay to start with and don't even get involved in the whole carrier-subsidy treadmill.
Should McDonald's tell you exactly what is in their burgers when we buy them or should we have the foresight to look up nutrition facts before buying?
The nutrition information is posted in the store on a wall poster and is also available as pamphlets you can keep/look at before ordering. In fact, it's obvious you haven't been in a McDonald's lately because they now list the calorie counts on their menu items right on the menu board next to the prices, even listing the sandwich alone and the range for meal options.
Those in Japan who capture the content are the same as those who encode the fansubbed video for the western world?
He didn't say that. The capture is used by fansubbers, they do their own final encode.
I don't think you have a grasp on the fansubbing community. The unsubtitled H.264 release isn't made by or for the fansub group, it's made for anyone primarily for direct consumption.
It's well known that many groups (gg being the first that comes to mind) have their own cappers often and they sometimes have exclusivity deals with the cappers, too.
Even if there was someone releasing HUFFYUV encodes that the group could use, transmitting one 720p HUFFYUV video per show week over consumer broadband connections? Good luck with that. God help if the encoder does more than one show.
If there's anyone who doesn't have a good grasp it seems to be you. Go look at the major anime bluray encoders (THORAnime, Coalgirls, Kira-Fansubs, Afternoon Naps Empire). They sometimes purchase/have access to actual JDM blu-ray discs, but sometimes they're having to download their source as BDMVs -- that's downloading a bluray disc over their Internet connections.
Anime fansub groups have started using it to cut down on banding. Since cartoons often have gradual color transitions, the repeated encode process (broadcast MPEG-2 -> Capture H.264 -> Reencode H.264 with subs baked on) introduces banding on those transitions that Hi10P at least somewhat mitigates.
That intermediary h264 step doesn't exist any more (the "raw"). I suspect it's primary function was to simply create a more efficiently encoded version of the broadcast for distribution on the Internet. But with faster Internet connections more common now and quality of greater importance than file size now they aren't used if they can't be avoided. In fact, if you were encoding from a raw, you wouldn't use Hi10P because it would be worthless since the raw was generally 8-bit.
The better groups have their own dedicated capper in Japan or access to a shared MPEG2 transport stream. They might do a quick "work raw" or internal usage but the actual final encode would be done straight from the source transport stream to the final encode after filtering.
But you're right as to the general reason for Hi10P, greater quality and less banding/blocking (especially in darker scene) and smaller file sizes. The processing requirements are higher, but not much higher (for software-based decoding) and today's machines are so overpowered for most consumer uses in general it's not that big of an issue.
Bandwagon? This transition has been going on for over a year now. It's not like the beginning when it was Commie and gg and nobody else. You can always watch HorribleSubs, they're still 8-bit. Deadfish does 8-bit and hardsubbed MP4's and I'm pretty sure he uses the major groups' scripts.
No offense to me. I didn't come up with it. Just a line I see here when talking about ways to archive personal data "just put it in a torrent and you'll always be able to get a copy of it".
I'm reminded of the old joke that if you want you photos/videos/etc backed up in a way that will outlast traditional back up media lifespans, simply upload it to a torrent and let it stay on the Internet being seeded by strangers sharing your stuff.
I hope by the time humans finally walk on Mars, it's still there so it can be preserved.
I just had a mental image of humans landing on Mars and Opportunity rolling up and waving an arm at them in greeting when they open the hatch to step out.:-3
You can have trademarks of the same name applied to a different trade. I'm pretty sure that the cider production trade is rather unrelated to the glbt gaming culture trade.
Until Sid Meier's Beverage Tycoon is released, that is.
Dedupe is only implemented on a same-file-same-key basis. So if *you* upload the same file twice it will be deduped, but it won't share the data backend with anybody else.
So where does the "or give someone else access" part apply then?
Because the United States is a (relatively) peaceful nation by comparison? Aren't these military simulation games supposed to be aiming at realism? And their target market has a lot of people who served in "military actions" in that part of the world.
Maybe as soon as there's another war actually on the soil of the lower 48 states we'll get that Pakistani agent game.
You'd be amazed. I was at a company where we paid 90% of what we would have paid for Microsoft licenses for Linux "support". It turns out that we NEVER called Microsoft or Linux anyway, so why bother spending hundreds of thousands on support anyway?
The same reason you spend money on a sprinkler system when you've never had a fire in the building?
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So now Apple invented stores?
No. But if Apple (and to a lesser extent, Microsoft) didn't have stores, do you still think Google would see them as necessary?
I doubt it.
The OP says he's a high school senior.
This reminds me of the stories of star high school athletes who seem to be all lined up for a college sports scholarship and hopes of making it to the pros -- and then have that unfortunate injury that benches them from the sport.
The result: time to rethink your future.
I'd like to note that joke was a little flat, to me anyway.
>I can certainly see why this caught on in the rest of the world, and I can see why American cell providers like Verizon and Sprint are against it - I'm sure they make a good bit of money from selling you phones.
They don't even have to provide you a phone to make money. Buy a used CDMA phone and you get to pay a fee of $10-$35 to have them activate it on your pre-existing service with them. It's literally a fee for them typing some characters on a computer so you can continue to be their customer.
Haven't they outlawed them yet?
No, I think there's something that prevents that -- a "right to assemble" or other such nonsense.
Have you checked the Bill of Rights lately?
The TV market is too price-conscious for Apple. They can enter that market, but it will drag down their margins.
You mean like the razor-thin profit margin PC industry?
The industry in which Apple has never managed to top 11% even when they have had technological superiority? Oh, OK.
Uh, my point is Apple is already in a market known for having very thin profits and functioning in it as a premium brand, making money hand-over-fist with their margins on the machines they do sell verses the rest of the industry. The actual market share percentage has nothing to do with this -- we don't have to "make it up on volume" when you're making a killing already.
Thanks for not paying attention to the original topic though.
The TV market is too price-conscious for Apple. They can enter that market, but it will drag down their margins.
You mean like the razor-thin profit margin PC industry?
I know - with scant regard to the fact that there is still zero hardware acceleration support for 10-bit. None, zip, zero, nada. Knowing 'this transition' is going on doesn't do you much good if you actually need hardware accelerated playback.
DXVA encoding was already rather unpopular because it required quality tradeoffs and was a support issue the groups didn't want to have in their blogs. One of the reasons THORA went to Hi10P was to get out of that. MediaPlayerClassic-Homecinema allowed hardware-accelerated playback on many files by ignoring some of the checks it should normally be making by default. As for full hardware acceleration, it's not supported evenly by all graphics processors and the results could vary even when they were.
I honestly doubt we'll see 10-bit h264 hardware support. The collective consumer electronics industry is already looking toward h265 for the next hardware playback step. They only begrudgingly support MKV for a container format, which I bet is why the Live TV pirates chose to move to MP4 when they stepped up recently. They don't have to support subs and don't care about chaptering. Consider how long it took to get broad support for 8-bit h264/high for video at all, and how it held back the Live TV pirating community. They are 3-5 years behind us today because they were holding onto their XviD/AVI format for playback on their DIVX DVD players.
I don't think the fansub community sees any reason to let corporations steer the decisions that effect their projects. Software decoding works, is more reliable than hardware-accelerated playback, and is more balanced on the system. You can put your graphics card to use on a better picture renderer, like MadVR, instead of settling for Overlay even EVR.
My whole point is that this started with one or two groups and now lots of others are jumping on the _bandwagon_ without waiting for playback capabilities to catch up...
For the fansub community, playback capability is judged by the state of ffdshow, they aren't aiming for hardware-acceleration -- because most of the audience is watching on their PCs and if it is in the living room it's likely being transcoded and streamed anyway by PS3MediaServer. This is why many groups will only "guarantee" their releases to play back right in CCCP. They didn't start moving to 10-bit encoding until 10-bit was in a stable ffdshow release. The incredibly late arrival of VLC to 10-bit compatibility has only made it more of a joke than it was.
Even with multithreaded software decoding you need a pretty powerful CPU to keep up with HD hi10p; so far as media centre boxes go you pretty much need something from the most recent CPU generation. My previous-gen Zotac box can now play _most_ 720p files with little framedrop, but it still doesn't stand a chance of keeping up with most 1080p stuff.
It's kind of weird to cut out anyone who's not using a powerful current-gen PC from playing your stuff,
I would say any non-POS PC from the last 5 years should be fine for 720p. The load isn't that much more than 8-bit for the decoding itself. You might be having more probelms because everyone is soft-subbing everything now, and some of that work is getting more complicated (UTW is very bad with that karaoke effects). Which is why we have that fork of VOBSub with multi-threading now.
especially now streamer boxes are so common and there are big communities of people using e.g. RasbPi and Apple TV boxes as XBMC platforms. They don't stand a hope in hell of playing anything their hardware decoders don't support.
Streamer boxes generally don't support ASS subtitles, either. So it's already a non-issue. For playback like that it's going to get transcoded beforehand, or done in real time from a regular PC in another room..
I know which groups use 8 and which use 10, but not all stuff is available from 8-bit groups.
And you can transcode the rest yourself with XviD4PSP. I transcode 10-bit h264 and occasionally 8-bit h264 (that's over L4.1) down to hardsubbed h264/MP4 to play back on my blu-ray player.
My plan was to just ignore the law and unlock my phone anyway and -- oh wait, I buy my phones used on eBay to start with and don't even get involved in the whole carrier-subsidy treadmill.
Should McDonald's tell you exactly what is in their burgers when we buy them or should we have the foresight to look up nutrition facts before buying?
The nutrition information is posted in the store on a wall poster and is also available as pamphlets you can keep/look at before ordering. In fact, it's obvious you haven't been in a McDonald's lately because they now list the calorie counts on their menu items right on the menu board next to the prices, even listing the sandwich alone and the range for meal options.
Those in Japan who capture the content are the same as those who encode the fansubbed video for the western world?
He didn't say that. The capture is used by fansubbers, they do their own final encode.
I don't think you have a grasp on the fansubbing community. The unsubtitled H.264 release isn't made by or for the fansub group, it's made for anyone primarily for direct consumption.
It's well known that many groups (gg being the first that comes to mind) have their own cappers often and they sometimes have exclusivity deals with the cappers, too.
Even if there was someone releasing HUFFYUV encodes that the group could use, transmitting one 720p HUFFYUV video per show week over consumer broadband connections? Good luck with that. God help if the encoder does more than one show.
If there's anyone who doesn't have a good grasp it seems to be you. Go look at the major anime bluray encoders (THORAnime, Coalgirls, Kira-Fansubs, Afternoon Naps Empire). They sometimes purchase/have access to actual JDM blu-ray discs, but sometimes they're having to download their source as BDMVs -- that's downloading a bluray disc over their Internet connections.
Oh, no I didn't. Dammit. I'd really like Slashdot to get their page threading display fixed.
Whoops. Replied to the wrong post.
Anime fansub groups have started using it to cut down on banding. Since cartoons often have gradual color transitions, the repeated encode process (broadcast MPEG-2 -> Capture H.264 -> Reencode H.264 with subs baked on) introduces banding on those transitions that Hi10P at least somewhat mitigates.
That intermediary h264 step doesn't exist any more (the "raw"). I suspect it's primary function was to simply create a more efficiently encoded version of the broadcast for distribution on the Internet. But with faster Internet connections more common now and quality of greater importance than file size now they aren't used if they can't be avoided. In fact, if you were encoding from a raw, you wouldn't use Hi10P because it would be worthless since the raw was generally 8-bit.
The better groups have their own dedicated capper in Japan or access to a shared MPEG2 transport stream. They might do a quick "work raw" or internal usage but the actual final encode would be done straight from the source transport stream to the final encode after filtering.
But you're right as to the general reason for Hi10P, greater quality and less banding/blocking (especially in darker scene) and smaller file sizes. The processing requirements are higher, but not much higher (for software-based decoding) and today's machines are so overpowered for most consumer uses in general it's not that big of an issue.
If you're forced to watch a lot of hi10p stuff (thanks, bandwagon-jumping fansub groups!) you may want to grab this patch:
https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/pull/2064
Bandwagon? This transition has been going on for over a year now. It's not like the beginning when it was Commie and gg and nobody else.
You can always watch HorribleSubs, they're still 8-bit. Deadfish does 8-bit and hardsubbed MP4's and I'm pretty sure he uses the major groups' scripts.
And then we'll get the message that it was caused by a global warming overflow and be prompted to reboot and start over again
Nice try, but if you've wired it for sound, that's no different from someone actually being there to here it.
No, it is different. We wont be there. We'll be hear hereing it.
Also, don't humanize small electronics.
They hate that.
No offense to me. I didn't come up with it. Just a line I see here when talking about ways to archive personal data "just put it in a torrent and you'll always be able to get a copy of it".
I'm reminded of the old joke that if you want you photos/videos/etc backed up in a way that will outlast traditional back up media lifespans, simply upload it to a torrent and let it stay on the Internet being seeded by strangers sharing your stuff.
I hope by the time humans finally walk on Mars, it's still there so it can be preserved.
I just had a mental image of humans landing on Mars and Opportunity rolling up and waving an arm at them in greeting when they open the hatch to step out. :-3
You can have trademarks of the same name applied to a different trade. I'm pretty sure that the cider production trade is rather unrelated to the glbt gaming culture trade.
Until Sid Meier's Beverage Tycoon is released, that is.
Dedupe is only implemented on a same-file-same-key basis. So if *you* upload the same file twice it will be deduped, but it won't share the data backend with anybody else.
So where does the "or give someone else access" part apply then?
Because the United States is a (relatively) peaceful nation by comparison?
Aren't these military simulation games supposed to be aiming at realism? And their target market has a lot of people who served in "military actions" in that part of the world.
Maybe as soon as there's another war actually on the soil of the lower 48 states we'll get that Pakistani agent game.
There are plenty of non-strange Linux people around.
Personally, I consider myself quite charming.
Have you considered commissioning a study to support that?
You'd be amazed. I was at a company where we paid 90% of what we would have paid for Microsoft licenses for Linux "support". It turns out that we NEVER called Microsoft or Linux anyway, so why bother spending hundreds of thousands on support anyway?
The same reason you spend money on a sprinkler system when you've never had a fire in the building?