What the hell do your problems with the Eclipse UI have to do with Java?
Basically, your reasons for disliking java come down to - it sometimes looks a little ugly, and some applications written in java have confusing (to you) UIs. The one you mention doesn't even use Swing - java's standard GUI. It uses a third party GUI library - IBM's SWT.
There's hundreds of applications with confusing and horrible UIs written with many tools and in many languages. In fact, I would say that the number of applications with well thought out and intuitive UIs compared with the some total of all GUI applications over all toolkits and languages is vanishingly small. (Especially if your minor issues with Eclipse rate being "designed by the clinically insane" - I'd hate to think what you thought of Office 2000's disappearing menu items)
You don't see people bashing C just because there exist crappy GTK+ applications do you?...and on the ugliness issue - Most of the time that's laziness on the part of the developer. It is quite possible to develop a Java Swing application that looks perfectly fine, and does a pretty good job of blending in (better than some non java applications in fact). And Java 5 improves the situation even more. And if it's still not good enough, then use SWT - you can't even tell you're using a Java application when you're using an SWT application.
if I have to stare at a blank page while my status bar says "waiting for google-analytics.com" then either I'm going to block google-analytics.com, or I'm just going to get fed up and stop visiting your site.
It really bugs me just how often I have to sit and wait for my browser to contact 5 different ad and stat sites when viewing some web sites - slashdot being one of the big offenders.
I have no problem with you providing (tasteful and discreet) ads, I have no problem with you collecting stats. I do have a problem with having to wait for that to happen, when I could be reading your site.
but any brass player can play a bugle - at least well enough for this purpose. A bugle is pretty much the same as a trumpet, cornet or flugelhorn (closest to the flugel), but with no valves, so it's actually _easier_ to play......
> What he means by bloat is that small individual applications that ought only to depend on kdelibs, don't. They depend on "everything". No they don't.
KDE consists of kdelibs + kdebase. Everything else is optional. In fact, if you want to run an individual KDE application without the desktop environment, then even kdebase is optional.
If you try to install all of the packages that the Debian KDE maintainer has decided are part of "KDE", then what a suprise, you get ALL of them. The big heap of dependencies you listed are 90% individual KDE applications that you are completely free to install or not. If that is difficult, then that is an issue with the packaging of KDE on your distribution, not an issue with KDE itself.
See if there is a "kde-base" meta package you can install - if you do that, you'll get the much smaller set of applications that comprise the core of KDE, and then you can cherry pick the other applications that suit your needs.
gah. I'm sorry, but you're a moron, either that or you read the first sentence of the grandparent post and stopped.
He explicitly said that we shouldn't assume such things exist just because we're not assuming they don't exist.
You cannot establish any scientific theory without some evidence. What he's saying is to simply not form a theory one way or the other until such time as you actually have some evidence.
You can be open to the possibility of something without assuming it's true. If you can't, then you have some serious thought process problems, and will end up embarrasing yourself with statements like "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists"
Yes, techinically it's an operating system. But you don't buy ESX server to browse the web with, nor do you buy it to run Oracle on, you buy it to run guest OSs on. It's not competing with any Microsoft operating system.
but VMWare don't sell operating systems...and Microsoft don't have a monopoly on Virtualisation - not even close, and they're not using their monopoly on operating systems to gain one on virtualisation.
Also, they don't even _have_ a competing product to VMWare's flagship - ESX server.
I don't believe Microsoft are doing anything remotely illegal in this, and I also don't think that VMWare have anything to worry about...at least not from MS
no, that's stupid. Just because they "tend to be different" doesn't mean that they're guaranteed to differ on a partiuclar issue. Looking at the demographics and saying "they're different" is useless. Looking at the demographics and saying "they tend to prefer this particular thing" would make more sense - but that wasn't what was done. A blind assumption was made that because party X did Y, party Z would _not_ do Y. That's just completely flawed.
or she might just tell you to fuck off and leave her alone.
One of the main things they've promised with Oblivion is that the NPCs have their own lives and go about their business - they're not just placed somewhere for the sole purpose of meeting you.
Even morrowind wasn't really like that - NPCs didn't move much like they're supposed to in Oblivion, but they also weren't all there to give you a quest. Quite a lot of them just told you to get the hell out of their way, or would just say "hi" pleasantly as you passed. Just like real life.
It's also worth noting that Morrowind was very low on side quests handed out by random NPCs - most of the quests in the game were quests for the guilds you chose to join. I think that was one of the great things about it - you knew where you could go if you wanted something to do, but you weren't forced to go through the story if you didn't want to. I don't imagine Oblivion will be any different there.
I think too many people manage to raise their expectations way beyond what was ever promised for some games - they just assume it'll be exactly the game they want it to be, and are then horribly disappointed when its not. I expect it to be like Morrowind, with better graphics, and slightly better NPCs. That's all I ever expected. Even if it's just like morrowind, but with better graphics I'll be perfectly happy.
why? If it doesn't need to be sorted, why sort it - that would just be a waste of cycles. Sometimes the best optimisations you can make, are to not try to make optimisations...
1. Assuming that your preferred set of guidelines are the One True Way. The rule you are referring to is specific to American English. American English is different to Commonwealth English in more than just spelling, there are quite a few grammatical issues on which the two versions of the language disagree. 2. Pendantry for the sake of pendantry. I'm all for encouraging sensible and correct use of language, but seriously....that was petty. Even the most diehard grammar nazis must be cringing at that post.
Slashdot Mirror
argh!
flashbacks!
I think I've seen it...
I had blocked it out, but now you've brought it back.....you bastard!
What the hell do your problems with the Eclipse UI have to do with Java?
...and on the ugliness issue - Most of the time that's laziness on the part of the developer. It is quite possible to develop a Java Swing application that looks perfectly fine, and does a pretty good job of blending in (better than some non java applications in fact). And Java 5 improves the situation even more. And if it's still not good enough, then use SWT - you can't even tell you're using a Java application when you're using an SWT application.
Basically, your reasons for disliking java come down to - it sometimes looks a little ugly, and some applications written in java have confusing (to you) UIs.
The one you mention doesn't even use Swing - java's standard GUI. It uses a third party GUI library - IBM's SWT.
There's hundreds of applications with confusing and horrible UIs written with many tools and in many languages. In fact, I would say that the number of applications with well thought out and intuitive UIs compared with the some total of all GUI applications over all toolkits and languages is vanishingly small. (Especially if your minor issues with Eclipse rate being "designed by the clinically insane" - I'd hate to think what you thought of Office 2000's disappearing menu items)
You don't see people bashing C just because there exist crappy GTK+ applications do you?
Then don't upgrade.
Where's the problem?
if I have to stare at a blank page while my status bar says "waiting for google-analytics.com" then either I'm going to block google-analytics.com, or I'm just going to get fed up and stop visiting your site.
It really bugs me just how often I have to sit and wait for my browser to contact 5 different ad and stat sites when viewing some web sites - slashdot being one of the big offenders.
I have no problem with you providing (tasteful and discreet) ads, I have no problem with you collecting stats. I do have a problem with having to wait for that to happen, when I could be reading your site.
but any brass player can play a bugle - at least well enough for this purpose.
A bugle is pretty much the same as a trumpet, cornet or flugelhorn (closest to the flugel), but with no valves, so it's actually _easier_ to play......
hehe...Someone better poke the Debian KDE packagers with something sharpe then ;)
> What he means by bloat is that small individual applications that ought only to depend on kdelibs, don't. They depend on "everything".
No they don't.
Please give an example.
how does kbattleship bloat KDE?
KDE consists of kdelibs + kdebase. Everything else is optional.
In fact, if you want to run an individual KDE application without the desktop environment, then even kdebase is optional.
If you try to install all of the packages that the Debian KDE maintainer has decided are part of "KDE", then what a suprise, you get ALL of them.
The big heap of dependencies you listed are 90% individual KDE applications that you are completely free to install or not.
If that is difficult, then that is an issue with the packaging of KDE on your distribution, not an issue with KDE itself.
See if there is a "kde-base" meta package you can install - if you do that, you'll get the much smaller set of applications that comprise the core of KDE, and then you can cherry pick the other applications that suit your needs.
gah. I'm sorry, but you're a moron, either that or you read the first sentence of the grandparent post and stopped.
He explicitly said that we shouldn't assume such things exist just because we're not assuming they don't exist.
You cannot establish any scientific theory without some evidence. What he's saying is to simply not form a theory one way or the other until such time as you actually have some evidence.
You can be open to the possibility of something without assuming it's true. If you can't, then you have some serious thought process problems, and will end up embarrasing yourself with statements like "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists"
Was there some point you were making, or did you just feel like throwing around some random abuse?
> It can be derived with trigonometry:
But you still need the scale.
> (1.5pixel*0.025"/pixel)
So where'd you get the 0.025 from?
Without that, 1.5 pixels is completely meaningless. a "pixel" could be any size
> .it's just like running Windows XP on any other x86 hardware ....only snappier!
Yes, techinically it's an operating system. But you don't buy ESX server to browse the web with, nor do you buy it to run Oracle on, you buy it to run guest OSs on.
It's not competing with any Microsoft operating system.
Do they?
That's news to me. I suspect it's news to VMWare too.
Which VMWare product relies on Windows?
but VMWare don't sell operating systems...and Microsoft don't have a monopoly on Virtualisation - not even close, and they're not using their monopoly on operating systems to gain one on virtualisation.
Also, they don't even _have_ a competing product to VMWare's flagship - ESX server.
I don't believe Microsoft are doing anything remotely illegal in this, and I also don't think that VMWare have anything to worry about...at least not from MS
That's how.
The Simpson apparently ;)
In more than half the world actually.
Besides, we all run our system clocks on UTC here don't we?
no, that's stupid.
Just because they "tend to be different" doesn't mean that they're guaranteed to differ on a partiuclar issue.
Looking at the demographics and saying "they're different" is useless.
Looking at the demographics and saying "they tend to prefer this particular thing" would make more sense - but that wasn't what was done. A blind assumption was made that because party X did Y, party Z would _not_ do Y. That's just completely flawed.
or she might just tell you to fuck off and leave her alone.
One of the main things they've promised with Oblivion is that the NPCs have their own lives and go about their business - they're not just placed somewhere for the sole purpose of meeting you.
Even morrowind wasn't really like that - NPCs didn't move much like they're supposed to in Oblivion, but they also weren't all there to give you a quest. Quite a lot of them just told you to get the hell out of their way, or would just say "hi" pleasantly as you passed. Just like real life.
It's also worth noting that Morrowind was very low on side quests handed out by random NPCs - most of the quests in the game were quests for the guilds you chose to join. I think that was one of the great things about it - you knew where you could go if you wanted something to do, but you weren't forced to go through the story if you didn't want to. I don't imagine Oblivion will be any different there.
I think too many people manage to raise their expectations way beyond what was ever promised for some games - they just assume it'll be exactly the game they want it to be, and are then horribly disappointed when its not.
I expect it to be like Morrowind, with better graphics, and slightly better NPCs. That's all I ever expected. Even if it's just like morrowind, but with better graphics I'll be perfectly happy.
you completely missed the point.
Besides, if Digg is so much better, what the hell are you doing wasting time here?
Someone might post a story to Digg while you're here, and you'll be 3 seconds slower getting to it!!!!1!
no one said anything about cobbling together tar scripts - any company that's reached > 1TB per night knows that's a bad idea already.
He's asking about the hardware side, not the software.
why? If it doesn't need to be sorted, why sort it - that would just be a waste of cycles.
Sometimes the best optimisations you can make, are to not try to make optimisations...
nice, but too obvious, I don't think you'll get any bites.
Two pet peeves here....
1. Assuming that your preferred set of guidelines are the One True Way. The rule you are referring to is specific to American English. American English is different to Commonwealth English in more than just spelling, there are quite a few grammatical issues on which the two versions of the language disagree.
2. Pendantry for the sake of pendantry. I'm all for encouraging sensible and correct use of language, but seriously....that was petty. Even the most diehard grammar nazis must be cringing at that post.