not so convinced on emerge though - it's definitely got its good points, but poor uninstall handling kills it for me.
I like being able to do things like apt-get remove libgtk+ on Debian to remove Gnome entirely. Last time I looked you couldn't do that in gentoo. You'd have to do it the other way round - uninstall everything you'd explicitly installed that used libgtk+ and then let libgtk+ get cleaned up.
I also find the emerge tools to be kind of slow. Not yum slow, but certainly not apt fast. That's not a fatal flaw, but it is kinda annoying sometimes.
I think a perfect package management system would probably be a merge in functionality between emerge and apt.
that way I can then do apt-get install at any time and apt immediately downloads the package I want. I don't have to wait five minutes for yum fuck around doing whatever the hell it is that it does every bloody time - apt lets you do that step once, and then just get on with finding the packages you need after that. And in the case of a full system upgrade, yum saves you 16 keypresses. That's less than 2 seconds of typing. If it really bothered you that much, you could run apt-get update via cron nightly, so that you always had the latest package list when you felt like running apt-get upgrade, and then yum's advantage is entirely gone.
I have not yet found an instance in which yum is faster or better than apt. And if you're doing anything other than just whole system upgrades, yum is significantly more painful to work with. just try searching for a package compared to running apt-cache search
I don't know what world you live in, but in the one I live in explaining how one party acts one way says absolutely nothing about the actions of the other.
How exactly does telling us what the current administration has done imply that the Democrats wouldn't do exactly the same thing if given the chance?
If you vote for someone you don't want in power, then don't be upset when they win.
If there's no one you want to vote for, then don't vote - but otherwise, make sure you properly list your preferences in the true order of your preference. Silly tatical voting just creates exactly the situation you're complaining about.
All government exists in direct conflict with individual liberty, otherwise it wouldn't be a government.
The trick is finding the balance of rights vs restrictions that works best. There is no black and white answer, and statements like yours just indicate the level of newspeak style brainwashing you have been subjected to.
If you ever find yourself thinking "this is opposite to that", or "If this exists, then obviously this other thing cannot exist", or otherwise in binary, then make sure that you take a step back and have a real think about whether or not that is actually true - I think you'll find there's not just a lot of middle ground, but also a whole lot of side issues, and alternate views as well.
Society succeeds through compromise, not dichotomy.
the biggest mistake anyone can make when talking about politics is to think that "liberal" is a point of view. It's not, it's an attitude towards the status-quo, and a desire to not be limited by established thinking.
In a communist society, capitalism would be a liberal idea. In a capitalist society, communism would be a liberal idea. However, like pretty much everything else it does not imply a dichotomy - "take all your money and plant it in the ground to see if it grows" would also be a liberal idea in both a communist and capitalist society, and pretty much every society except for one ruled by the "money tree party", where it would be a view held by arch conservatives.
Republicanism is a liberal idea in most monarchies and heredetary rule would be a liberal idea in a democratic society.
The stupidest thing you can do in a political discussion is start talking about "liberal" and "conservative" as if they actually described a policy. The second stupidest thing you can do is use the words "left" or "right".
zope binds to 8080 by default, and zope is slow - you don't want to serve a byte more than you have to through it - so serving static content through apache (port 80) and dynamic through zope (port 8080) is a very common setup for those that use zope.
The fact that you actually see that just means that they haven't figured out how to use mod_proxy.
> At least Gnome is taking ideas from OS X, and not being a total clone of Windows like KDE is. KDE is not, and has never been a clone of the Windows interface.
The only people who think so are people that have never used it, and that saw the use of the "Windows" QT widget style in screenshots of the original KDE 1. (which people only used because the alternative was the Motif style, and that's just ugly)
Exactly what makes it a clone of Windows? What behaviour that is specific to Windows, and is not a general UI idea used by many other UIs does KDE have?
The user experience offered by KDE is far more useful, consistent, integrated and intuitive than anything provided by Windows has ever been. It is in no way a clone of Windows, it's what windows can only ever dream of being. That's not to say it's original, and frankly I don't care about originality. It's a working environment, not a piece of art. Whether or not someone else has had the ideas in the past doesn't stop them from being good ideas. I just want something that stays out of my way when I don't want to know about it, but lets me do what I want to do when I want to do it, and KDE fulfills that more than anything else I have used so far. (I have not spent any significant time with OS X to know if it might be even better - though I do know that OS X + MS Office = badness)
I'm sorry, I just don't understand what your reply has to do with my post, or the original post you replied to, or even this story. In fact, I'm not sure I understand it at all...
um...no. those tubes are defintely not six feet long if they're a metre in diameter. Six feet is 1.8m - they're definitely not longer than they are wide.
It is actually entirely possible for those of us using metric to understand the relative sizes of legacy measurement systems. Apparently it's not so easy the other way round;)
> My last laptop (a Dell Inspiron 8000) I kept two batteries in (it was a three spindle notebook). This increased the weight, but gave me over three hours of battery life with normal use (it was a desktop replacement that just loved to eat batteries). I would gladly replace one in that notebook with one of these for the extra battery life (if I still had it).
wow, your bettery life really sucked. I had an Inspiron 8600 with two batteries, and I could get at least 6 hours out of it...
My current 9300 can only take one battery at a time, and so I get sucky 2 and 1/2 hour life instead...
But still pretty obscene - they did the best they could, but realised that the world wasn't ready for a realistically proportioned Lara Croft just yet....
> Also, the majority of people don't care about what OS it is. No, that's not true. People buy Macs specifically because there is something different about them that makes them Macs, and it's not the white plastic cases. A Mac running Windows would no longer be a Mac, and there'd be far less reason to buy one.
They may not know what an Operating System is, or that it's the Operating System that's the main difference between a Mac and a Windows PC, but it's definitely the reason they're buying the machine.
gah! see those funny little symbols at the beginning and end of the submission? The ones after the word "writes" and right at the very end? They're called "Quotation Marks". Those symbols, along with the two words at the beginning of the story (which say "NightWulf writes") tell you that CmdrTaco did not say any such thing. They tell you that the submitter, "NighWulf" said it.
Why is that so difficult to understand for so many slashdotters? So often you see the editor blamed for the words of the submitter. A little reading comprehension wouldn't hurt, people!
There's a difference between believing everything they tell you, and believing something that's quite believable.
A company would have to be absolutely insane - SCO level insane - to try something like that, without at least giving you pre-warning by stating that the licenses were time limited.
So I think it's quite reasonable to believe that product activation will not be used to force upgrades. Especially when they have flat out said it will not be.
Now promises as to shipping dates, quality, features and security - THOSE I take with a grain of salt.
But the world is most definitely not black and white. I can be not with you, without being for Microsoft (or the terrorists either for that matter)
Of course it _matters_. All I'm saying is that spouting off about it on slashdot doesn't change how hard it is, and in the end, even if it is hard - if we still get good games, what does it matter us as end users?
Of course, if we don't get good games because it's too hard, then it does matter, but bitching about it on slashdot still won't fix it.
There is no "gotcha" because no one should have been under the impression that you could use all 8 cores just like a regular general purpose CPU core in the first place. Anyone that did have that impression, and was supposed to be developing for the PS3, should be out of a job.
When it comes down to it, any speculation or flaming about how difficult or easy it is to write code for the PS3 is idiotic. It doesn't change the reality of it - difficult or not - and in the end, the games are the only thing that matters.
"You can tune in on your ham radio or police scanner" would have made the assumption that everyone has one of those.
"if you happen to have a ham radio or a police scanner, you can tune in..." (emphasis mine) clearly implies that not everyone has one - even possibly implies that having one would be the exception, not the rule.....
It's not the submitters fault you failed reading comprehension...
Even worse! That very same story appeared on ZD Net Australia two days ago! The horror! Slashdot is really going downhill these days!
or maybe it was submitted to both at once. Personally, I don't read Digg, so I couldn't care less what appears on it, or when.
It seems to me, that if you're compulsively refreshing both Digg and Slashdot enough that you're complaining about slashdot being a couple of hours behind Digg, that maybe there are more important problems in your life that you should be addressing.....
Slashdot Mirror
exactly my feelings as far as yum goes ;)
not so convinced on emerge though - it's definitely got its good points, but poor uninstall handling kills it for me.
I like being able to do things like apt-get remove libgtk+ on Debian to remove Gnome entirely. Last time I looked you couldn't do that in gentoo. You'd have to do it the other way round - uninstall everything you'd explicitly installed that used libgtk+ and then let libgtk+ get cleaned up.
I also find the emerge tools to be kind of slow. Not yum slow, but certainly not apt fast. That's not a fatal flaw, but it is kinda annoying sometimes.
I think a perfect package management system would probably be a merge in functionality between emerge and apt.
> apt-get update
> apt-get upgrade
that's a feature not a bug.
that way I can then do apt-get install at any time and apt immediately downloads the package I want. I don't have to wait five minutes for yum fuck around doing whatever the hell it is that it does every bloody time - apt lets you do that step once, and then just get on with finding the packages you need after that.
And in the case of a full system upgrade, yum saves you 16 keypresses. That's less than 2 seconds of typing. If it really bothered you that much, you could run apt-get update via cron nightly, so that you always had the latest package list when you felt like running apt-get upgrade, and then yum's advantage is entirely gone.
I have not yet found an instance in which yum is faster or better than apt.
And if you're doing anything other than just whole system upgrades, yum is significantly more painful to work with.
just try searching for a package compared to running apt-cache search
I don't know what world you live in, but in the one I live in explaining how one party acts one way says absolutely nothing about the actions of the other.
How exactly does telling us what the current administration has done imply that the Democrats wouldn't do exactly the same thing if given the chance?
If you vote for someone you don't want in power, then don't be upset when they win.
If there's no one you want to vote for, then don't vote - but otherwise, make sure you properly list your preferences in the true order of your preference. Silly tatical voting just creates exactly the situation you're complaining about.
All government exists in direct conflict with individual liberty, otherwise it wouldn't be a government.
The trick is finding the balance of rights vs restrictions that works best. There is no black and white answer, and statements like yours just indicate the level of newspeak style brainwashing you have been subjected to.
If you ever find yourself thinking "this is opposite to that", or "If this exists, then obviously this other thing cannot exist", or otherwise in binary, then make sure that you take a step back and have a real think about whether or not that is actually true - I think you'll find there's not just a lot of middle ground, but also a whole lot of side issues, and alternate views as well.
Society succeeds through compromise, not dichotomy.
the biggest mistake anyone can make when talking about politics is to think that "liberal" is a point of view.
It's not, it's an attitude towards the status-quo, and a desire to not be limited by established thinking.
In a communist society, capitalism would be a liberal idea.
In a capitalist society, communism would be a liberal idea.
However, like pretty much everything else it does not imply a dichotomy - "take all your money and plant it in the ground to see if it grows" would also be a liberal idea in both a communist and capitalist society, and pretty much every society except for one ruled by the "money tree party", where it would be a view held by arch conservatives.
Republicanism is a liberal idea in most monarchies and heredetary rule would be a liberal idea in a democratic society.
The stupidest thing you can do in a political discussion is start talking about "liberal" and "conservative" as if they actually described a policy. The second stupidest thing you can do is use the words "left" or "right".
.... yet
........yet.
........yet.
very true!
Also, Australian policemen are not allowed to rape you in the street...
and the moon hasn't fallen from the sky and wiped out life as we know it.
zope binds to 8080 by default, and zope is slow - you don't want to serve a byte more than you have to through it - so serving static content through apache (port 80) and dynamic through zope (port 8080) is a very common setup for those that use zope.
The fact that you actually see that just means that they haven't figured out how to use mod_proxy.
> At least Gnome is taking ideas from OS X, and not being a total clone of Windows like KDE is.
KDE is not, and has never been a clone of the Windows interface.
The only people who think so are people that have never used it, and that saw the use of the "Windows" QT widget style in screenshots of the original KDE 1. (which people only used because the alternative was the Motif style, and that's just ugly)
Exactly what makes it a clone of Windows? What behaviour that is specific to Windows, and is not a general UI idea used by many other UIs does KDE have?
The user experience offered by KDE is far more useful, consistent, integrated and intuitive than anything provided by Windows has ever been. It is in no way a clone of Windows, it's what windows can only ever dream of being.
That's not to say it's original, and frankly I don't care about originality. It's a working environment, not a piece of art. Whether or not someone else has had the ideas in the past doesn't stop them from being good ideas.
I just want something that stays out of my way when I don't want to know about it, but lets me do what I want to do when I want to do it, and KDE fulfills that more than anything else I have used so far. (I have not spent any significant time with OS X to know if it might be even better - though I do know that OS X + MS Office = badness)
I'm sorry, I just don't understand what your reply has to do with my post, or the original post you replied to, or even this story.
In fact, I'm not sure I understand it at all...
...that's because bash on OS X is the bash on Linux, not a copy.
however, I believe the grandparent post was talking about the graphical user interface, not the command line interface...
What market does Skype have a monopoly on?
um...no.
;)
those tubes are defintely not six feet long if they're a metre in diameter.
Six feet is 1.8m - they're definitely not longer than they are wide.
It is actually entirely possible for those of us using metric to understand the relative sizes of legacy measurement systems.
Apparently it's not so easy the other way round
> My last laptop (a Dell Inspiron 8000) I kept two batteries in (it was a three spindle notebook). This increased the weight, but gave me over three hours of battery life with normal use (it was a desktop replacement that just loved to eat batteries). I would gladly replace one in that notebook with one of these for the extra battery life (if I still had it).
wow, your bettery life really sucked.
I had an Inspiron 8600 with two batteries, and I could get at least 6 hours out of it...
My current 9300 can only take one battery at a time, and so I get sucky 2 and 1/2 hour life instead...
actually, smaller.
But still pretty obscene - they did the best they could, but realised that the world wasn't ready for a realistically proportioned Lara Croft just yet....
Why?
Four words.
Australian Institute Of Sports.
They practically grow government sponsored atheletes here.
> Also, the majority of people don't care about what OS it is.
No, that's not true. People buy Macs specifically because there is something different about them that makes them Macs, and it's not the white plastic cases. A Mac running Windows would no longer be a Mac, and there'd be far less reason to buy one.
They may not know what an Operating System is, or that it's the Operating System that's the main difference between a Mac and a Windows PC, but it's definitely the reason they're buying the machine.
gah!
see those funny little symbols at the beginning and end of the submission?
The ones after the word "writes" and right at the very end?
They're called "Quotation Marks". Those symbols, along with the two words at the beginning of the story (which say "NightWulf writes") tell you that CmdrTaco did not say any such thing.
They tell you that the submitter, "NighWulf" said it.
Why is that so difficult to understand for so many slashdotters? So often you see the editor blamed for the words of the submitter. A little reading comprehension wouldn't hurt, people!
No, you only remember it that way ;)
There's a difference between believing everything they tell you, and believing something that's quite believable.
A company would have to be absolutely insane - SCO level insane - to try something like that, without at least giving you pre-warning by stating that the licenses were time limited.
So I think it's quite reasonable to believe that product activation will not be used to force upgrades. Especially when they have flat out said it will not be.
Now promises as to shipping dates, quality, features and security - THOSE I take with a grain of salt.
But the world is most definitely not black and white.
I can be not with you, without being for Microsoft (or the terrorists either for that matter)
Of course it _matters_.
All I'm saying is that spouting off about it on slashdot doesn't change how hard it is, and in the end, even if it is hard - if we still get good games, what does it matter us as end users?
Of course, if we don't get good games because it's too hard, then it does matter, but bitching about it on slashdot still won't fix it.
There is no "gotcha" because no one should have been under the impression that you could use all 8 cores just like a regular general purpose CPU core in the first place.
Anyone that did have that impression, and was supposed to be developing for the PS3, should be out of a job.
When it comes down to it, any speculation or flaming about how difficult or easy it is to write code for the PS3 is idiotic. It doesn't change the reality of it - difficult or not - and in the end, the games are the only thing that matters.
"You can tune in on your ham radio or police scanner" would have made the assumption that everyone has one of those.
"if you happen to have a ham radio or a police scanner, you can tune in..." (emphasis mine) clearly implies that not everyone has one - even possibly implies that having one would be the exception, not the rule.....
It's not the submitters fault you failed reading comprehension...
Even worse! That very same story appeared on ZD Net Australia two days ago!
The horror!
Slashdot is really going downhill these days!
or maybe it was submitted to both at once.
Personally, I don't read Digg, so I couldn't care less what appears on it, or when.
It seems to me, that if you're compulsively refreshing both Digg and Slashdot enough that you're complaining about slashdot being a couple of hours behind Digg, that maybe there are more important problems in your life that you should be addressing.....