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Gadgets for the Lazy

theodp writes "The Pentagon has found the perfect way to demonstrate it's purely the thought that counts - 700 bugle emulators which sit in real bugles and play 'Taps' at military funerals. The Ceremonial Bugle is just one item in Wired's collection of Gadgets for the Lazy."

233 comments

  1. What I am waiting for by 2.7182 · · Score: 4, Funny

    are diapers with an IP address, so I can log in to them. Not for my kid, for me.

    1. Re:What I am waiting for by unidentified · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sounds like a pretty crappy idea to me.

    2. Re:What I am waiting for by the_denman · · Score: 1, Informative

      personaly I dump my logs to /dev/toilet

    3. Re:What I am waiting for by ironring2006 · · Score: 1

      Just remember to clean up and do a heap dump when you're finished.

    4. Re:What I am waiting for by Reverend528 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I can log in to them.

      best... pun... ever...

    5. Re:What I am waiting for by LocoMan · · Score: 1

      Well, may not be a diaper, but at least it does half the job.. :)

      http://www.mcphee.com/items/10727.html

    6. Re:What I am waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      less cleanup than logging in your own diaper (not remotely) - just take my word for it.

    7. Re:What I am waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (2, Informative)

      A little too informative?

    8. Re:What I am waiting for by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

      It's ok, I compress them and rotate to an empty one

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  2. Slashdot for the lazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    No need to read the article! The entire article is in the summary!

    The editor's are getting the idea now!

  3. Bugles by Chrismith · · Score: 5, Informative

    Didn't read TFA, so I don't know if it mentions this, but the Taps-playing device is not for the lazy, but rather because there is a shortage of actual trumpet players for military funerals. A lot of burials are having to resort to using CD players; at least with these gadgets some of the ceremony is retained.

    1. Re:Bugles by neoform · · Score: 1

      My grandfather had a military burrial, I can tell you those recordings are really horrible, not to mention that it's pretty strange watching someone pretend to play the trumpet at a funeral..

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    2. Re:Bugles by darkstar949 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Concur, and further more there is a shortage of honor guard members available to do funeral details as well. Case and point - when Air Force veterans (anyone that has received an honorable discharge from the military is a veteran of their service) are buried at Ft. Sam Houston National Cemetery the military honors are provided by a team from either Lackland AFB, Randolph AFB, or Brooks City-Base. Even with the military population in San Antonio available there is a shortage of personnel that are willing (and able) to serve on the base honor guards. Furthermore, of those that are on the base honor guards only a small percentage can play the bugle (less than 1% for the region IIRC).

      While an actual live bugler is consider optimal for the funeral details (and madetory for active duty funerals), the digital version is most commonly used due more to logistical reasons that laziness.

    3. Re:Bugles by lambiek · · Score: 1

      The Goon Show (15 March 1954) "The Silent Bugle Player" is the answer

    4. Re:Bugles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second this - my grandfather passed away a few weeks ago, and my reaction was nearly the same. The funny thing was that it was the skill of the bugler (the rendition of 'Taps' was perfect, with incredible vibrato, etc.) that made me look closer and realize it wasn't actually a live performance. It was rather surreal.

      The cheezy thing was watching this poor soldier puff out his lips and pretend to play. I can't imagine how much like frauds those guys must feel. I must admit, however, that it was considerably better than a CD player... that would have been unbearable.

    5. Re:Bugles by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 1

      I think the main point is that people would like to see the demand for bugle players to go down. Trying to find a solution to a lack of bugle players by finding alternative bugles isn't the solution people are looking for.

    6. Re:Bugles by bluekanoodle · · Score: 1
      Didn't read TFA, so I don't know if it mentions this...

      Don't feel bad, you actually did read the "article" seeing as the blurb in the submission WAS the whole article. Must be a slow newsday on /.

    7. Re:Bugles by Golias · · Score: 2

      I think the main point is that people would like to see the demand for bugle players to go down. Trying to find a solution to a lack of bugle players by finding alternative bugles isn't the solution people are looking for.

      So... Just ask all those aging WW II vets to quit dying then? Good idea!

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    8. Re:Bugles by WgT2 · · Score: 1

      My condolences.

      With that in mind, I think I'll tell warn my parternal side of the family to hire a professional (or at least a competent high school/college kid) for when my grandfather dies.

      Thanks for the info.

    9. Re:Bugles by Edzor · · Score: 1

      i always thought it odd the way veterens in the USA get a military funeral?

        in Britian once you leave the armed forces, thats it, thanks old chap. you have to be currently serving to get one.

        one of my grandfathers and 2 great uncles fought in the war and sadly all gone in that 4 years, (great uncle was a spitfire pilot and wasnt a very happy when a doctor grounded him for being colour bling halfway through his 2nd tour! great guy). but none of them would of even expected or want one.

        but different countries different traditions. :)

    10. Re:Bugles by jackrabbit123 · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify this isn't the pentagon being lazy. There are only so many Bugle/Trumpet players in the DOD. Having been the officer in charge of many funerals I'll explain a little of what's given as far as military honors for the Army. For someone who served in a war and later dies (mostly WW2 vets now) they get an NCO and and officer to render honors. They simply fold the flag, and present it to the widow. Taps is played, usually with a CD player, but we're given the "bugle player" when they're available.

      For someone who retires and later dies they receive a team with an officer, NCO, and six soldiers to render honors. The six soldiers render the salute with the rifles. Once this is done, taps is played. Frequently this is done by the device which fits into the bugle like a mute. Before we had these we had to use CD players and it is indeed the thought that counts. The rifle team also doubles as the pall bearers when required.

      A soldier who dies in combat receives a full team with pall bearers, rifle squad, bugler, an officer and an NCO.

      A soldier who receives the Congressional Medal of Honor (before he/she is buried) is given a burial by the "Old Guard" which includes a caisson (horse team).

      The simple fact is that there aren't enough buglers in the Army to attend every funeral for every person that ever served in the Army.

      For all those arguing about trumpets and bugles, they frequntly use a Trumpet for Taps.

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    11. Re:Bugles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for the break down of honors. However as to lack of buglers, there never seems to be a lack of General's drivers, athletic teams etc.

      Maybe bugler should be the primary MOS, and general's driver colateral duty, after all generals were lieutenants once, and had to drive themselves.

    12. Re:Bugles by inKubus · · Score: 1

      So... Just ask all those aging WW II vets to quit dying then? Good idea!

      Or end fucking war.

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    13. Re:Bugles by Golias · · Score: 1

      Soldiers in Iraq are dying about roughly at the same rate as they would be if they were "safely" on-base or at home back in the US. Nothing about the Iraq war is currently putting a strain on the military capacity to hold funerals. The entire problem is that war heroes from previous generations are now dying of old age, and we owe each an every one of them a damn good send-off.

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  4. Wait a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean Gadgets for the Efficient, right? Where's the toilet-mounted one? It would have to be fairly waterproof (I take showers occasionally), and easily disinfected...

  5. Bugle emulators by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 0, Troll

    That could be the single tackiest thing I've seen in years.

    1. Re:Bugle emulators by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not nearly as tacky as someone who can't play the bugle.

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  6. Re:call the local junior high marching band by mboverload · · Score: 1

    Chopsticks is hard you insensitive clod!

  7. As an unemployed bugle player by Local+Loop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As an unemployed bugle player, I find this disappointing. :)

    Seriously though, trumpet is one of the most common instruments taught in High School, and bugles are super easy to play (for a brass player). I'm positive they could find people to do this, they just don't care enough to even look.

    I'd rather have a bad bugle player at a funeral of a friend, then some stupid souless gadget..

    1. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by MBCook · · Score: 2, Interesting
      They can't. I head a story about it a while back on NPR (a year or two maybe). I don't know if it is because you have to attend all those funerals, because of all the practice, or what but they just can't find enough people who know how to play the bugle or will learn.

      They could fix this by ordering people to learn and play at the funerals, but they don't do that (I don't think they should).

      As another poster pointed out, this is better than a CD player (ceremonially).

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    2. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by Theatetus · · Score: 1

      Well, there may be plenty of buglers but they aren't enlisting. It's a good gig: you get E-6 almost right away.

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    3. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I take it you have volunteered to play at military funerals?

      Yeah, that's what I thought ....

      There are a lot of older veterans who want to render honors at military funerals but lack the training, or an instrument, or sometimes the physical strength to play. I for one don't begrudge them this option ... and I think the snarking about it is adolescent at best.

    4. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      but any brass player can play a bugle - at least well enough for this purpose.
      A bugle is pretty much the same as a trumpet, cornet or flugelhorn (closest to the flugel), but with no valves, so it's actually _easier_ to play......

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    5. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by jdhutchins · · Score: 1

      If you're an unemployed bugle player... why not find employment playing at funerals?

    6. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My uncle recently died and had the vfw come out and do the whole 21 gun salute/taps thing before interment. The problem was less of "how hard can it be to play taps" and more of "do you really want to have an 80 year old vet give himself an aneurysm trying to get sound out of that thing?" Also if this had been a few months earlier they'd risk freezing their lips to the mouthpiece. To be honest I thought the speaker thing in the bugle horn looked a bit tacky myself but it didn't sound awful, and didn't detract from the service.

    7. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by HappyEngineer · · Score: 1

      What difference does it make? If it looks like a person playing taps and it sounds like a person playing taps then what conceivable problem is there with the fact that the person is not in fact playing taps?

      The important part is the ceremony and the soundwaves.

    8. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I suspect this is part of a cultural shift in the military. Traditionally, ordinary soldiers have had a lot of time on their hands, because their jobs mostly consisted of practicing their shooting and waiting for the next war. That's why military life is so full of complicated rituals — it used to be difficult to keep all the grunts busy. Bugle playing is not only a good adjunct to rituals, it gives the bugle players something to do. Of course, bugles used to be valuable battlefield communication tools, but that hasn't been the case for almost a century.

      As time goes by, though, soldiers are less and less ignorant cannon fodder and more and more skilled technicians. Learning all the stuff they need to learn is pretty time consuming. So it no longer makes sense for the miltary to maintain time-wasting rituals, like potato peeling and bugle classes.

    9. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by CombatEngineer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Right now there are about 1750 military funerals per day across the country. In 2008 it will peak at 2100 per day (if the stats are correct). Most state National Guard HQ's run a Funeral Honors program. Volunteers work 7-10 funerals a day and get a stipend of 50-60$ per day to cover expenses, most of the guys that I know that perform the duty lose money by the time they pay for gas, food, dry cleaning uniforms etc. Severice organizations (VFW, AL etc) also provide the service with unpaid volunteers. Finding any kind of brass players for that many funerals is very difficult, we're not talking small numbers here.

    10. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by sco08y · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, there may be plenty of buglers but they aren't enlisting. It's a good gig: you get E-6 almost right away.

      It's a real problem for the modern Army. We're moving away from the Cold War structure of having a different MOS for every imaginable job to moving many jobs over to the civilian side of things. Example: when I was in advanced individual training, a guy in my platoon was reclassing from Stinger operator. His one and only job was to hump a Stinger around with him. In his new line of work (and mine, of course) he drives Bradleys, HMMWVs, does forward recon, calls in fire, and is qualified in the Javelin and at least half a dozen other weapon systems.

      Since it's a military funeral, you can't have a civilian do it. Since old veterans die all the time it's a full time job. It seems to me that it's an unavoidable consequence of a necessary change.

      And as much as I respect the tradition, if it were my funeral, I'd really rather not gouge the taxpayers to have someone toot my horn.

    11. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1
      If it looks like a person playing taps and it sounds like a person playing taps then what conceivable problem is there with the fact that the person is not in fact playing taps?

      Hey, if it looks like a person singing and performing, and it sounds like a person singing and performing, then what conceivable problem is there with the fact that the person is actually lip-synching? I mean, other than the fact that they're completely lying to their audience?

      Well, I suppose if you're the kind of person who believes that perception is more important than substance, then I guess there is no problem. If you're the kind of the person who believes in doing something _right_, then you should find this kind of attitude downright dishonest.

      Granted, I'm not the type of person who really gives a damn about a symbolic performance like bugling taps. But I will acknowledge that such symbolism is _very_ important to a lot of people, especially when they're burying a loved one who died in a non-peaceful way, and to pretend that a "fake" performance is as good as a real one is a really cynical insult.

    12. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by erlenic · · Score: 2, Informative

      When I was at Scott AFB, we had a band on base (which is getting rare, at least in the Air Force.) In the 1.5 years I was on the Honor Guard, the band was only able to send a trumpet player ONCE, out of the over 100 funerals I was in. The only way to meet the demand would be to have at least 6 players assigned to each base for funerals only. That's simply cost-prohibitive.

      Like others have said, the emulators are much better than the old system. We did literally use a CD player. With these emulators, you can hold the bugle with your hand covering the end, and press the button before lifting it to your mouth. It waits about 3 seconds before it starts playing. Someone would have to look closely to tell you weren't playing.

      As for the people who have mentioned that they'd take the job, go to the nearest National Cemetery and ask if they have buglers on staff. At Jefferson Barracks in Missouri, they had several of them, and they made good money. I think it was $35 per funeral, and they'd do 3 an hour.

    13. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by jftitan · · Score: 1

      Then, by any chance... will they find more bagpipe players?

      I personally want a bagpipe pleyer... Thanks to those damn highlander movies, and other irish/scottish based flick that has a funeral, the bagpipes sound much better.

      Again... screw the trumpet player (I used to play Trombone, Baratone, and Trumpet), get a bagpipe player any day. One man show every time... How often do you see a man in a dress.

      (its a joke... laugh!)

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    14. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great - the Army is willing to hire you immediately :)

    15. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by bagsc · · Score: 1

      It's mostly a demographic problem - there are a lot more old veterans dying than today's smaller miitary can accomodate.

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    16. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by damiam · · Score: 3, Informative
      especially when they're burying a loved one who died in a non-peaceful way

      To be fair, I think that active-duty casualties still get a real bugler. AFAIK, these devices are for (much more common) veteran's funerals.

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    17. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by Pudusplat · · Score: 0
      It's quite obvious that you're trolling but...
      The total number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq through Tuesday, March 21 since the start of U.S. operations to topple Saddam Hussein on March 19, 2003, was 2,319, according to official figures issued by the Department of Defense, a rise of 49 in the past 39 days or an average of just over 1.3 killed per day. source
      Most of these military funerals have absolutely nothing to do with Iraq. There's a lot of people in the military. Like civilians, they have the unfortunately tendency to get old and die. Not really much you can do to stop that...
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    18. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by operagost · · Score: 1

      I played at my father-in-law's funeral (Vietnam vet), and I have never been in the military. So perhaps this requirement can be waived by the family. That being said, I performed it antiphonally with a friend of the family who is in the Navy (still unusual, because the deceased was in the Air Force and had an Air Force personnel performing the flag ritual).

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    19. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by nuntius · · Score: 1

      Was that trollbait? These funerals are for WWII, Korean, and Vietnam vets. Funerals for active duty soldiers are less than 1% of the total.

    20. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by operagost · · Score: 1

      Ashley Simpson, is that you?

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    21. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by CreateWindowEx · · Score: 1
      Gee, and to think we're "winning" the war!
      I admit the first thing I thought of was Iraq when I saw that article, but the current estimate is "only" 2399 US Military deaths in Iraq since the war began in March '03. While tragic, that is still a very small fraction of 1750 per day--the bulk of the remainder must be older soldiers dying of natural causes.
    22. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by HappyEngineer · · Score: 1
      Hey, if it looks like a person singing and performing, and it sounds like a person singing and performing, then what conceivable problem is there with the fact that the person is actually lip-syncing? I mean, other than the fact that they're completely lying to their audience?
      That's not really a great example. I personally don't understand why people are upset by that. Milli Vanilli (sp?) sounded good to me. They looked kind of cool. What's the big deal that the music video acting and the singing were done by different people?

      When you watch a movie, are you upset to learn that a stunt double was used during certain action sequences? Do you feel that the audience is being lied to by making it look like it was really Bruce Willis who jumped from the top of the building?

      Well, I suppose if you're the kind of person who believes that perception is more important than substance, then I guess there is no problem. If you're the kind of the person who believes in doing something _right_, then you should find this kind of attitude downright dishonest.
      What substance? It's a show. The show IS the substance. It's only dishonest if the person who paid for the bugler was deceived. And even then it hardly makes any real difference.

      The audience got a show (albeit, a solemn one at a funeral, but it's a show nonetheless).

      Music, acting, and any other type of performance is entirely superficial. The play is the thing.

    23. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by HappyEngineer · · Score: 1
      Ashley Simpson, is that you?
      Good example. I don't see why people were upset by that whole silly thing. Even so, the pathetic thing is that she sucks even when someone else is singing for her. Or was she lip syncing to her own singing from a studio? It doesn't matter. She sucks regardless.
    24. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by Fred_A · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If they went with the time and had ceremonial kazoo players, they wouldn't have this kind of problem.
      But of course since it's the military they had to pick some overly complicated expensive gadget that nobody can use. Bloody typical.

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    25. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      Considering the various instruments USED to be used for chivalrous/manly announcements of "let the sanctioned slaughters and mayhem commence", to sound taps, and reveille and so on it would not be "dignified" to switch to PRC-25s, clicking the mic button to make music. Neither would pantomiming "hit team" hand signals, darting around tombstones with cammo paint on face.

      Seriously, tho, a nation that can spend BILLIONS on sky, sea, and ground weapons systems can spare a Few people and PAY them. The government could take some of those who face jail or military service and turn them into buglers...

      (Never mind the BS the services say about the "new (service branch) only takes clean people with diplomas...", as of 2001, I heard an NPR program in which a enlisted Sailor aboard a carrier (CVN) in the Mid East area said he was in the navy ONLY because it was that of jail, and something to the effect that he wanted food and a hot shower every day...He was very much rebuked by his department head and accessibility to him by the journalist was cut or heavily monitored.)

      I suppose, one day we'll find out the use of CDs was a ( CLASSIFIED: S E C R E T ) scandalous cover to reduce the risk of returning "war" vets from suiciding just before or after taps. THAT would be a HELLUVA way to express disappointment with recent duty assignment in front of the public. ... It's kinda shameful tho, MOST of those who died in the past 15 years did over oil or hegemony or such. The LEAST these US powermongers can do is enlist somebody who is a skilled musician and keep them on call to play taps. If anything, batch up the burials as much as possible (with the families understanding, hopefully) and then have the bugler play for an en masse interment and then fly him or her to the next burial ceremony. I mean, jeez, Oregon (Portland I think) has on an on-call list a clinician or psychiatrist/suicide prevention specialist who is capable of speaking KLINGONESE, because ONE person (deranged, hallucinating, whatever) was rambling and noone could communicate with the person. Somebody figured out the individual was speaking in Klingon. From that point, Oregon has had the ability or legislated the ability to have a Klingon-conversant specialist be summonable to save a life.

      Maybe someday, well have multi-lingual politicians who can actually THINK in common sense and dignity for those who die to protect their wealth and power bases. Probably would make many of the younger sailors, soldiers, and airmen/women say, don't drape me in or give to my family a flag unless I get a flesh and blood bugler.

      However, I don't know what would be worse: having a war/IED-frazzled trooper or grunt or specops guy rotated to VA or such to blow taps (they might break down and suicide on the spot) or have some conscripted-otherwise-jailbound musically-inclined/gifted not-really-served/ unseasoned/no-action individual in a crisp uniform blowing taps.

      It's quite "seedy" to inter men and women via a "CD bugler". Kinda fucked up, if you as me.

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    26. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      FRICKIN LAMENESS FILTER (seems/though "" quoting would work....)

      RTTUZYUW 20060430-0115 ... 0723 "
      From: COMNAV...
      To: sdfw " ekl "
      SUBJECT: Issuance of Kazoos in Replacement of CD Gadgets and Bugles
      SSIC: 23532
      REF: " Budget Reductions "

      INT WTF??

      Kazoo Players for Taps?

      I just had a sick though:

      Ship, far from home with chillers and freezer units damaged from pernicious and incessant enemy direct action commencing burial at sea evolution. At the last minuted, the Duty MAA arrives to the fantail:

      Sir, regret to inform you that the Signalman of the Watch reports that our only bugle has been damaged by casualties sustained related to the enemy attack. However, Petty Officer Jackson reports he has a kazoo in his bunk locker. Seaman Ishihara has a shakuhachi -- a kind of 4-foot long Japanese flute-- and Ensign McCaullay has partially-functional bagpipes.

      What happened to the CD's from the USGPO we got last quarter?

      Misrouted, sir. We got some culinary and navigation update CDs.

      NNNN
      0723

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      I somehow have a feel a kazoo would be QUITE undiginified... A shakuhachi flute t,ho, would move the crew to tears... if played by someon with the skills of Kazu Matsui (he played the opener for the film/movie "Southern Comfort", and he features with his wife, Keiko. That instrument moves me like no other does... And at a funeral, it would be QUITE depressing... might send the crew to mutiny and refuse to fight anymore.

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    27. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1
      I personally don't understand why people are upset by that.

      I guess that makes clear that you feel that the substance is irrelevant as long as the perception is maintained.

      What's the big deal that the music video acting and the singing were done by different people?

      Maybe because they didn't actually tell people that was what they were doing, i.e., they were lying to their audience? Most people don't like being lied to, and they _will_ do what they can to punish such people.

      When you watch a movie, are you upset to learn that a stunt double was used during certain action sequences? Do you feel that the audience is being lied to by making it look like it was really Bruce Willis who jumped from the top of the building?

      Completely irrelevant, since most people don't expect the actors to perform those scenes themselves. In the rare case where the actor DOES have a reputation for performing such stunts (e.g., Jackie Chan), people would be very upset if he _claimed_ he had performed them, but it later turned out that a stunt double had done it.

      Music, acting, and any other type of performance is entirely superficial. The play is the thing.

      B.S. An important part of what makes a live performance special is an appreciation for the skill & training that the performer is demonstrating (and creativity, if the performer is improvising). Knowing that the performance is the equivalent of a recording significantly reduces the value of that performance, for both entertainment & symbolic purposes.

    28. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by CombatEngineer · · Score: 1

      Not trolling at all. My numbers are for total military funerals per year that are performed. These are for regular service members, retired service members etc that have earned the right to a military funeral. Nothing to do with Iraq or politics.

    29. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by martinX · · Score: 1

      Have I got this right: you think the kazoo would be undignified, but the shakuhachi flute played by someone named kazu is OK?

      How about if the kazoo was played by someone called Shakuhachi?

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    30. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am very thankful to the grunts and the potato peelers and all the troops for your freedom to mouth off like that, because that's the same freedom that makes me proud of my country.

    31. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by HappyEngineer · · Score: 1
      I guess that makes clear that you feel that the substance is irrelevant as long as the perception is maintained.
      I feel that way only within the context of entertainment where the perception is the only thing that matters.
      Completely irrelevant, since most people don't expect the actors to perform those scenes themselves.
      And why do people have that expectation? For whatever reason I simply do not have that expectation of musicians any more than I do of actors.
      In the rare case where the actor DOES have a reputation for performing such stunts (e.g., Jackie Chan), people would be very upset if he _claimed_ he had performed them, but it later turned out that a stunt double had done it.
      I have extra respect for Jackie Chan in the same way that I have respect for anyone who is good at multiple difficult things. Being a stunt guy is hard work as is acting, so I definitely have respect for him. However, knowing that Jackie Chan does his own stunts does not in any way influence my opinion regarding his movies. I know what you're trying to say and I guess I'll just have to respectfully disagree. I personally would feel cheated if a great singer wasn't popular simply because she was ugly or just had a horrible stage presence. If people normally expect musicians to do it all then I guess I just do not like that that is the case. I guess my real issue is with your original complaint where you said something about it being soulless. I simply do not in any way believe that a fake bugler is soulless in a context where the bugler isn't even the point of the gathering.
    32. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... I was thinking of Mr. Magoo and Kazoo and such. I suppose a kazoo would be better than most of the other wind instruments on shown on this page:

      http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wind_in struments

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      As for shakuhachi... I don't know that nor think it is a proper or even a given name for the average Nihonjin. Kazu is a real, talented, gifted artist. The spellings are different, but in Nippon, I suppose a FEW people might in a drunken state poke fun at him if he showed up at a session with a kazu. But, they might say/ask, "Kah-zhu-o San... Nani-o/Nanji des(u)ka...", and he'd likely reply, "Kuh-zhoo des(u)...", to which another obligatory reply might be... "Soo des(u).... cool..."

      But, as a veteran of the USN, I am imagining people would rather some massive/hunkin power-projecting ear-splitting-capable instrument rather than a pocket-sized gizmo... I could be wrong...tho...

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    33. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by mgblst · · Score: 1

      I imagine the shortage comes from the fact that having to play the same tune every day, all day would cause any sane person to go mad, and kill themselves. I guess if you are going to do it anywhere, a funeral home is the best place to do it.

    34. Re:As an unemployed bugle player by Pudusplat · · Score: 1
      Gee, and to think we're "winning" the war!
      Not trolling at all. My numbers are for total military funerals per year that are performed. These are for regular service members, retired service members etc that have earned the right to a military funeral. Nothing to do with Iraq or politics.


      Ok.
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  8. Re:call the local junior high marching band by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently you haven't heard the local junior high marching band. At least 85% of the time you'd rather have the CD player, I guarantee it.

  9. When Bush passes... by caudron · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...I wonder if they'll get an orchestra to play the theme to the Empirial March or just pop the sound track in the nearest car stereo?

    Tom Caudron
    http://tom.digitalelite.com/politics.html

    P.S. Attended a military funeral a couple of years ago. They played taps on a tape player. This device is a step UP not down from that experience. :-\

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    1. Re:When Bush passes... by Marsmensch · · Score: 1

      Parent comment is sarcastic and probably expressing bitterness over having to attend a military funeral, possibly as a result of decisions taken by the present administration (though that isn't clearly stated). So the parent put some emotion into his comment, and it isnt a cheerful, touchy, feely emotion, does that mean the post doesnt make a comment, even if a slightly inuendous one?

      I feel the flamebait mod is unwarranted and unthoughtful. Seeing a certain irony in the treatment military funerals are given and feeling bitter about it is the parent poster's right.

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  10. National Anthem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "The Pentagon has found the perfect way to demonstrate it's purely the thought that counts - 700 bugle emulators which sit in real bugles and play 'Taps' at military funerals. The Ceremonial Bugle is just one item in Wired's collection of Gadgets for the Lazy."

    How about a Gadget that you can insert into singers that plays the national anthem correctly at sports events?

    1. Re:National Anthem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why bother? It won't make it sound any better.

    2. Re:National Anthem. by DudeTheMath · · Score: 1
      Sing it yourself, American! Learn the lyrics and tune, and sing it loud and proud. I do (except when I'm playing one of the instruments). Teach your kids. Teach the mute lumps around you at the ballpark.

      This is our national anthem, people, it's not entertainment. I don't care how lousy you sound (like singing at church: God gave you that voice, give it right back!).

      I don't even mind if you voted for W; it's his country, too, even if he is trying to eviscerate it.

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  11. Shoe dryer by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    TFA:

    It's not clear how else you would dry your shoes, but this smacks of laziness.

    Personally I think not riding your bike to work because you might get your shoes wet in the rain smacks of laziness but maybe thats just me.

    1. Re:Shoe dryer by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      Stuff your shoes with old crumpled up newspaper and your shoes will be dry overnight.

      I actually jumped in a pool after the last day of school fully clothed with shoes on, and the newspaper thing really works.

      Thanks mom!

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    2. Re:Shoe dryer by rapidweather · · Score: 1

      I get my shoes wet anyway. My car leaks when it rains. Would ride my bike, but there is no decent shoulder on the road there, and so it's dangerous. Parallel bike paths are almost non-existant here, would be a good idea who's time has come considering the high cost of gasoline and other maintenance/required costs of a vehicle.

  12. It doesn't matter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    The Pentagon has literally billions of dollars to spend. For $50000 they could likely hire somebody to practice full-time, and rapidly learn the bugle. When you have thousands of millions of dollars to spend, often without any significant oversight, finding bugle players shouldn't be an issue.

    After all, they're sending these men and women off to die. The least they could do is hire a few people to honor the fallen at their funerals.

    1. Re:It doesn't matter. by crmartin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know what? I grew up in a music store, and played at most all instruments. Fifty grand won't help --- even fifty grand a year won't help. There are only so many people with the "lip".

      We're burying a couple thousand WWII vets a month now....

  13. Re:call the local junior high marching band by jdhutchins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a trumpet player, who has played taps many times, I can tell you taps is *not* the easiest thing to play. While you may be able to get a freshman to hack it out, it requires quite a bit of work to actually sound good. You're also playing very exposed- if you make a mistake, you can't cover it up. And lastly, you're usually playing cold- you haven't played a note for the past half-hour or more. My trumpet teacher thinks taps is the *hardest* thing to play on trumpet, not the easiest.

  14. Unfortunately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The taps emulator is so much slower that it takes about an hour to finish playing.

  15. To be used in 2003? by Moose,The · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article: "Due to a shortage of actual bugle players, the Pentagon had already ordered 700 of these to be used at military funerals in 2003." To be used in 2003? Are we a bit late on this story?

    1. Re:To be used in 2003? by eln · · Score: 1

      Coincidentally, 2003 is about the time I first heard about this story. It boggles the mind that Slashdot (and Wired for that matter) is presenting this as a new thing.

      Here's a reference to it from 2002.

      You can even Order your own for the bargain-basement price of $500.

      Search for "digital bugle" on Google...this thing has been all over the Internet for years.

    2. Re:To be used in 2003? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, 700? Sounds like someone was expecting to have to perform a few funerals...

    3. Re:To be used in 2003? by bjohnson · · Score: 1

      Yes. Lots of them. WWII vets are dying in large numbers, Korean War vets likewise. Soon all the Boomers who went to 'Nam will be as well...these are millions of men, a large number of whom may ask for a bugler at theior funeral.

      The Army long long ago stopped training *actual* buglers, hence, CD's and this gadget.

    4. Re:To be used in 2003? by mcpkaaos · · Score: 1

      $500 for something lower tech than a Speak-n-Spell...

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    5. Re:To be used in 2003? by tonigonenstein · · Score: 0

      They are not idiots. They are professional murderers who deserve what they get.

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  16. BAd news for bugle players by edwardpickman · · Score: 0

    You know you're having a bad day in the army when they take away your budgle and hand you a rifle.

  17. Speaking of bugle/brass music overplaying... by kitkatsavvy · · Score: 0

    Our brass band was only just playing at our Anzac day service, and RIGHT when we were going to play the reef laying music, the audio guy SUDDENLY decided to play the DAMN music! Instead of a REAL band playing that music, he decided to just press the play button, and we stood there in surprise! That was a pretty low moment, because later on, one of our band guys said the day we won't be needed is the day they have like robots playing and doing the street march LOL!

    Btw, we have plenty of brass players and trumpeter's/buglers here, so we can play our "Last Post" easily if needed.

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    1. Re:Speaking of bugle/brass music overplaying... by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      You guys make wreaths out of reefer there?

    2. Re:Speaking of bugle/brass music overplaying... by kitkatsavvy · · Score: 0

      LOl sorry about that - Wreath's not reefs!! thank you for pointing that out my GAWD! lol

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    3. Re:Speaking of bugle/brass music overplaying... by barefootgenius · · Score: 1

      Its Australia man. Of course they make wreaths out of reefer.

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    4. Re:Speaking of bugle/brass music overplaying... by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      It was funny, though :)

  18. Re:call the local junior high marching band by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Right! They could wake the dead! Waaaait a minute...

  19. uh oh by ninjamonkey · · Score: 2, Funny


    I was thinking to myself "how lazy can people be?" when I realized that I was actively using one of the devices in the article:

    http://www.theemptyroom.com/ST_14.jpg

    : /

  20. Re:call the local junior high marching band by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget the danger of getting bored, forgetting where you are and playing the same phrase twice!



    Tip: try a smaller mouthpiece for easier lip slurs.

  21. Bad layout by spikev · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hate to prove their point, but i find it annoying to have to scroll down under the text to read about the device. I wish there was a gadget to do it for me.

    1. Re:Bad layout by ironring2006 · · Score: 1
      I hate to prove their point, but i find it annoying to have to scroll down under the text to read about the device. I wish there was a gadget to do it for me.

      I hear they now make input devices for your computer that have a neat little device included inbetween the left button and the right button. It's kind of circular with ridges on it. All you have to do is flick your finger down it a bit and the whole screen scrolls down for you! No need to click and drag on the scroll bar or find that arrow button to click on! I think they call it a "scroll wheel" or something like that.

  22. Bulge or Bugle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I so read that as Bulge Emulators...

    1. Re:Bulge or Bugle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I so need one of those.

  23. laziness? by cockytrumpet · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I'm a trumpet player who is graduating a week from today. So I can tell you, if they can't find a real trumpet player, they can't be trying too hard. The studio at my college is about 40 strong, and even most community colleges have studios. I don't think this is a matter of laziness. I'm thinking they just don't want to pay a real musician for the service.

    1. Re:laziness? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Yes, but how many of them are interested in joining the military?

    2. Re:laziness? by flooey · · Score: 1

      I'm a trumpet player who is graduating a week from today. So I can tell you, if they can't find a real trumpet player, they can't be trying too hard. The studio at my college is about 40 strong, and even most community colleges have studios. I don't think this is a matter of laziness. I'm thinking they just don't want to pay a real musician for the service.

      How many of those trumpet players are willing to enlist in the military? Drive a couple hours to random cemetaries in the area to play for 5 minutes every weekend? It's not exactly like it's a job that's very appealing.

    3. Re:laziness? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      I'm a trumpet player who is graduating a week from today. So I can tell you, if they can't find a real trumpet player, they can't be trying too hard.

      How about a trumpet player who is willing to be sent to Iraq?

    4. Re:laziness? by Wildkat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Screw all of you. WW2 vets have been dieing at a rate of 1000 a day up until 2004. It dropped because there were just not as many left to die. No problem though because the 2400 killed in Iraq and 200+ in Afghanistan have picked up some of the slack and the Vietnam vets are just starting to die at significant rates. We take great pains to ensure the family never sees the "device" and Taps is "played" perfectly every time - no missed notes, no errors. This is not like playing at your local talent show. These are very emotional events even for those of us on funeral detail who likely know nothing of the person being buried. It is a solemn tradition we are all proud to participate in. Every time I do one I remind myself that some day someone will do the same for me. Amazon, Google and every other company in the world wont give a dam about you the day after you quit or retire. We take care of our own no mater how long they served. After burying one of my good friends killed in Iraq this year I will never hear Taps without tearing up.

    5. Re:laziness? by erlenic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know how you feel about the emotion. I never had to bury someone I knew, but after doing over 100 funerals, I too cannot hear taps without tearing up.

    6. Re:laziness? by roye · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank you for your service. I can not believe the ignorance of the previous posts that think this is a job for Joe Trumpeter (I say this as never serving). I burried my grandfather (WWII Navy vet) and Taps was played from a CD player. The young sailor presented the flag to my grandmother with a tear in his eye. This is not the place for an outsider. Thank you.

    7. Re:laziness? by malarkey · · Score: 1

      If we can have a fake bugle with a real soldier, why can't we have a real bugle and a fake soldier??

    8. Re:laziness? by Tiger4 · · Score: 1

      We just recently buried one of my uncles, a WW2 vet. He got the flag covered casket, but no military escort at all. The funeral directors had to do the flag folding honors, and my father, 80 years old and a WW2 and Korea vet himself, had to step in and present the flag to the family. He did it as well as he could, considering it has been over 40 years since he had to do it last. "On behalf of the President, the Army, ..."

      The shortage of real military honor guards is real, but it is clear to me that the former members of the military take the responsibility seriously. I've seen the Taps bugles (funeral of a cousin, former USA Colonel). I'm not happy with them, but it is also clear we can't just produce bugle players out of thin air.

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    9. Re:laziness? by Stephen+Maturin · · Score: 1

      Roger that.
      I am currently serving overseas in Afghanistan, but when I was back stateside, I played plenty of funerals, both military and civilian. I am a bagpiper, and was called upon usually for Amazing Grace or Flowers of the Forest. In almost every case I didn't know the family or the decedent, but funeral details require the same dignity and respect that we would wish for ourselves or our own families.
      Semper Fi!

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    10. Re:laziness? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Military funerals are for people who die during service, not veterans.

    11. Re:laziness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh how wrong you are...

      It is for all who have served and had an honorable discharge.

      I am not sureprised the numbers are high. The WW2 guys have to be getting into their 80s-90s...

      I know this and didnt even serve... However many of my family did. They are given the option to have this done. Some take it some dont.

    12. Re:laziness? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps on your side of the pond. Not on ours.

    13. Re:laziness? by xnixman · · Score: 1

      So get off your ass and volunteer to go play the bugle for them! Bring your friends, it would do you all some good.

      I volunteered for, and served on this detail for 5 years while I was in the USAF.

      Why should they pay you? Didn't they prepay that bill with their service?

  24. Re:call the local junior high marching band by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 1

    Even my father had a trumpet (and I think a bugle too) he could play, and he was a pianist (no offense to buglers out there). But honestly, traditions (like playing instruments) are being lost and more and more music lovers would rather download MP3s, remix or synthesize everything. I have a music major friend who can hardly play a thing to save his life and have been working towards his love of music for years... http://www.funnytimes.com/archives/files/20060301. htm

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  25. I'm not sure it's that easy. by r00t · · Score: 4, Informative

    I played trumpet. The bugle is pretty much the same thing, minus the valves. You are thus restricted to a limited set of notes, and must choose your notes by mouth alone.

    The restriction isn't anything like "one octave". It's more like "two notes per octave". To get enough notes to make a decent tune out of that, you'll need some extreme range. Building that range can take a long time. Mouth strength doesn't arrive in a matter of days.

    There would also be something wrong if the bugle player hadn't gone through basic training. He wouldn't be a real soldier without that gas chamber.

    1. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by NitsujTPU · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup. I think that a lot of people critical of this matter don't realize that:

      1) You can't just tell a soldier to learn the bugle and expect anything that is reasonable for a funeral.
      2) You can't just tell a professional musician to stand in the place of a soldier.

      Neither would produce a desireable result.

    2. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      He wouldn't be a real soldier without that gas chamber.

      It's not the real soldiers who have gas chambers. You're thinking of the CIA and their "rendition" flights.

      Gas chambers aren't scheduled for the mainland US for another couple of years, when Haliburton have finished the rest of the detention centers.

    3. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by mcmaddog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Navy likes to call it the "Confidence Room" because it makes you confident your gas mask really does work. When I went through Recruit Training in Great Lakes it wasn't that bad, but you don't want to puke because then you have to stay and clean it up yourself. Also, no one gets to leave until you've all removed your masks and stated your name and serial number (not an easy chore when you're choking up a lung.)

    4. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by jbrader · · Score: 1

      When was that? When I went through in January of '99 they called it the Gas Chamber.

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    5. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, it would be a lot to expect of a bugle player except that songs like "Taps" are written for bugle and consist entirely of open notes on the bugle. Good thing since it has no valves!

      now, find a bugler who can play the Star Spangled Banner or even Happy Birthday on a bugle, and I'd be impressed because most of those notes are just impossible on a bugle

    6. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's that soldier I met in college. He told me that he took out two drill seargents to avoid it.

      Seeing how wide (not fat) he was, I believe it.

    7. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by mcmaddog · · Score: 1

      I graduated in Aug of '05. Also the RDCs are not allowed to take pictures anymore, but they still laugh at you through the windows.

    8. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by tuba_dude · · Score: 3, Informative

      Both of these are true. That's why there are people like me, Marine Musicians. Somebody's got to do it, eh? I've been playing for about 10 years, and I'm on the short end. Most of the Marines I work with have been playing for 15 years or more. There's more to it than just the notes, or just the 'soldering'. There's a balance between the two that only seems to come from experience.

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    9. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      Well, thanks.

      You guys did an excellent job with my grandfather's funeral, and my family really appreciated it.

    10. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by jbrader · · Score: 1

      Mine didn't take pictures, or laugh very much now that I think about it. I think we were their last or second to last division before they rotated back to the fleet and it had lost some of its novelty. I thought it was pretty funny though, prior to that I didn't know you could produce snot at that rate.

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    11. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by kfg · · Score: 5, Informative

      I played trumpet. The bugle is pretty much the same thing, minus the valves.

      I play signaling trumpet, a four foot long natural trumpet. The difference between a bugle and a trumpet is that the bugle is conical in section, having developed from a true horn (like, from the head of a cow) though the post horn (that round thing you see in period movies or hanging from the walls of "theme" restaurants). The closest modern orchestral relative of the bugle is the cornet, which is a valved version of the post horn, as is the, ummmm, horn ("French" Horn to you).

      The restriction isn't anything like "one octave". It's more like "two notes per octave".

      Well, three actually. The fundamental/root, fourth and sixth. Add the octave and you've got four notes to play with in a one octave range. Buy playing "crossed" this gives a low note below root and a major chord a fourth up from the fundamental. American military trumpets are pitched in G and if you go to a keyboard and pick out Taps you'll find that consists simply of a G below C root and a C chord played in third inversion.

      Most bugle calls stick to a one octave range, but the practical range of the instrument is two octaves, although some can push it a bit further. More power to them.

      KFG

    12. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by tgeller · · Score: 1

      Good overview. A very minor quibble: If the low note is G and the chord outlined is C, then the horn is actually pitched in C -- that is, its fundamental is C, not G.

      But you knew that. :)

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    13. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by kfg · · Score: 1

      . . .its fundamental is C, not G.

      No. The fundamental is the natural resonant tone, i.e. the note that would sound if the pipe were part of an organ. In this case G. The notes of the C chord (other than the low G) are overtones, part of the harmonic series of the G.

      The root note of bugle calls is C, because you are playing "crossed," i.e. using some note other than the fundamental as the root note of your scale (this is also what blues harmonic players do, playing in E pentatonic with a harmonica pitched in G diatonic. Irish pennywhistle players will play a whistle pitched in D to play in G, requiring partial holing to produce the C natural, giving a somewhat mournful sound to the tune).

      In band parlance the bugle is a C instrument ( i.e. notated in C, or "concert pitch"), but pitched in G. This odd bit of nomenclature comes about because modern music theory is entirely based on the chromatic scale, but the bugle/whistle/etc are fundamentally diatonic instruments. The relevant theory for such is the Pythagorian.

      And don't get me started on how modern theory has entirely fucked up the concept of modes.

      KFG

    14. Re:I'm not sure it's that easy. by crmartin · · Score: 1

      ... and thanks for all the other funerals, too. Got to be a bunch of green karma stamps in that.

  26. bugle != trumpet by PresidentEnder · · Score: 0
    Everyone keeps pointing out that there are plenty of trumpet players. There are. They also ridicule the military for not hiring these trumpet players to play bugle at funerals.

    The military may deserve ridicule, but they're be even more ridiculous if they hired trumpet players and expected them to bugle. Bugles don't have the button things on top. I don't know exactly how they make different notes; I can make sound on a bugle, but nothing more than meaningless tooting.

    Trumpeters aren't bugle players any more than organists are pianists or floutists are bassoonists, as far as I know.

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    1. Re:bugle != trumpet by Ritchie70 · · Score: 4, Informative
      I'm guessing you aren't a trumpet player, either. The "button things" are valves. When pressed in various combinations, the length of the pipe varies, allowing more variation in pitch. But even without pressing any of the valves, you can play a variety of notes.

      I played trombone in high school, and "Taps" is easily played without any valving (or slide, in the case of the trombone) changes. If the mouthpieces are the same, a bugle is just a simple trumpet.

      I read somewhere that prior to the invention of the trumpet valves, similar versatility would be achieved by owning multiple bugles or having multiple bugle players, each with a different bugle. Different length of tubing = different notes you can play.

      It's my guess that there isn't a shortage of competent players in the country (any high school with a band program should have several) but a shortage of MILITARY bugle players. You don't send the 16-year-old kid with long hair to play taps at the funeral; you want the adult, with short hair and military uniform. This device lets any military-type person play taps.

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    2. Re:bugle != trumpet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You couldn't be more wrong.



      Bugles have same 6 (officially) resonant frequencies as a trumpt (key differences aside)



      The only difference is that a trumpet has keys to change the tube length, letting you start at one of the 6 resonant frequencies and drop it a half step at a time. Think about it. Trumpets have 3 keys in with two positions. That's only
      8 notes (7 actually for technical reasons). They change "note ranges" the same way a bugle player changes single notes.
      For example, playing Taps on the trumpet uses no keys at all.



      They really are the same - except that there are a lot cheap bugles out there sound terrible and have really awful mouthpieces. Otherwise they are the same.


    3. Re:bugle != trumpet by Will_Malverson · · Score: 1

      Actually, a bugle is the equivalent of a trumpet with all the buttons locked in the 'up' position. A bugle is therefore limited to a subset of the notes that a trumpet can play, and all bugle songs are made up of that subset. A trumpet player can play a song on the bugle -- especially a simple one like 'taps' -- without any training beyond maybe a five-minute practice session.

    4. Re:bugle != trumpet by cailyoung · · Score: 1

      A bugle is exactly the same as a trumpet, it just has less notes it can play. When a trumpeter needs to play much higher or much lower notes, they make a subtle adjustment with their mouth to shift the register they're playing in. The notes accessible to a bugle are all fundamentals or harmonics of the size of the bugle; which is why all bugle songs have the same notes in them. Any brass instrument player could easily play a bugle, ignoring the smaller mouthpiece.

    5. Re:bugle != trumpet by lonasindi · · Score: 1

      the trumpet and the bugle are very closely related. a trumpeter has the skills required to play bugle, however they're not necesarrily well-honed. A buglist changes pitch by changing the shape of his lips etc, a trumpter does this to some extent already. I'd say it's more like a bass guitar player to an upright bass player, some of the skills are there, but there's more to learn.

    6. Re:bugle != trumpet by kklein · · Score: 1

      Taps is played without valves on a trumpet. Any trumpet player can play Taps on a bugle. That's why everyone is talking about trumpet players. Because they know more than you, not less.

    7. Re:bugle != trumpet by jdhutchins · · Score: 1

      As other people have said before, a bugle is exactly the same as a trumpet that you can't push the valves down on. A trumpet player's bugle skills are just as fine-honed as their trumpet skills are. Every trumpet player uses his lips to change notes too- otherwise you could only play 7 notes on the trumpet. I've played taps many times, and never used a bugle- I always use my standard Bb trumpet to play taps- and it doesn't sound any different.

    8. Re:bugle != trumpet by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      Now I may be a lowly woodwind player (I play mostly out of the clarinet family) but you're not quite right. Most of today's brass instruments have some kind of variable length tubing; most obvious is the trombone, where a slide changes the length of the instrument, but the valves in trumpets, tubas and euphoniums open up extra sections of tubing, effectively lengthening the instrument. This is one way for brass players to change pitch. However, there are only three or four valves on most instruments, which would give at most eight distinct pitches.

      But for each valve combination a brass player can actually produce many different notes; the player can play any pitch whose wavelength is a multiple of the instrument's length. The result is that for each fingering the player can produce a harmonic series: a fundamental note (usually very low), one octave above it, up a fifth, up a fourth, up a major third, up a minor third, and so on (these are approximate; or, one might more accurately say, modern even-tempered tuning systems produce approximations of the perfect harmonic intervals).

      If you listen to bugle music you'll notice that only the notes of one harmonic series are used; in "Taps", for example, overtones 2, 3, 4 and 5 are used. If a trumpet player played "Taps" his or her fingers would not move; the trumpet player could, with some practice to adjust to the instrument, play exactly the same way on the bugle.

    9. Re:bugle != trumpet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trumpeters aren't bugle players

      You obviously don't have too much of an idea what you are talking about.

      Yes they are, basically. (Note that the inverse may not be true, because - as you pointed out - there are no valves on a bugle, and a trumpeter should know how to operate those)

      A bugle is nothing than a trumpet without the valves, and the principle of sound creation is exactly the same. Those "button things on top" obviously are not enough for full multi-octave chromatic scales, so the "lipwork" on a trumpet is the same as on a bugle, you just get additional flexibility.

      I propose you go and learn about the principle of just every brass instrument out there - you'll find it to be always the same.

      Oh, and yes, IAAT (trumpeter)

    10. Re:bugle != trumpet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't just for the lazy. My grandfather's funeral had one of these. A qualfied bugle player stood inside the building we were in (with very loud echo) and used the device to not blow our ears off.

    11. Re:bugle != trumpet by nule.org · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm a trumpet player. There's no practice involved - just hold down valves 1 and 3 and you're playing a bugle.

    12. Re:bugle != trumpet by PresidentEnder · · Score: 1

      And it would appear that I was quite badly wrong.

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    13. Re:bugle != trumpet by wed128 · · Score: 1

      Actually it does sound different. A Bb trumpet has a generally brighter sound, while a bugle sounds duller and warmer.
      (I was a bugler for the boy scouts and a Bb trumpet player in my high school's Marching Band)

    14. Re:bugle != trumpet by Wizard+Drongo · · Score: 1

      No, they couldn't.
      I am a trombone player. A fairly good one.
      I can't play bugle, and if I wanted to, I would have to give up playing trombone for a year or so to learn, because the mouthpiece on a bugle is vastly smaller than on a trombone or most other brass instruments, the only exceptions being the trumpet, cornet, and flugel horn. Not only that, but even for players of those three instruments, the bugle doesn't have any valves, meaning you only have a set limit of notes that can be played. That said, most trumpet, flugel horn and cornet players should have little difficulty playing the bugle for a funeral. But then, as other people have mentioned, there just aren't many trumpet, cornet and flugel horn players in the military. You can't just get any 16-year old hippy with long hair that reeks of pot to do this; it has to be a member of the service of the deceased. Having being to and participated in military funerals (needless to say Rememberance Day parades as well) here in the UK, I can tell you that if an air force member is buried, and the bugler is army or navy, relatives get pissed, and rightfully so. How pissed would they be if some ganja smoking rasta-man comes waltzin along, plays the last post (or taps in the USA) -probably badly, then goes off to take a joint. It just ain't that simple.

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    15. Re:bugle != trumpet by cailyoung · · Score: 1

      I am also a trombone player. An out-of-practice one, sure; and I'm well aware that bugle mouthpieces are far smaller than many brass instruments' - but that's not the point. It isn't the fact that bugling is harder than trumpeting that's causing these shortages; it's that there's that much ceremony (as you have illuminated to me) - if you've got to have a trained serviceman bugling then no wonder there's a problem.

    16. Re:bugle != trumpet by plsander · · Score: 1

      Bugle vs Trumpet...

      There are minor differences in the shape of the horn -- the progression from the mouth piece to the bell.

      Bugles are (usually) in the key of G, Trumpets are B-flat.

      Bugles can have from zero to three valves.

      Like Trumpets, Bugles can have interchangeable mouth pieces. The player can select the size (diameter, bowl size, and bowl depth) that best fits.

      Bugles come in different sizes too - from the Soprano (looks like a typical trumpet) to Contras (looks sorta like a Tuba..)

      - Peter, who's wife and son both play 3rd Sop (bugle) for the oldest competing Drum and Bugle Corps in the US.

  27. Re:call the local junior high marching band by r00t · · Score: 1

    Yep.

    Also, if "cold" is more than figurative, your lips can freeze to the metal. Well, it would have been out of tune anyway...

  28. They don't need to force anybody to play it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please don't forget how much money the Pentagon has at their disposal. It's virtually unlimited.

    For $75,000 they could likely hire at least one sufficiently-qualified bugle player to play at these funerals. Of course, $75,000 is nothing when your budget is tens of billions of dollars. Best of all, nobody would need to be "ordered" or "forced" into playing taps. The financial incentives, if not the honor, would be more than enough.

    The Pentagon could have four or five people who travel and play the bugle at military funerals full-time. They have more than enough funds to locate, train, and employ such people. If anything, it's the least they could do for those they have sent off to die in war.

    1. Re:They don't need to force anybody to play it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $75,000? Who are they hiring?

    2. Re:They don't need to force anybody to play it. by moorcito · · Score: 1

      Sure. Since these Bugle emulators should last at least five years, so by your reasoning, hiring 5 people to play would cost $375,000. So they'd end up spending more for real people to do the job, but it's only the tax payers money, and it's virtually unlimited so who cares, right?

    3. Re:They don't need to force anybody to play it. by menacing_cheese · · Score: 1

      There are thousands of WWII and Korea vets dying every year. Five people wouldn't be nearly enough to cover all the funerals. Not to mention that with a small number of bugel players you'd have to fly them all over the country so you'd have to factor in travel costs as well. It does kind of suck that they have to fake it but its better than a cd player.

    4. Re:They don't need to force anybody to play it. by erlenic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Four or five people wouldn't be enough to cover a few states, much less the whole country. What most people don't realize is that the military is required to perform every funeral they are asked to do, for all active duty and veterans. I only served four years, but I am eligible for honors. I think you have to be dishonorable discharged to lose that right. When I was on the honor guard at Scott AFB, we did over 2000 funerals in 2000. And it just keeps increasing as more funeral homes find out it's required.

      As I (and others) have said before here, this is a hell of a lot better than the CD player we used to use.

    5. Re:They don't need to force anybody to play it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I demand a satanic funeral!

    6. Re:They don't need to force anybody to play it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice Futurama reference.

      I did do a service that I could have sworn was atheist. No mention of God anywhere, and the person who spoke was quoting a philosopher. Kind of interesting.

  29. Neural Implants... by tehcatisdead · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ...and maybe a doItForMe() function that predicts what you're going to want to do and does it for you before you even think of it. Oh, right, we have that now. It's called a representative democracy. Maybe it's not such a good idea after all.

  30. AIBO? by RemovableBait · · Score: 1

    Since when does an AIBO dog count as a gadget for the lazy?

    Gadget for the stinking rich more like.

    1. Re:AIBO? by barefootgenius · · Score: 1

      I dunno man. I'm more worried about what type of love it's offering.

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  31. Bugles Across America by bstory · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because of the shortage of available buglers, a group was formed to help aid the military in properly honoring our veterans. If you need their services, or wish to volunteer, go to the website.

  32. RIAA sues the Pentagon! by SlappyBastard · · Score: 2, Funny

    Damned bugle emulator was playing a pirated mp3 of "Taps".

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    1. Re:RIAA sues the Pentagon! by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

      Pentagon fires warning shot over RIAA's bow.

      Congressional inquiry expected.

    2. Re:RIAA sues the Pentagon! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Taps" was written during the Civil War and first played while converting the battle fields aroung Gettysburg PA into cemeteries. It was written by a soldier, Col Dan Butterfield I believe, for soldiers. He never registered a copyright.

      That said, it is not an easy tune to play well. Most high school musicians can not do it justice, even when they transpose it into a key they can handle. Plus, most of them are still in school and cannot attend funerals every day.

  33. Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bugling is like playing trumpet without pushing the buttons. Any trumpeter of at least high school level could play "Taps" on a bugle.

  34. I guess I'm lazy by moorcito · · Score: 1

    I grant that some of the gadgets are for the lazy, but what about the following:
    Motor lounger - isn't relaxing the point of going to the pool?
    Shoe mops - put on feet, walk, mop or pick up mop, walk, mop. Doesn't seem that lazy to me
    Shoe dryer - how else am I supposed to dry my shoes? Blow on them, place them in the dryer/sun, light a fire?
    Juiceator - how is using this any less lazy than drinking from the carton?
    Electric fly swatterer - You still gotta hit flies with it, this any no Venus Fly Trap.

    1. Re:I guess I'm lazy by rynthetyn · · Score: 1

      Also in the useful category is the wireless oven thermometer. Whoever came up with the list musn't cook much, because if you're trying to cook a roast to a certain temperature, you really don't want to keep opening the oven door and letting all of the heat out just so you can know if your food is done. The wireless oven thermometer helps with energy efficiency because your oven won't have to cycle on as much as if you had to open the door to read the thermometer.

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  35. Sigh.... by rindeee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have to chime in as this is something near to my heart. In fact, a Navy buddy of mine taught himself to play the Bugle a few years back for exactly this reason. Anyway, I begin my list.

    1. To the smart ass that stated that they "can't be looking too hard if they can't find a trumpet player"...it's a bugle, not a trumpet. While I play neither, it is my understanding that a trumpeter cannot simply pick up a bugle and play it (especially well enough to do funeral detail).

    2. Funeral details are NOT fun. After a while, it gets a little depressing. It is constant (not on weekends for 5 minutes as someone said). You stand endlessly in either blazing sun or freezing cold. You're in full dress (the most uncomfortable uniform ever designed). If you've never been to a national cemetary, then visit. There are funerals going on all day, every day, never ending. Families are limited to about 15 minutes at the graveside to make room/time for those processions scheduled behind them. Blah blah blah.

    3. There is a shortage because the bugle is not a common instrument in band these days. Few people who join the military do so to play an instrument, and fewer still that do want to play funerals. Most do a rotation on funeral honors, but more often than not, the task falls to Reservists and retirees.

    It's sad, but at least having someone stand there and hold a bugle while appearing to play it is better (to the grieving families) than having someone hit play on a boom box. Unless there are plans to have compulsory bugle duty and compulsory funeral detail, I think this is about the best solution that can be reached.

    1. Re:Sigh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      War isn't fun either, especially after you've taken a piece of shrapnel or lost a limb or two. Of course, then you're lucky you're not dead.

      Having to stand and play a bugle in uncomfortable clothes, sometimes in bad weather, doesn't sound so bad now, does it?

    2. Re:Sigh.... by paiute · · Score: 4, Informative

      While I play neither, it is my understanding that a trumpeter cannot simply pick up a bugle and play it (especially well enough to do funeral detail).

      Yes, it is obvious you play neither. I played trombone and taught myself some trumpet/french horn/baritone back in the day. One brass instrument is faily similar to another once you learn slide positions/valve combinations and train your lips to fit the different sizes of the mouthpieces. I can play you taps on the trombone, trumpet, bugle, flugelhorn, baritone, tuba, french horn, etc. Taps is the chopsticks of brass instruments.

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    3. Re:Sigh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. To the smart ass that stated that they "can't be looking too hard if they can't find a trumpet player"...it's a bugle, not a trumpet. While I play neither, it is my understanding that a trumpeter cannot simply pick up a bugle and play it (especially well enough to do funeral detail).

      You have no clue.

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=184462&cid=152 30344

      I really should get a /. account these days...

    4. Re:Sigh.... by Local+Loop · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm that smart ass. At least one of them.

      While I play neither

      Clearly. I play both, and can assure you that they are nearly identical. Bugle playing is trivial for a trumpeter. Low brass players can pick it up in a few days.

      It's a matter of respect. The govt. should be willing to spend the money to get this job done properly, out of respect for the families.

      It's wonderful, inspiring, and beautiful that the VFW folks come out to do this for free. But they shouldn't have to. The govt., with it's billions spent on war, should pay for this simple, inexpensive tribute. The fact that they don't reveals the true cynical priorities of the people in charge.

      There are plenty of working musicians out there who would love to spend a weekend honoring the families. But you do actually have to pay these guys. And $60/day just isn't going to do it.

      I actually agree that it's better than nothing. Someone posted above about a VFW fellow coming out and using one of these devices. To my mind, it's incredibly touching to have someone come out and do that. But it's hard to get around the fact that after a lifetime of service, the Govt. can't be bothered to fund such a simple and profound ritual.

      I also feeled compelled to point out that it is very shortsighted to skimp on this cost. A military family who is offended by a cheap funeral is less likely to retain whatever warm fuzzies they have about military service, and less likely to encourage the next generation to enlist.

    5. Re:Sigh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There are plenty of working musicians out there who would love to spend a weekend honoring the families. But you do actually have to pay these guys. And $60/day just isn't going to do it.

      Perhaps, but are they willing to join the military? It needs to be performed by a military funeral honors team, military service personnel, or a veterans organization.

    6. Re:Sigh.... by damiam · · Score: 1

      The military can't just hire civilian musicians to play at a military funeral; they have to use enlisted soldiers (or veterans). The idea is that the military saying goodbye to one of its own.

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    7. Re:Sigh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Unless there are plans to have compulsory bugle duty and compulsory funeral detail, I think this is about the best solution that can be reached.

      Given the current state of the military, bugle and funeral detail sound like a good idea.

      In seriousness, for the cost of a single F-15, everybody's hero grandfather gets buried on the peaceful end of a real Taps. Is it a hard decision?

      Oh wait. We could simply just not invade another country, and pay for the buglists with those funds.

      ...silence...

    8. Re:Sigh.... by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      "The military can't just hire civilian musicians to play at a military funeral"
      IS something wrong with that idea?
      I think it is.A perfect audio recording of Taps,or a civilian playing Taps isn't somehow suffiecient even if performed perfectly?
      The ceremony is a show.It has symbolic purpose only.In that specific culture(which DETERMINES EVEN : player of instrument X specifically to perform specific song Y) setting.
      Making an easier ceremony by not using real players (which are rare in the military ,on slashdotters posts) is
      improving efficiency and should be encouraged instead of blatant claims of anti-patriotism or something in that venue(such as "goverment doesn't want to pay" for real players).

      A Tape/CD is clearly cheaper and more efficient.It the technological progress
      which they refuse to acknowledge and insist on keeping the 'old customs' and
      "proper flag-waving" in traditional, conservative way.A conformism atmosphere where deviating from the status quo marks someone as unpatriotic(or is implied).

    9. Re:Sigh.... by r00t · · Score: 1

      The main difficulty for a typical trumpet player would probably be the high expectations that people have for Taps: perfect tone quality, perfect note attack, and oxygen-depriving sustains.

      Merely playing the notes is trivial for a half-decent trumpet player.

    10. Re:Sigh.... by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      One brass instrument is faily similar to another once you learn slide positions/valve combinations and train your lips to fit the different sizes of the mouthpieces.

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but the bugle has no valves or positions, it's all dependent on the strength of the bugler. So no offense, but I doubt you could do it.

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    11. Re:Sigh.... by Arimus · · Score: 1

      Yes there is something wrong with that idea. A military funeral in addition to being for the family is also a chance for the military to pay its last respects to a fallen comerade and to honour that person for giving their life in the service of their country. It is not that a civilian musician couldn't do the job it is that the military would view it as being slightly disrespectful to a fallen comerade.

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    12. Re:Sigh.... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but the bugle has no valves or positions, it's all dependent on the strength of the bugler. So no offense, but I doubt you could do it.

      Actually, he could... I used to play trumpet in high school and we used to play taps for the other team during football games (I remember it distinctly because we were made to stop the practice).

      Its been over 10 years, but I think its like G, G, C.... GG, high C.... I could be wrong about the notation, but a trumpet and brase player plays low C, C, and high C without changing the the valves.

      Its been years since and I looked at taps on wiki and realized I can't read music notation anymore, but I think that looks like a G, G, C and then G, G, high G. I think G and C where all open valves... I remember E was valve two and 3 maybe? Its been too long so any one with trumpet background correct me.

      We used to have challenges who could get a Double high C or even a triple (only one guy could do that and he went on to be a professional Drum core I think),

      Its all in the strength of the lips... The more tight you make you lips the higher the note. Now a Trombone and Tuba player do not have to make their lips as tight (that sounds preverse) as a Trumpet player, but any brass player worth a damn can alternate instruments.

      All they would have to do is just change the pressure of their lips to change the notes just like they would go from low C, C, to high C and then double high C. So yeah... Any trumpet player could probaly pick up a bugle and play it.

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    13. Re:Sigh.... by RabidMonkey · · Score: 1

      I concurr,

      I also was/am a trombonist who has picked up various other brass instruments. I can play taps on any of them. If you can play it on one brass, you can pretty much play it on any. You can play it without touching any valves (or slide).
      It just takes a little bit to get your lips used to the new mouthpiece, and remembering where the notes are.

      It might look difficult, and it's hard to explain positioning your lips and stuff in a tiny mouthpiece, but it's actually quite simple once you've been playing for a bit.

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    14. Re:Sigh.... by rindeee · · Score: 1

      Valid points, all of them. I suppose that this is why tradition is highly valued...becuase it is difficult to maintain for many reasons, not the least of which is finding those persons dedicated enough to uphold it. Enjoyed the feedback. If I don't come back from my upcoming deployment, I do hope that a real bugle is played at my deployment...not a synthesized one. ;)

  36. Re:call the local junior high marching band by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    "for fucks sake. taps on the bugle is the easiest thing to play. its like chopsticks on the piano. all is lost."

    All is lost? I could see that reaction if you were talking about the ice cream cone twirler...

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  37. Shoe mops by Sooner+Boomer · · Score: 1

    A friend recently refinished his wooden floors. When it came time to put the final polish and wax on, he bought several dozen terrycloth socks in various sizes and invited every one over for a skateing party. If you have spills to clean up, get a dog or a cat.

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  38. ummm a bugle is nearly the SAME as a trumpet. by kitkatsavvy · · Score: 0

    The only difference between a bugle and a trumpet is that a trumpet has valves and a trumpet doesn't! Both instruments require the EXACT same pitching and embouchure required for both! They are eXACTLY the same to play, same pitching and everything! The only notes you can get on the bugle are the SAME open valved notes that are on a trumpet!

    How do I know?? I've been playing brass instruments since I was 10 years old - so thats a good 13 years that I've been playing mauahahah!

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  39. Re:I'm sure it's that easy. by tubamaster · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I am not a trumpet player. I was bugler back in Boy Scouts. I picked up Taps on the first day. I have hardly met a person who couldn't work out how to play taps in under an hour of playing. The problem is a lack of effort. Reveille is the call that requires a range and some skill. Any idiot could learn how to play Taps with a little bit of effort.

  40. Great, but it ruins... by swelke · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's great, but it ruins the whole funeral when the guy pushes the "Revellie" (morning wake-up) button by mistake.

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  41. Old news, but... by farmkid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This information (about mechanical bugles) has been out there for a while, so this is NOT current news.

    My father is a WWII vet, and for his birthday two years ago, I (an old brass player) bought a repro 1860 bugle and pledged to play Taps at his funeral. This promise was made specifically in view of the lack of military buglists.

    He loved it. And, if I can keep from crying on that inevitable day, and can firm up the embouchour, I'll be proud to lay him to rest.

  42. Who Cares about Bugles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like how the list has 19 items and everyone is focusing on a bugle story from 2003. It sounds like some people could benefit from the lazy drinker and then crash with your computer in bed

  43. Holton isn't a King by llamaxing · · Score: 1

    I think one guy had it right in here -- bugles/trumpets go cold when not played (all instruments do). The temperature difference can kill the quality of sound the player produces, and by the time his instrument warms up properly, he's already done playing. Also note that if it is too hot outside, the instrument can also go out of tune. Moreover, if the mouthpiece is cold and the chops (lips and mouth) aren't prepared, the bugler can literally tear his lips. It's painful, and if he's playing all day, the sound will degrade tremendously no matter what temperature the instrument is. Last point I want to make is that trumpets and bugles, though very similar in what they are, are not the same. Just because bugles lack valves does not make trumpets a multi-note playing equivalent. I played a King valve trombone, and it felt nothing like my Holton Revelation slide trombone. Although it's technically the same instrument, the two are different musically. That's what seperates a bugle from a trumpet (or cornet, even!). True musicians know what I mean.

    1. Re:Holton isn't a King by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You're splitting hairs. Sure there are subtle differences, but if you had to grab a unfamiliar trombone you could still do the gig. The argument is about the practicality of trumpeters picking up the bugle; tonal differences are irrelevant.

      There are plenty of ways to deal with a cold horn. And you're not going to tear your lips playing taps cold. That's patently ridiculous. I've been playing trumpet for 27 years, and there have been plenty of times when I had to start something cold, or even in the cold, outdoors, below freezing. Even high, loud and fast, borrowed instruments or dinged mouthpieces, It's really no big deal. Just get over yourself and play the damned horn, as former mentor once said.

      As far as tuning, who cares? You're the only instrument out there, you'll be in tune with yourself. If you actually have perfect pitch, then you'll be able to correct with your lip.

  44. I'm a competent trumpet player by nule.org · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'd gladly play taps at any any service member's funeral rather than have some piece of shit plastic gadget insult the memory of someone who risked their life for their country. What a crock of shit.


    Sorry, I'm suddenly pissed off.


    Gah - well, I might as well mention to an above poster that said they play roughly two notes per octave, that's only true in the lowest octave. If I know what I'm talking about, a bugle is roughly equivalent to a trumpet with the first and third valves held down. Regardless of what valves are down for any combination the lowest octave can play two notes with that key combination (8 total), the next octave plays roughly 4 (I'm thinking of the open combo - you *can* play a high Bb open, it just isn't so pretty) and the higher you go the more notes you can play with a given key combo. It's actually pretty complex because some combos mean you can't accurately hit the note without "lipping" it up or down some. Again, a competent player can do so with little effort.

  45. Re:I'm sure it's that easy. by swillden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have hardly met a person who couldn't work out how to play taps in under an hour of playing.

    Agreed. Taps isn't all that hard to play. What is hard, though, is to play Taps *well*. The notes are easy, but smooth, crisp transitions between them and a nice tone require practice. I once attended a military funeral with a bugler who had a nasty, buzzing tone, bobbled note changes and who had a hard time with the high notes. It would have been a better ceremony if they had used a bugling device. The bad redition of Taps was embarassing and distracting. That's okay for evening Taps at camp, but not for a funeral.

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  46. White House claims state secret by SlappyBastard · · Score: 1

    RIAA told to take a ticket behind EFF. EFF and RIAA consider murder suicide pact rather than living in world where they are treated equally.

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  47. Funeral Watch by chrpai · · Score: 5, Informative

    Years ago ( 1992-1996 ) I served with The Commandant's Own, United States Marine Drum & Bugle Corps. I'd like to address two things:

    Funerals

    When we talk about a bugle playing taps we are talking about a "simple funeral" ( a full honors funeral consists of a complete band ) and we are also typically talking about a field music playing taps on a Bb Trumpet because the U.S. Military only has 2 D&B corps left. One is The Commandant's Own in Washington, DC and the other is the U.S. Naval Academy Drum & Bugle Corps. I'm not sure how the USNA D&B works but the USMC D&B has a Duty Music of the Guard and an on-call rotation of upper-voice ( Soprano & Mellophone players ) musicians for funerals. Lower voices ( baritone and contra-bass baritone players ) do not do funerals for what should be an obvious reason. The means there are only several dozen musicans available for funerals and most of them are not available due to other operational committments of the organization. That said, they perform at hundreds of simple funerals per year in the Washington, DC area. The families of the fallen servicemen who receive these last honors are truely the lucky ones. I've witnessed many funerals and they are truely emotiona.

    Thoroughout the rest of the nation simple honors funerals are perfomed by musicians from various field bands of the U.S. Military, national guard bands and volunteers from Bugles across America. They do their best to meet the mission but the sad fact is that WWII veterens are dying at a rate of couple thousand per day. Many unfortunatly, do not get proper last honors.

    Bugles:

    I've seen many posts in this thread with misconceptions of what a bugle is. In the military context the bugles are 2 valved ( pistons ) instruments that are pitched in G. The first valve lowers the pitch by 2 semitones and the 2nd valve lowers the pitch by a semitone. This provides for a full chromatic scale in the instruments middle range. Some notes in the lower registers are missing. Music is written to the treble clef and arranged in SATB format. Typically it's Upper and Lower Lead, 2nd and 3rd Soprano. Upper/Lower Melophones. 1st, 2nd and 3rd Baritones ( 8vb ) and Contrabass Baritone ( 15vb ).

    1. Re:Funeral Watch by UMNbandgeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      As a member of a drum and bugle corps that still uses G bugles, I would like to point out that it isn't the same as playing your normal B flat horn. The partials are not the same, and it takes some time to adjust to the difference. Even so, any brass player with a few years of experience can play taps with good tone. I actually knew a guy who would play taps for funerals in high school, it was a pretty sweet gig, well paying and short (1/2 hour).

    2. Re:Funeral Watch by chrpai · · Score: 1

      I agree. Anyone who thinks they are the same if a friggin bando. That said I love listening to Star's Blast! CD. It's so amazing listening to the horn players switching instruments. You really can hear a clear difference in voicing.

    3. Re:Funeral Watch by The+Conductor · · Score: 1

      Band-O, now there's a word I haven't encountered in a while. For those not familiar with drum corps slang, the term refers to the naive attitudes that new D&B recruits bring with them from their high school marching bands.

  48. Bugles Across America by ckd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Okay, trumpet/bugle/cornet/etc players. Put your instrument where your mouth is and volunteer.

    Bugles Across America needs volunteers.

  49. Simpsons by springbox · · Score: 1

    "I think I just logged onto my inter-net" -Lenny

  50. What I need by serutan · · Score: 1

    What I need is a Productivity Emulator.

  51. Shoe dryers aren't for the lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly nobody at Wired ever skis or winter hikes, because I use shoe dryers in my boots and they're invaluable.

  52. Bugler shortage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A shortage of buglers or an excess of funerals?

    1. Re:Bugler shortage by dukerobillard · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we need to get those WWII vets to stop dying!

  53. Re:I'm sure it's that easy. by grolschie · · Score: 4, Funny
    I am not a trumpet player....
    This is /. so don't you mean IANATP? :-)
  54. Rascal? by jarg0n · · Score: 1

    How was the rascal overlooked??? http://www.rascalscooters.com/

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    1. Re:Rascal? by stjobe · · Score: 1
      How was the rascal overlooked?

      Maybe because it's not a "Gadget for the Lazy", but a tool to help the elderly and the disabled to still lead a somewhat mobile life?

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    2. Re:Rascal? by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      From the huge fatasses I see using the grocery store version, the ones with a box of twinkies AND a box of Ho-Hos, I'd say they could be construed as a tool of the lazy.

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  55. Your sig by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Cut a few lightning rod grounds and a lot more people will be hit by lightning.

  56. Clearly the military needs to save money by jfern · · Score: 1

    Every $3500 saved allows us to stay in Iraq for another second. The decision is obvious.

  57. Most of these items have useful functions by maggot+the+shrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wired has a long and annoying history of making kneejerk lists that reflect an ignorance of the world around them, particularly the fact that there are a lot of people with special needs.

    In this article they are clearly targeting, as forms of social criticism against people who are lazy:

    1. The Motor Lounger: something for genuine lazy tards

    2. Ice-cream turner: A gag gift

    3. Computer in bed: Something that any geek who has ever been confined to a bed would drool over (but I guess we don't care about invalids).

    4. The bird 2.0: Another gag gift (I mean, did someone with no sense of humor write this humorous article about lazy people gadgets)

    5. Body dryer: Again, I guess we have never heard of invalids. Because of this article I am going to buy one of these for my grandmother who cannot lift her arm over her head to dry her back or hair (I guess ignorance and narrow minded bigotry does yield some edible fruit).

    6. Bugle emulator: Since the whole thread is about this one I'm going to leave it alone

    7. Shoe mops: I guess this was a candidate. I'd have put the Chopsticks fan http://www.mindbreakers.com/mb/img/invention7.jpg in its place, but I don't think the writer was trying too hard to find things that are genuinely about saving effort.

    8. The Disc Pod: Well, I can't think of a useful purpose for this one

    9. Lazy drinker: As a former caterer I can tell you that this would save thousands and thousands of dollars over a year. This is clearly not aimed at the home user.

    10. Sushi machine: Same story. This is for people who have to feed lots of people regularly for cheap. Not for yuppies trying to live an urban lifestyle in their kitchen.

    11. iPod bed: Yup. This is a gadget for the spoiled and lazy.

    12. AIBO dog: I am curious what it says about the editor of the column that he thought the AIBO dog qualified for this article. It's a toy, dumbass.

    13. Wireless cooking thermometer: I guess the author likes leaning into a blazing hot oven trying to read a mechanical gadget that's not accurate and only slightly cheaper than this item. I mean why not dispense with tools altogether and just eat it raw. Really, is this seriously supposed to save time somehow? I guess we could all go back to mechanical watches too since digital is just soooo lazy, natch the fact that they are more reliable, last longer, can be read in the dark and cost a fraction of the price.

    14. Shoe dryer: Do people get their shoes wet often enough to need this? If they do then, yes, I think it would be genuinely useful. Last tme I got my shoes wet I put them by the radiator and they took three days to dry in winter.

    15. Eyeglasses washer: Uh, I don't wear glasses, but I'm guessing that if I ran a shop that sold them that I'd have one of these in the back.

    16. Electric fly swatter: Yeah, this is about the dumbest thing I've seen too.

    17. Roomba: Well, I think it's neat, but I have to admit it qualifies for the article.

    18. Hot dog toaster, okay, it's stupid, but jeez it would be fun to use the first day you have it before it clutters a spot on the top shelf for the next eight years till the kids are old enough to use it themselves. Hell, I used to wrap a dog up in a paper towel and put it in the microwave. Tasted just like the ball park (seats) and it was easier to use than this gadget looks.

    19. How exactly is this easier than pouring it from the carton? Have you ever squeezed a whole orange? I think this falls into the dumb category along with the Subway chin rest http://www.mindbreakers.com/mb/img/invention1.jpg, but for the lazy? I don't get it.

    Maybe I'm just lacking in a sense of humor, but I think the the guys who put this article together were either slammed up against a deadline or just enjoyed any excuse to be mean. Like th

  58. Star Spangled Banner is possible by r00t · · Score: 1

    Happy Birthday is too. Dang it looks hard though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_horn

  59. Do you know what you are talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm going to preface this post by saying that I am active duty USAF currently serving in Iraq. Also I am a member of the Base Honor Guard here at my deployed location, and at my home station.

    Most of you have no idea what it means to render Military Funeral Honors. To you, this is joke about the difficulty of playing Taps. To us, this is about expressing our Nation's gratitude to our fallen comrades for their years of faithful service. We take this duty very seriously, and execute it in the most professional manner possible.

    The current mantra for the USAF is to do more with less. That is precisely what the bugle emulator allows us to do; render the most professional ceremony we can with the limited resources we have. The families of the deceased are always grateful that we are there, and can see the pride we take in honoring their loved one.

    These are my personal opinions, and in no way reflect those of the USAF. If you would like to know the official opinion of the USAF on this subject contact the Public Affairs office at any Air Force Base.

  60. Kinetic Watch Winder by merphant · · Score: 1

    My friend was reading a cigar catalog today. As if that wasn't silly enough, there was an ad inside for a "kinetic watch winder". It is a device "for people who own multiple kinetic watches". You put your spare watches on a little wheel and it spins them for you. Oh the irony.

  61. Man, that thing is creepy. by r00t · · Score: 1

    A few weeks ago, I listened to "Amazing Grace" on bagpipes as an MP3 recorded by the Air Force. Nobody had died. I was just sitting at my computer. I cried.

    The music gets to a certain point, maybe 3/4 the way through, then suddenly changes tonal quality. What the heck is that? It's nothing that I, as a brass player, could properly identify. It sure hits hard though.

    Playing such a thing at a funeral is so mean and unfair. Next "Amazing Grace" on bagpipes, Taps is just a bedtime song.

  62. Smart move by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    Sue people who are already upset and got loaded guns for the last salute. There are some people you sue, and some who you don't. People who can answer the question "you and what army" fall in the last group.

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  63. I don't think the eyeglasses washer is frivolous by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Hnad-washing plastic lenses (which I have a good reason for using) is more delicate work than you might expect, and it has to be done hundreds of times over the lifetime of the glasses. Anything that could keep them clean *and prevent scratches* sounds like a great idea.

    Yes, I have an anti-scratch coating. It does help a little.

  64. Electric fly squatter by tsa · · Score: 1

    I have an electric fly squatter at home. A friend of mine always buys crap like on the Wired page, but this squatter is really very handy. Most insects are not immediately killed by it, but they are very easily immobilized so you can kill them at ease and you don't get smudges on the walls.

    I wonder when this friend of mine will buy the eyelash washer for his girlfriend.

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    -- Cheers!

    1. Re:Electric fly squatter by tsa · · Score: 1

      I wonder when this friend of mine will buy the eyelash washer for his girlfriend.

      Oops, I misread, it's an eyeglasses washer. Maybe there is a market for eyelashed washers though. For girls that cry a lot.

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    2. Re:Electric fly squatter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The electric fly swatter is one of the greatest gadgets of the 20th century! The key feature is that it stuns or kills a fly in mid-air. There's no need to wait until the fly lands on a surface, and then swing and liquidate the fly on that surface. The electric fly swatter leaves you with one intact but electrocuted fly on the ground, ready for disposal.

  65. Soldering ? by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

    Bugle playing and electronics, I gotta get me some of that !

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  66. Automatic sushi machine? by igaborf · · Score: 1

    Heck, that's been done.

  67. Re: gas chambers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just as the link above points it out, he's talking about gas chambers where greens are taught gas mask operations and get a sneak preview of tear gas (just enough to appreciate their mask, and to learn to don it quickly). These are _not_ WW2 gas chambers.

    BTW judging from the linked page, I went through the exact same thing in an East Block country's base military training. Probably with only one difference: the tear gas canister had Cyrillic warnings.

  68. Perhaps they should put more effort into by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    making peaace instead, or designing machines to get shot up.

    It's a sad day that you "die for your country" for real and they can't even provide a real trumpet player. What next? One of those "your face goes here" cut-out funerals? Perhaps soldiers should send cardboard cut-outs of themselves when they get called up.

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    1. Re:Perhaps they should put more effort into by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      It's a sad day that you "die for your country" for real and they can't even provide a real trumpet player.

      Hey, there was a time when they wouldn't have even shipped your body back home, much less given you a freakin' musician and a honor guard procession.

      -Eric

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  69. Re:I'm sure it's that easy. by kfg · · Score: 1

    Any idiot could learn how to play Taps with a little bit of effort.

    I could teach just about any idiot to play the opening bars of the Moonlight Sonata in an hour or less.

    Doesn't mean I'd like to spend much time listening to them afterwards. There's a huge difference between working out the notes and being able to give a proper performance.

    That difference consists of many hours of something we call "practice."

    KFG

  70. "Our teapot is electrical ... by mi · · Score: 1
    ... and we aren't that sincere". So once joked a famous (ex-)Soviet comedian.

    Yes, it is the thought that counts, and your spouse is no less sincere for using the gas and/or electrical kitchen appliances (with timers and thermal sensors, no less!) instead of the open wood-burning fire to cook a dinner for you.

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  71. Re:I'm sure it's that easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Double that. I was in the army in the early 80's. The band on base (Fort Ord, CA) could not afford to spare their trumpet players for funerals because they needed them for other ceremonies (with a full band) so they got OJT's (On Job Training, soldiers "borrowed" from other units) to play taps. I was one of them. Let me tell you, when you're at a high-profile funeral, with generals and other high-ranking officers present, the pressure to play taps WELL is high. Also, since you have to stand at attention for the ceremony, you can't stay "warmed up" like you need to, so you're essentially playing "cold". I flubbed a note once in a while, and I've played trumet since 5th grade.

  72. We've used this with -zero- complaints... by Shipwack · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I'm active Navy, stationed in Cape Canaveral, Florida. We're a small command (30 people or so)and one of our duties is to provide a military presence to any veteran funeral in the area that asks us too. Depending on the wishes for the family, we escort the casket, we fold the flag, present it to the widow (toughest job), and play taps. Our "area" is from Palm Beach to Daytona, and as far west as Orlando. We do several funerals a week, often two a day.

    As many others have pointed out, we use these (we have three of them)not because of laziness, but because no one has the skill set required to play the bugle -well-. The actual device is a small player that fits exactly inside the bell of a real bugle, so it resonates and has a far nicer tone than a tape recorder, plus looks much better. We have had numerous compliments on our "bugle player", and even those that could tell the difference feel that it is much better than a tape recorder.

    I only attended one funeral where the bugle was specifically -not- requested... it was for a WWII Merchant Marine vet who was a member of a jazz band, and his buddies not only plyed taps, but did little improvisational riffs throughout hte service.

  73. Roomba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While you were talking about people not caring about the elderly...what about the elderly who can no longer vacuum? ...

  74. That's just cruel! by TCQuad · · Score: 1

    While you were talking about people not caring about the elderly...what about the elderly who can no longer vacuum? ...

    That's just cruel! You want to give a robot to the elderly? Robots are already everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel. And when they grab you with those metal claws, you can't break free, because they're made of metal and robots are strong.

  75. Addendum by kfg · · Score: 1

    Ok, in the above you can find a few justified quibbles, but, ummmmmmm, I knew that.

    KFG

  76. Testimony from an auto-bugle user. by dustinmarc · · Score: 1

    Having been in the Marines, I had the oppurtunity to play the auto-bugle at the funerals of several veterans. It actually put me in quite an awkward situation on several occassions. It's actually quite comical. There I am, someone with zero musical ability, standing in front of an entire funeral, cheeks bulging in and out, pretending to play the bugle. After my "performance" I had several people come up to me (including the teary-eyed widow of the deceased) telling me that I was the best bugle player they ever heard and that my rendition of Taps was the most heartfelt and sincere they had ever witnessed. I didn't have the heart to tell them that it was all just a show, but based on the audience's reaction I should have been awarded an Oscar and a Grammy!

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  77. Re:Which Corps? was:Funeral Watch by plsander · · Score: 1

    Which Corps?

    I thought MN Brass was marching B-flat horns. Govies are still marching G, not sure about Chops.

    My wife is currently marching with Govies, and used to march with MN Brass and Spirit of Atlanta...

  78. Re:Which Corps? was:Funeral Watch by UMNbandgeek · · Score: 1

    I march Pioneer, we're the only Div 1 corps still playing G bugles. It's kind of sad, since they have a much richer sound than those damn B flats. Much heavier though, playing a G euph sucks a lot.