"MINIX is a microkernel-based system. The file system and memory management are separate processes, running outside the kernel. The I/O drivers are also separate processes (in the kernel, but only because the brain-dead nature of the Intel CPUs makes that difficult to do otherwise)."
Did it ever occur to you that Sharp might have licensed the technology?
The article did mention that the 3d part was nothing new, and that Sharp's innovation with the ability to switch between 3D and 2D mode without sacrificing resolution in 2D mode.
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>Aside from gaming, what are we planning to use these for?
The downside is that since VIA don't make motherboards, they rely on mobo manufacturers, and the mobo makers don't want to piss off Intel, and so aren't too quick to look at using unauthorized chipsets.
If no one makes the boards, the chipset may end up more or less stillborn.
If VIA had started with an Athlon chipset, or didn't have this disagreement with Intel over whether or not they're allowed to make P4 chipsets, then there wouldn't be that problem.
However, I would assume that there are obviously some manufacturers making VIA boards, so I would assume those ones would be the ones that would start making boards using this technology.
UPDATE (June 7, 2002): The Weather Channel® is funding Tungsten Graphics Inc. to develop an open source 3D DRI driver for the ATI Radeon 8500 graphics card. It is anticipated that the driver will be released to the XFree86 Project by year-end 2002, and will be distributed to the public in future versions of the XFree86 X Server.
The point was that NVidia release binary only drivers that use the full potential of the chip, and achieve pretty much the same performance as the Windows drivers.
go to tucows. www.tucows.com and search for HTML editors for Windows.
Or ftp clients
Or pretty much anything...
Now ask the authors of these programs if we can get rid of the 100 text editors, ftp clients, irc clients, etc....
It's not a war of any sort, it's called choice, and it exists even in the windows world.
The difference is that since Linux and Unix Free and Open Source software allow redistribution, that Linux distributions are allowed to bundle anything they consider worthy with their distribution, and this usualy means at least a couple of versions each utility, so as to please the greatest number of people.
About the C70, does it live up to it's speed claims? I'm considering buying a 10 - 20 ppm laser, but the C70 claims similar speeds, and I'm interested to know if it can acutally deliver...
Where ogg really wins out, is at q0 - q3, the oggs will be quite acceptable (especially on crappy speakers), and an mp3 with the same file size will have the horrible hollow metalic sound to it that you get from low bitrate mp3s.
I did some comparisons with lame and bladeenc, and oggenc, and found that ogg at q2 was pretty much indistinguishable from the original wav. There was maybe a slight difference in overall sound, but not noticable unless you compared pretty closesly to the original. And there were definely no artifacts in the.ogg that weren't alredy in the original recording. The mp3s however, had the awful metalic sound, and very noticeable tendancy to mush the high end sounds.... 'S's at the end of words became 'Shhh' and cymbals sounded bad, and drums lost their crispness severly.
Naturally you're not going to want to use q2 for archival quality sound, but then it's the low bitrate quality that matters on portable audio players anyway.
> Oh, and by the way, ask an audio technician what REVERB is, and why they frequently add it to music...
Reverb added to music is controlled, the technician can add more or less, or change the type to make it sound how they like, and match it to the style of music.
Echoes in a concert hall don't work that way....and unless it's been designed extremely well, (which is usualy the case in the good ones) then the echoes will pretty much suck. And even in the quality ones, echoes that sound good with chamber music, probably suck for metal, so the best situation for a general purpose concert venue, is one where there's little or no reverb or echoes from the environment (audiences usualy go a long way to absorbing the reverb anyway), and then have the right effect for the type of music added by the sound guys.
From what I can tell, the only thing they had over things like Ogg Vorbis, and even MP3 is that they were there before those formats were as popular (or even existed in the case of vorbis). Their main competitor was Real, but Real were interested in low bitrate streaming, and Liquid were interested in digital distribution of high quality music.
Then along came MP3, and people got free (if not necesarily legal) distribution of acceptable quality music, and so Liquid became irrelevant.
Real survives because there's still a market for live streaming audio technology.
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The difference is, of course, that there's no way to patch a CPU.
So any insignificant upgrade is going to require a new CPU (not counting microcode updates)
> I surprised you didn't say if you were fired or not, but just FYI, wrongful termination can be a real bitch to prove.
;)
I don't think it was the CEO of his company, just a random CEO off the street
"MINIX is a microkernel-based system. The file system and memory management are separate processes, running outside the kernel. The I/O drivers are also separate processes (in the kernel, but only because the brain-dead nature of the Intel CPUs makes that difficult to do otherwise)."
The exact words of Andrew Tanenbaum.....
That would be BSOD :)
Did it ever occur to you that Sharp might have licensed the technology?
The article did mention that the 3d part was nothing new, and that Sharp's innovation with the ability to switch between 3D and 2D mode without sacrificing resolution in 2D mode.
>Aside from gaming, what are we planning to use these for?
does anything else even matter?
No, that's an anti abortion propoganda page with a minor intro on frog boiling.
> Besides, OSX is in no way a Windows clone.
Perhaps that was his point?
for all intents and purposes.
what the hell is an intensive purpose?
Thanks for the correction :)
The downside is that since VIA don't make motherboards, they rely on mobo manufacturers, and the mobo makers don't want to piss off Intel, and so aren't too quick to look at using unauthorized chipsets.
If no one makes the boards, the chipset may end up more or less stillborn.
If VIA had started with an Athlon chipset, or didn't have this disagreement with Intel over whether or not they're allowed to make P4 chipsets, then there wouldn't be that problem.
However, I would assume that there are obviously some manufacturers making VIA boards, so I would assume those ones would be the ones that would start making boards using this technology.
You missed it, it was definitely in there....
> Dont bet on it. I'ts a rumor that is unfounded.
from Tungsten Graphics' web site....
UPDATE (June 7, 2002): The Weather Channel® is funding Tungsten Graphics Inc. to develop an open source 3D DRI driver for the ATI Radeon 8500 graphics card. It is anticipated that the driver will be released to the XFree86 Project by year-end 2002, and will be distributed to the public in future versions of the XFree86 X Server.
yup...looks unfounded to me.
The point was that NVidia release binary only drivers that use the full potential of the chip, and achieve pretty much the same performance as the Windows drivers.
Here's an experiment....
go to tucows. www.tucows.com and search for HTML editors for Windows.
Or ftp clients
Or pretty much anything...
Now ask the authors of these programs if we can get rid of the 100 text editors, ftp clients, irc clients, etc....
It's not a war of any sort, it's called choice, and it exists even in the windows world.
The difference is that since Linux and Unix Free and Open Source software allow redistribution, that Linux distributions are allowed to bundle anything they consider worthy with their distribution, and this usualy means at least a couple of versions each utility, so as to please the greatest number of people.
There won't be any product named 'Kroupware' it's just the name of the project....
About the C70, does it live up to it's speed claims?
I'm considering buying a 10 - 20 ppm laser, but the C70 claims similar speeds, and I'm interested to know if it can acutally deliver...
also, how's the black ink capacity?
>Except with Radio, i get to tape the music and listen to it later, or loan it to my friends.
>You really don't get it, do you?
Please explain why you think you would be unable to tape this?
>Is this want it has come to? Some conception of unclever modern art making the grade on /.
>I come here for fun not to be swayed by the 'Arty' types..
Nope, this is just a case of a cool way of breaking stuff!
He wasn't saying there wasn't depth perception, but that beyond 18ft your brain starts using different methods to obtain the depth information
If you read Michael's link, you would have read that the glass being thicker at the bottom was due to the manafacturing process...
Where ogg really wins out, is at q0 - q3, the oggs will be quite acceptable (especially on crappy speakers), and an mp3 with the same file size will have the horrible hollow metalic sound to it that you get from low bitrate mp3s.
.ogg that weren't alredy in the original recording.
I did some comparisons with lame and bladeenc, and oggenc, and found that ogg at q2 was pretty much indistinguishable from the original wav. There was maybe a slight difference in overall sound, but not noticable unless you compared pretty closesly to the original. And there were definely no artifacts in the
The mp3s however, had the awful metalic sound, and very noticeable tendancy to mush the high end sounds.... 'S's at the end of words became 'Shhh' and cymbals sounded bad, and drums lost their crispness severly.
Naturally you're not going to want to use q2 for archival quality sound, but then it's the low bitrate quality that matters on portable audio players anyway.
Java is a language, but it's also a platform.
And Java the Platform is what we're talking about here...
> Oh, and by the way, ask an audio technician what REVERB is, and why they frequently add it to music...
Reverb added to music is controlled, the technician can add more or less, or change the type to make it sound how they like, and match it to the style of music.
Echoes in a concert hall don't work that way....and unless it's been designed extremely well, (which is usualy the case in the good ones) then the echoes will pretty much suck. And even in the quality ones, echoes that sound good with chamber music, probably suck for metal, so the best situation for a general purpose concert venue, is one where there's little or no reverb or echoes from the environment (audiences usualy go a long way to absorbing the reverb anyway), and then have the right effect for the type of music added by the sound guys.
From what I can tell, the only thing they had over things like Ogg Vorbis, and even MP3 is that they were there before those formats were as popular (or even existed in the case of vorbis).
Their main competitor was Real, but Real were interested in low bitrate streaming, and Liquid were interested in digital distribution of high quality music.
Then along came MP3, and people got free (if not necesarily legal) distribution of acceptable quality music, and so Liquid became irrelevant.
Real survives because there's still a market for live streaming audio technology.