Re:Good series - what motive?
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Forbes on Linux
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But if Forbes ran a big series about why MS is great, everyone on Slashdot would be saying "They must have paid for it."
We wouldn't have much to complain about if the article was factual and fair. I think most of the reaction to previous MS shills has been that the analysis has been somehow incomplete, exaggerated or biased.
A corporation is just a container for holding assets, with certain legal protections for the owners of the corporation.
Unless you want to be criminally liable if you just happened to own a share of stock in a company that does something criminal, the legal protections are a good -- vital -- idea.
So, then, just who is liable when a corporation does something criminal?
People REALLY need to clue in that corporations are not some magic, evil boogeyman.
People will probably find less reason to be cynical when corporate executives making the decisions in cases of criminal corporate actions get punishments comparable to the average person who commits theft, fraud or assault.
I'll be the first to say I know little about the subject, but I sure don't get the impression that corporate crimes get adequately punished these days. It seems that nobody is responsible for the criminal actions. Wierd.
It would be easier to come up with potential solutions if some of the statistical information that the US Space Command has on debris orbits were available. On the other hand, I would imagine that the researchers who are being paid to work on this problem have full access to that information.
4.Write software that would automatically select the nearest target from the db and move the satelite into position to evaporate or impact with the debris.
Sounds a lot to me like the algorithms required would have a lot in common with some well-known CS research problems, like the moving of the head of a hard disk. I'm sure some existing knowledge could be applied, but the space junk problem could also be a source of new research money...
If you check mozilla.org you'll see that 1.1a is Mozilla 1.1 ALPHA! The roadmap clarifies more:
The mozilla 1.0 stable branch will continue as 1.0.x, and the 1.x series will continue as test milestones for evaluation of the latest features added to the trunk development. Each release cycle will be about 13 weeks long, consisting of 5 weeks work then an ALPHA release, another 5 weeks then a BETA release, then a week or so freeze before the milestone.
This release is 1.1 ALPHA. Lots of nice things in there for those who are following Moz and don't mind the shortcomings, but if you just want to complain, stick to IE.
I think there were some temporary troubles with the ftp server that were more of an unfortunate coincidence than a result of the release. All is well now and I'm pulling 80kB/s from the other side of the world... (total download time: 1m 57s)
Do you know if Outlook uses the same API or protocol for the Mail as the Calendaring? If it does then I guess you're right: the entry bar is higher. However, if they happen to use different protocols, would it be possible to cheat by running an existing server to handle those transactions at first while you get the calendaring server up and running?
If you need to share information between mail and calendar then you could try to hack an IMAP/LDAP solution together from existing projects. On the other hand, if there is functionality that can be tested without access to the outlook email APIs, then perhaps you can actually run Exchange and use a proxy or firewall in between the client and server to redirect requests on the calendaring port(s) to your daemon while passing the other stuff (to keep outlook happy) directly to exchange.
By the way, is there any way that the Bynari exchange replacement might provide any insight into building your own server? I know they're proprietary as well; just a thought.
Of course, it should be obvious that I barely know what I'm talking about - just hoping that I might be able to spark an idea or two...
I'm not sure how much overlap there will be between your Exchange replacement and the intended Calendar server for Mozilla'scalendar project.
There is already somebody interested in starting work on that calendar server. I believe the intention is to use the IETF standards, but if you could work together with the moz people to get an Exchange replacement that also played nicely with standards-based calendaring servers, I'm sure there would be a lot of very happy people in the world. Perhaps, just maybe, you may even be able to combine efforts...
While you're looking at you might hit bugzilla.mozilla.org and look at bug 17048 and 124026 for a slightly unrelated bit on roaming capabilities in Mozilla. I vaguely remember somebody mentioning that it might be nice to connect with a calendar server at some point. It may not have any relevance, but I throw it out for your information.
Yeah, yeah I didn't read the story
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Lunar Power
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But c'mon. The moon's surface area is something like 38,000,000 km^2. So harnessing 1% of all that solar energy would entail 100% efficient solar panels over what? 380,000 km^2?
Get back to me when you've got the first hundred square kilometers or so done...
jesser has covered keyboard access to the address bar. Thanks! I was wondering about that one myself.
As for speed, the UI chrome can be a little sluggish on a slower machine, but I find the HTML renderer to be quite swift.
rather slow loadup time
I use QuickLaunch and find startup quite reasonable. You can turn it on under Preferences->Advanced, or during installation.
there doesn't seem to be a way to turn on mouse gestures through the preferences
For now gesture navigation is an optional module that you need to install yourself by visiting the OptiMoz site. The installation is really painless, and you can configure or uninstall optimoz through the prefs panel. One caveat: the latest nightly builds seem to have changed some interfaces that OptiMoz uses, so the prefs are no longer visible, though I expect the OptiMoz project to have an updated release available soon.
And while it doesn't have mouse-wheel window switching...
...it does however allow you to configure the mouse wheel with a modifier key to scroll pages at a time, line at a time, change text size or go back and forward through history.
All the UI people are already screaming that Moz has too many prefs. I guess I wouldn't be hired for UI design since I like lots of configurability. I don't see a RFE bug in bugzilla to add switching windows using the mouse wheel, but you can search bugzilla yourself and if you're sure such an RFE doesn't exist, then add a bug.
Of course, RFE's are low on the totem pole right now...
Christopher
I prefer alternatives to MS software even on Win32
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BBC interview with RMS
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When was the last time you tried Mozilla?
I won't debate the merits of KDE or Gnome, but I must say that I find Mozilla to be as fast or faster than MSIE for most important things on Win98 and Win2000 (PIII-933 or Athlon XP 1600+ systems).
Open office certainly isn't equal to MS Office, but it's only terrible if you need some specific little feature OO doesn't have, or if you're too stuck in the MS-rut to adjust to a few small UI differences.
Anyway, I won't even start on all of the ways Mozilla is superior to MSIE on Win32 feature-wise. I'll just say that for my needs, Mozilla is the best browser by far. Ask my girlfriend - I nearly explode with irritation every time I'm forced to use MSIE on a PC without Mozilla installed. But that's just me...
If you sell me a product that doesn't work for us, I expect *you* to fix it. It doesn't matter if the source is open or closed, because *you* have it either way. And if I throw enough $$$ at your company, you WILL put us at the top of your priority list, or we'll go to a different vendor.
How many vendors have the source code to Win2k or your other proprietary S/W of choice? How much choice do you have among vendors that are capable of fixing an obscure-but-critical-to-me flaw in a closed source app or OS?
This isn't sarcasm, it's a serious question. Maybe there is more choice and less vendor lock-in than I realized, or maybe there is another good argument for free software in here somewhere...
This probably supports your point, but I can't resist nit-picking just a little. Magna does complete vehicles (including design), although these are primarily OEM'd to other companies as well as their parts are.
You're right about it being lucrative to just make the parts.
Just because you haven't heard it doesn't make it false.:)
Seriously, though. I'm no thermodynamics expert, but I do believe the original poster is correct. There is no practical way to convert 100% of heat energy into another form (such as mechanical energy to drive generators).
Your coal, gas, oil, nuclear reactor, whatever heats up some intermediate fluid(say, water) and the expansion of that fluid is used to drive a generator. After the material is past the generator, it hasn't returned to it's original temperature or density, so not all the heat energy has been extracted. If you try to recycle that hot fluid, it can't extract as much heat energy from your energy source. Now you either exhaust the excess hot fluid, or let it cool. Voila, massive energy release. Overall, your process will not asymptotically approach 100% efficiency. Never mind thermal losses throughout the system (poor insulation etc), or other inefficiencies (mechanical to electrical conversion inefficiencies).
I told you I wasn't an expert (experts, please correct me), but I think that's the gist of it.
what really needs to happen is for several OSS alternatives to Micro$soft wares to become popular on Windows
This is an interesting point, and it's one of the reasons that I'm very happy for the progress of products like StarOffice and Mozilla. My dad is a high school teacher, and this year he's updating some technology courses with simple stuff like assignments to create a webpage, write a document, use a spreadsheet. Nothing fancy, but he is finding that OpenOffice (even a 6.0 beta build I think) is working quite acceptably for him. Yes, still more work to do on the import filters, stability and features, but for his needs it works. OpenOffice is also attractive because Sun donated a nice server and a bunch of thin clients to his school this year, but that alone wouldn't be enough to convince him to use it in his classes.
If he can get more than just a few entry-level classes using OpenOffice, then more people can switch seamlessly between the Windows PCs and the unix thin-client lab. Of course, they don't have the expertise or motivation to put linux on PCs, but this definitely lowers the barrier to entry if somebody wants to advocate it down the road.
Now my church is looking for a database package to track members of the congregation, their areas of involvement or interest, elderly people who want to be visited at home or in the hospital etc. Our membership is getting too large for one or even a few people to keep track of everything in their heads. They're looking at custom database software targetted at churches. I'd love to recommend a free (libre) database to them, but I don't know anything that will allow them MS Access-like ability to design the front end to make it usable by volunteers or the church secretary. I certainly don't have the time to provide tech support myself - I'm already very involved in other areas. If the free software community can begin to fill niches like that with cross-platform software, it's going to be a whole lot easier for people like me to evangelize free OS's.
Hey, I'm not in the corporate world right now, but what you say rings true to me. I know the company that cuts off my email and web access is losing an employee.
It was all over the LOC post the other day: productivity isn't measured in code produced, hours at the desk or anything else like that. The internet is my encyclopedia, and if I don't have that not only and I unhappy, but I'm less productive.
Yeah, but what about installing user software? Not just the OS...
And I don't mean RPM vs. DEB either. How about a consistent file system layout and consistent installer UI so that the less tech-savvy crowd doesn't have to find an expert to hold their hand when they want to install those extra apps.
(Not that I think "linux" is an entity, nor that it owes me anything. I'm just suggesting that the original poster may have been talking about something other than OS installation.)
I don't know about money - I expect there's a standard for that too, but the site I had bookmarked that listed a variety of standards seems to be down at the moment. Google provided the link above.
I always use YYYY-MM-DD now, since it is the standard format, and gosh darn it, it just makes sense.
I don't know for sure, but the upcoming landings page indicates that there is some code due to be checked in any day now that adds the front end code for bookmark groups. Once that done snapshort tabs will either be included, or within reach of a small patch.
Try a nightly build in a week or two. The nightlies should be fairly stable now since all checkins until 1.0 have to be reviewed, super-reviewed and finally approved by the mozilla staff.
Re: Get out and help mozilla yourself!
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What a great way to pump up the votes for your favorite bugs or RFEs! I wish I'd thought of it first. Well, here are some of my favorites:
Unfortunately, voting won't get stuff done any faster. Most of the moz community is pretty aware of the feature requests. A lot of time is being chewed up with stability, performance and bug fix work, as well as sorting and triaging bugs.
Hit the link in my sig, and find out how you can do more than just vote, by helping with QA, working in the bug database, tweaking the front end code (mostly scripts - fairly easy) and hacking the back end code.
While I'm at it, I hope mpt won't hate me for mentioning his The top ten usability problems in Mozilla. Don't get me wrong, I love moz, but that list is a great summary of some important work left to be done (thought it's a bit out of date - there is now a fullscreen on win32, and there have been a lot of textedit bug fixes).
Christopher
Re:MozillaQuest is a troll. It's misinformation
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Ok, every here should know by now that MQ is just one huge troll. The only good I can see could come from this would be to slashdot the server...
If you aren't familiar with MQ, go ahead and visit the site. Just be warned: treat it as a troll, and don't take his word for anything.
So anyway, linking to him is just going to expose the unsuspecting to the MQ misinformation. Don't do it.
With 0.9.9 you can now also type an URL in the bar with whatever page/tab you're viewing. Instead of Enter, hit Ctrl-Enter and you'll get a new tab. As a bonus, you can set Ctrl-Enter to open new windows in the background.
That is why I am not sure I wanted to see this article just yet, even though I consider it interesting and very good news. Premature talk may scuttle these kinds of strategic decisions. Eg. You-Know-Who might step up his FUD or make AOL management an offer they cannot refuse: "If you use Mozilla, we cannot promise the AOL browser works on future Windows versions , but here's an IE licensing deal that solves such problems...".
That's a pretty interesting point. I'm not business expert, but this sounds plausible. It would be a shame if talks fell through because of fallout from the rumor-mill.
On the other hand, I'd say that this is no news to Redmond. The bad blood between them is probably deep enough that the AOL->Gecko outcome is inevitable. Not to mention the money sunk into Netscape over the last few years...
Everybody here is talking about the boon to web compatibility if this happens. I sure hope it does!
Now, they're really, really scared that they will face competition that they can't buy or steal - they will only be able to compete on value and technology.
Don't forget legislation... it seems to me they'll do whatever they can to avoid competing on value and technology, and the legislation card isn't nearly played out yet.
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But if Forbes ran a big series about why MS is great, everyone on Slashdot would be saying "They must have paid for it."
We wouldn't have much to complain about if the article was factual and fair. I think most of the reaction to previous MS shills has been that the analysis has been somehow incomplete, exaggerated or biased.
A corporation is just a container for holding assets, with certain legal protections for the owners of the corporation.
Unless you want to be criminally liable if you just happened to own a share of stock in a company that does something criminal, the legal protections are a good -- vital -- idea.
So, then, just who is liable when a corporation does something criminal?
People REALLY need to clue in that corporations are not some magic, evil boogeyman.
People will probably find less reason to be cynical when corporate executives making the decisions in cases of criminal corporate actions get punishments comparable to the average person who commits theft, fraud or assault.
I'll be the first to say I know little about the subject, but I sure don't get the impression that corporate crimes get adequately punished these days. It seems that nobody is responsible for the criminal actions. Wierd.
It would be easier to come up with potential solutions if some of the statistical information that the US Space Command has on debris orbits were available. On the other hand, I would imagine that the researchers who are being paid to work on this problem have full access to that information.
Christopher
4.Write software that would automatically select the nearest target from the db and move the satelite into position to evaporate or impact with the debris.
Sounds a lot to me like the algorithms required would have a lot in common with some well-known CS research problems, like the moving of the head of a hard disk. I'm sure some existing knowledge could be applied, but the space junk problem could also be a source of new research money...
Christopher
If you check mozilla.org you'll see that 1.1a is Mozilla 1.1 ALPHA! The roadmap clarifies more:
The mozilla 1.0 stable branch will continue as 1.0.x, and the 1.x series will continue as test milestones for evaluation of the latest features added to the trunk development. Each release cycle will be about 13 weeks long, consisting of 5 weeks work then an ALPHA release, another 5 weeks then a BETA release, then a week or so freeze before the milestone.
This release is 1.1 ALPHA. Lots of nice things in there for those who are following Moz and don't mind the shortcomings, but if you just want to complain, stick to IE.
I think there were some temporary troubles with the ftp server that were more of an unfortunate coincidence than a result of the release. All is well now and I'm pulling 80kB/s from the other side of the world... (total download time: 1m 57s)
Christopher
Do you know if Outlook uses the same API or protocol for the Mail as the Calendaring? If it does then I guess you're right: the entry bar is higher. However, if they happen to use different protocols, would it be possible to cheat by running an existing server to handle those transactions at first while you get the calendaring server up and running?
If you need to share information between mail and calendar then you could try to hack an IMAP/LDAP solution together from existing projects. On the other hand, if there is functionality that can be tested without access to the outlook email APIs, then perhaps you can actually run Exchange and use a proxy or firewall in between the client and server to redirect requests on the calendaring port(s) to your daemon while passing the other stuff (to keep outlook happy) directly to exchange.
By the way, is there any way that the Bynari exchange replacement might provide any insight into building your own server? I know they're proprietary as well; just a thought.
Of course, it should be obvious that I barely know what I'm talking about - just hoping that I might be able to spark an idea or two...
I'm not sure how much overlap there will be between your Exchange replacement and the intended Calendar server for Mozilla's calendar project.
There is already somebody interested in starting work on that calendar server. I believe the intention is to use the IETF standards, but if you could work together with the moz people to get an Exchange replacement that also played nicely with standards-based calendaring servers, I'm sure there would be a lot of very happy people in the world. Perhaps, just maybe, you may even be able to combine efforts...
While you're looking at you might hit bugzilla.mozilla.org and look at bug 17048 and 124026 for a slightly unrelated bit on roaming capabilities in Mozilla. I vaguely remember somebody mentioning that it might be nice to connect with a calendar server at some point. It may not have any relevance, but I throw it out for your information.
But c'mon. The moon's surface area is something like 38,000,000 km^2. So harnessing 1% of all that solar energy would entail 100% efficient solar panels over what? 380,000 km^2?
Get back to me when you've got the first hundred square kilometers or so done...
Christopher
jesser has covered keyboard access to the address bar. Thanks! I was wondering about that one myself.
As for speed, the UI chrome can be a little sluggish on a slower machine, but I find the HTML renderer to be quite swift.
rather slow loadup time
I use QuickLaunch and find startup quite reasonable. You can turn it on under Preferences->Advanced, or during installation.
there doesn't seem to be a way to turn on mouse gestures through the preferences
For now gesture navigation is an optional module that you need to install yourself by visiting the OptiMoz site. The installation is really painless, and you can configure or uninstall optimoz through the prefs panel. One caveat: the latest nightly builds seem to have changed some interfaces that OptiMoz uses, so the prefs are no longer visible, though I expect the OptiMoz project to have an updated release available soon.
And while it doesn't have mouse-wheel window switching...
...it does however allow you to configure the mouse wheel with a modifier key to scroll pages at a time, line at a time, change text size or go back and forward through history.
All the UI people are already screaming that Moz has too many prefs. I guess I wouldn't be hired for UI design since I like lots of configurability. I don't see a RFE bug in bugzilla to add switching windows using the mouse wheel, but you can search bugzilla yourself and if you're sure such an RFE doesn't exist, then add a bug.
Of course, RFE's are low on the totem pole right now...
Christopher
When was the last time you tried Mozilla?
I won't debate the merits of KDE or Gnome, but I must say that I find Mozilla to be as fast or faster than MSIE for most important things on Win98 and Win2000 (PIII-933 or Athlon XP 1600+ systems).
Open office certainly isn't equal to MS Office, but it's only terrible if you need some specific little feature OO doesn't have, or if you're too stuck in the MS-rut to adjust to a few small UI differences.
Anyway, I won't even start on all of the ways Mozilla is superior to MSIE on Win32 feature-wise. I'll just say that for my needs, Mozilla is the best browser by far. Ask my girlfriend - I nearly explode with irritation every time I'm forced to use MSIE on a PC without Mozilla installed. But that's just me...
Christopher
People more than ever need to go out there and download , test, and give bug reports.
I agree with your point, but why link to old builds? Asa says the -03-26 (linux and mac) and -03-27 (win32) builds are very good.
Don't just report bugs! Join the QA effort and help triage the bug reports!
Christopher
If you sell me a product that doesn't work for us, I expect *you* to fix it. It doesn't matter if the source is open or closed, because *you* have it either way. And if I throw enough $$$ at your company, you WILL put us at the top of your priority list, or we'll go to a different vendor.
How many vendors have the source code to Win2k or your other proprietary S/W of choice? How much choice do you have among vendors that are capable of fixing an obscure-but-critical-to-me flaw in a closed source app or OS?
This isn't sarcasm, it's a serious question. Maybe there is more choice and less vendor lock-in than I realized, or maybe there is another good argument for free software in here somewhere...
Christopher
This probably supports your point, but I can't resist nit-picking just a little. Magna does complete vehicles (including design), although these are primarily OEM'd to other companies as well as their parts are.
You're right about it being lucrative to just make the parts.
Christopher
Just because you haven't heard it doesn't make it false. :)
Seriously, though. I'm no thermodynamics expert, but I do believe the original poster is correct. There is no practical way to convert 100% of heat energy into another form (such as mechanical energy to drive generators).
Your coal, gas, oil, nuclear reactor, whatever heats up some intermediate fluid(say, water) and the expansion of that fluid is used to drive a generator. After the material is past the generator, it hasn't returned to it's original temperature or density, so not all the heat energy has been extracted. If you try to recycle that hot fluid, it can't extract as much heat energy from your energy source. Now you either exhaust the excess hot fluid, or let it cool. Voila, massive energy release. Overall, your process will not asymptotically approach 100% efficiency. Never mind thermal losses throughout the system (poor insulation etc), or other inefficiencies (mechanical to electrical conversion inefficiencies).
I told you I wasn't an expert (experts, please correct me), but I think that's the gist of it.
Christopher
what really needs to happen is for several OSS alternatives to Micro$soft wares to become popular on Windows
This is an interesting point, and it's one of the reasons that I'm very happy for the progress of products like StarOffice and Mozilla. My dad is a high school teacher, and this year he's updating some technology courses with simple stuff like assignments to create a webpage, write a document, use a spreadsheet. Nothing fancy, but he is finding that OpenOffice (even a 6.0 beta build I think) is working quite acceptably for him. Yes, still more work to do on the import filters, stability and features, but for his needs it works. OpenOffice is also attractive because Sun donated a nice server and a bunch of thin clients to his school this year, but that alone wouldn't be enough to convince him to use it in his classes.
If he can get more than just a few entry-level classes using OpenOffice, then more people can switch seamlessly between the Windows PCs and the unix thin-client lab. Of course, they don't have the expertise or motivation to put linux on PCs, but this definitely lowers the barrier to entry if somebody wants to advocate it down the road.
Now my church is looking for a database package to track members of the congregation, their areas of involvement or interest, elderly people who want to be visited at home or in the hospital etc. Our membership is getting too large for one or even a few people to keep track of everything in their heads. They're looking at custom database software targetted at churches. I'd love to recommend a free (libre) database to them, but I don't know anything that will allow them MS Access-like ability to design the front end to make it usable by volunteers or the church secretary. I certainly don't have the time to provide tech support myself - I'm already very involved in other areas. If the free software community can begin to fill niches like that with cross-platform software, it's going to be a whole lot easier for people like me to evangelize free OS's.
Man, if I only had mod points...
Hey, I'm not in the corporate world right now, but what you say rings true to me. I know the company that cuts off my email and web access is losing an employee.
It was all over the LOC post the other day: productivity isn't measured in code produced, hours at the desk or anything else like that. The internet is my encyclopedia, and if I don't have that not only and I unhappy, but I'm less productive.
So yeah, Right on. I agree.
Christopher
Yeah, but what about installing user software? Not just the OS...
And I don't mean RPM vs. DEB either. How about a consistent file system layout and consistent installer UI so that the less tech-savvy crowd doesn't have to find an expert to hold their hand when they want to install those extra apps.
(Not that I think "linux" is an entity, nor that it owes me anything. I'm just suggesting that the original poster may have been talking about something other than OS installation.)
Christopher
ISO standard 8601 is what you're looking for.
I don't know about money - I expect there's a standard for that too, but the site I had bookmarked that listed a variety of standards seems to be down at the moment. Google provided the link above.
I always use YYYY-MM-DD now, since it is the standard format, and gosh darn it, it just makes sense.
Christopher
I don't know for sure, but the upcoming landings page indicates that there is some code due to be checked in any day now that adds the front end code for bookmark groups. Once that done snapshort tabs will either be included, or within reach of a small patch.
Try a nightly build in a week or two. The nightlies should be fairly stable now since all checkins until 1.0 have to be reviewed, super-reviewed and finally approved by the mozilla staff.
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Unfortunately, voting won't get stuff done any faster. Most of the moz community is pretty aware of the feature requests. A lot of time is being chewed up with stability, performance and bug fix work, as well as sorting and triaging bugs.
Hit the link in my sig, and find out how you can do more than just vote, by helping with QA, working in the bug database, tweaking the front end code (mostly scripts - fairly easy) and hacking the back end code.
While I'm at it, I hope mpt won't hate me for mentioning his The top ten usability problems in Mozilla. Don't get me wrong, I love moz, but that list is a great summary of some important work left to be done (thought it's a bit out of date - there is now a fullscreen on win32, and there have been a lot of textedit bug fixes).
Christopher
Ok, every here should know by now that MQ is just one huge troll. The only good I can see could come from this would be to slashdot the server...
If you aren't familiar with MQ, go ahead and visit the site. Just be warned: treat it as a troll, and don't take his word for anything.
So anyway, linking to him is just going to expose the unsuspecting to the MQ misinformation. Don't do it.
With 0.9.9 you can now also type an URL in the bar with whatever page/tab you're viewing. Instead of Enter, hit Ctrl-Enter and you'll get a new tab. As a bonus, you can set Ctrl-Enter to open new windows in the background.
Enjoy!
Christopher
That's a pretty interesting point. I'm not business expert, but this sounds plausible. It would be a shame if talks fell through because of fallout from the rumor-mill.
On the other hand, I'd say that this is no news to Redmond. The bad blood between them is probably deep enough that the AOL->Gecko outcome is inevitable. Not to mention the money sunk into Netscape over the last few years...
Everybody here is talking about the boon to web compatibility if this happens. I sure hope it does!
Christopher
Now, they're really, really scared that they will face competition that they can't buy or steal - they will only be able to compete on value and technology.
Don't forget legislation... it seems to me they'll do whatever they can to avoid competing on value and technology, and the legislation card isn't nearly played out yet.
Christopher