That used to be true. It is no longer the case. You are also, only counting the overhead imposed by the system call and ignoring all the thread work that goes into user space.
Long story short, creating threads under Linux used to be fairly slow...even compared to a process...though it was faster strictly comparing the system call because the system call had to do less work. These days, creating threads under Linux is very fast. Modern kernels now have thread specific system calls...which means threads *may* (I'm actually not sure) actually be faster than process forking under Linux.
Any programmer who knows anything about Unix and Windows will tell you that threads are cheaper in Windows and processes are cheaper in Unix, because that's how they were designed.
That used to be true for Linux...but no longer. On Linux, threads are now faster than processes. Keep in mind, I'm only talking about creation latencies...not scalability or metrics of specific application using a specific implementation.
Linux was fairly slow at thread creation. Linux is now wicked fast at thread creation. In one benchmark, what used to take 15-minutes for Linux, can now be completed in 2-seconds! No joke!
I don't have something I can point you at right, however, the information is true. Linux used to have horrible overhead imposed by thread creation. As a result of both the NGTL and NPLT projects, the time needed to create a thread on Linux is tiny...tiny...tiny...some of the well known results from the projects were published... Here's a quote:
"One test mentioned in Ulrich's email - running 100,000 concurrent threads on an IA-32 - generated some interesting discussion. Ingo Molnar explained that with the current stock 2.5 kernel such a test requires roughly 1GB RAM, and the act of starting and stopping all 100,000 threads in parallel takes only 2 seconds. In comparison, with the 2.5.31 kernel (prior to Ingo's recent threading work), such a test would have taken around 15 minutes."
http://kerneltrap.org/node/422 As you can see, the stellar increase in thread performance has been unbelievable. Keep in mind, prior to this effort, Linux's thread creation was no where near the performance delta gained from these projects. Ergo, one can easily deduce that Linux far exceeds (less time) Win's thread creation latencies.
In *public* schools, it is yet to be seen if a "code of conduct" can abridge any federal right. Sure, they may think they have clout...and they may even dance around like foolish clowns, but the reality is, in public schools, the schools are actually fairly restricted in what they can "govern" by their "code of conduct" as it pertains to federally granted rights. You know it, I know it, they know it. Just depends on how big an ass is running the school.
It really just boils down to, how far do you want to take it...and it really helps if the ACLU is there by your side to help run it along.
Isn't this announcement like digging up grandma and throwing her a birthday party?
For the humor impaired, this was a joke!
Glad to hear that BSD keeps on chugging along...Linux has a reputation for taking some excellent ideas and even implementation from the BSD guys....BSD improvements often translate into Linux improvements too.
Mag stripes are very easy to copy. Some number of years ago, a contest was held (at MIT IIRC) to see how quickly a mag stripe on a credit card could be duplicated without the use of a card reader. The winners were able copy a mag stripe in something like 4-seconds. The applied heat with a new mag stripe touching the original. The electrons were excited and jumped to the new stripe. A copy was made.
Anyone that believes mag stripes provide viable security are simply living in the past. Besides, mag stripes are read/write media. RFID tags are not!
You were too busy being sarcastic to use your brain. What a surprise. As I said, I believe there are several others available. I found that one after 5-seconds on google.
Shooting it down with your brain turned off, only makes you an ass...which explains why you hid anonymously.
Actually, chances are about zero that he would lose his position on the bench. With that falsehood set aside, your comment really didn't add much to the thread.
Remember, we're not talking about someone that woke up that day and said, "I think I'm going to screw some people over." Generally, when a verdict is set aside, the Judge has legal standing to do so. Setting aside a verdict is supposed to be in the "interest of justice."
Long story short, we're back to my original statement, which is 100% valid.
If I remember correctly, there are several other pure python, SQL databases available too. Not to mention, if the need were there, it would/could certainly be developed quickly enough.
I'm not sure I would subscribe to your parking lot theory. It might be a good guage, but I've known people that drive 8-10 year old cars, that cost maybe $25k when they were new but owned a $150+k airplane. Likewise, I've known people that drive typical, unassuming 20-30k cars, but actually have a couple million in the bank. I've known yet more people that drive your typical sudan yet their homes were simply awesome...on the inside; yet fairly unassuming on the outside.
You need to remember that not everyone buys into the "my penis is small, therefore, I must be a newer, bigger car every 2-4 years", treadmill.
My point, prosperity != nice car. Sure, prosperity will certainly allow for a nice car, but those are two different things.
You can make a rough guess of their capabilities based on HUBBLE imagery, and add some factors for super-secret NSA abilities on top of that.
That's very, very, very, very, very, very doubtful that you can draw any such conclusion from the performance of Hubble. Hubble is designed to look VERY far away. In fact, Hubble has problems if it tries to focus on an object too near (the earth for example).
On top of that, Hubble is veyr much a modern telescope, simply put into orbit. It as very little in common with anything currently used as a spy telescope. Hubble is designed SPECIFICALLY to operate without an atmosphere. Spy sats are designed SPECIFICALLY to deal with atmospheric effects. Basically, Hubble and a spy telescopes have nothing but superficial commonalities.
Your assertion makes about as much sense as saying something like, "You can make a rough guess at what an orange tastes like by eating an apple." What? Sure, they are both fruits, but commonalities stop there.
I often find errors there. Simple fact is, "ultimate power" actually rests with the Judge. It is the Judge that gives validity to a jury's verdict. Sure, it's nice to play make believe and thing as the above state reads, but back in reality, Judges can and sometimes do set aside legally rendered jury verdicts and usurp it with their own.
In cases where a jury's verdict is contrary to established law, chances are a judge will set aside the jury's verdict.
IIRC, insurance on a car like that works out to be in the ball park of $1000 - $1500 a month. Just playing with some numbers, now, you're spending $2500/mo on a car. Want a nice place to live? In my town, a moderately nice yet basic one bedroom is going to run you ~$800-1200/mo, depending on the location. And when I say moderately nice, I don't mean anything fancy. I mean just a basic apartment with maybe a gate, a pool, and free basic cable/Internet access. Now you're at $3200 - $3700/mo. You've yet to buy gas, pay for food and clothes, utilities, or even the basics of life. Let's say you put 10% into your 401K. Now your take home of 7K/mo is 6.3K. After your car and apartment (no utilities yet or the basics of life, and no gas for your car). You now have roughly $2600 to pay for everything else.
Ahh, but wait...gas mileage is 8-11mpg. But hey, you bought it to have fun. That puts the mileage at roughly 5-7mpg. Let's call it 6. At 3.10g, estimated 32 miles to work (just saw the average in my area on the news the other day), that works out to be ~600+/mo in gas. But wait, being fine machinery that it is, expect to pay another $1000 - 1500/mo to keep it tuned up (I knew an owner, that was his claim for frequent driving). Total so far, $2100/mo.
All together, that leaves you roughly $500/mo to pay for utilities ($300/mo), plus food. I guess if you were really, really stupid and really, really wanted to drive an exotic, and can live on $200/mo of food, and run around naked, you could do it.
Long story short, only an absolute idiot would attempt to own AND DRIVE a car like that on a $100,000/yr income.
I actually knew I guy that did all this to own a vet. His income was in the (best guess) 60-70k range. He had no life and all of his money went to pay for his car, apartment, and the basics of life. He had no real money left in his pocket at the end of the month and he lived alone.
I've pulled down the big bill rates before too. I have gotten good rates $120 - $180/hr for months at a time before. Having said that, when you're between jobs, that works out to be $0/hr. After you pay for all the other goodies you noted above, the real rate you feel in your pocket at the end of the year is considerably smaller.
George Bush decided that we should no longer quality for over time. Most companies no longer pay overtime to programmers unless the market requires it. Most markets have not recovered to such a state. Fat chance getting overtime. Besides, chances are, we're talking about salaried people, which don't quality for overtime anyways.
I don't understand why they don't go with Python and jump Java. Python is already cross platform, easy to learn, and can be easily embedded into the binary.
All problems would be solved. Not to mention, the memory foot print required for OO would probably drop considerably.
Last I heard, ~4" resolution was available during the mid-80's. More current information on available resolutions is top secret and not available to the public.
Chances are, resolutions available from modern spy sats provide better than 4" resolution...especially when you consider the improvements available in active optics (active mirrors, etc), radar, and IR technologies.
I quit. Arguing with you is a waste of time. You are one of those classic Bush fan boys, everthing his administration does is perfect, everything that goes wrong was Clinton's fault, Bush's shit don't stink. Siggggghhhhhh.
You've simply proved you have no ability to read or comprehend. Sigghhhh. Bashing is bashing. But hey, when reality gets in your way which makes you look like an idiot, best thing to do is to simply attack the person that brought you back to reality so you can continue to delude your self. Sigghhh.
Everything I stated is factually true. If you want to bash someone, admit your a hater and simply want to bash. As I've stated MANY times already (which proves you either can't read or comprehend what you read), it's not like you need THIS situation to bash Bush. But, using this situation to bash Bush only proves you have no idea what you're talking about. Period. But then to go on irrationally like you have a valid reason is well...dumb.
And yet you're the one that doesn't understand. What a surprise...lol...
Try pulling your head out of your ass! Here's a simple example for your tiny brain. You need a quarter to go buy a glass of juice from Cindy over there. I give the quarter to you. *BLAM* You just got hit by a fucking car as you crossed the street and your head explodes! The money I gave you is lost, never to be recovered.
Now then, let's take a look at the grown up world. Had the money not been slashed, the money would of been spent STARTING to improve the levies. The project would not be anywhere near complete and the money would be lost, never to be recovered! Nothing would have changed, aside from the fact that money would of been spent and then flushed. At worst, you can legitimately argue that the money is equally flushed.
For it to really to have made much a difference, the funds would of had to been made available during Clinton's or very early Bush's administrations; yet in Bush's case, it was not on the table when he came into the office. But, they've been asking for this money since the 60's (as I found out today). So, there is a VERY long list of administrations to point a finger at. Opps....but wait....they've been wanting money since they 60's and the state/city never bothered to raise the funds themselves....hmmmm.... Seems like the best place to point a finger is at the state and the city it self....but I sure common sense is lost on you.
You're right. I stand corrected. I learned today that they've been begging for that money since the 60s. Basically, every President, since the 60's, screwed up. You want to point a finger this THIS president? That don't cut it! Not at all. There's plenty of pointing to go around. Fact is, if the President had granted the money, in this case, it would have all been wasted as it would have been upgraded in time.
Long story short, you probably need to blame Clinton or earilier if you really want to be reasonable here. Simple fact is, there is a huge difference between getting the money and having time to complete the project. Blaming this President completely ignores the reality that is the time required to upgrade the levies.
If you want to be irrational, continue to blame this President. While I personally think it's dumb to do so, it's not like you really need this situation to be upset with the President.
Found out today that they have been trying since the 60s to get funding to work on those levies.
Long story short, there's lots of blame over MANY administrations to go around. The short of it is, even if they had gotten their funding, chances are, the improvements would not have been completed and the money would have simply been wasted.
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That used to be true. It is no longer the case. You are also, only counting the overhead imposed by the system call and ignoring all the thread work that goes into user space.
Long story short, creating threads under Linux used to be fairly slow...even compared to a process...though it was faster strictly comparing the system call because the system call had to do less work. These days, creating threads under Linux is very fast. Modern kernels now have thread specific system calls...which means threads *may* (I'm actually not sure) actually be faster than process forking under Linux.
Any programmer who knows anything about Unix and Windows will tell you that threads are cheaper in Windows and processes are cheaper in Unix, because that's how they were designed.
That used to be true for Linux...but no longer. On Linux, threads are now faster than processes. Keep in mind, I'm only talking about creation latencies...not scalability or metrics of specific application using a specific implementation.
http://kerneltrap.org/node/422
Linux was fairly slow at thread creation. Linux is now wicked fast at thread creation. In one benchmark, what used to take 15-minutes for Linux, can now be completed in 2-seconds! No joke!
I don't have something I can point you at right, however, the information is true. Linux used to have horrible overhead imposed by thread creation. As a result of both the NGTL and NPLT projects, the time needed to create a thread on Linux is tiny...tiny...tiny...some of the well known results from the projects were published... Here's a quote:
"One test mentioned in Ulrich's email - running 100,000 concurrent threads on an IA-32 - generated some interesting discussion. Ingo Molnar explained that with the current stock 2.5 kernel such a test requires roughly 1GB RAM, and the act of starting and stopping all 100,000 threads in parallel takes only 2 seconds. In comparison, with the 2.5.31 kernel (prior to Ingo's recent threading work), such a test would have taken around 15 minutes."
http://kerneltrap.org/node/422
As you can see, the stellar increase in thread performance has been unbelievable. Keep in mind, prior to this effort, Linux's thread creation was no where near the performance delta gained from these projects. Ergo, one can easily deduce that Linux far exceeds (less time) Win's thread creation latencies.
In *public* schools, it is yet to be seen if a "code of conduct" can abridge any federal right. Sure, they may think they have clout...and they may even dance around like foolish clowns, but the reality is, in public schools, the schools are actually fairly restricted in what they can "govern" by their "code of conduct" as it pertains to federally granted rights. You know it, I know it, they know it. Just depends on how big an ass is running the school.
It really just boils down to, how far do you want to take it...and it really helps if the ACLU is there by your side to help run it along.
Good thing I said, "For the humor impaired, this was a joke!", otherwise, you would of been completely confused. :)
Isn't this announcement like digging up grandma and throwing her a birthday party?
For the humor impaired, this was a joke!
Glad to hear that BSD keeps on chugging along...Linux has a reputation for taking some excellent ideas and even implementation from the BSD guys....BSD improvements often translate into Linux improvements too.
Good job guys!
Mag stripes are very easy to copy. Some number of years ago, a contest was held (at MIT IIRC) to see how quickly a mag stripe on a credit card could be duplicated without the use of a card reader. The winners were able copy a mag stripe in something like 4-seconds. The applied heat with a new mag stripe touching the original. The electrons were excited and jumped to the new stripe. A copy was made.
Anyone that believes mag stripes provide viable security are simply living in the past. Besides, mag stripes are read/write media. RFID tags are not!
You were too busy being sarcastic to use your brain. What a surprise. As I said, I believe there are several others available. I found that one after 5-seconds on google.
Shooting it down with your brain turned off, only makes you an ass...which explains why you hid anonymously.
Actually, chances are about zero that he would lose his position on the bench. With that falsehood set aside, your comment really didn't add much to the thread.
Remember, we're not talking about someone that woke up that day and said, "I think I'm going to screw some people over." Generally, when a verdict is set aside, the Judge has legal standing to do so. Setting aside a verdict is supposed to be in the "interest of justice."
Long story short, we're back to my original statement, which is 100% valid.
http://www.pythonweb.org/projects/snakesql/
If I remember correctly, there are several other pure python, SQL databases available too. Not to mention, if the need were there, it would/could certainly be developed quickly enough.
I'm not sure I would subscribe to your parking lot theory. It might be a good guage, but I've known people that drive 8-10 year old cars, that cost maybe $25k when they were new but owned a $150+k airplane. Likewise, I've known people that drive typical, unassuming 20-30k cars, but actually have a couple million in the bank. I've known yet more people that drive your typical sudan yet their homes were simply awesome...on the inside; yet fairly unassuming on the outside.
You need to remember that not everyone buys into the "my penis is small, therefore, I must be a newer, bigger car every 2-4 years", treadmill.
My point, prosperity != nice car. Sure, prosperity will certainly allow for a nice car, but those are two different things.
You can make a rough guess of their capabilities based on HUBBLE imagery, and add some factors for super-secret NSA abilities on top of that.
That's very, very, very, very, very, very doubtful that you can draw any such conclusion from the performance of Hubble. Hubble is designed to look VERY far away. In fact, Hubble has problems if it tries to focus on an object too near (the earth for example).
On top of that, Hubble is veyr much a modern telescope, simply put into orbit. It as very little in common with anything currently used as a spy telescope. Hubble is designed SPECIFICALLY to operate without an atmosphere. Spy sats are designed SPECIFICALLY to deal with atmospheric effects. Basically, Hubble and a spy telescopes have nothing but superficial commonalities.
Your assertion makes about as much sense as saying something like, "You can make a rough guess at what an orange tastes like by eating an apple." What? Sure, they are both fruits, but commonalities stop there.
I often find errors there. Simple fact is, "ultimate power" actually rests with the Judge. It is the Judge that gives validity to a jury's verdict. Sure, it's nice to play make believe and thing as the above state reads, but back in reality, Judges can and sometimes do set aside legally rendered jury verdicts and usurp it with their own.
In cases where a jury's verdict is contrary to established law, chances are a judge will set aside the jury's verdict.
IIRC, insurance on a car like that works out to be in the ball park of $1000 - $1500 a month. Just playing with some numbers, now, you're spending $2500/mo on a car. Want a nice place to live? In my town, a moderately nice yet basic one bedroom is going to run you ~$800-1200/mo, depending on the location. And when I say moderately nice, I don't mean anything fancy. I mean just a basic apartment with maybe a gate, a pool, and free basic cable/Internet access. Now you're at $3200 - $3700/mo. You've yet to buy gas, pay for food and clothes, utilities, or even the basics of life. Let's say you put 10% into your 401K. Now your take home of 7K/mo is 6.3K. After your car and apartment (no utilities yet or the basics of life, and no gas for your car). You now have roughly $2600 to pay for everything else.
Ahh, but wait...gas mileage is 8-11mpg. But hey, you bought it to have fun. That puts the mileage at roughly 5-7mpg. Let's call it 6. At 3.10g, estimated 32 miles to work (just saw the average in my area on the news the other day), that works out to be ~600+/mo in gas. But wait, being fine machinery that it is, expect to pay another $1000 - 1500/mo to keep it tuned up (I knew an owner, that was his claim for frequent driving). Total so far, $2100/mo.
All together, that leaves you roughly $500/mo to pay for utilities ($300/mo), plus food. I guess if you were really, really stupid and really, really wanted to drive an exotic, and can live on $200/mo of food, and run around naked, you could do it.
Long story short, only an absolute idiot would attempt to own AND DRIVE a car like that on a $100,000/yr income.
I actually knew I guy that did all this to own a vet. His income was in the (best guess) 60-70k range. He had no life and all of his money went to pay for his car, apartment, and the basics of life. He had no real money left in his pocket at the end of the month and he lived alone.
I've pulled down the big bill rates before too. I have gotten good rates $120 - $180/hr for months at a time before. Having said that, when you're between jobs, that works out to be $0/hr. After you pay for all the other goodies you noted above, the real rate you feel in your pocket at the end of the year is considerably smaller.
and you get time-and-a-half overtime
George Bush decided that we should no longer quality for over time. Most companies no longer pay overtime to programmers unless the market requires it. Most markets have not recovered to such a state. Fat chance getting overtime. Besides, chances are, we're talking about salaried people, which don't quality for overtime anyways.
I guess that is the obvious answer...doh! Fair enough.
I don't understand why they don't go with Python and jump Java. Python is already cross platform, easy to learn, and can be easily embedded into the binary.
All problems would be solved. Not to mention, the memory foot print required for OO would probably drop considerably.
Last I heard, ~4" resolution was available during the mid-80's. More current information on available resolutions is top secret and not available to the public.
Chances are, resolutions available from modern spy sats provide better than 4" resolution...especially when you consider the improvements available in active optics (active mirrors, etc), radar, and IR technologies.
Wesnoth supports hot-seat games...just a question of if you consider that to be a "party" game.
I quit. Arguing with you is a waste of time. You are one of those classic Bush fan boys, everthing his administration does is perfect, everything that goes wrong was Clinton's fault, Bush's shit don't stink. Siggggghhhhhh.
You've simply proved you have no ability to read or comprehend. Sigghhhh. Bashing is bashing. But hey, when reality gets in your way which makes you look like an idiot, best thing to do is to simply attack the person that brought you back to reality so you can continue to delude your self. Sigghhh.
Everything I stated is factually true. If you want to bash someone, admit your a hater and simply want to bash. As I've stated MANY times already (which proves you either can't read or comprehend what you read), it's not like you need THIS situation to bash Bush. But, using this situation to bash Bush only proves you have no idea what you're talking about. Period. But then to go on irrationally like you have a valid reason is well...dumb.
You are pretty dense.
And yet you're the one that doesn't understand. What a surprise...lol...
Try pulling your head out of your ass! Here's a simple example for your tiny brain. You need a quarter to go buy a glass of juice from Cindy over there. I give the quarter to you. *BLAM* You just got hit by a fucking car as you crossed the street and your head explodes! The money I gave you is lost, never to be recovered.
Now then, let's take a look at the grown up world. Had the money not been slashed, the money would of been spent STARTING to improve the levies. The project would not be anywhere near complete and the money would be lost, never to be recovered! Nothing would have changed, aside from the fact that money would of been spent and then flushed. At worst, you can legitimately argue that the money is equally flushed.
For it to really to have made much a difference, the funds would of had to been made available during Clinton's or very early Bush's administrations; yet in Bush's case, it was not on the table when he came into the office. But, they've been asking for this money since the 60's (as I found out today). So, there is a VERY long list of administrations to point a finger at. Opps....but wait....they've been wanting money since they 60's and the state/city never bothered to raise the funds themselves....hmmmm.... Seems like the best place to point a finger is at the state and the city it self....but I sure common sense is lost on you.
Did that sink into your dense, child-like head?
Dumbass.
You're right. I stand corrected. I learned today that they've been begging for that money since the 60s. Basically, every President, since the 60's, screwed up. You want to point a finger this THIS president? That don't cut it! Not at all. There's plenty of pointing to go around. Fact is, if the President had granted the money, in this case, it would have all been wasted as it would have been upgraded in time.
Long story short, you probably need to blame Clinton or earilier if you really want to be reasonable here. Simple fact is, there is a huge difference between getting the money and having time to complete the project. Blaming this President completely ignores the reality that is the time required to upgrade the levies.
If you want to be irrational, continue to blame this President. While I personally think it's dumb to do so, it's not like you really need this situation to be upset with the President.
Found out today that they have been trying since the 60s to get funding to work on those levies.
Long story short, there's lots of blame over MANY administrations to go around. The short of it is, even if they had gotten their funding, chances are, the improvements would not have been completed and the money would have simply been wasted.