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Fatal Flaw Weakens RFID Passports

fmwap writes "Wired news is reporting on new measures being taken to ensure RFID in US passports are not traceable. Encryption will be implemented via a key printed on the passport, which will be read by an optical scanner. The problem is the RFID serial number used for collisions will not be encrypted as is required for communication, thus still allowing tracking." We've previously reported on the decision to chip U.S. passports. From the article: "To its credit, the State Department listened to the criticism. As a result, RFID passports will now include a thin radio shield in their covers, protecting the chips when the passports are closed. Although some have derided this as a tinfoil hat for passports, the fact is the measure will prevent the documents from being snooped when closed." Update: 11/04 16:08 GMT by Z : Edited for accuracy.

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  1. Put away your tinfoil hats... by phpm0nkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Time to don the full body tinfoil armor!

    1. Re:Put away your tinfoil hats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why areyou trying to block our xray machine with your suit... citizen...

    2. Re:Put away your tinfoil hats... by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      Thanks, but I actually prefer my +5 Skyclad Armour. :)

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    3. Re:Put away your tinfoil hats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny


        Time to don the full body tinfoil armor!


      You must have missed the announcement that all tin foil manufacturers have started putting rfid chips in their products.

    4. Re:Put away your tinfoil hats... by moro_666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Instead of wearing the tinfoil armour, i suggest you look into the mirror, understand that most of the world really doesn't give a lama's ass about where who and why you are. If people are capable of scanning/tracking your rfid chip, they probably are talented enough to do much more profitable stuff.

      Dont let that ego cover you up in tinfoil, try to get in touch with reality for a second ... (and they tell me that i with my 128 bit encryption am being paranoid ... ha!)

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    5. Re:Put away your tinfoil hats... by Hrodvitnir · · Score: 1

      Sophisticated criminals might not care who/where you are, but if there was an easy way to track people, I wouldn't doubt for a second that the government would jump on it.

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    6. Re:Put away your tinfoil hats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the most sophisticated criminals ARE IN the government.

    7. Re:Put away your tinfoil hats... by cgenman · · Score: 1

      understand that most of the world really doesn't give a lama's ass about where who and why you are.

      Unfortunately, most of the world wouldn't think twice about destroying you if it thought you were doing somthing suspicious.

      Guilty or innocent, why take that risk? We did track you in a cafe with a known terrorist, and you then did proceed to a known terrorist used bookstore. We should take you into Gitmo now, to protect the innocent. The fears of the many outweigh the rights of the few.

      Of course, this being a passport, it is more likely that foreign governments would be tracking everyone. I don't know which is more scary.

    8. Re:Put away your tinfoil hats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think you're overestimating the difficulty of snooping RFIDs. It's only going to get easier, too. You won't need to be an expert to snoop these passports; I'd bet you anything that soon after their introduction you'll just need a laptop, some cheap add-on, and some easily downloaded software.

      Now, about people not caring who you are. That may be true for the most part, but did you even read the article? What about the example of bombs that are triggered by Americans in their proximity? What about criminals looking for victims (travelling Americans) out of their element in a foreign nation?

      It's a bad idea to design systems with known security flaws, when the solutions are well known and actually cheaper than the broken design itself. In this situation, the solution is a smart-card with physical contacts for the reader.

  2. Microwave your Passport? by n76lima · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So its time to Microwave your new Passport for a few seconds to cook the RFID device, right?

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    1. Re:Microwave your Passport? by despe666 · · Score: 1

      Very good idea, that way you'll get thrown in jail next time you take the plane because you tampered with your passport. How else do you think they'll react when they'll expect a RFID signal and will get none?

    2. Re:Microwave your Passport? by UTPinky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep... because tampering with federal documents is always the smartest thing to do...

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    3. Re:Microwave your Passport? by MntlChaos · · Score: 2, Informative

      How else do you think they'll react when they'll expect a RFID signal and will get none?

      They'll assume the RFID chip broke. It happens occasionally. My college has had RFID-based ID cards, and there have been instances when the cards just suddenly stop working. The office in charge of them seemed to know that this occured and was ready to make new cards if needed.

    4. Re:Microwave your Passport? by krakelohm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what would the point be if they just have to give you another passport? Just sounds like a waste of many peoples time to me.

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    5. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll assume the RFID chip broke.

      But you are in bad luck when you travel from a suspect country or have a suspect skin color. Then you are stored in a security zone like guatama bay.

      The passport is protected by a tin hat (tm) that protect the rfid chip against such damage.

    6. Re:Microwave your Passport? by johnpaul191 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but if you cook it a second or two longer than needed it will burn the area where the chip is. a chip embedded in a plastic ID card is easier to destroy than one embedded in a basically paper document. did you ever see the pictures of the money people microwave? they have obvious burn marks where the chips supposedly are.

      and as also stated, having a non-functional passport may be flagged as possible forgery and lead to bigger issues.

      i am just as against the chips as anyone else, but think it through before you react. personally my passport needs to be renewed now so i will do that and not be an early adopter of the RFID model. hopefully any issues will show up and a fix will be worked out before i get a chipped one. by fix i even mean some 3rd party idea of a shielded passport wallet or something if that is what it comes down to.

    7. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Marillion · · Score: 4, Interesting
      If the destruction can appear as innocent "wear and tear" one can always feign innocence. It wouldn't put a foil lined document in a microwave, however.

      I'm not too worried about the data that's on there. The level of sophistication required to acquire and decrypt my details is pretty high. I'd be more worried about a lightning strike.

      This is the scenario that give me the willies: The "ping" scenario. Most of us know about the internet tool called ping. A terrorist (or anyone else with strong motivations against the US) is walking down the streets of Paris or Frankfort or Cairo or wherever looking for Americans. He doesn't care who the American is, he just cares that someone is an American. He walks down the street getting within a foot or two of people until he gets an RFID ping.

      RFID Ping == American.
      American == Target.

      I've yet to hear anyone adequately appease this concern.

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    8. Re:Microwave your Passport? by hypergreatthing · · Score: 1

      So uhh... how about the x-ray machine at the airport? Would that fry a RFID chip?

    9. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1
      Very good idea, that way you'll get thrown in jail next time you take the plane because you tampered with your passport

      So microwave other people's passports instead . . .

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    10. Re:Microwave your Passport? by bastion_xx · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, you could always keep your passport locked in the hotel safe.

      Of course, the supposed terrorist could always check:

      a) Does the individual wear white tennis shoes (black socks and shorts optional)?
      b) Speak in a loud and/or abrasive manner?
      c) Stands to the left on an escalator (or any other cultural misqueue)

      Being an US citizen and traveling abroad quite often to Europe, it's not too hard picking out my compatriots.

      The same can be said for European's in the US. European males -- LOSE THE MAN-CAPRI'S PLEASE! :)

    11. Re:Microwave your Passport? by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      If they no longer expose photographic film, they aren't gonna fry an RFID chip.

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    12. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is my limited understanding that the RFID model complies with international requirements. In other words won't EVERYONE be carrying RFID chipped passports eventually?

      Then the American "Ping Of Death" won't be an issue.

    13. Re:Microwave your Passport? by _bug_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      did you ever see the pictures of the money people microwave? they have obvious burn marks where the chips supposedly are.

      That's been debunked. See here and here.

      There are no RFID tags in Andrew Jackson's eye.

    14. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      RFID Ping == American. American == Target.

      I've yet to hear anyone adequately appease this concern.

      Don't walk around with your passport open?

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    15. Re:Microwave your Passport? by imadork · · Score: 1
      Well, you could always keep your passport locked in the hotel safe.

      Some countries (like Japan) require all foreign visitors to carry their passport on their person at all times.

    16. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Hillgiant · · Score: 3, Funny
      RFID Ping == American.
      American == Target.

      I will do you one better, RFID seaking missile.

      Have a nice damn day.

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    17. Re:Microwave your Passport? by BewireNomali · · Score: 1

      Lol @ Euro males in the US - don 't forget the man purses and open toed sandals.

      lol

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    18. Re:Microwave your Passport? by 87C751 · · Score: 1
      RFID Ping == American.
      American == Target.

      I've yet to hear anyone adequately appease this concern.
      /me dons the cynical man's hat.

      Perhaps that's because that scenario is a deliberate design decision? Or, more correctly, it's an inevitable outfall from a design constraint; that of deploying a mechanism for surreptitiously tracking US passport holders.

      Of course, the State Department steadfastly refuses to acknowledge that passports are ever examined except at border crossings.

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    19. Re:Microwave your Passport? by PerlDudeXL · · Score: 1

      I thought about this too. The problem is: you don't own the passport. you are damaging a federal document.

      I have to renew my passport too, but I don't want to get into trouble by damaging it. Especially not
      at the US border.

    20. Re:Microwave your Passport? by k31bang · · Score: 1

      It might be a Federal document, but with a total standard (non rushed) fee of $97, I should be able to f#ck with it if I want to. ;-) (of course that would probobly result in another $97 fee, but that is outside the scope of my worthless point) Cost figures from here.

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    21. Re:Microwave your Passport? by e2ka · · Score: 3, Funny

      RFID Ping == American.
      American == Target.


      Wouldn't it be easier just to identify the grotesquly overweight pasty white individual in a hawaiian shirt, jean shorts, cowboy hat, and aviation glasses, who is taking an average of 6.3 photographs per second?

    22. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the US requires you to carry the I94 at all times, which is helpfully stapled in your passport.

      INA 264(e):
      "(e) Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d). Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both."

    23. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Scary idea, but totally paranoid.

      We have bigger problems, like the greenhouse effect, adiposity, drug misuse or aids, which all cause more deads than some disoriented fanatics.

    24. Re:Microwave your Passport? by VikingDBA · · Score: 1

      Why should they go to the trouble and expense. It's not like we are very hard to spot us in a crowd. You just have to pick out the poorly dressed, fat white couple yelling "Hello, anyone speak English?"

    25. Re:Microwave your Passport? by haraldm · · Score: 1

      Well - what I heard on the TV last night says that experts in Switzerland don't expect most chips to work longer than a couple of months anyway. You don't treat your passport like a raw egg, do you?

      Anyway you will be interrogated more intensively if the chip breaks for whatever reason. This will produce false positives en masse I believe.

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    26. Re:Microwave your Passport? by haraldm · · Score: 1

      Perhaps that's because that scenario is a deliberate design decision? Naaah. That's collateral damage.

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    27. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you could always keep your passport locked in the hotel safe.

      Bad idea. In most European countries it is required for people to carry either the national ID card or the passport. A driver's license or other documents are not a sufficient ID there -- although this varies somewhat from country to country.

    28. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Marillion · · Score: 1
      Okay, getting a bit off topic:

      I was sitting down in the plaza outside Notre Dame Cathedral. There is a line where people can climb the 300+ stairs into the bellfry. Someone from the cathedral was canvasing the line with a stack informational leaflets. Different languages were printed in different color paper. The guy had an amazing ability to look at the next person in line and begin pulling the correct color before speaking with them. Once in a while he had to put one back and get another color, but that moment really sold me on how much we wear our cultural identities in public.

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    29. Re:Microwave your Passport? by 6*7 · · Score: 1

      There are countries that require /everyone/ to always has identy papers on them, eg in the Netherlands (only 12+ olds IIRC). But atleast you don't have to show them on "their" every whim.

    30. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the thing is that with this it's much easier to make a bomb in a trash can that recognizes passing US passports than it is to make one that recognizes passing couture (or lack of it) - people are good at making these value judgments, bombs are not

    31. Re:Microwave your Passport? by johnpaul191 · · Score: 1

      wow, but i first read that on slashdot!?!

      anyway, the thing about bank notes is not that important. the important point is that it seems RFID chips will burn up under a microwave. best case scenario they get deactivated, and the worst case is your passport catching on fire. even if deactivated, you may be (at least temporarily) flagged for having a sketchy passport. the whole point of the chip working is that a fake passport will not have a functional chip......... so you know where that can get you.

    32. Re:Microwave your Passport? by seven7h · · Score: 1

      Don't know how well this will work, as not only americans will have these RFID chips in their passports. Here in New Zealand we are getting them in all new passports beginning this week.

    33. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      film is not silicon - knocking electrons off of silver atoms and moving around holes in NVRAM conduction bands are probably quite
      different operations .... but I think we have to guess that they already thought that this might be an issue and have been passing them thru all sorts of (old 3rd world) xray machines just in case

    34. Re:Microwave your Passport? by TX297 · · Score: 1
      Of course, the supposed terrorist could always check:

      a) Does the individual wear white tennis shoes (black socks and shorts optional)?
      b) Speak in a loud and/or abrasive manner?
      c) Stands to the left on an escalator (or any other cultural misqueue)

      The problem is these RFIDs being used in automatic detonation devices. Like TFA mentioned, terrorists could make explosive devices that detonate when surrounded by say... 4 Americans.

    35. Re:Microwave your Passport? by njyoder · · Score: 1

      What's the point in giving a replacement passport for one that's been damaged? Are you serious? How is that even remotely insightful?

      I'm not even sure what you're getting at here. Getting a replacement passport wouldn't be easy, obviously, so it's not like you could say "hey I want a replacement" and they just hand it over. They'd require you to go through the same kinds of verification that you'd need to go through to get the passport the first time you had it issued. That's not something they could do while you're sitting at terminal waiting for a plane to take off.

    36. Re:Microwave your Passport? by njyoder · · Score: 1

      by fix i even mean some 3rd party idea of a shielded passport wallet or something if that is what it comes down to.

      Er, did you even read the Slashdot summary? Wow, not only are people not reading the articles anymore, they're not reading the summaries provided by Slashdot. The passports have built-in shields. This concern has already been address. Mod this down -1000, moron.

    37. Re:Microwave your Passport? by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      He could just shoot the guy yelling at the French clerk for not speaking English. That guy is probably American.

      No, seriously though. Aren't there many other ways to figure out who is an American, such as attacking the American Embassy and the guys walking out of it? Why bother doing RFID when you might end up killing a French dude who bought an American-made T-shirt with an RFID tag in it?

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    38. Re:Microwave your Passport? by dcam · · Score: 1

      I dislike RFIID as much as you do, but please lets keep the FUD only coming from the proponents.

      If you RTA, you will see that questions like this have been addressed in the v2 of RFIID passports. In v2 the RFIID is shielded so that it is only readable of the passport is open. Now it is possible that this is not suffuciently shielded, and there are issues at checkpoints, but this is a different issue to the one you are addressing.

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    39. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just how would you make a bomb that would detect an American by those methods? It is trivial to make a bomb that contains a powerful RFID reader (a few hundred watts instead of the standard 5) and set it to detonate when X Americans are in range.

    40. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      depends if you enjoy being probed when you go through customs....

    41. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not something they could do while you're sitting at terminal waiting for a plane to take off.

      Exactly. So I hope you don't mind missing your plane while you wait for the replacement.

    42. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Autonomous+Crowhard · · Score: 1
      A perfectly valid thing to do. I just hope you don't mind getting about as much attention as people who leave their piercings in.

      Heck, why not just take a sharpie and scribble over all the information in the passport. I'm sure the TSA drone will laugh, chuck you on the shoulder, and say "Welcome home".

    43. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Binky+The+Oracle · · Score: 1

      I know you were just making a joke, but why is it that an American trying to speak English in France or Germany or Italy or Mexico is culturally insensitive, while a Mexican immigrant in the U.S. enjoys state-mandated bilingual education, ballots, and, in fact, pretty much any governmental communication? A single-language American is boorish, a single-language Mexican is somehow noble and multi-cultural.

      Why is it that I'm considered culturally insensitive in some areas of the U.S. for assuming that people speak English?

      I'm not saying that speaking a second or third language isn't desireable, I just don't understand why Americans alone are so widely held to the double-standard.

      As far as the original topic goes, I think slapping RFID chips into something as sensitive as a passport is a little premature. Was there ever a test using, say, only the passports of the diplomatic corps or civil servants? Or maybe using them in military or congressional IDs? I'd like the folks doing the deciding to put up with the issues prior to slapping them on the entire populace.

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    44. Re:Microwave your Passport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Of course, the supposed terrorist could always check:
      a) Does the individual wear white tennis shoes (black socks and shorts optional)?
      b) Speak in a loud and/or abrasive manner?
      c) Stands to the left on an escalator (or any other cultural misqueue)

      As everyone knows, English is understood everywhere as long as it's spoken LOUDLY ENOUGH.

  3. This says it all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.cafepress.com/berfid * Does the barcoded stamp qualify as irony?

  4. TFA is inconsistent by Agelmar · · Score: 4, Informative
    TFA is flawed and inconsistent with its own citations. RFID chips in passports can not be read from a distance of 69 feet. If one reads TFA, it links to a Washington Post blog about RFID tags being read from 69 feet at Defcon. If you actually follow the link and read the story, however, you see:
    Los Angeles-based Flexilis set the world record for transmitting data to and from a "passive" radio frequency identification (RFID) card -- covering a distance of more than 69 feet. (Active RFID -- the kind being integrated into foreign passports, for example -- differs from passive RFID in that it emits its own magnetic signal and can only be detected from a much shorter distance.)
    The author is misrepresenting articles that he cites! wtf?
    1. Re:TFA is inconsistent by Goaway · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What, are you expecting sensible, informed or balanced reporting on RFID to appear on Slashdot?

    2. Re:TFA is inconsistent by starrift · · Score: 5, Informative

      The RFIDs in the passports are passive. They were to be active but that was canceled. I think you may be "misrepresenting articles."

    3. Re:TFA is inconsistent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The foreign passports cited in the Post blog use magnetic, active RFID. The State Department-mandated passports are to use passive RFID, like the sort that was tested at DefCon.

    4. Re:TFA is inconsistent by Bastian · · Score: 1

      That may be, but I'm not taking my tinfoil hat off yet.

      We have radio telescopes that can see objects billions of light years away. Folks can build antennas that let them boost the range of their wi-fi reception to a mile on the cheap. I'm sure a motivated wrongdoer can put together a device that can talk to passport RFID chips from a greater distance than intended.

    5. Re:TFA is inconsistent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, inductively coupled passive tags are difficult to read at 1 meter much less 69 feet. The energy required to power a shielded tag at 69 feet would be insane. And, this same signal would interfere with the detection of the tag's response. Something is wrong.

      Also for you privacy aware foks, there is more of a privacy risk associated with the data written to the RFID from the reader since that transmission can be detected at a fair distance.

    6. Re:TFA is inconsistent by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      We have radio telescopes that can see objects billions of light years away. Folks can build antennas that let them boost the range of their wi-fi reception to a mile on the cheap. I'm sure a motivated wrongdoer can put together a device that can talk to passport RFID chips from a greater distance than intended.

      Motivation can't change the laws of physics. Inverse square law pretty much ensures that if someone is trying to read your passport from across the street, they'll need to point a 6 foot dish at you. Besides, as the blurb says, they can't be read unless the passport is open. So long as you keep it shut they can't read it at all.

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    7. Re:TFA is inconsistent by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      Picking up the signal from the RFID is not a problem although it is still difficult if you want to do it discretely without a dish reflector. The bigger problem is safely beaming enough energy to the RFID to power it up from a significant distance.

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    8. Re:TFA is inconsistent by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Besides, as the blurb says, they can't be read unless the passport is open. So long as you keep it shut they can't read it at all.

      Do you really believe that?

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    9. Re:TFA is inconsistent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a battle of cryptology wits, I'd put my money on Bruce Schneier over the Washington Post. I'm guessing the Post got it wrong.

      If nothing else, I'm not quite sure what a magnetic signal is. These are radio-frequency chips, so they use electromagnetic signals. If they can't even get the basic physics terms right, I'm not to hopeful about the rest.

    10. Re:TFA is inconsistent by SiliconEntity · · Score: 4, Informative

      Los Angeles-based Flexilis set the world record for transmitting data to and from a "passive" radio frequency identification (RFID) card -- covering a distance of more than 69 feet. (Active RFID -- the kind being integrated into foreign passports, for example -- differs from passive RFID in that it emits its own magnetic signal and can only be detected from a much shorter distance.)

      This article (from the WaPost blog) is confused. Active RFID has a battery attached to the chip. It has MUCH higher power and MUCH higher range. It can be used for tracking animals in the field and similar purposes. You can receive a signal from hundreds of yards away or even more. It's really unlimited depending on how much power you use.

      Passive RFID has no internal power supply. It gets power from the radio signal that is used to query it. These chips have a much lower range. Generally, the power required to query a passive RFID goes as the fourth power of the distance. I can't imagine successfully querying one of these things from 70 feet. That is some pretty impressive antenna technology, either that or they were using a microwave beam so intense that it would be dangerous to get in front of it.

      AFAIK all passports would be passive RFID. Nobody has proposed to put batteries in them, because of battery lifetime issues among other problems.

    11. Re:TFA is inconsistent by mpe · · Score: 1

      If nothing else, I'm not quite sure what a magnetic signal is. These are radio-frequency chips, so they use electromagnetic signals. If they can't even get the basic physics terms right, I'm not to hopeful about the rest.

      Maybe they are refering to induction as opposed to EM radiation.

    12. Re:TFA is inconsistent by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      I think there are some flaws in this logic.

      First, I doubt they are planning to put active RFID tags in passports. The batteries you could reasonably fit in a passport won't last for the ten years until your passport expires. I'm expecting a semi-passive design instead, where power comes from the reader, but it uses that to store a charge which is used to power a transmitter at a fixed power level.

      Second, you do realize that active RFID was primarily designed to have LONGER range than passive, not shorter, right? That's an active RFID tag in that little device that you use to pay bridge tolls without stopping. All active RFID does is ensure that you can't boost the output power by boosting the input power. It doesn't necessarily mean that it won't be readable from a distance. Some active RFID devices are capable of transmitting 90+ feet. So basically we just have to trust the government not to have a secret backdoor message that switches the transmitter's operating mode to a higher power rating? Hardly comforting, particularly given their poor handling of handling security issues in the past.

      Even if you believe them, though, the inverse square law is largely irrelevant here. You can make that up with input gain in your receive circuit until you fall below the level of background noise. But even better, because you will always get the exact same result from a single RFID tag, you can repeatedly query it and sum the replies, then process the result, which should dramatically increase the usable range. Granted, you would have to have a pretty good predictor of when the data started, but still, that would require a level WAY below the level needed to actually decode the data accurately.

      Countdown to RFID sniper rifles (a la bluetooth): 6 months and counting.

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    13. Re:TFA is inconsistent by Cili · · Score: 1

      The information that the RFID card sends is not readable at 69 feet, BUT what the reader sends is readable even further.

      ISO14443 states that during the anticollision loop for class A RFID smartcards the reader broadcasts the UID (Unique IDentifier, reffered in the article as 'RFID serial number') of the card it selects to communicate with.

      I know this first hand, as I checked the new European Passports for the same flaw exposed in the article, and they were vulnerable also. The only way to bypass this problem is to have the UID randomly generated on the fly, but that increases the cost of the chip.

  5. sheesh... by tuxette · · Score: 0, Redundant

    *sigh*

    Remind me to go out and buy a tinfoil money belt the next time I go on a trip...

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    1. Re:sheesh... by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      I always thought an RF shielded backpack would be a nice idea, and after a lot of googling I found This would work nicely.
      Would also make it easy to shoplift from stores that use RF to track items.

      Probably worth stocking up on before someone finds a way to make them illegal. Word it right and you could get a lot of people behind a bill banning them (you know, the "What do you have to hide?" crowd mixed with some aforementioned stealing possibility)

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    2. Re:sheesh... by tuxette · · Score: 1

      Ooooooh! I can get one of those and wear it the next time I go to London, and run around in a Tube station in it...!! *does happy penguin dance*

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  6. Tin-hat tin-pot by Gingernads · · Score: 1

    Isn't the whole point of the tin-hat to give the public confidence, while still allowing tracking by suitably equipped (funded) parties? Or did I just wake up?

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    1. Re:Tin-hat tin-pot by igny · · Score: 2, Funny

      Isn't the whole point of the tin-hat to give the public confidence, while still allowing tracking by suitably equipped (funded) parties?

      How hard is it to track a person with tin-hat in public places?

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  7. kidnapping travelling americans made easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. sweep crowd with long range detector

    2. go after wealthy american traveller

    3. ???

    4. profit!

    1. Re:kidnapping travelling americans made easy by tuxette · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why bother? American tourists are very easy to spot without having to resort to fancy technology. Just follow the bright white sneakers and the loud complaints about the food, the hotel, the prices, etc. etc...

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    2. Re:kidnapping travelling americans made easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why stop there? This is also a great way to determine which house or car is worth breaking into! Selective burgling! (burglary?)

    3. Re:kidnapping travelling americans made easy by Catbeller · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My mom used to work at the welfare office for the Cabrini Green projects in Chicago. She used to listen to some of her fellow workers sitting at screens, data mining the client's records for people who weren't at home during working hours. They were using the information to rob the empty homes during lunch hours. True story.

      Technology gives bad people with power ever more ways of fucking you over. If they DON'T need the tool, don't give it to them. We didn't need RFID passports before, and we don't need them now. Misdirection is afoot. What ELSE are they adding to the passports besides RFID? Get that question answered, and you'll know how they are fucking us in brand new ways.

      When a corporation or a government (in the U.S., indistiguishable now) wants a new way to track people, it's never for the citizens' good, but for their own. Acquiesence to tyranny happens a tiny bit at a time. In twenty years, a whole generation of the world's people will have grown up in a virtual prison, and won't even notice.

    4. Re:kidnapping travelling americans made easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In twenty years, a whole generation of the world's people will have grown up in a virtual prison, and won't even notice."

      A vast majority won't notice? or more likely won't care? Apathy is what is killing a lot of things. I know i'm lazy and uncaring most of the time, unfortunately.

    5. Re:kidnapping travelling americans made easy by Internet+Ronin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but my country can still beat up your country.

    6. Re:kidnapping travelling americans made easy by tuxette · · Score: 1

      Puh. All your country needs to do is sit on our country and we're lost...

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    7. Re:kidnapping travelling americans made easy by middlemen · · Score: 1

      yes and The Matrix will be a reality. Can I take the job of Agent Smith!?

    8. Re:kidnapping travelling americans made easy by njyoder · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I love how Slashdotters continually prove their complete lack of critical thinking skills. Your own example disproves your point. Currently, people are still capable of reading information off the computer screens at airports. After these new passports are issued, people will still be capable of doing the exact same thing. It is not made any easier.

      If you're accusing the government of foul play, that's ridiculous, since the current system already allows them to track all the flights you take, since current passports HAVE ALL YOUR INFORMATION WRITTEN ON THEM.

      Now that's the part you missed: CURRENT PASSPORTS HAVE ALL YOUR INFORMATION WRITTEN ON THEM IN PLAIN, HUMAN READABLE LANGUAGE. And yet, somehow these are going to increase the risks somehow? Whaaaaaa?

      It amazes me what gets moderated as insightful, considering how a little critical thought here reveals that obvious statement. Government tracking is not actually made the slightest bit easier here. If you actually read critiques by security experts, none of credible ones are even using that as a point of criticism, their issue is criminals using the information ( and the financial costs of implementing the system), which is quelled by the fact that it can only be read a few centimeters away and is self-shielded.

      Now the benefit of this technology, w hich you ignored, is that it makes passports much harder to forge. But I guess you want passports to be easy to forge, because you believe strongly in identity theft (maybe not, but I'm just exercising the same hyperbole you use).

      In twenty years, a whole generation of the world's people will have grown up in a virtual prison, and won't even notice.

      Only on Slashdot can a comment like this get moderated up to be insightful. This should be an instant sign that this guy is an idiot and should be moderated down to -1. Go ahead you paranoid, anti-american twits, moderate my comment flamebait, but I know you won't sleep well doing it--you will only mod me down to censor me (hypocritically at that), because you can't rationally address my arguments.

  8. What a surprise. by iainl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As with the UK's attempts to push through ID cards, the politicians in charge have at best a vague fuzzy idea of what the technology can do, but it sounds funky so let's do it anyway.

    Tiny details like monumental security problems and the things plain not working don't exist in the simplified pitch they get from their lobbyists, so they continue to push it through anyway, on the grounds that it's "Anti-Terror".

    You don't support Terror, do you?

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    1. Re:What a surprise. by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You don't support Terror, do you?

      I'm glad you put that at the end of your post to highlight the stupid bumper sticker half-assed arguments that are used to shut critics up and to push through agendas.

      FTFA:It made a mistake designing this behind closed doors. There needs to be some pretty serious quality assurance and testing before deploying this system, and this includes careful security evaluations by independent security experts. Right now the State Department has no intention of doing that; it's already committed to a scheme before knowing if it even works or if it protects privacy.

      They'll implement this shit, our privacy and rights will be reduced another notch, and the bad guys will have yet another avenue to attack us.

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    2. Re:What a surprise. by dwandy · · Score: 1
      it's dot-com, but instead of losing your investment, you lose life/liberty...

      imho, IT is the single most misunderstood event/thing in human history; yet there are constantly new uses that fail to address impacts/flaws/hacks/misuse, disregard how well IT actually addresses the problem, and ignore any new problems that might be created by the IT solution.

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    3. Re:What a surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anyone using the word "funky" without referring to Bootsy Collins is a gormless youppy cunt

  9. So... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this magical RFID device needs to be opened manually, looked at, checked, optically scanned and then finally used as RFID to get the digital picture and print from the device?

    This is going to take 3x longer and be prone to more failures surely?
    This is a benefit how?

    Surely a 2d barcode would be better, or just use old tech mag swipe?

    Stupid mofo imbeciles.

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    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This is a benefit how?

      It allows the same technology to eventually be embedded in your hand or head? Nicely hidden, of course, so as not to mess peoples prettiness up with barcodes or magnetic strips.

    2. Re:So... by origamy · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing: Why not use a barcode?

      But then I remembered - governments want to appear "up to date" with the newest technologies and darcodes are soooo 1980s. To them, RFID is a buzz word, just like AJAX. So they go for it...

      Also, remember, they want to know about you before you're close to them, so RFID has some advantages for them...

    3. Re:So... by avdp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think the handling speed is, or has ever been a concern. After all, they started taking pictures and finger prints of many passengers coming into the US. Hardly a speedy process.

      The point of the new passports are twofold: raise the bar on forgers (it's always a cat and mouse game) and carry verifiable biometric information. Just to make you really are who you say you are. Of course, how is that going to prevent terrorism is beyond me. But I guess Osama Bin Ladden will have a harder time coming to the US for his yearly trip to Disney World.

    4. Re:So... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      But they can;t get the information without opening the passport and optically scanning it anyway now.

      The only practical beneift with RFID is now 100% totally gone.

      Its just all bullshit really.

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    5. Re:So... by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1
      This is a benefit how?

      You're right of course, it isn't a benefit at all. In fact I would say that RFID is a poor technology for use in an ID document. You've gotta wonder how the brainstorming session went:

      Boss: We need machine-readable data on this passport. But we only want it to be read by someone actually holding it. Like RFID that only works when you touch it . . .

      Underling: I've got it! RFID with a shield around it.

      Every advantage of RFID is a liability in this application. Almost any kind of contact or optically readable format would be preferable. Someone sufficiently powerful got a hard-on for RFID and no one wanted the headache of telling the boss that it was a stupid idea.

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    6. Re:So... by llefler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is no problem with putting biometric information into a 2d barcode. A PDF417 barcode can hold 1100-1800 characters of data. Datamatrix can hold about 2000 characters. And there is no reason why there couldn't be more than one barcode in the passport. If I remember the sizes correctly, probably 3-4 barcodes per page.

      RFIDs typically hold 2k (or less) data. And there is nothing special about RFID that will stop counterfeiting.

      But hey, if it's good enough for Walmart.... Only terrorists need privacy. And that RFID will help them locate US hostages. (although probably only for the terrorists)

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    7. Re:So... by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Surely a 2d barcode would be better, or just use old tech mag swipe?

      According to the State Department the chip will contain a complete electronic picture of the passport holder. Neither barcodes (even the 2D variety) nor mag stripes store information at high enough density to make this practical.

      Fortunately, there is some middle ground here: smart cards that require direct electrical contact to read the data. This isn't an instant panacea by any means, but it certainly eliminates a lot of the most obvious problems in a hurry. As a bonus, smart cards designed to be secure have been widely deployed for quite a while now. Admittedly, "designed to be secure" doesn't necessarily mean they are secure -- but they do have had 10+ years of design, testing, vetting, and refinement behind them.

      This is a decided contrast to the state department's situation. From the looks of things, they haven't even nailed down the details of the design yet, but the plan to have it fully deployed less than a year from now.

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    8. Re:So... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Every advantage of RFID is a liability in this application. Almost any kind of contact or optically readable format would be preferable.

      Nonsense. "Optically read" formats can be forged with a printer. Contact-based things like smart cards or mag stripes are subject to mechanical wear and operator error. The RFID option has the advantage of 1) being fairly tamper-proof and difficult to duplicate, and 2) mostly idiot proof in that the customs goon need only wave the open passport under a magic wand.

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    9. Re:So... by compro01 · · Score: 1

      well, this is just my thought, but a think the RFID would be less easy to damage. inside of a wallet, things get pretty beaten up. (in my wallet anyway) i need to get a new library card about every other year as the bar code can't be read anymore. samething applies to my bank card with its magnetic strip.

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    10. Re:So... by avdp · · Score: 1

      It is harder to duplicate/create a RFID than a 2D barcode which you can print with any laser printer. Not impossible of course. That's what I mean with cat and mouse game. Just like with paper currency - it's just one more watermark, one more embedded silver threat in the paper, one more micro-print. It will thwart the casual forger, but it's only a temporary setback for the hardcore ones. But it doesn't mean that they should just give up and not bother with any of these things.

    11. Re:So... by over_exposed · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then I'll just have to microwave my hand then! Ha! That'll teach them!!

      Oh, Wait...damn! My microwave doesn't work with the door open...

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    12. Re:So... by 87C751 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "Optically read" formats can be forged with a printer.
      The format can be, but the data contained can be encrypted/signed, making it difficult to do any more than duplicate an existing barcode. Creating "new" records would be difficult, and given biometric data, duplicating existing ones would be of limited use. Besides, the new plan includes an optical barcode, which carries the key to the encrypted data on the RFID chip.
      Contact-based things like smart cards or mag stripes are subject to mechanical wear and operator error.
      Interesting that we've not heard of wear issues or operator problems with the submerged mag-stripes in current passports. The readers are drop-dead simple. The Customs goon simply slides the cover through a slot. Sometimes. I've had mine scanned returning from Canada, and not scanned returning from Europe (though that was pre-WTC-attack).

      The problem isn't tamper-resistance. The problem is fielding an RFID tag that will uniquely identify a US passport holder, even without decrypting the additional information. The GUID on each RFID passport is unique, in the clear and vulnerable whenever the passport is opened. Like when you check into your foreign hotel or buy a train ticket. Maybe there's a 6-foot dish concealed 60 feet from the check-in desk. Or maybe the clerk's palmtop/scanner is sitting just out of sight, and he gets $1 for every GUID he collects (with timestamp).

      And it's just possible that the shielding isn't as effective as we're told (or doesn't exist at all).

      I'm waiting for the first bomb that has a proximity fuse looking for a US passport.

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    13. Re:So... by Conare · · Score: 1
      Like when you check into your foreign hotel or buy a train ticket. Maybe there's a 6-foot dish concealed 60 feet from the check-in desk. Or maybe the clerk's palmtop/scanner is sitting just out of sight, and he gets $1 for every GUID he collects (with timestamp).


      Or Maybe there's a hidden camera looking through the window reading the passport when the clerk opens it. Or maybe the hotel has a security camera that could read it. Actually that would be a definitely wouldn't it. I say we should issue all passports with invisible ink from now on!
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    14. Re:So... by willCode4Beer.com · · Score: 1

      Excellent point.
      furthermore, isn't there something wrong with this picture:
      We want to make it harder to track you with a system whose purpose is to track you. We want to make it harder to identify you while making it easier to identify you.

      A passport exists to identify and track you. The RFID system is being implemented to make this "easier". So, now we'll sheild the RFID chip and print a key, to make it harder to do the thing that is being implemented to make it easy.

      Why don't we just get rid of the passport and do biometric analysis with a sperm sample. Then getting through customs could be an enjoyable experience.

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    15. Re:So... by ralmin · · Score: 1

      Electronic Passport RFIDs will hold 64 KB. That would take a lot of barcodes.

      The ICAO specification for use of contactless chip technology requires a minimum capacity of 32 kilobytes (KB). The U.S. has decided to use a 64KB chip to permit adequate storage room in case additional data, or biometric indicators such as fingerprints or iris scans, are included in the future. Before modifying the definition of ``electronic passport'' to add a new or additional biometric identifier other than a digitized photograph, we will seek public comment through a new rule making process.

      Source

    16. Re:So... by willCode4Beer.com · · Score: 1

      Exactly, a good laser printer cost a couple hundred.
      Components to fake out an RFID reader are about $20 at radio shack.

      Of course, one laserprinter can make lots of bar codes. I wonder if passport forgery is really that big an issue.

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    17. Re:So... by avdp · · Score: 1

      Components to fake out a RFID reader are about $20 at radio shack.

      Maybe. But components to fake out a RFID reader while standing in front of the immigration officer at JFK airport might cost you a bit more. I venture to say you'll have to actually create a fake RFID chip (with valid, correctly encrypted data on it) and put it in the fake passport. The hardware to do that will be considerably more than $200, and you won't be able to find one of those at Kinko's either.

    18. Re:So... by llefler · · Score: 1

      It is harder to duplicate/create a RFID than a 2D barcode which you can print with any laser printer.

      You do realize that the data in an RFID tag is simply encoded in there. Kind of like putting data on a thumb drive. The equipment is publically available. More so than color lasers where when they started being a problem with currency. Zebra has a nice one for about $1500, which is nothing to someone willing to counterfeit a passport.

      The problem with technologies like RFIDs on passports is their adverse properties outweigh their benefits. Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Particularly when there are viable options that have those problems.

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    19. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't disable a couple of safety interlocks on a microwave then you deserve to be tracked by the government...

    20. Re:So... by willCode4Beer.com · · Score: 1

      Over complicated.
      Don't put anything in the passport, just have a small radio transmitter in your pocket. Put it in a toy cellphone if you like. You'll be pretty effective since its actively transmitting.
      OTOH, carrying a fake passport is kinda dumb. Since you will be breaking a number of laws in the process. About a million people enter the US every year with no passport. So, why bother faking it.

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    21. Re:So... by avdp · · Score: 1

      Maybe. Except you don't know what the RFID reader on the immigration officer's desk is gonna look like. It would imagine it will be shielded (he'll insert the passport into it for the reading). With a row of 50+ immigration desks at any airport, and thousands of passengers waiting on line in front of those desks, the noise ratio might be a little high otherwise. Just because RFID is capable of something, don't assume that's how they're going to use it that way. The US government is not completely dumb you know (regardless of its president).

      Entering the US without passport (through our porous borders with Mexico and Canada, presumably is what you mean) is rather risky business - many die in the process. But yes, it's another weakness they're trying to address. Nobody would ever claim that any single thing will solve the bigger problem...

    22. Re:So... by willCode4Beer.com · · Score: 1

      "The US government is not completely dumb you know (regardless of its president)."

      You've obviously never been in the military.
      I've served my time in the army and am currently developing software for the government. You give them a lot of credit.
      Granted there are some smart people in governemnt employment but, unfortunately, they are few and far between and their voices are drowned by the majority.

      In many ways, this is actually a good thing. If the government had any kind of efficiency, we, the citizens, would be screwed. The inefficiency and beuracracy actually prevent the government from causing too much damage.
      Hooraay for red tape

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    23. Re:So... by avdp · · Score: 1

      In that case, hopefully they are smart enough to contract smart people for the project. One thing is for sure, they're not shy about throwing contract money around...

  10. You're all wrong about RFID.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the commercials on television RFID is wonderful, and we all know tv doesnt lie.

  11. Don't use passports by pintpusher · · Score: 5, Funny

    I only travel by climbing fences and digging tunnels.

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    1. Re:Don't use passports by k31bang · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem with travling via tunnels is the chance that you may take a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

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    2. Re:Don't use passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with travling via tunnels is the chance that you may take a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

      Am I mistaken, or is that a reference to an old Bugs Bunny cartoon?
      Just curious..

    3. Re:Don't use passports by pintpusher · · Score: 1

      yup yup yup yup yupyupyup. Awh-haw Awh-haw Awh-haw.

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  12. Why Change? by honeypotslash · · Score: 1

    And what is wrong with current passports?
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    1. Re:Why Change? by heson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Buzzword compliance.

    2. Re:Why Change? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And what is wrong with current passports?

      the RFID chips inside require at least 100mA. Until they switch to the more reliable voltage passport, all current passport holders are encouraged to provide an additional 50mA by stimulating it with your tongue...

    3. Re:Why Change? by MCraigW · · Score: 1
      And what is wrong with current passports?

      They are too easy to counterfeit; A stolen passport can be used by someone who looks similar; positive identification of the carrying individual takes too long. Australia has ePassports which have a chip with biometric data which can be used to identify whether the passport carrier is indeed the person to which the passport was issued. http://www.dfat.gov.au/dept/passports/

    4. Re:Why Change? by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      And what is wrong with current passports?

      They are more easily forged?

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    5. Re:Why Change? by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1
      They are too easy to counterfeit; A stolen passport can be used by someone who looks similar; positive identification of the carrying individual takes too long. Australia has ePassports which have a chip with biometric data which can be used to identify whether the passport carrier is indeed the person to which the passport was issued.

      How? From the DFAT site, The chip embedded in the centre pages stores your digitised photograph, name, gender, date of birth, nationality, passport number, and the passport expiry date. This is the same information that appears on the printed information page of every passport.

      So, it contains nothing new, and all of the information except for the digitised photo is already in the machine readable section, so this adds .... facial recognition? LOL, if you don't know how unreliable that is, you havn't been around much ;)

    6. Re:Why Change? by VikingDBA · · Score: 1

      Because the old passports don't make any money for the RFID industry.

  13. WARNING: Do not destroy your passport by Work+Account · · Score: 1

    I have heard both THREATS and JOKES that privacy-conscious Slashdot crowd folks plan on destroying the RFID capabilities of their personal passports.

    Just an advanced warning: you will NOT be able to board flights using a passport that has no RFID response and thus has been tampered with.

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  14. Tracking by kevin_conaway · · Score: 2, Interesting

    RFID chips, including the ones specified for U.S. passports, can still be uniquely identified by their radio behavior. Specifically, these chips have a unique identification number used for collision avoidance. It's how the chips avoid communications problems if you put a bagful of them next to a reader. This is something buried deep within the chip, and has nothing to do with the data or application on the chip.

    Ok, so it has a unique ID on it but it doesn't appear that the ID is tied to you or the data. FUD?

    1. Re:Tracking by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 1

      The unique ID is tied to the passport. The passport is tied to you. So, it's a step harder to tie the ID to you. One, small, step harder. All it takes is access to one database.

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    2. Re:Tracking by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      The ID is tied to you in that it's your passport, and that ID number will travel anywhere you and your passport go. Any time you're asked to indentify yourself (and that includes not just border crossings, but banks and Internet cafes) and you show your passport, the ID number can be secretly taken and tied to whatever info the person seeing your ID can type in.

      Moreover, even without tying it to your name, it's still a unique number that identifies your passport as being distinct from somebody else's passport, and that's just as good as a real world cookie ever gets.

    3. Re:Tracking by Chrononium · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, because if I wanted to track people, but didn't necessarily care about their specific identities, then this flaw would still let me do it. Say that I wanted my buddy and I at the arrival airport to rob someone in first class once they departed the airport. All that I have to do is stand next to the terminal (presumably I would be boarding the plane on coach) and scan all those first class suckers going by. Get all those unique IDs and when we land, we'll just follow one (or two) of the many IDs we collected. And we'll still have a record of all those who did travel first class that day. Of course, the RF shield should prevent this particular problem from surfacing, as tracking would be next to impossible with the passport closed.

    4. Re:Tracking by avdp · · Score: 1

      Just like these tracking cookies from doubleclick.com (and other advertisers) do not contain personally identifiable data. But all it takes is for a personally indifiable transaction to occur WHILE you're holding that passport for that anonymous id to be associated with your name. Use your credit card, or give your name to someone, and now in some database someone knows at 123456789 is Kevin Conaway (if that's really your name) ans where you've been for the last 5 years.

      I am not saying I believe in the conspiracy theories, but that's how the theory goes. The RF shield that prevents the RFID from being read while the passport is closed seem good enough for me. I don't open my passport anywhere other than the immigration counter at the airport, and it's legit for them to read the data anyway.

    5. Re:Tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just conspiracy theory. It's mathematical fact. It's the concept of overlapping data sets to find the points of intersection.

      Yes, governments and companies do it every day on a scale you wouldn't even believe. There's a good reason why web browsers allow you to only accept cookies which don't collect personally identifiable information: false sense of security. Given access to the databases of 100 supposedly anonymous cookies you can probably profile down to a particular zip code if not a particular city block.

  15. Who cares? by RandoX · · Score: 1, Funny

    Why would I want to leave the US anyway? (Funny or Troll, your call...)

    1. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you can partake in the Paris riots?

    2. Re:Who cares? by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      I'd say troll.

      I mean why would you say that? If it's a joke then it's not funny.

      If you're not joking then what is your hold up? Visiting another country doesn't mean they're superior it means you want to experience culture and see things. Of course if you're the typical xenophobic "let's blow up them arabs" yankee-doodle american then I guess what you said makes sense :-)

      Tom -- From a dude who likes visiting pretty much anywhere including the USA

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    3. Re:Who cares? by atari2600 · · Score: 1

      Neither funny nor troll. More like -5:Ignorant and if you keep persisting -5:Stupid. There is so much outside this country to go and absorb and experience. Remember, the rest of the world has had far advanced civilizations before white man had touched this land. Also, how old is American history? *cough* 300 years? *cough* 400 years? I am not trolling here - you have much to learn once you get outta your home, hometown, state, country, planet....blah.

    4. Re:Who cares? by RandoX · · Score: 1

      Interesting assumption, that I've never left the US. I lived in Germany for almost 2 1/2 years and travelled to Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg, France, and Switzerland during that time. Loved Amsterdam and Luzern may be the most beautiful place on Earth. The original post was actually intended as a joke, but I knew it would probably be interpreted otherwise from the start.

    5. Re:Who cares? by jdgeorge · · Score: 1

      Why would I want to leave the US anyway?

      Despite all the detractors, this is actually a very interesting question.

      Why would you want to leave the US? It is certainly fashionable (in part because it truly can be informative) among the wealthier folks to travel the world in order to learn about different cultures and people. Also, there are many international business issues that require international travel.

      However, there are also reasons not to leave the US, and why it may not be necessary to leave. One of the effects of international travel is international health risks (e.g. SARS). Also, for the purpose of cultural education, the US has very diverse culture and cultural education resources due to immigrant populations that settled in various parts of the country (e.g. New York, San Fancisco, Houston, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc.)

      There are many more arguments for and against international travel, but this at least scratches the surface of the issue.

      I would vote "insightful" or "interesting" for the parent post.

  16. RFID bandwagon? by phorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The passports will also include a 'Tin Hat' that limits the RFID signal to only a few inches

    I've got to wonder why, in this case, they don't use Magcards instead of RFID. Older technology, yes, but not any more limited for the use given, and a bit more secure as they require contact with the card to read. If they're supposedly going to limit the RFID to magcard limits, why not just use a magcard?

    1. Re:RFID bandwagon? by tuxette · · Score: 1

      Probably because it's not new and cool and hip? Most of us have been conditioned to believe that old technology = bad, new technology = good. RFID = good...

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    2. Re:RFID bandwagon? by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      Or a smart card, you know, built-in encryption and all...

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    3. Re:RFID bandwagon? by totoanihilation · · Score: 1

      Or how about microchip smart cards? You know, exactly like RFID, but you need to physically connect the contacts to read it? They've existed for over 20 years now, and are pretty darn reliable. They also aren't prone to demagnetizing.

      Why be tagged like a pack of twizzlers at WalMart?

    4. Re:RFID bandwagon? by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Mag stripes are very easy to copy. Some number of years ago, a contest was held (at MIT IIRC) to see how quickly a mag stripe on a credit card could be duplicated without the use of a card reader. The winners were able copy a mag stripe in something like 4-seconds. The applied heat with a new mag stripe touching the original. The electrons were excited and jumped to the new stripe. A copy was made.

      Anyone that believes mag stripes provide viable security are simply living in the past. Besides, mag stripes are read/write media. RFID tags are not!

    5. Re:RFID bandwagon? by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1
      As several previous posters pointed out, it's all about buzzwords and appearing to be 'up-to-date' on technology.

      When I worked for the Navy as a Civilian several years ago, I was issued a smartcard ID that was used across the military. The idea was to hold all your personal information on the card including a fingerprint, as well as to be used for logging into their computing systems. In the year that I worked there and as far as I know today the smartcard funtionality isn't used at all. Regular ID cards would function just fine, but I guess they don't look as cool as the cards with the exposed contacts. It was an expensive deployment with a bunch of hype that never materialized into anything useful.

    6. Re:RFID bandwagon? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Or how about microchip smart cards? You know, exactly like RFID, but you need to physically connect the contacts to read it?

      Smart card contacts need to be aligned with the reader contacts somehow. This is easy with a stiff, thin card, but it's a lot to ask of what amounts to a cardstock booklet. RFID has the advantage of being idiot proof in that the customs goon need only wave the book near a reader. No destined to be ignored warnings of "Do not crease or rumple passport", "insert this way only, this side up", or "CAUTION: do not fold, stamp, or lick smartcard contacts". Just a hard epoxied glob in one corner.

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    7. Re:RFID bandwagon? by RoboRay · · Score: 1

      Actually, the US military and government makes extensive use of the smartcard functionallity, for the purposes you mentioned and more. We have for many years.

    8. Re:RFID bandwagon? by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Especially as there are other induction tags that work like RFID - but with a maximum range of a few centimeters, making it extremely hard to have J. Random Blackat read them out without sticking a scanner into your pocket. I have an induction dongle on my keychain that allows me access to my university's computer pool and a card with which I pay for food. Both have a range of about 2 cm max.

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    9. Re:RFID bandwagon? by Empty+Threats · · Score: 1

      Because the RFID chips hold about 500,000 times as much data as a mag card at a comparable cost and convenience level. 64,000 bytes versus ~100 bits.

    10. Re:RFID bandwagon? by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1

      My mistake. My former co-workers (who are still working there) say they're still not using the smartcard functionality. I also have friends in the Army who say they haven't used the smartcard functionality either, so I (incorrectly) assumed that they weren't really used for anything.

    11. Re:RFID bandwagon? by RoboRay · · Score: 1

      Well, pretty much all US military and government websites that need a username/password for access now also require you to insert the smartcard to access your PKI certificate. Even some sites that DON'T require user accounts demand for the card to be inserted.

      Some uses of the card are generally ignored, however. For example, you can log into a computer by inserting the card OR by keying in your username and password. Nobody does that, because it's inevitable that you'll go off and leave your card in the machine, then be unable to get back into the building or even onto the base because the same card is also what you have to show for ID.

  17. Specialized Hardware... by NelsonM · · Score: 3, Informative

    "A demonstration has been made that using specialized hardware, the signal can be intercepted from up to 69 feet."

    Is this anything like the BlueSniper?

  18. Open the passport, the whole thing falls apart by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "To its credit, the State Department listened to the criticism. As a result, RFID passports will now include a thin radio shield in their covers, protecting the chips when the passports are closed. Although some have derided this as a tinfoil hat for passports, the fact is the measure will prevent the documents from being snooped when closed."

    Well there has to be better protection for identity theft than having the passport closed all the time. You may not know whether it is open or closed, but it should have some way of notifying you if it is unsecured. How about having the passport just become a single card with some kind of flash memory built in?

    There are many other scenarios where the RFID tags could be exploited, but you will first have to put on your tinfoil hat in order to even conceive of any of these conspiracies.

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  19. Re:WARNING: Do not destroy your passport by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The interesting question is : Will my passport still work if I put it on top of my microwave oven and under my cell phone ? Are these residual radiations enough to get it fried ? I hope this has been carefully studied, but from what I have read/heard in the past, RFID main target was the low-cost and short lifespan labelling market. Can it last the ten years of validity of my passport ?

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  20. Add another layer... by asphinx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why not just make a container for the passport - like a cigarette holder - but lighter, which does not allow reading the RFID chip at all from any distance?

  21. Beat the RFID - renew now by davidwr · · Score: 3, Informative

    Get or renew your passport now and it should be RFID-free for the next 10 years.

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    1. Re:Beat the RFID - renew now by Thagg · · Score: 1

      davidwr recommends: Get or renew your passport now and it should be RFID-free for the next 10 years.

      That's what I did. But you really can't expect your average slashdotter to get out of their chairs and actually go down to the passport office to do this? They'd much rather sit on their butts and whine.

      Thad

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    2. Re:Beat the RFID - renew now by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      But you really can't expect your average slashdotter to get out of their chairs and actually go down to the passport office to do this? They'd much rather sit on their butts and whine.

      You're right, it is much easier to sit and whine than do something about it (I personally have a very nice ass-groove in my favorite sitting chair). In this case, however, I think postponing the problem for a decade is less desirable than fixing the problem now. And don't even try to tell me that posting a comment on Slashdot isn't the first step in fixing the problem. ANY PROBLEM!

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    3. Re:Beat the RFID - renew now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really think that this will not be made mandatory in 2 or 3 years. We will probably hear about some kind of "thwarted" terrorist attack in which the criminals had old passports and therefore we are all required to update to the new super security version passport. ... all this from just looking at past events and extrapolating.

  22. Actually, your comment is INSIGHTFUL by Work+Account · · Score: 1

    Increasingly I find less and less reasons to travel abroad.

    From increasing plane fares to the "same-ization" of human culture, there is little reason for me to leave my own town.

    To top it off, Europe is increasingly violent.

    Witness the nonsense going on in France right now for the past few days, coupled with the fact that London is now SCARY to walk around many times during the day.

    So many countries now speak ENGLISH that I fear we are losing cultures every day.

    The US has every weather climate and all the swimming and skiing and climbing and flying and rafting etc etc that you could ever want. The only thing making us vacation abroad previously was to experience different CULTURES but now that McDonald's and English and RAP music are everywhere, we're all the same anymore.

    It's sad really :(

    Just some thoughts... REPLY, DON'T MODERATE

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    1. Re:Actually, your comment is INSIGHTFUL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The word you are looking for is homogenization.

    2. Re:Actually, your comment is INSIGHTFUL by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      I don't think you've actually been to Europe recently, have you? Don't believe everything you see on the news, or at least take it with a grain of salt.

      Europe may be increasingly violent, yes, but it's still a far cry from the USA, so that's not exactly something you'd have to worry about. The riots in Paris are a bad thing, of course, but they're a pretty unique phenomenon - if I said I couldn't visit the USA because you had riots in L.A. after Rodney King was beaten up (by the police, no less!) a couple of years ago, wouldn't you say that, well, it doesn't really matter (as far as my safety is concerned)? As for London, it's not scarier than it's always been, unless you happen to be an Arab-looking guy running to catch a train. In that case, you just might get shot, but let's face it: the chances of it actually happening are pretty slim. It's much more likely that you'll die in a car accident on the highway tomorrow.

      As for English being spoken... the only country that really does in Europe is the UK. Oh, you'll probably get along with English in many other countries as well, but it's not what people will ordinarily use - it's not even a language spoken by a minority anywhere that I know of.

      And as for cultural differences... well, yes, there does seem to be a trend towards less differences, but it's mostly tied to a few specific things, like music (or what passes for music these days) and so on. If you turn off the TV and don't go to watch the dubbed version of latest Hollywood shit in a cinema anymore, you will find that there's lots of culture, and although the differences are subtle, they're there, and they're noticeable. :)

      Really, the only person who could conclude that there are no differences anymore between Europe and the USA (or between any two parts of the world, for that matter, unless they're very close to each other both geographically *and* culturally) is one who hasn't explored the world yet.

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    3. Re:Actually, your comment is INSIGHTFUL by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Bah, big capitals are always fscked up, no surprises there.

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  23. TFA is consistent and TFS is wrong by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    TFA is by Mr Cryptology and he doesn't make that kind of stupid mistakes. He quite clearly says they FIXED that and one other problem, but left in a third problem because the people in charge are technically ignorant.

  24. The BEER..... by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 1

    When over there, the regional beers are AWESOME!!! The best beer I've ever had was this local brew I drank in Interlaken. It did help that it was being served by this really pretty blond in very tight jeans.

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    Evil people don't think they're evil. - George Lucas, Making of Ep III
  25. something like this eh... by atari2600 · · Score: 1

    *engage dr.cool subtle mode*

    *whip out elite passport RFID reader*

    Elite hax0r formerly known as script kiddie: Hey that's a neat passport! Can i see it?

    Dumb user sans tin-foil armor: Wait don't you have one?

    Elite hax0r: Yeah but mine's from Greenland - look it's all purple and stuff

    Dumb user soon to be victim of a passport RFID theft: Oh ok here you go

    *scan scan scan*

    Seriously, how does this protect the passport when it's open or it gets opened while in a bag or someone opens it to check something or .... you get the idea?!

    1. Re:something like this eh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, how does this protect the passport when it's open or it gets opened while in a bag or someone opens it to check something or .... you get the idea?!

      * engage cool thief mode *
      * whip out elite 100lb key cutter *

      Theif: Hey, that's a neat keychain! Can I see it?
      Dumb security guard: Wait, you don't have one?
      Theif: Yeah, but mine's from Canada; look, it has a beaver tail on it.
      Dumb security guard: Oh, ok. Here you go.

      * cut key cut key cut key *

      Seriously, how does keeping your keys in your pocket protect them when you're stupid enough to give them to anyone who walks by you?

  26. Re:WARNING: Do not destroy your passport by TheOrangeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    A days parking at the airport : 12$
    Homemade Magnetron gun concealed in suitcase : 250$
    Watching everyone you point your suitcase at miss their flight and get arrested (before you get arrested yourself) : Priceless!

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  27. article summary is misleading by jrtom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the summary:

    The passports will also include a 'Tin Hat' that limits the RFID signal to only a few inches, but a demonstration has been made that using specialized hardware, the signal can be intercepted from up to 69 feet.

    The poster apparently did not carefully RTFA (skipped page 2, is my guess). The 69-foot detection range does not apply to the RFID chips in this case, because of that 'Tin Hat' (the passport is radio-shielded when closed); Schneier was referring to RFID chips in general when he brought that statistic up, not this particular instance. Arguably (if you're going to put RFID chips in passports) this is one of the few things that they've actually fixed.

    (I personally think that the whole thing is a bad idea...but let's attack the system on its demerits, not on no-longer-relevant bugs.)

  28. Re:WARNING: Do not destroy your passport by Chyeld · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am VERY interested in YOUR comments. PLEASE specify more where YOU heard this INFORMATION. Was it PERCHANCE at a heavy METAL rock concert?

  29. Benenfits by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 1
    This is a benefit how?

    It increases the revenues of the companies that make those things, increases the revenues of the lobbyists, and get the politicians more campaign contributions. Geeze!

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  30. Wait just a minute... by Procrastin8er · · Score: 0, Funny

    some have derided this as a tinfoil hat for passports

    What is wrong with the trusty tin foil hat? I never leave the mothership without mine.

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  31. Please Explain The Fear and Uncertainty by mpapet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Benefits:
    For the average bad guy, a contactless module will make much harder to fabricate an identity.

    Ideally, gov'ts have a better idea who is coming and going from a country and in a much more efficient manner.

    For the average person, this doesn't affect them at all.

    For the average dissident, the gov't still going to give them a hard time, so this might be one more way to make life difficult.

    The Bad:
    Bad guys can "collect" information. It's unclear to me what they would do with a unique identifier. They need much more than just the unique identifier. They would need to associate the identifier with (one assumes) the right identity. You don't need to be a bad guy to do that. You can buy most of it from totally legal companies right now. Please explain if I'm missing something here.

    Epensive! Understand that it's not just about a passport that will be at least 10x more expensive to make, but the infrastructure to make it work at least half-way decent is a huge project. I submitted my passport information at my local post office. Now, every agency that can accept passport applications has to be somehow connected to the place where the passport is made. Then how do the airports "know" the passport is authentic? More new infrastructure.

    The gov't collects information.
    Well, they do that already except they buy it from private enterprises. They watch the bad guys. They watch people that they view as threatening. I don't see what changes here. Furthermore, anyone that's been on /. for a little knows how easy collecting personal data can be.

    Am I missing something?

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    1. Re:Please Explain The Fear and Uncertainty by iainl · · Score: 1

      I'm not the most tinfoil-hat person in the world myself, so I'll spare you the security concerns. Some of them _are_ real, however.

      What really concerns me is the following:

      1) The cost. Yes, you covered it, but we're talking a HUGE, GIGANTIC cost. As in Big numbers of billions. All for rather nebulous gains, most of which could be achieved much more cheaply if they weren't addicted to the idea of shiny tech.

      2) The cost, I'm really not joking about it being billions and billions.

      3) It mostly doesn't seem to work very well so far. This exacerbates...

      4) The added time this requires. These big new Airbus things are talking 500 or more people getting off a plane at once. If it takes 2-3 times as long to clear customs per person, you're in for a big wait. Add to that the failure rate on the associated biometric crap they would rather like to add to it, and you're talking a very long wait indeed.

      Here in the UK, the amount of biometric crap they're adding works out to there being an average of a misidentified "terrorist" PER FLIGHT.

      Now how long to do think it's going to take?

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  32. Redundant by belg4mit · · Score: 0, Troll

    *Fatal* flaw *weakens* RFID passports.

    *Fatal* *weakens*

    Um yeah.

    Not to mention the fact that it's only fatal if they decide not to proceed.

    dumbass.

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  33. Passports by Mr.Fork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a Canadian fed agent, I emphasise with our US neighbours in their attempts to improve the security on the passports. It's a challenge to make passports secure, even with the best of technology. Canadian passports are one of the most forged in the world, and the safest to use from a suspicion point of view. With over 10% of our population landed immigrants, and a huge multicultural population, we represent one of the most diverse cultures in the world.

    I'm sure they could devise an XYZ technology for their password and someone would either crack, track, or spoof it.

    Something is better than nothing.

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    1. Re:Passports by llefler · · Score: 1

      Something is better than nothing.

      Not necessarily. You wouldn't tatoo your ATM PIN on your forehead if you kept forgetting it, would you?

      This is a case of someone coming up with an idea that sounded cool. Silver bullet for citizen identification problems. But when people started pointing out the flaws, rather than looking for a better solution they dug in their heals. Bad guys can read it? oh, we'll make a special cover to block the signal. What about when it's open? oh, we'll encrypt the data. How will various Customs entities get the key? oh, we'll put an optical barcode on it with the key. Right here is where the clue should have beat them to death. If you're going to scan an optical barcode anyway, put all the data in an optical barcode. Instead we still have problems with unique numbers that can be used to track people and a RF target placed on US citizens.

      Even better solution, smart card chip embedded in the cover of the passport. I'm assuming you Customs guys are still going to want me to place my passport into your hands. Its not like it's ever going to be a contactless exchange.

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    2. Re:Passports by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      passport security is only a problem because government is stupid, every passport should include a crypto smart card, that way the data loaded has to be digitally signed by the gov't in order to be considered valid including the photo which will show up on screen when swiped. also data exchange and identificaiton would be done with assymetric crypto so you can prove your validity to an untrustworthy entity without compromising yourself.

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    3. Re:Passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...I emphasise...

      As a Canadian fed agent (which I'm seriously starting to doubt), I'd hope you knew the difference between empathize and emphasise. Otherwise, I'd be worried that the rest of your comment lacked credibility.

    4. Re:Passports by whitehatlurker · · Score: 1
      You wouldn't tatoo your ATM PIN on your forehead if you kept forgetting it, would you?

      Of course not, you moron, how TF would I see it if it's on my forehead?

      It's tatooed on my forearm. Sheeze.

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    5. Re:Passports by MCraigW · · Score: 1
      It's a challenge to make passports secure, even with the best of technology.

      My understanding of the Australian ePassport http://www.dfat.gov.au/dept/passports/ is that the "RFID" chip won't respond until you hit it with the public key which is printed on the passport and has to be scanned in, each ePassport having it's own public key, and a private key known only to the issuing government agency. This prevents tracking people by their passport "RFID" by unknown people. Then the "RFID" chip responds with things like a digital photo of the individual as well as other biometric data which can be verified electronically, so you can't use your cousin's passport. I would assume that the U.S. version would be something similar, since the technology for the Australian version is from a U.S. company.

    6. Re:Passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to know that canadian feds cant spell either. I believe the word you were looking for is. Empathize.

  34. Edited for accuracy. by flutkatastrophe · · Score: 3, Funny

    Edited for accuracy.

    Don't lie to us like that.....not all of us are N00bs

    1. Re:Edited for accuracy. by evillorddan · · Score: 1

      No, that means they found some accuracy and removed it.

  35. Time for see-through faraday cage by davidwr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As someone else pointed out, many countries make you show your passport as identification.

    It's time someone make a passport "book cover" that covered the inside-covers with a transparent faraday cage. Think clear plastic with thin closely-spaced wires.

    Or, if that doesn't work, a "book cover" that includes a probably-battery-powered jammer that jams any attempt to read it.

    Of course you'd remove your passport from this at points of entry and for other official purposes, but when a private merchant asks to see your passport as ID, he won't be able to scan it, leaving him with a business decision: rely on the visible passport, or ask you to shop elsewhere. More importantly, the hopefully-rare-but-I-don't-want-to-meet-him id-theiving-store-clerk won't be able to scan it.

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    1. Re:Time for see-through faraday cage by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When merchants start asking me to see my passport before they'll sell me anything, I'm moving to a unabomber-style shack in the woods and never talking to another human being again.

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    2. Re:Time for see-through faraday cage by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      It's time someone make a passport "book cover" that covered the inside-covers with a transparent faraday cage. Think clear plastic with thin closely-spaced wires.

      How about those anti-static bags that microchips, ram chips and motherboards usually come in?

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  36. Why contactless? by trigeek · · Score: 1, Redundant
    If the new passports are designed to be read by an optical scanner (to get the decryption key) before the RFID is read, why do they need to be contactless?

    Seems to me, a contact-based smart card would be a safer, cheaper option. It would also avoid the need for the tinfoil hat.

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    1. Re:Why contactless? by Conare · · Score: 5, Informative

      Excellent Question!

      US Passports have a validity of 10 years. Modern contact chips in smart cards have an estimated life of 4-5 years. So you would theoretically have to get at least twice as many passports. Also, you can't really just replace passports with smart cards because not every country in the world will be able to read those smartcards at the get go. (Think Chad or other 3rd world countries) so you have to continue to use a typical human readable passport. This program is designed for the 27 or so VISA-waiver countries. There was no way that anyone was going to successfully mandate a single physical form factor for the passports of 28 different sovereign nations, but they were able to (finally) reach an agreement on an embedded chip, interface and some minimal and optional contents. These were the driving reason for contactless, and it is unfortunate that the US State Dept. did not consider privacy from the get go. But thanks to a public outcry, now they have.

      Someone else asked what was wrong with the current passports. In a word, the answer is forgery. The new passports include a digital signature across the entire contents of the passport including the photo. So if I as a bad guy, take your passport and try to replace your photo with mine, either the photo on the chip won't match, or if you somehow figure out how to replace the photo on a chip that has had its write mode disabled permanantly, the digital signature will not verify. So with the new passports, the only way to get an undetectable forgery is to get the real thing through the passport office, probably not impossible (think bribes and extortion of issuance officers), but now we have an honest shot at detecting it, and if one does turn up, you might be able to go back and figure out who issued it. This has an additional side benefit in that it makes stealing chip equipped passports worthless. This should help increase the security of travellers who are sometimes attacked or robbed solely for their passport.

      Im my opinion, now that steps have been taken to reduce the possibilities of skimming, the benefits of the new passports outweigh the negatives. Schnier's alarmism about the serial numbers is just that. If someone really wants to track people so badly that they will start building databases of those serial numbers and correlating them with information that they have obtained through some justified mechanism, just so that they can track you when you happen to have your passport open anyway, then they are going to track you, and there is not much you can do about it anywyay. This is roughly the same risk as having a hidden camera near a point where you open your passport (or someone opens it for you). It's just to far to go for the limited benefit. The new protections have tipped the balance in favor of the new ePassport, and while Schnier does point out a flaw that is unfortunate, it is certainly repairable in the future, and not "fatal". If the US starts issuing passports without the flaw in the next few years (before all the passports with no chip at all expire) no one will bother trying to attack passport security in this fashion. It just isn't worth it.

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    2. Re:Why contactless? by geoff+lane · · Score: 1
      Why not just get rid of passports?

      They are impossible to secure to any reasonable standard.

      They don't prove identity (just that the passport data matches the carrier.)

      Getting rid of them would save money and put an end to forgeries.

    3. Re:Why contactless? by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

      Why not just get rid of passports?

      Too much a part of our identification paradigm--what we perceive as being important and not important and how to asess it.

      But I think you could make an amazing justification that passportless travel would be more secure than with passports. I wish someone worked harder on that...as I've understood it, the reason modern passports were invented was to prevent the travel of spies across European borders during World War I. Clearly the acceptance of passports during that time is indication that people were just as dumb then as they are now.

  37. German passport by Crouty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Under US pressure and the general terrorism FUD the German government decided to introduce new passport documents with RFID starting from Nov 1st 2005. I got me an old one without RFID that will be valid until 2015 and every day I am more sure I did the right thing.

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    1. Re:German passport by slavemowgli · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you want to visit the USA, you just may have to get a new one soon, anyway (considering that they implemented this in order to still be eligible for the visa waiver program) - either that, or apply for a visa, which isn't exactly a wark in the park, either.

      Case in point: I have a friend who lives in Sweden who once needed a visa. Outside of having her photo taken by a photographer certified by the US embassy (a regular photo used for passports etc. wouldn't work), she also had to come to the embassy in Stockholm in person to be interviewed - a six-hour train drive, FWIW, and the fact that they gave her an appointment at 8:30 Monday morning meant that she had to arrive on Sunday already, too (so in addition to the train ride, she also had to pay for a hotel room for one night). The interview itself was pretty much straightforward, from what she told me, but relatively long - more than half an hour. And the security measures were rather tight, too; for example, she had brought a bottle of water, and she actually had to drink that before being allowed to enter. And not just some of it, in order to prove it wasn't poison or whatever they suspected it might be - all of it.

      The whole thing, IMO, was/is extremely idiotic, but considering that she needed the visa, she had to put up with it.

      I'm not sure, but if that's the price you have to pay in order to get a visa, even in a highly developed country like Sweden (or Germany, for that matter), then having an RFID passport almost sounds like the lesser evil - at least you can put that into a leaded box and leave it at home whenever you're not travelling. (When you are, to the USA at least, all bets are off, anyway; you'll be fingerprinted and photographed upon trying to enter, and I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years, they'd conduct random body cavity searches as well. The problem is that pretty much noone here actually cares - after all, it all just happens to foreigners, anyway.)

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    2. Re:German passport by Crouty · · Score: 1

      I don't like to visit countries that make me jump through hoops to enter. Of course this is quite an ideologic way to see it but it pretty much sums up what I'm feeling.

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    3. Re:German passport by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      Probably a good idea. :P Just don't ever accept a job that might require you to travel to a conference or so...

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    4. Re:German passport by EnglishDude · · Score: 1

      Certainly - I found it was far easier to visit Russia (went there a few weeks ago) than the States pre 9/11 (went there 6 years ago). Oh well.

    5. Re:German passport by gpoul · · Score: 1

      I guess grand-parent actually knew what he was doing.

      Under the US VWP old passports issued before the cut-off date on 10/26/05 just need to be machine-readable and have no further requirements.

      So if you got your passport before that date you can still enter the US as long as your passport is valid.

    6. Re:German passport by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      Ah, OK - thanks for the info. :)

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    7. Re:German passport by Crouty · · Score: 1

      I would and I would get the RFID implant or whatever it takes. I just said I don't like to.

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    8. Re:German passport by swillden · · Score: 1

      Under US pressure and the general terrorism FUD the German government decided to introduce new passport

      Though the US is certainly playing a role in pushing this effort forward, it's actually not a US initiative, and Germany is a full participant in the standardization effort. The countries which are members of the ICAO Machine-Readable Travel Document Technical Advisory Group (TAG/MRTD) are:

      1. Australia
      2. Canada
      3. Czech Republic
      4. France
      5. Germany
      6. India
      7. Japan
      8. New Zealand
      9. Netherlands
      10. Russian Federation
      11. Sweden
      12. United Kingdom
      13. United States

      If it weren't for the US push, this process would probably be moving more slowly, but it would still happen.

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  38. All these systems are failures. Solution here: by master_p · · Score: 1

    just put a little device under our skin, when we are born, with our all identity details. That would solve all problems!

    1. Re:All these systems are failures. Solution here: by Maljin+Jolt · · Score: 1

      just put a little device under our skin, when we are born, with our all identity details. That would solve all problems!

      It is quite easy to solve that setup condition with a sharp knife.

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    2. Re:All these systems are failures. Solution here: by msbsod · · Score: 0, Troll

      I guess a bit of cynicism is perfectly appropriate in this matter.
      Some people already have such a device implemented, for example to get access to a bar. Maybe they think it is cool. But there was a time, about half a century ago, when tattoos were used to assign numbers to people. We shall not forgot those crimes. Nowaday we get a number assigned on a document with an RFID chip and various biometric information. Of course the numbers have a purpose. They are being used to access large databases. I doubt we have seen the end of the story yet. DNA sampling will be next. It is already being done systematically not only with convicted criminals, but also innocent suspects. The same happened to fingerprinting. We also see GPS-equipped tags. I read that Marta Stuart got one of those bracelets. Originally a passport was just a document which allowed the holder to pass. The seal from an authority was proof of authenticity. Since then things have changed a bit. It would be naive to use the same technology. But there is no reason to attach numbers and RFID tags to passports. The information on a passport could be simply signed by an authority, electronically, of course, and printed onto the document as a simple 2d-barcode. Well, I guess the days when free citizens were free are over.

  39. DMCA Breaking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the foil shields the passport when it's closed, would opening your passport be a breach of the DMCA? :-p

  40. Parts of the world will never have card readers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suspect many parts of the world will never waste money on having card readers at every possible port of entry. I bet ink stamps on paper and manual logs will probably never go away, despite the U.S. best efforts to waste money to create the illusion that politicians are doing something.

  41. Passport still needs to be scanned??? by xlv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Encryption will be implemented via a key printed on the passport, which will be read by an optical scanner.

    If an optical scanner needs to be used to read the encryption key, doesn't that defeat the no-contact advantage of RFID as the passport then needs to be close to the scanner. Why not just use some smart card technology and avoid the radio part altogether?

    1. Re:Passport still needs to be scanned??? by iainl · · Score: 1

      Shush. The RFID company spent good money lobbying that politician. The last thing they want is people like you ruining it for them.

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    2. Re:Passport still needs to be scanned??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Put on your tinfoil hat.

      2. Think.

      3. Behold the obvious.

      4. ???

      5. Profit!

      6. You have been convicted of planning a terroristic act and will be put to prison to ensure the security of our patriotic, free people. No, we didn't use your passport to track you. How COULD we? It's encrypted! How could we possibly know the key? HOW?

    3. Re:Passport still needs to be scanned??? by dcacn · · Score: 1

      They chose a contactless option because typical smart chips that rely upon contact for data transfer do not stand up to the 10 year life of modern passports. Also, it's very difficult to place a smart chip on the non-rigid surface of a passport that is made of paper; it's one thing to stick it onto your MasterCard, but even the cardboard of the passport cover isn't that sturdy.

    4. Re:Passport still needs to be scanned??? by Cili · · Score: 1

      Actually it is a smart chip. The ISO 14443 (mentioned in the article) deals with contactless smartcards, not dumb RFID memory chips.

      Similar technology will be implemented in European Passports, too.

  42. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why not just use a magcard?

    Apparently, lobby behind RFID is a lot more powerful,
    and as far as they concerned, if their clients will
    get government contract, they might as well microwave
    those chips themselves, they don't care !

  43. Re:Most interesting... by timster · · Score: 1

    How many editors do you think Slashdot has? Don't be a jerk.

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  44. Re:Most interesting... by Ando[evilmedic] · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    WHY DO YOU CARE?

  45. Smartcard? by frantzdb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is there ever a reason the wireless feature of RFID would be needed for passports? Wouldn't smartcards provide all the necessary forgery prevention and data storage without any need for tinfoil hats?

    1. Re:Smartcard? by Cili · · Score: 1

      These are contactless smartcards, so the data is secure.

  46. RFID by akmarksman · · Score: 1

    Why don't we use retinal and fingerprint scanners instead?

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    1. Re:RFID by msbsod · · Score: 1

      Aliens are already welcomed with fingerprinting in the US. And so are US citizens in Brazil and a few other countries.

  47. Actual password vs new passport by Ummite · · Score: 0

    Hi everyone

    Just a little question : the actual terrorists of 9/11 actually get valid passport and flew legally in the USA and from the USA. Did a new passport with all kind of information and data will prevent this to happen again?

  48. AJAX on passorts = great idea by bigtrike · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you don't keep quiet, we're going to end up with lots of other buzzword techs in our passports.

  49. Oh, but I *do* support Terror. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Yes, I very much want our government officials to be terrified of the response of the electorate to their unethical, illegal, and otherwise-just-plain-bad behavior. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be working very well, and I seem to have mislaid the thumbscrews, stocks, and pillories. The press seem to be doing a poor job of it as well, alas.

    Oh, wait, you meant "Terror" as in blowing things up. Sorry, I only do that in Counter-Strike, where nobody gets hurt.

  50. Re:Most interesting... by KC7GR · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Let me put it this way. Think of the saying "Too many cooks spoil the broth."

    I've already entered a gripe about this in my journal. Yes, it's a minor quibble, but is a little consistency too much to ask?

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    Blue Feather Technologies

  51. Re:Mag-stripe Limitations by mpapet · · Score: 1

    It sounds like they want to store a picture and probably a fingerprint template.

    A mag-stripe doesn't have enough storage to do this.

    IMHO a contact smart card is a much better idea, but it seems they want to keep the same passport format. Mifare is already deployed embedded in paper tickets so that's a big bonus to them.

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  52. my understanding... by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I expressed similar questions when reading the previous articles. Why not a barcode? An RFID system only has an identifier, a key ot a database. A barcode could have actual data on it.

    From one of the responses to the previous articles of this sort, I understand that the system here is a bit different than regular RFID. One is that this system actually does have information in it, not just an ID. That doesn't relate to your question, but I found it very enlightening.

    Another thing this system does is it is a challenge-response system. That is, it has information in it that is not emitted until you give the right information to it. Perhaps this is the information in that barcode on the password, I dunno. Anyway, a barcode is there for everyone to read, it cannot hide itself until the right key is given to it. The content could be encrypted, but once you take a picture of the barcode, you have its data, you could work on cracking it later, and the "owner" of the barcode wouldn't even know you were doing it. With this system, you can only work on extracting its secrets when you are in proximity to the chip. In addition, it is possible for the chip to monitor and know that you successfully passed its test and got its info. So you will at least know if you've been had when the "successful reads" counter (if it has one) is higher than you expected.

    All in all, it seemed like a reasonable system to me. The actual presence of data (as opposed to just a key), the tinfoil cover and the requirement to read the barcode optically before you can get the data (other than ID) out all just adds up to a pretty good system to me. Definitely far better than the representations of it I had seen earlier.

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    1. Re:my understanding... by MCraigW · · Score: 1
      I understand that the system here is a bit different than regular RFID.

      Australia has an ePassport with a chip that contains biometric data, but it can only be read after optically scanning the public key printed on the passport. http://www.dfat.gov.au/dept/passports/

    2. Re:my understanding... by swillden · · Score: 1

      I understand that the system here is a bit different than regular RFID. One is that this system actually does have information in it, not just an ID.

      Exactly, except that rather than saying "this is different from a regular RFID", the correct thing to say is "this is a contactless smart card, not an RFID".

      And they do carry data, quite a bit of it. The ICAO standard body which defined the passport standard being implemented created a test data set which is used for evaluating the correctness of card and reader implementations. The "silver" set, which I've used in evaluating passport implementations, contains over 20KB of data, and it's likely that future real-world implementations may hold even more information.

      Barcodes, even 2D barcodes, can't hold anywhere near that much data without being impractically large or so dense that they're very vulnerable to damage. Barcodes are also write-once, whereas these chips (can be) read/write.

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    3. Re:my understanding... by anime_layer · · Score: 1

      Yes but why make it wireless? It really doesnt seem to make much sense to me except to raise various security concerns. Why not embed a chip that as to be read by a card reader by making contact to the passport? If you have to take the passport out of your poket and scan the barcode on it, this wouldn't make much difference. Though it's not so hip as RFID...

  53. Slashdot ? Editted ? Accuracy ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't tell me that correct spelling and grammar is to follow ?!

  54. Re:WARNING: Do not destroy your passport by peragrin · · Score: 1

    Hence why I just got my passport and have ten years before I have to worry about getting a new one.

    Yea me.

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  55. Usama (let's put the USA back in Osama) by johnny+cashed · · Score: 1

    Nah, Usama can just sneak across the US border from Mexico with a forged South American passport, get arrested by the US border patrol, get processed, and then released in the US because he is "persons other than Mexican" and then he can drive to Disney World. Then, while at Disney World, the Border patrol finally figures out that the fingerprints they obtained from the processing are Usama's. You see, persons other than Mexican are not deported immediatly due to costs. Mexicans are bussed back to Mexico, but Latin Americans are currently being released in the US with a future court date, at which time they will start the deportation process. I still don't understand how RFID in passports can make the US safer. It just seems to make US passports more difficult to forge. What happens when your RFID chip gets zapped or fails to work (passports are good for 10 years). Do they then detain you until they can confirm that you are who you say you are?

    1. Re:Usama (let's put the USA back in Osama) by avdp · · Score: 1

      I would imagine that if the RFID in the passport fails to work, you may be subjected to more scrutiny than you would have otherwise.

  56. Good...passports with protection by bayankaran · · Score: 0, Redundant

    As a result, RFID passports will now include a thin radio shield in their covers...

    OIOW (or in other words) passports with built in tinfoil hats.

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    1. Re:Good...passports with protection by Kredal · · Score: 1

      I guess that makes you the some in "Although some have derided this as a tinfoil hat for passports,"...

      (:

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  57. but does it shorten the queues? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems to me that this new tech makes passport forgery no more difficult than before, just more expensive. But that's beside the point. Why don't they just make the whole passport readable from a distance, that would surely reduce queues when crossing borders. I'd gladly pay for a passport that I could just show to a machine instead of eyeballing with some immigration officer of country X. I don't give a sh*t about the "security" side of this, but I'd gladly see better customer service when crossing the border. Then again, I'm from Finland and generally don't give a shit about the situation that the US has gotten itself into.

  58. Re:WARNING: Do not destroy your passport by bentcd · · Score: 1

    Just an advanced warning: you will NOT be able to board flights using a passport that has no RFID response and thus has been tampered with.
    You are assuming that there will actually be readers installed at all aircraft terminals. Is there a reason to believe that this is actually going to happen any time in the next 10-20 years?

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  59. Re:I cares?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod AC +5 Hilarious!

    Filthy parisians. What they need is a French Rodney King. I can see it now. Rodney is munching on a bagel and sippin on some gin and juice as he stares into the camera, "can't (munch) (munch) we all just get (munch) (munch) along...ah, fuck it! Yo bitches, I got first divs on that green Renault with my AK and molotav!"

  60. s/American/Italian/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Americans, with their weekend of vacation time, don't travel abroad.

    1. Re:s/American/Italian/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh but when they do... they seem to think that speaking english loudly and slowly is a substitute for speaking an other language

  61. Why the passport? by BigForbis · · Score: 1

    It could be just my messed up thinking, but why is the big push on securing the passports. At least in my opinion, which obviously is not what the government wants to hear, but the problem doesn't lie in the passports. We all have to prove we are allowed to be here on entry, but not when leaving. The last times I have been on a plane to go to another country, nothing is done to track anyone when leaving the country. What's to stop people from coming in, mailing their passport to another person, and doing the same. If they never know when we leave, how do they know it's really the same person entering the country all the time. I seem to believe that people entering a country have about as much attention paid to the picture on the passport as people shopping at Home Depot with a credit card and having their signatures compared.

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    1. Re:Why the passport? by Tzutzu · · Score: 1
      Probably you are an American citizen.

      Everyine entering U.S. with a visa, a form (I94) is stitched to the passport. When you leave the country (at check-in) they take that form back. So if you need a vise, they do trace when you come and go.

      Plus, even as a citizen, the airlines scan your passport. But they don't give that info to the gov. Or do they ? :-) O, wait! They do! It while ago was some noise about that one. The noise stopped, but not the sharing :-)

  62. My voice is my passport. by Urusai · · Score: 1

    Verify me.

    1. Re:My voice is my passport. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Voice recognition could work ... until that day when you need do go do work wid a code and a stuffy node. *sniffle* No, ob course not, my stubby node won't change how my voice sounds to the scanner. My voice is my passport, verify *ah, ah, achoo* me.

      Ah, screw it, I'll just call in sick.

      Nice idea, but I'm not sure it would be robust enough. [And yes, I did get the reference.]

    2. Re:My voice is my passport. by Dufftron+9000 · · Score: 1

      You do realize that your voice really only sounds different to you when you have a cold since the fluid in your sinuses changes how you "hear" your own voice. Ever notice that you sound different on tape than what you hear inside your own head? I am not a security expert, but the information I have seen on the serious voiceprint stuff uses aspects of your voiceprint that are not affected by tone since otherwise a mimic could break in much easier than other biometric methods. Not that voiceprint is really an ideal security method anyway.

    3. Re:My voice is my passport. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mother?

  63. Re:Actually, your comment is CONFUSING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does a generation of homosexuals migrating to San Francisco have to do with anything?

  64. But the Dungeon Masters Guides says by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 2, Funny

    That I should be using Plate +3 (+5 versus State Department goons, diplomats and internet cafe baristas)

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  65. Re:WARNING: Do not destroy your passport by InvalidError · · Score: 1

    You are going to need a fairly large and sturdy suitcase to fit the magnetron and its PSU... a microwave oven transformer weights about 1kg, the UPS that feeds it is another ~1kg (without battery and casing) and the batteries are another ~5kg. (Though you could cut nearly 2kg by building your own 12V or 24V to 2.5kV/1kW step-up converter.)

    The simplest thing would be a spark gap housed in a wave-guide... but this would be really loud when driven with the sort of energy levels necessary to generate disruptive and potentially destructive amounts of RFI.

  66. Pop Secret by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    They'll know you microwaved it from the popcorn smell on the card...

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    1. Re:Pop Secret by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      And the Feds are going to embed popcorn kernels into the passport as microwaving detectors.

      Better to get a tesla coil and use high voltage electricity to take it out.

  67. hmm by codelion · · Score: 1
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  68. What should be in the article... by Hugonz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Although some have derided this as a tinfoil hat for passports, the fact is that it is indeed a fucking tinfoil hat!

  69. Range of RFID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There seems to be a "hard" limit of 300m for active transponders.

    Is there a greater range product on the market, or can one be created?

  70. No more Radio Waves!!! by mmeister · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the KEY is printed and thus has to be scanned, why don't they just print the information on there too? I mean, they are already planning to require you to put it across an optical scanner, so there must be another, unspoken, reason for using RFID.

    The reasoning behind using RFID Passports seems *VERY* flawed. I am suspect of any agency that is a proponent of such reasoning. I'm sure terrorists and boogyman will be mentioned several times in the explanation as to why we should have this technology.

    Someone is hiding something!!

  71. Why not by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    Just incorporate the data into the bar code and be done with it?
    This is more secure and wouldn't bring the host of problems associated with RFID security.
    Isn't that kind of like military intelligence?

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  72. I made the Foil'ID Again (TM) by saskboy · · Score: 1

    But no one wanted to buy a passport protector, fine foil product when I offered 2 for sale on eBay earlier this year. They obviously don't have the following that Foil Hats for pets do.

    A picture of the Foil'ID Again is at the bottom of this page http://www.angelfire.com/mt/woodmtn/insight.html

    Now the US government is trying to improve upon my design by integrating the foil right into the cover of the passport. And I thought government wasn't supposed to interfere in start-up businesses.

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    1. Re:I made the Foil'ID Again (TM) by msbsod · · Score: 1

      Heinrich Rudolf Hertz (1857-1894) did perform experiments on radio waves a long time before you, and he even figured out how to block them and how to polarize them. I have seen some of his equipment in Bonn. Sorry, buddy. Nice idea, though. ;-)

    2. Re:I made the Foil'ID Again (TM) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you know you can kill those crappy angelfire ads at the top of the page

      go google for it, you usually have to insert an extra body or style tag or something like that in your html to trick their code into sticking itself somewhere it won't get activated

  73. Enter? How about exit? by TheLink · · Score: 1

    I think the exiting part can also be a bit worrying...

    Or even the transiting.

    My uncle once had the "pleasure" of being on a flight that was to transit on US soil. Something happened and the passengers had to get off the plane (it was to be just a short stop and then the plane was to take off etc).

    Naturally he didn't have the visa and stuff to enter the USA, after all he wasn't intending to enter the USA, but still the US immigration people hassled him about that. This was even before the USA's 9/11.

    So things could probably be worse now.

    Might end up being sent to some Middle Eastern country or Cuba or even the US itself...

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  74. GATTACA by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Give that DNA readers seem to following Moore's Law, at some future time there will be a quick DNA reader. But then the bad guys will employ the disguise Ethan Hawke used. Maybe even clones.

  75. Not a good idea .... by taniwha · · Score: 1

    With the new 'tin-foil' cover it will probably burst into flames ....

  76. RFID and moisture by FlippyTheSkillsaw · · Score: 1

    How do RFID chips hold up to moisture? Being passive, I'd imagine that they don't care much, but when you intend to make it very thin, you must give up insulation and protection.

    Would metal start to oxydize?

    What happens if it is currently damp when it is scanned? My understanding of RFID is that you have to induce current to read it. Aren't the security alarms at the door of clothing stores using RFID?

    Sure, the idea that I will be tracked is not good, but I'd be more worried that my passport would become either bulky or fragile.

    Worry about privacy, but in the worst case, it shouldn't be hard to make a passport RFID jammer or the some sort of signal dampening like the metal shield.

  77. retinal scan? by tuxette · · Score: 1

    I've had several laser treatments for retinal tears lately. Something like that would really fuck things up for me, having to change my information for each treatment...? And I'm sure they'd make it difficult, if not possible to change this information. Even when you have legitimate medical reasons to do so. Just to be the assholes they are.

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  78. Re:I cares?! by MCraigW · · Score: 1
    Filthy parisians.

    Hey, lets be nice. They're called "Parisites".

  79. So wrong by Conare · · Score: 2, Informative

    wrong. There are still 2 important benefits:

    1. Contact chips only last 4-5 years. US passports are valid for 10. The contactless chip is more durable. 2. There is no need to attempt to mandate the exact size and shape of 28 countries different passport. Very difficult, especially in the current political climate. Remember that this initiative started when the US said you have to do this to be a visa waiver country. The International Civil Aviation Organization then set the standards. So don't blame just the US for the fact that it's an RFID chip. 28 countries agreed to this because it was the path of least resistance.

    Also, I don't think optical codes can store as much data as this RFID chip, but I may be wrong about that

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  80. The new European Passports will not have this prob by Cili · · Score: 2, Informative
    from TFA:
    RFID chips, including the ones specified for U.S. passports, can still be uniquely identified by their radio behavior. Specifically, these chips have a unique identification number used for collision avoidance. It's how the chips avoid communications problems if you put a bagful of them next to a reader. This is something buried deep within the chip, and has nothing to do with the data or application on the chip.

    Chip manufacturers don't like to talk about collision IDs or how they work, but researchers have shown how to uniquely identify RFID chips by querying them and watching how they behave. And since these queries access a lower level of the chip than the passport application, an access-control mechanism doesn't help.

    To fix this, the State Department needs to require that the chips used in passports implement a collision-avoidance system not based on unique serial numbers. The RFID spec -- ISO 14443A is its name -- allows for a random system, but I don't believe any manufacturer implements it this way.
    The new European Passports have this problem, too. I worked three months with the Radboud University in Nijmegen, Netherlands on this issue. We tested a pair of sample passports and each had a unique serial number (called UID in the ISO standard).

    The only way to solve this is to randomly-generate the UID on the RFID during the anti-collision process, which dramatically increases the cost of the card. Encrypting the UID is out of the question because the anti-collision process is very low-level.

    To the people who are scared of identity theft: this flaw does NOT expose the information on the card, so an atacker using this will NOT get your photo,name,age,fingerprent minutia, etc. The only malicious way this could be used is to recognize a person identified before.

    But the area where the anti-collision process can be eavesdropped on is at least 10m (some 30 feet), because a part of the process requires that the RFID reader broadcast the UID of the card it selects for comunication. Wrapping the passport in tin-foil will protect you from hidden readers, so your passport will not be detectable in your pocket.
  81. Optical Scan + RFID? Why? by Irvu · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If they need to scan it optically in order to obtain the info, then why use RFID at all? Seriously, at best the only viable argument for RFID chips is that they might make those lines move a little faster. But noe, for sthe sake of security we have to a) have the passport open, and b) have it scanned by an optical scanner. At which point absolutely nothing is gained by using RFID.

    To review:
    • RFID:
      1. Can be scanned by anyone in a remote fashion (without holders knowledge).
      2. Supposedly this means the end of lines at passport offices.
      3. But, It necessitates countermeasures to ptorect it (tinfoil shield).
      4. Said shield is unlikely to be perfect. If you hold it open in your hand (while waiting in line), open it to check it elsewhere, let it fall open in your bag, etc, it no longer helps.
      5. To protect data said chip is encrypted requiring an optical scan to verify. Optical data is itself imperfect in that it too can be scanned, but now much closer.
    • Old Method:
      1. Data is stored in human or machine readable form on the passport requiring optical scan.
      2. Data cannot be efficiently scanned remotely (i.e. without the holder's knowledge).
      3. But we end up waiting in long lines.


    Am I the only one who is beginning to think that RFID is a problem in search of a different problem. This news today proves conclusively that nothing is gained by using the chips. They open up pointless security holes and provide not one bit of protection.

    What a damned waste.
  82. Incorrect by geekoid · · Score: 1

    "A barcode could have actual data on it."

    A barcode is a series of numbers the is then compared to a key in a database and returns the results.

    For example:
    When you go buy a can of corn, the price of the corn is not in the bar code. it is in a database.

    SO the barcode gets scanned, and lets say the bar code returns a '2'.
    It hen goes to the database and gets the data associated with that ID.

    Select Price,Name,Weight from Inventory where Item_ID = 2 .59 'Corn' 12Oz.

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  83. First the Dutch RFID passport, now this. by mcvos · · Score: 1

    The RFID encryption in the not-yet-released Dutch passport has also been broken a couple of months ago. Why don't they just put a regular, actual physical contact-requiring chip in those passports? That'd really save a lot of privacy and security headaches.

  84. Incorrect by oasisbob · · Score: 1
    A barcode is a series of numbers the is then compared to a key in a database and returns the results.


    Barcodes (especially 2D barcodes) can carry information more information than a database key. For example, many drivers licenses carry a barcode which contains personal information about the driver.

    But I'm sure most of the /. population appreciates you explaining how databases work.
  85. Re:The new European Passports will not have this p by msbsod · · Score: 1

    The European passport will be worse. They will also contain biometric information, like fingerprinting. And databases about every EU citizen, including their eating habits, usual and occasional flight routes, etc., are already up and running, with random access for the US government. EU citizens do not understand this matter and I have not seen any broad coverage in the EU media.
    Some people find it hard to get a useful wireless connection over a few meters, but others can run the same transmission over several km, because they understand how things work. Signal processing makes a big difference. We will see if 10m are enough distance to prevent eavesdropping. I doubt it.

  86. ntoskrnl by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    Causing Kernel Panic!!!

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  87. Questions... by wumingzi · · Score: 1

    1) How much does the US e-Passport draw from the framework drawn up for machine readable travel documents from the ICAO?

    The ICAO machine readable documents use a PKI-based challenge/response mechanism to coax the data out. It would not be impossible to get all the pieces required, but it would be quite a good trick.

    2) Can anyone who really understand radio propagation explain the factors involved in activating a passive RFID chip from a distance? I understand the distance-squared rule. What I do not understand is what the ramifications are for field strength at the transmitter. You would seem to have to have a lot of power at the transmitter, and you'd have to keep it somewhat portable. Good luck with that.

  88. Easy ON / OFF switch by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    I have one of the Washington DC Metro Smartcards used to operate their turnstiles. Since I keep it in my wallet and sit on it most of the time, the internal circuitry got a bit damaged. It now only works if I twist the card slightly while holding it over the sensor.

    But this just goes on to highlight the fact that it shouldn't be too hard to simply put an off switch on RFID, so it's only activated if you, say, short an exposed terminal on the card/passport. Shouldn't be too hard to grow a mod community around a feature like this...

  89. Sure... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    if you lose your overflowing apostrophs coming out of every hole... ;P

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  90. I have one right here... by Team+Zissou · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You might have noticed in the article that some countries have already starting issuing these new passports. I can confirm that because I have one right here.

    Visually it looks very similar to a regular pasport, although it now has a little symbol on the bottom of the front cover denoting it as an electronic passport. The chips are stored in the centre of the passport, in what looks like about 7 pages stuck together. It has a warning printed on this page about it containing sensitive electronic components, and that you shouldn't bend, perforate or expose it to extreme temperatures or excess moisture. Further down it also says to please treat it with the same care you would any sensitive electronic device.

    I can't see any evidence of a metal shield in the front and back covers, and I can't see where the number is that must be scanned optically to get the access code for the rfid chip is.

    Physically it is noticeably thicker, heavier, and stiffer. The other point worth making is that it was ~10% more expensive then a regular passport.

  91. aluminum case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get yourself one of those solid metal cases and carry the pass port in that.
    Then when the border people want to see it you take it out of your case and presto.
    After, when your at done, you put it back.

    Simple.

  92. Re:Mag-stripe Limitations by Cili · · Score: 1

    ISO14443 doesn't actualy deal with dumb memory storage devices, but contactless smartcards.

  93. Re:German passport - protection against tracing by pillilz · · Score: 1
    "The problem is the RFID serial number used for collisions will not be encrypted as is required for communication, thus still allowing tracking."

    In a CAST Forum presentation http://www.cast-forum.de/events/cast/2005/Biometri e/ earlier this year the BSI (http://www.bsi.de/ Germany National Security Agency) claimed that German passports are protected against tracing, because they generate their serial number randomly, each time they get powered on via microwaves.

    The idea of using something printed in the passport to protect the access to the RF chip is called basic access control and is regarded as moderately secure by BSI (who claim that this protection is a European/German - don't remember exactly - idea). Even this basic protection is optional by ICAO standards and not implemented by many countries.

    A a more advanced PKI based access control will be implemented by Germany in a second step (in 1-2 years, as far as I remember).