we have a lot of people who do not speak english natively where I work (a very large telecom company:-)
I have completely different experience though - what is important is intelligence and skills, not language. We get into language related problems from time to time but overall it has almost no effect, certainly neglibile compared to problems caused by incompetence of some people (some of them speak english fluently some of them don't).
from my personal experience I much rather deal with people who know what they are doing and don't speak english that well (it might mean that the meeting will take 10 minutes instead of 5 but the actual work will be done on time and the result is good code) than people who speak fluently but don't know what they are doing (the meeting will take forever because they don't understand what's going on and the work is either never done or the result is very poor code).
at work we simply have to have win nt workstation even though all our development work is on solaris (it's company policy and we have to be able to use outlook (because of exchange - email, calendar, book the conference rooms etc.) and ms office)
FYI: in Slovakia (probably in some other coutnries as well, it was called International day of Children (or International Children's day)) there is a kid's day, it's June 1st. Now excuse me while I'm going to celebrate white history month...
I was in a movie theatre when the same thing happened (melted film), IIRC it was movie Mexican, we've got full refund and we could watch the rest of the movie (there was a 5 to 10 minute break, we missed few scenes of a movie, about a minute or two). fairly good deal. (it was in one of the Century multiplexes in san francisco, ca area)
you CAN legally make copies for your own use of your own CDs (in US, if you care about RIAA I gues you are talking about US situation) - there are fair use rights and home recording act. So obviously you wouldn't be whining, you could send them directly where they came from...
12 $/month for 30 hours dial-up? sound unreasonably expensive, I find it strange that you find it acceptable... people are different... (btw I have dsl and love it)
I can't see any possible situation where it is helpfull to have windows overlap
That just means you don't see much. there are quite a few situations where one might need only part of the window visible. Few examples if you still can't see:
I start something in the xterm (e.g. update of the system (apt-get... in debian)). It takes some time and I only need last line visible. In the meantime I do other stuff and later on, when my action is required (during configuration) I switch back to this window. I guess you can think of other similar examples.
another example: shaped windows: I have transparent oclock (no title, no window decorations) in the upper right corner of screen - that way it does not stand in the way because there's nothing that important there (almost all the time) and it only takes up very little space (it's transparent, just the circle) - I still can e.g. use window control buttons if the window corner happens to be there (to close/maximize/iconify window)
etc. there are other situations when overlapping windows are usefull (general idea is: you don't have to see the whole window ALL the time)
keep in mind that you started by comparing win <-> linux docs etc. so the fact that linux is not ideal (and of course it is not) does not prove anything - just continue comparing to windows (you suddenly forgot all about that part of your original post)
docs: there are books and plenty of info. there is book on linux kernel, several books on various unix internals, book on linux drivers etc. and quite a lot of info on-line. there is NO comparable info (publicly accessbile) on windows.
talking to developers: yes, some are more friendly/responsive then others. still, in windows word you don't even have anything to compare it to....
linux binary compatibility: that proves that it's easy to do while windows binary compatibility is not easy to do (since internals of windows are not known)
filesystem: it is possible to write vfs that looks like filesystem but is entirely userspace (and I even mentioned it in previous post).
there is plenty of docs for linux (and linux in general) - books, internet, everywhere... you can talk to kernel developers directly (and they generally have no NDAs)
just notice how many OSs have linux binary compatibility (they can run linux binaries) and how hard it is to to implement system that would enable one to run windows binaries (wine).
as far as non-file system namespace: not sure what you mean, in linux everything is file. but not everything has to be physical file on the disc, apart from the 'real' files you have/dev/*, pipes, sockets etc. (still fairly 'real' files) and also have virtual file system that can be anything (vfs, see e.g. midnight commander that uses vfs to provide access to both real filesystem and e.g. ftp site)
I had this funny experience I couldn't believe myself: in one of my previous job secretaries saw a friend of mine using grep (from borland C++ package) to find something for them. They were so amazed that they asked him how to use it and used it from then on (I know they used it since they had some questions occasionally). [most documents were in t602 word processor format which is basically plain text with some formatting characters, at least can be searched like text]
- few users know how to use windows effectively, most users wouldn't even notice difference, note that difference between windows versions are pretty much the same as differences between win and e.g. kde (or whatever desktop is used)
- file sharing in enterprise environment is more important on the level of automation of ordering/billing etc. (edi, now xml, various other formats). The only files where windows is helpful are office application and those are not crucial (staroffice is sufficient) and that's just small potatoes...
the only reason to keep windows is: games. hope that will change...
can't speak for everybody but dual booting bothers me a lot... to the point that now I have computer for games... I would love to be able to play games on linux, even if it meant using wine...
(I'm pretty sure I could find better use for the current game machine:-)
my guess is that games is one major reason to have ms win computer. most of the other (common) ms win applications have at least some linux equivalent...
games availability: in the beginning the emulation will not be perfect but they will fine-tune it for particular games, i.e. implement what those games need first. as the implementation gets more complete most of the games should work out of the box, or at least less work should be required to make them working.
it's 2.4.x that was released recently, other than that you're VERY right. I have tried almost all of them (at least the ones in debian), fvwm has by far the best features... IMO, of course...
erik
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I don't see how is what you write relevant to the point I was trying to make (see also the post I was replying to). The quotes are out of context but not misleading - those are real quotes from koran, they state what they state (yes, the context changes the meaning somewhat)
the point of the quotes (and why I have chosen those): too many people act according these 'out of context' quotes and therefore make them the real substance of islam in the real world.
as far as the position of women: in lot of islamic states it is a law that women have close to no rights and veil (fashion) is not the biggest problem. no I am not confusing culture and religion. the problem is, as you state, that religion is law (I see it as a problem). and yes, you can find positive coutnerexamples (in some of the more liberal islamic countries) but the overall situation is quite bad...
also please note that my response was to a specific historically incorrect comment, I have tried to correct it, not to characterize islam and arabic (ok, islam is not arabic only) culture/people/countries exhaustingly etc.
then again, your comment was probably a good couterbalance to my comment...
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well, islam was trying to forcefully expand towards europe (and other parts of the world) for ages. so don't lie to us about peaceful culture.
also, the women in real life have close to no rights in islamic countries, I don't know what koran says about this issue but that's the reality.
extremists? what about these (straight from www.islamreview.com, these are, as I understand it, quotes from koran):
"Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies" Surah 8:60
"Fight (kill) them (non-Muslims), and Allah will punish (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame" Surah 9:14
"I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah" Surah 8:12, 17
frankly, I do not like a religion like that. you can, of course, like it if you want, but don't lie to me (and others) about peacefullness of it.
if you are providing a good description of what happened then it's quite obvious that the problem was not that he was prima donna but he was simply incompetent.
now if somebody would make the sound card work like an ethernet card... etc... just like we have generic CPU we would have a generic input/output device... why bother with all the different hardware solutions?
now excuse me, I have to go to nearest patent office:-)
the point of the post above (that you are responding to) was that the kids have to be not shielded from everything but explained everything.
in other words, it's not about whether one is able to restrict the kid or know exactly what kid is viewing at "Johnny's". It's about what the kid is tought - you know, the right from wrong, the left from right etc... that's what matters. naked butts etc. are fairly irrelevant.
quote:
"I can spend time with my child at home, making sure they use the internet safely."
make sure they LEARN, that they find interesting stuff etc... that way restricting them becomes non-issue.
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we have a lot of people who do not speak english natively where I work (a very large telecom company:-)
I have completely different experience though - what is important is intelligence and skills, not language. We get into language related problems from time to time but overall it has almost no effect, certainly neglibile compared to problems caused by incompetence of some people (some of them speak english fluently some of them don't).
from my personal experience I much rather deal with people who know what they are doing and don't speak english that well (it might mean that the meeting will take 10 minutes instead of 5 but the actual work will be done on time and the result is good code) than people who speak fluently but don't know what they are doing (the meeting will take forever because they don't understand what's going on and the work is either never done or the result is very poor code).
disclaimer: english is not my first language.
erik
at home it's basically only games,
at work we simply have to have win nt workstation even though all our development work is on solaris (it's company policy and we have to be able to use outlook (because of exchange - email, calendar, book the conference rooms etc.) and ms office)
erik
^d is end of file, try it with e.g. cat , if hit on the shell prompt shell understands it as end of user input == logout
^c sends INT signal to a program (same as kill -INT pid)
to print more of these magic spells (current settings of terminal):
stty -a
what's described above is (usually) the default behaviour but it can be changed using stty.
erik
FYI: in Slovakia (probably in some other coutnries as well, it was called International day of Children (or International Children's day)) there is a kid's day, it's June 1st. Now excuse me while I'm going to celebrate white history month...
erik
well, interesting but it's not legally binding (just pointing that out, not implying you said it was).
erik
IANAMD (IANA medical doctor) it should help, just in addition to that sleep less. Effects of both should add up.
:-)
this is not a medical advice, if you want a medical advice consult your doctor
erik
I was in a movie theatre when the same thing happened (melted film), IIRC it was movie Mexican, we've got full refund and we could watch the rest of the movie (there was a 5 to 10 minute break, we missed few scenes of a movie, about a minute or two). fairly good deal. (it was in one of the Century multiplexes in san francisco, ca area)
erik
"...Jouko has been very kind not to publish any additional information..."
IMO he should and anybody who writes malicious warm that exploits it should get a medal. Stupidity SHOULD be painful.
erik
IMO they would say stop the current process. They would have to be learned that it means undo in some programs.
erik
you CAN legally make copies for your own use of your own CDs (in US, if you care about RIAA I gues you are talking about US situation) - there are fair use rights and home recording act. So obviously you wouldn't be whining, you could send them directly where they came from...
erik
12 $/month for 30 hours dial-up? sound unreasonably expensive, I find it strange that you find it acceptable... people are different... (btw I have dsl and love it)
erik
That just means you don't see much. there are quite a few situations where one might need only part of the window visible. Few examples if you still can't see:
I start something in the xterm (e.g. update of the system (apt-get ... in debian)). It takes some time and I only need last line visible. In the meantime I do other stuff and later on, when my action is required (during configuration) I switch back to this window. I guess you can think of other similar examples.
another example: shaped windows: I have transparent oclock (no title, no window decorations) in the upper right corner of screen - that way it does not stand in the way because there's nothing that important there (almost all the time) and it only takes up very little space (it's transparent, just the circle) - I still can e.g. use window control buttons if the window corner happens to be there (to close/maximize/iconify window)
etc. there are other situations when overlapping windows are usefull (general idea is: you don't have to see the whole window ALL the time)
erik
keep in mind that you started by comparing win <-> linux docs etc. so the fact that linux is not ideal (and of course it is not) does not prove anything - just continue comparing to windows (you suddenly forgot all about that part of your original post)
docs: there are books and plenty of info. there is book on linux kernel, several books on various unix internals, book on linux drivers etc. and quite a lot of info on-line. there is NO comparable info (publicly accessbile) on windows.
talking to developers: yes, some are more friendly/responsive then others. still, in windows word you don't even have anything to compare it to....
linux binary compatibility: that proves that it's easy to do while windows binary compatibility is not easy to do (since internals of windows are not known)
filesystem: it is possible to write vfs that looks like filesystem but is entirely userspace (and I even mentioned it in previous post).
erik
there is plenty of docs for linux (and linux in general) - books, internet, everywhere... you can talk to kernel developers directly (and they generally have no NDAs)
/dev/*, pipes, sockets etc. (still fairly 'real' files) and also have virtual file system that can be anything (vfs, see e.g. midnight commander that uses vfs to provide access to both real filesystem and e.g. ftp site)
just notice how many OSs have linux binary compatibility (they can run linux binaries) and how hard it is to to implement system that would enable one to run windows binaries (wine).
as far as non-file system namespace: not sure what you mean, in linux everything is file. but not everything has to be physical file on the disc, apart from the 'real' files you have
erik
grep:
I had this funny experience I couldn't believe myself: in one of my previous job secretaries saw a friend of mine using grep (from borland C++ package) to find something for them. They were so amazed that they asked him how to use it and used it from then on (I know they used it since they had some questions occasionally). [most documents were in t602 word processor format which is basically plain text with some formatting characters, at least can be searched like text]
erik
- few users know how to use windows effectively, most users wouldn't even notice difference, note that difference between windows versions are pretty much the same as differences between win and e.g. kde (or whatever desktop is used)
- file sharing in enterprise environment is more important on the level of automation of ordering/billing etc. (edi, now xml, various other formats). The only files where windows is helpful are office application and those are not crucial (staroffice is sufficient) and that's just small potatoes...
the only reason to keep windows is: games. hope that will change...
erik
can't speak for everybody but dual booting bothers me a lot... to the point that now I have computer for games... I would love to be able to play games on linux, even if it meant using wine...
(I'm pretty sure I could find better use for the current game machine:-)
my guess is that games is one major reason to have ms win computer. most of the other (common) ms win applications have at least some linux equivalent...
games availability: in the beginning the emulation will not be perfect but they will fine-tune it for particular games, i.e. implement what those games need first. as the implementation gets more complete most of the games should work out of the box, or at least less work should be required to make them working.
erik
it's 2.4.x that was released recently, other than that you're VERY right. I have tried almost all of them (at least the ones in debian), fvwm has by far the best features... IMO, of course...
erik
I don't see how is what you write relevant to the point I was trying to make (see also the post I was replying to). The quotes are out of context but not misleading - those are real quotes from koran, they state what they state (yes, the context changes the meaning somewhat)
the point of the quotes (and why I have chosen those): too many people act according these 'out of context' quotes and therefore make them the real substance of islam in the real world.
as far as the position of women: in lot of islamic states it is a law that women have close to no rights and veil (fashion) is not the biggest problem. no I am not confusing culture and religion. the problem is, as you state, that religion is law (I see it as a problem). and yes, you can find positive coutnerexamples (in some of the more liberal islamic countries) but the overall situation is quite bad...
also please note that my response was to a specific historically incorrect comment, I have tried to correct it, not to characterize islam and arabic (ok, islam is not arabic only) culture/people/countries exhaustingly etc.
then again, your comment was probably a good couterbalance to my comment...
erik
well, islam was trying to forcefully expand towards europe (and other parts of the world) for ages. so don't lie to us about peaceful culture.
also, the women in real life have close to no rights in islamic countries, I don't know what koran says about this issue but that's the reality.
extremists? what about these (straight from www.islamreview.com, these are, as I understand it, quotes from koran):
"Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies" Surah 8:60
"Fight (kill) them (non-Muslims), and Allah will punish (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame" Surah 9:14
"I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah" Surah 8:12, 17
frankly, I do not like a religion like that. you can, of course, like it if you want, but don't lie to me (and others) about peacefullness of it.
erik
...and bases belong to their respective owners...
anyway, how braindead is this? (IMO a lot)
KDE and Gnome writing their own antialiasing font engine (server/library/whatever)?
why don't they each provide video card drivers?
they should both be renamed to Cancer...
erik
if you are providing a good description of what happened then it's quite obvious that the problem was not that he was prima donna but he was simply incompetent.
erik
sounds like idea of winmodem taken to extreme:-)
now if somebody would make the sound card work like an ethernet card... etc... just like we have generic CPU we would have a generic input/output device... why bother with all the different hardware solutions?
now excuse me, I have to go to nearest patent office:-)
erik
the point of the post above (that you are responding to) was that the kids have to be not shielded from everything but explained everything.
in other words, it's not about whether one is able to restrict the kid or know exactly what kid is viewing at "Johnny's". It's about what the kid is tought - you know, the right from wrong, the left from right etc... that's what matters. naked butts etc. are fairly irrelevant.
quote:
"I can spend time with my child at home, making sure they use the internet safely."
make sure they LEARN, that they find interesting stuff etc... that way restricting them becomes non-issue.
erik
"I have, I gave them WinNT 4.0. And my grandmother. And my sister. And my other sister. And my brothers."
what did your family do to you?
erik