In-N-Out? I'm jealous. It's been a long time since I got to eat a double-double. Would you mind posting the secret menu so that next time I get the chance, I know what to order?
I can't make up my mind if you're serious or a troll. While your points about theft are certainly true, your sodomist comments smack of trollry. Indeed, I wonder how anyone can have "principles" who is so excited over the thought of people being locked up in jail and sodomized.
If you want to be taken seriously, keep the post logical, PLEASE.
I believe you are correct on the name, and I think it's an excellent idea. Unfortunately, the confusion has been going on so long that I think we're stuck with it:(
It appears our reviewer has fallen under a common misconception.
Java != JavaScript
The two are not even related. Yes, you can use them together, but the only thing they have in common are the four letters "J-a-v-a". It's bad enough when normal people fall under this misconception. We don't need supposedly technically savvy people succumbing to the same thing.
JavaScript was developed by Netscape as a dynamic browser language, and "extended" by Microsoft. The W3C "standardized" it, and then both Netscape and Microsoft went about with their own proprietary versions.
Java is owned by Sun Microsystems and was originally an embedded systems language. Sun took the language, renamed it "Java", and added web functionality.
Yeah but if you think about how many "first to market" projects are now dominant in their market, maybe you'd rather do things a little more correctly....
Your disdain of his position is quite off-base. If you reread his remarks, you will observe that he wants to do it the right way, but his supervisors only give him enough time to do it the quick and dirty way. Furthermore, they expect him to do it properly (which takes longer) in the (shorter) dirty timeframe.
On top of that, he's a programmer, not a salesman. He isn't the one handing you the Q&D software and telling you that it is robust, fully functional, and everything you ever wanted.
I understand how being told that and finding out otherwise repeatedly could leave a sour taste behind. Don't blame the programmer for doing what it takes to keep his job because management refuses to find a better solution than the impossible. Sales and marketing staffs often promise the world to the customer, then expect the management to get the programmers to turn out the code overnight, documented, in a package with a silver bow.
I believe there needs to be a balance. No, software engineers should not be solely responsible for determining how long projects would take. The purists among us would overengineer them into oblivion. On the other hand, too often management has no concept at all of what goes into developing software, and the people in marketing expect such things to be as easy as magic. Thus, marketing and management should not have sole discretion on timelines and styles.
What needs to happen is for management (preferably management with development experience), marketing, and IT to figure out what processes to use and allowable timeframes that are mutually agreeable.
Not a dumb question at all. Almost always correct and proper takes a lot more time than quick and dirty. And invariably, the amount of time management set aside is what you need for quick and dirty, not correct and proper; unless of course you live in some sort of software engineering utopia.
How about giving the man a little more credit for a legitimate question and dropping the annoyed sarcasm?
No offense intended, but the situation he describes isn't exactly uncommon. Maybe you have the good fortune to work in a software shop where you are allowed to properly design, implement, document, test, and release a product. I assure you that there are shops out there that take a realistic project schedule, chop it in half, and then chop the allocated development staff in half. Suddenly a 6 month, two man project becomes a 3 month one man project.
Under those circumstances, the choices he faces are valid. Trust me, even if you spend 60 hours a week, you aren't going to cram a properly developed product into 3 months on your own when the original timeline anticipated 2 people and 6 months.
My last gig saw a lot of that happen, and I've heard from other people that it's becoming more common as the economy gets worse (Recovery? What recovery?). Management knows that programmers are hard pressed to find new positions, and so treats them like slaves.
I think his question is legitimate. I'm just not sure there's a good answer to it.
Seems like lots of nations in lots of times have exploited lots of other nations, even colonized them. Why limit your "progressive" thinking to the here and now? Why not worry about setting all the wrongs right all the way back to when Cain killed Abel?
Besides which, if you want to get into the slavery argument, Americans (and others) certainly bought slaves, but you'll find if you look that very often it was African tribes selling other African tribe members to Europeans. Kinda defeats the image of the evil white man coming to enslave the noble black man.
In any case, I don't believe the government owes anybody anything beyond life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Not social security, not welfare, not a lousy prescription drug plan. If you're worried about your grandparents' financial well-being, and they weren't wise enough to save for their last years, maybe you should look at financing it rather than voting for the rest of us to do so.
I agree with the AC on the subject of ignorance. In any case, there's a wonderful thing out there called Google. Then again, I suppose you're too lazy to check that out since you're asking for a quick two sentence summary on what it is and why you should care.
Short story is that China has flood problems. They decided some years ago that the best thing to do to solve this would be to create a dam at a point in the river where three giant gorges meet (think damming the Grand Canyon). The upshot to this is that they hope to have better flood control (so hundreds of thousands of people don't die of drowning, starvation, and disease every time the river floods), increased power generation capacity (without building more coal plants), a new seaport upstream of the dam (for more commercial progress), and so on. The downshot is that they run the risk of the thing breaking (and killing hundreds of thousands or millions of people downstream, see references elsewhere in this thread to evidence of cracks in the dam with only a day's worth of water behind the wall), it may cause ecological havoc with various species including fish and birds, it will destroy archealogical sites (including tombs and shrines), it will cover airable farmland that has been used for millenia, and it has forced mass relocations.
I do have to take some umbrage at your characterization of Volvos and their drivers, however. I'm the (proud) owner of a 1990 Volvo 740 turbo wagon. It's safe. It's comfy. I can fit a 36" TV (still in box) in the cargo hold (been there, done that, got the t-shirt). It also isn't the size of an Escalade or Expedition.
My observation is that most Volvo drivers are parents who want safety for their families, so I (a single 20-something male) am a bit of an anomaly, but I wouldn't characterise Volvo drivers as idiots, or even as being worse than minivan drivers.
I understand your sensitivity at suddenly being lumped in with the source of all evil. At the same time, us Volvo drivers aren't any worse than you and your Cherokee. As a matter of fact, with Fordzillas and Chevyzillas running around, I'm darned glad that I have a safe car like my 740. If I got crushed by one of the morons driving those things and I was driving one of these cheap Japanese cars, I don't think I'd survive. With the Volvo, I at least have a fighting chance.
anyhow...end of rant....I just hate to see disparaging remarks about one of the best cars on the road....
The idea of actually paying for products they use and paying more than the product was produced for is suddenly lost when they go online.
I'm surprised that a sentence like that made it onto slashdot! This is, after all, the forum of "I want my mp3's for free but it's not piracy because 'information wants to be free' and I want my news for free to because, well, by golly, I've always gotten it for free!".
This is not to say that I see anything wrong with being cheap (as long as the cheap action isn't piracy). I'm just surprised that based on the prevalent groupthink here (even among the editors, and deny it all you like, it's still a form of groupthink) that there would be any countenance given to a different opinion.
In any case, when it comes to subscription services, I think the argument can be made either way. You can look at the newspaper and magazine model, where you pay a subscription for a particular content source, and they advertise to you. You can also look at the television model where you pay a subscription fee for multiple content sources and they all advertise to you, but outside the single fee, they can't charge you any more (unless you want PPV).
I guess I don't see a problem with sites attempting to charge what they can for the services they offer, but those sites should keep in mind the concept of supply and demand...and with the multitude of 'free' sites out there, I suspect the 'pay' sites won't do quite as well.
I like Frank Herbert's revision of the old saying: "Power corrupts. Absolute power attracts the absolutly corruptible."
Also, so many sheeple^h^h^h^h^h^h^hcustomers will pay anything to anyone for whatever they want, that whether the big retail stores are screwing them or not, they just won't know or care.
The answer to the first question (radiation belt) is that they developed shielding for the spacecraft that was capable of blocking the radiation. (Van Allen Belt, iirc). The answer to the second question is that the US government lost the political will to keep dumping (they thought) billions into the space program when it was more convenient to fight wars on poverty, disease, and other countries.
I have a VP6, two 750's, scsi card, dual-head video card, etc...
Thursday night while I was surfing the web, the system utterly froze. 79 days of continuous uptime, no problems, locked like *that*. Rebooted...worked OK til Saturday. Froze twice in 30 minutes.
Last time I saw this kind of behavior, there were too many computers plugged into the same circuit. With the Friday incident, I figured, "why not?" and turned my other two systems off. Saturday, both were off when the VP6 box went down.
I've had the board for about a year so I'm beginning to wonder if this is the reason for the problems. How can I go about verifying it?
It took some doing for me to lay my hands on the volumes (apparently no libarary I visited until I got to college had copies), but books 3 & 4 are based on the progression of years with the folks from the second crew that get stuck on the second ship. I guess the two biggest crimes perpetrated by the books are wierdness and dullness...you'll have to read the books to see what I mean as I am still twitching in scarred agony, denial, and mindblock.
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In-N-Out? I'm jealous. It's been a long time since I got to eat a double-double. Would you mind posting the secret menu so that next time I get the chance, I know what to order?
Given Russia's present economic condition, I think you meant to use the word "selling" :)
I can't make up my mind if you're serious or a troll. While your points about theft are certainly true, your sodomist comments smack of trollry. Indeed, I wonder how anyone can have "principles" who is so excited over the thought of people being locked up in jail and sodomized.
If you want to be taken seriously, keep the post logical, PLEASE.
I believe you are correct on the name, and I think it's an excellent idea. Unfortunately, the confusion has been going on so long that I think we're stuck with it :(
It appears our reviewer has fallen under a common misconception.
Java != JavaScript
The two are not even related. Yes, you can use them together, but the only thing they have in common are the four letters "J-a-v-a". It's bad enough when normal people fall under this misconception. We don't need supposedly technically savvy people succumbing to the same thing.
JavaScript was developed by Netscape as a dynamic browser language, and "extended" by Microsoft. The W3C "standardized" it, and then both Netscape and Microsoft went about with their own proprietary versions.
Java is owned by Sun Microsystems and was originally an embedded systems language. Sun took the language, renamed it "Java", and added web functionality.
Yeah but if you think about how many "first to market" projects are now dominant in their market, maybe you'd rather do things a little more correctly....
Your disdain of his position is quite off-base. If you reread his remarks, you will observe that he wants to do it the right way, but his supervisors only give him enough time to do it the quick and dirty way. Furthermore, they expect him to do it properly (which takes longer) in the (shorter) dirty timeframe.
On top of that, he's a programmer, not a salesman. He isn't the one handing you the Q&D software and telling you that it is robust, fully functional, and everything you ever wanted.
I understand how being told that and finding out otherwise repeatedly could leave a sour taste behind. Don't blame the programmer for doing what it takes to keep his job because management refuses to find a better solution than the impossible. Sales and marketing staffs often promise the world to the customer, then expect the management to get the programmers to turn out the code overnight, documented, in a package with a silver bow.
I believe there needs to be a balance. No, software engineers should not be solely responsible for determining how long projects would take. The purists among us would overengineer them into oblivion. On the other hand, too often management has no concept at all of what goes into developing software, and the people in marketing expect such things to be as easy as magic. Thus, marketing and management should not have sole discretion on timelines and styles.
What needs to happen is for management (preferably management with development experience), marketing, and IT to figure out what processes to use and allowable timeframes that are mutually agreeable.
Not a dumb question at all. Almost always correct and proper takes a lot more time than quick and dirty. And invariably, the amount of time management set aside is what you need for quick and dirty, not correct and proper; unless of course you live in some sort of software engineering utopia.
How about giving the man a little more credit for a legitimate question and dropping the annoyed sarcasm?
No offense intended, but the situation he describes isn't exactly uncommon. Maybe you have the good fortune to work in a software shop where you are allowed to properly design, implement, document, test, and release a product. I assure you that there are shops out there that take a realistic project schedule, chop it in half, and then chop the allocated development staff in half. Suddenly a 6 month, two man project becomes a 3 month one man project.
Under those circumstances, the choices he faces are valid. Trust me, even if you spend 60 hours a week, you aren't going to cram a properly developed product into 3 months on your own when the original timeline anticipated 2 people and 6 months.
My last gig saw a lot of that happen, and I've heard from other people that it's becoming more common as the economy gets worse (Recovery? What recovery?). Management knows that programmers are hard pressed to find new positions, and so treats them like slaves.
I think his question is legitimate. I'm just not sure there's a good answer to it.
hmmm....so do you have any experience keeping girlfriends for more than 6 months that you'd like to share? :)
IRC has support for profiling. It's called "ASL" :)
In related news, /. sets up a new server, "dates.slashdot.org" moderated by the ever knowledgable roblimo!
- Britain-China
- Britian-Scotland
- Britain-America
- Britain-middle east OPEC countries
- France-America
- France-middle east OPEC countries
- France-Vietnam
- Spain-America
- Rome-lots of places
- Babylon-lots of places
- Egypt-lots of places
- ...
Seems like lots of nations in lots of times have exploited lots of other nations, even colonized them. Why limit your "progressive" thinking to the here and now? Why not worry about setting all the wrongs right all the way back to when Cain killed Abel?Besides which, if you want to get into the slavery argument, Americans (and others) certainly bought slaves, but you'll find if you look that very often it was African tribes selling other African tribe members to Europeans. Kinda defeats the image of the evil white man coming to enslave the noble black man.
In any case, I don't believe the government owes anybody anything beyond life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Not social security, not welfare, not a lousy prescription drug plan. If you're worried about your grandparents' financial well-being, and they weren't wise enough to save for their last years, maybe you should look at financing it rather than voting for the rest of us to do so.
I agree with the AC on the subject of ignorance. In any case, there's a wonderful thing out there called Google. Then again, I suppose you're too lazy to check that out since you're asking for a quick two sentence summary on what it is and why you should care.
Short story is that China has flood problems. They decided some years ago that the best thing to do to solve this would be to create a dam at a point in the river where three giant gorges meet (think damming the Grand Canyon). The upshot to this is that they hope to have better flood control (so hundreds of thousands of people don't die of drowning, starvation, and disease every time the river floods), increased power generation capacity (without building more coal plants), a new seaport upstream of the dam (for more commercial progress), and so on. The downshot is that they run the risk of the thing breaking (and killing hundreds of thousands or millions of people downstream, see references elsewhere in this thread to evidence of cracks in the dam with only a day's worth of water behind the wall), it may cause ecological havoc with various species including fish and birds, it will destroy archealogical sites (including tombs and shrines), it will cover airable farmland that has been used for millenia, and it has forced mass relocations.
I've already found nemo. He hangs out on /NET!
I'll spoil some of the fun of reading the site...JWZ is the man behind the ever popular Xscreensaver suite. Enjoy reading the rest of the site.... :)
You should seriously submit that for inclusion in the fortune computer database.
*Nod* Long time no see!;)
I do have to take some umbrage at your characterization of Volvos and their drivers, however. I'm the (proud) owner of a 1990 Volvo 740 turbo wagon. It's safe. It's comfy. I can fit a 36" TV (still in box) in the cargo hold (been there, done that, got the t-shirt). It also isn't the size of an Escalade or Expedition.
My observation is that most Volvo drivers are parents who want safety for their families, so I (a single 20-something male) am a bit of an anomaly, but I wouldn't characterise Volvo drivers as idiots, or even as being worse than minivan drivers.
I understand your sensitivity at suddenly being lumped in with the source of all evil. At the same time, us Volvo drivers aren't any worse than you and your Cherokee. As a matter of fact, with Fordzillas and Chevyzillas running around, I'm darned glad that I have a safe car like my 740. If I got crushed by one of the morons driving those things and I was driving one of these cheap Japanese cars, I don't think I'd survive. With the Volvo, I at least have a fighting chance.
anyhow...end of rant....I just hate to see disparaging remarks about one of the best cars on the road....
Man, I wish I had some mod points....
yeah...that's probably the DDoS from all the 5kr1pt |:P ()
The idea of actually paying for products they use and paying more than the product was produced for is suddenly lost when they go online.
I'm surprised that a sentence like that made it onto slashdot! This is, after all, the forum of "I want my mp3's for free but it's not piracy because 'information wants to be free' and I want my news for free to because, well, by golly, I've always gotten it for free!". This is not to say that I see anything wrong with being cheap (as long as the cheap action isn't piracy). I'm just surprised that based on the prevalent groupthink here (even among the editors, and deny it all you like, it's still a form of groupthink) that there would be any countenance given to a different opinion. In any case, when it comes to subscription services, I think the argument can be made either way. You can look at the newspaper and magazine model, where you pay a subscription for a particular content source, and they advertise to you. You can also look at the television model where you pay a subscription fee for multiple content sources and they all advertise to you, but outside the single fee, they can't charge you any more (unless you want PPV). I guess I don't see a problem with sites attempting to charge what they can for the services they offer, but those sites should keep in mind the concept of supply and demand...and with the multitude of 'free' sites out there, I suspect the 'pay' sites won't do quite as well.
couple thoughts...
I like Frank Herbert's revision of the old saying: "Power corrupts. Absolute power attracts the absolutly corruptible."
Also, so many sheeple^h^h^h^h^h^h^hcustomers will pay anything to anyone for whatever they want, that whether the big retail stores are screwing them or not, they just won't know or care.
The answer to the first question (radiation belt) is that they developed shielding for the spacecraft that was capable of blocking the radiation. (Van Allen Belt, iirc). The answer to the second question is that the US government lost the political will to keep dumping (they thought) billions into the space program when it was more convenient to fight wars on poverty, disease, and other countries.
You have me interested...
I have a VP6, two 750's, scsi card, dual-head video card, etc...
Thursday night while I was surfing the web, the system utterly froze. 79 days of continuous uptime, no problems, locked like *that*. Rebooted...worked OK til Saturday. Froze twice in 30 minutes.
Last time I saw this kind of behavior, there were too many computers plugged into the same circuit. With the Friday incident, I figured, "why not?" and turned my other two systems off. Saturday, both were off when the VP6 box went down.
I've had the board for about a year so I'm beginning to wonder if this is the reason for the problems. How can I go about verifying it?
It took some doing for me to lay my hands on the volumes (apparently no libarary I visited until I got to college had copies), but books 3 & 4 are based on the progression of years with the folks from the second crew that get stuck on the second ship. I guess the two biggest crimes perpetrated by the books are wierdness and dullness...you'll have to read the books to see what I mean as I am still twitching in scarred agony, denial, and mindblock.