And I remember all of Reagan's years, and Carter's too. I remember that after he had been president for 4 years, he won by the biggest landslide in history.
So apparently most of the voters disagreed with your characterizations. That's historical fact, no opinion required.
If I throw my opinion into it, I'd have to say we valued intangibles like human rights, economic opportunity, peace,... far more than you apparently do today.
He is at least slightly visionary. I figure I'm averagely visionary, and here's what I come up with:
Screw that throw away flimsy ass lander vehicle thing. For what, red dirt on boots? Where's the profit in that?
Think big man. A real space ship. A real ship that lasts 100 years. It rotates for gravity and surrounded by water for radiation. Stay as long as you like. It's really big.
Impossible you say?
That's where the cheap ass subsidized reusable rocket comes in handy. It's a game changer in the right hands. Offices, dorms, laboratories, small scale manufacturing, a couple of rental condos, a little park; what would that rent for? Real geosynchronous orbit with Moon trips twice a year. What would countries pay to rent a suite on that? What deposits would they put down?
And then, o hay, we're goin' to Mars. It's no biggie really - a little extra food, extra fuel, we're going to be away awhile.
I go where I want and stay as long as I want, 'cause I'm Elon. Think about it man. I guess his next step is landing his shit on the barge while getting paid. You need to hurry up Elon.
It was time to end NATO right after the USSR fell. When Clinton was buying drinks for Yeltsin in Ukraine, he should have been signing the end of NATO instead of agreeing to substitute our nukes for theirs.
That would have been a nice legacy for a pacifist Democrat, and things would be a lot easier for us today in a number of places.
Hard to believe your false argument gets modded like that. I guess people are angry. Also, evil drug company. They really are.
But no you don't go to 5% after 10%. That's down to the point of not worth it. Which is the whole point of low corporate taxes. Hell, at 10%, it's hardly worth paying a gaggle of accountants to get out of everything. Pay it and be done with it. But half of the exorbitant 25% that they are paying; millions and millions of dollars (most not even earned in the US), is totally worth it. But no, we wouldn't even have to match Ireland's hypothetical 10%.
You're right about one thing; no pandering to Pfizer. There should be a reasonable tax rate that everybody pays, and nobody gets out of. A 35% corporate rate ain't even close to reasonable.
Yeah that counts Obama's subsidiary, GM, paying 0%. And Warren Buffet's trains, paying very little, while they build America, carrying that oil that will never be on the Keystone pipeline. And other guys like them, making the majority of the money that 12% is a percent of.
On the other side of that 12%, you have your Mom & Pop, trying to do their own taxes on paper, paying closer to 35%. And Pfizer, who, per the article, could apparently do no better than 25%.
25% on all profits, worldwide. That's after they already paid whatever tax in each country. They are moving for 12%. They would have stayed at 15%.
One guy: "‘When it comes to terrorist attacks, one of the big worries is that you could take down forums and cost someone their lives,’ a GhostSec spokesman known only as Digital Shadow told..." And it is the really the article author that is telling us, even Mr. Shadow simply said it was a worry.
I didn't think Anon was all that good before, something like the medicine is as bad as the disease. You could say they were close to terrorists themselves, as their releases hurt lots of good people, no matter how worthy their cause was.
This is of course, a good cause. The best. If there was ever a way for Anon to redeem themselves, not just to me, but to the intel hawks in Washington that hate them; this is it. I don't think Intel is complaining, and If they are smart, they can use this to enrich, verify, and prune the intelligence they have now. If they are watching people that get Anon-rolled, then they will see results and reactions, or the lack thereof; all of which is good intel.
Okay. It is unclear then why you drug Christians or even homeopathy into it.
On the subject, we were fine with our free and open society when prescriptions could not be advertised. I would support going back to that. There is no right to advertise cialis on my television.
Ah. That's what industry groups are for. If they are doing a good job (which they do), then as a taxpayer, why would I want to take on that cost for no additional benefit?
Additionally, once trusted industry groups are known, then the pool of companies that should be closely monitored, like these guys, shrinks considerably.
So what were you thinking the fee would be, to submit your supplement, let's say it's fiber, to the FDA for efficacy certification?
That is not true about the completely uninspected thing. They can come anytime they want with the authority of God's nephews. I'm sure statistics can be had that show that a Federal employee has not inspected the majority of sites in a given year. But believe me, you live in fear of the FDA if you're in the industry. Well, except I guess, these guys. I bet they got the fear now.
And everything you listed; inspect, test, enforce; I am in complete agreement with. That is exactly what the FDA is supposed to be doing.
I'm talking about the kind of regulations that cost you hundreds of man-hours before you can even begin to do business, and then you have to wait months for an answer before you can ship product. And the answer is often 'Need clarity on section 5, subsection D, pages 323-344...'
That is what they mean by a strong, well-funded regulatory agency. The FDA and FTC have all the authority they need right now, and then some. If they are not getting enough money, then possibly we should be looking at the Federal budget.
What, I missed a joke or something? Did you not say that churches compete with, and so are somehow against, modern medicine? And you said that they are doing well at it.
Modern medicine, which saves countless lives, is somehow opposed by the church, who then, logically, would want people to die.
I loved WoW, and still miss it terribly. I would have loved to see WoW developed into everything it could have been. 12 million was it almost breaking into the mainstream. They were so close to the perfect game...
Here's a scenario: WoW does so poorly that Activision sells it off to a private investor, who once was a feral druid...
What's left of Blizzard, if anything, hides deep in the bowels of the building, retaining the authority to decide between 92,500 and 92,750 damage for an attack.
I can't imagine much more than that can possibly be left. If there is, it certainly doesn't show in WoW.
Medicine already has competition: churches, faith healers, supplement companies, homeopathy.
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No matter the subject, gotta use the opportunity to hate on Christians. As long as you get a mean and sarcastic jab in, then I guess you've made the world a better place. Is that about it? Note in this case though, how the hater throws hippies in with the fundamentalist Christians. (I'd bet that faith healing Christians and homeopathic hippies are about the same percentage of their respective groups). Equal opportunity hater. How American.
That's the usual stuff from mean people lately, but the supplement companies thing is a newer twist; these intolerant people have that on their agenda lately. Can't allow dumber people than themselves to do business unsupervised. Forget that supplement companies (and their customers) have led the way in recent revelations on probiotics and the microbiome.
That's your rabbit hole right there. Not only can no amount of paperwork do such a thing for most supplements, that requirement would almost guarantee that nothing new could be discovered.
We're not talking about something like an antibiotic, where it cures a disease in a short time and is easy to see. Where some scientist had a theory and tested it out in a safe and controlled manner. We're talking about concentrated food in a capsule, that may or may not have some effect on you, but it's calories with some nutritional value nonetheless. If you had some glaring deficiency, a supplement could feel like a miracle cure. Most people wouldn't believe you, and the supplement wouldn't have the same effect on them, but that's fine, isn't it?
Now these guys apparently lied about the ingredients, which is already very tightly controlled by both the FDA and the FTC for anything you put in your mouth.
Why would you forbid me to buy rose hips or dandelion essence or whatever? Ah, you wouldn't forbid. You would regulate to the point that only Johnson & Johnson could possibly sell the stuff.
You'd use this lying about ingredients to impose the strict regulations you wanted all along, and put all supplement makers out of business.
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And I remember all of Reagan's years, and Carter's too. I remember that after he had been president for 4 years, he won by the biggest landslide in history.
So apparently most of the voters disagreed with your characterizations. That's historical fact, no opinion required.
If I throw my opinion into it, I'd have to say we valued intangibles like human rights, economic opportunity, peace, ... far more than you apparently do today.
Taxes are a powerful tool to drive certain types of behavior.
Ah, that is where we fundamentally disagree. I'm a big believer in equality under the law.
He is at least slightly visionary. I figure I'm averagely visionary, and here's what I come up with:
Screw that throw away flimsy ass lander vehicle thing. For what, red dirt on boots? Where's the profit in that?
Think big man. A real space ship. A real ship that lasts 100 years. It rotates for gravity and surrounded by water for radiation. Stay as long as you like. It's really big.
Impossible you say?
That's where the cheap ass subsidized reusable rocket comes in handy. It's a game changer in the right hands. Offices, dorms, laboratories, small scale manufacturing, a couple of rental condos, a little park; what would that rent for? Real geosynchronous orbit with Moon trips twice a year. What would countries pay to rent a suite on that? What deposits would they put down?
And then, o hay, we're goin' to Mars. It's no biggie really - a little extra food, extra fuel, we're going to be away awhile.
I go where I want and stay as long as I want, 'cause I'm Elon. Think about it man. I guess his next step is landing his shit on the barge while getting paid. You need to hurry up Elon.
Also their giant battery factory thing, which is worth something all by itself
Yep, finally somebody else sees this.
It was time to end NATO right after the USSR fell. When Clinton was buying drinks for Yeltsin in Ukraine, he should have been signing the end of NATO instead of agreeing to substitute our nukes for theirs.
That would have been a nice legacy for a pacifist Democrat, and things would be a lot easier for us today in a number of places.
Hard to believe your false argument gets modded like that. I guess people are angry. Also, evil drug company. They really are.
But no you don't go to 5% after 10%. That's down to the point of not worth it. Which is the whole point of low corporate taxes. Hell, at 10%, it's hardly worth paying a gaggle of accountants to get out of everything. Pay it and be done with it. But half of the exorbitant 25% that they are paying; millions and millions of dollars (most not even earned in the US), is totally worth it. But no, we wouldn't even have to match Ireland's hypothetical 10%.
You're right about one thing; no pandering to Pfizer. There should be a reasonable tax rate that everybody pays, and nobody gets out of. A 35% corporate rate ain't even close to reasonable.
Yeah that counts Obama's subsidiary, GM, paying 0%. And Warren Buffet's trains, paying very little, while they build America, carrying that oil that will never be on the Keystone pipeline. And other guys like them, making the majority of the money that 12% is a percent of.
On the other side of that 12%, you have your Mom & Pop, trying to do their own taxes on paper, paying closer to 35%. And Pfizer, who, per the article, could apparently do no better than 25%.
25% on all profits, worldwide. That's after they already paid whatever tax in each country. They are moving for 12%. They would have stayed at 15%.
He's right. The blaming Reagan is wearing kinda thin after all these years.
You can just tell if someone's wallet is getting paid? I assume a wallet is like an account; I've never used bitcoin.
You can just look that shit up? The all-anonymous bitcoin? I'm skeptical.
Heh, I do understand that.
It's Jenkins though. Not Jones.
One guy: "‘When it comes to terrorist attacks, one of the big worries is that you could take down forums and cost someone their lives,’ a GhostSec spokesman known only as Digital Shadow told..." And it is the really the article author that is telling us, even Mr. Shadow simply said it was a worry.
I didn't think Anon was all that good before, something like the medicine is as bad as the disease. You could say they were close to terrorists themselves, as their releases hurt lots of good people, no matter how worthy their cause was.
This is of course, a good cause. The best. If there was ever a way for Anon to redeem themselves, not just to me, but to the intel hawks in Washington that hate them; this is it. I don't think Intel is complaining, and If they are smart, they can use this to enrich, verify, and prune the intelligence they have now. If they are watching people that get Anon-rolled, then they will see results and reactions, or the lack thereof; all of which is good intel.
Fox and Friends is the name of a show on Fox News. He meant right-wing media only.
The fact that you didn't know that gives me hope for this country.
Okay. It is unclear then why you drug Christians or even homeopathy into it.
On the subject, we were fine with our free and open society when prescriptions could not be advertised. I would support going back to that. There is no right to advertise cialis on my television.
Ah. That's what industry groups are for. If they are doing a good job (which they do), then as a taxpayer, why would I want to take on that cost for no additional benefit?
Additionally, once trusted industry groups are known, then the pool of companies that should be closely monitored, like these guys, shrinks considerably.
So what were you thinking the fee would be, to submit your supplement, let's say it's fiber, to the FDA for efficacy certification?
That is not true about the completely uninspected thing. They can come anytime they want with the authority of God's nephews. I'm sure statistics can be had that show that a Federal employee has not inspected the majority of sites in a given year. But believe me, you live in fear of the FDA if you're in the industry. Well, except I guess, these guys. I bet they got the fear now.
And everything you listed; inspect, test, enforce; I am in complete agreement with. That is exactly what the FDA is supposed to be doing.
I'm talking about the kind of regulations that cost you hundreds of man-hours before you can even begin to do business, and then you have to wait months for an answer before you can ship product. And the answer is often 'Need clarity on section 5, subsection D, pages 323-344...'
That is what they mean by a strong, well-funded regulatory agency. The FDA and FTC have all the authority they need right now, and then some. If they are not getting enough money, then possibly we should be looking at the Federal budget.
What, I missed a joke or something? Did you not say that churches compete with, and so are somehow against, modern medicine? And you said that they are doing well at it.
Modern medicine, which saves countless lives, is somehow opposed by the church, who then, logically, would want people to die.
Explain to me how that it is not hateful.
I loved WoW, and still miss it terribly. I would have loved to see WoW developed into everything it could have been. 12 million was it almost breaking into the mainstream. They were so close to the perfect game...
Here's a scenario: WoW does so poorly that Activision sells it off to a private investor, who once was a feral druid...
Oh I doubt that. Activision killed Titan and repurposed the art. I'd bet a dollar on that.
I'll bet two dollars they used the term 'leverage' in the meeting.
What's left of Blizzard, if anything, hides deep in the bowels of the building, retaining the authority to decide between 92,500 and 92,750 damage for an attack.
I can't imagine much more than that can possibly be left. If there is, it certainly doesn't show in WoW.
Medicine already has competition: churches, faith healers, supplement companies, homeopathy.
...
No matter the subject, gotta use the opportunity to hate on Christians. As long as you get a mean and sarcastic jab in, then I guess you've made the world a better place. Is that about it? Note in this case though, how the hater throws hippies in with the fundamentalist Christians. (I'd bet that faith healing Christians and homeopathic hippies are about the same percentage of their respective groups). Equal opportunity hater. How American.
That's the usual stuff from mean people lately, but the supplement companies thing is a newer twist; these intolerant people have that on their agenda lately. Can't allow dumber people than themselves to do business unsupervised. Forget that supplement companies (and their customers) have led the way in recent revelations on probiotics and the microbiome.
"certify efficacy"
That's your rabbit hole right there. Not only can no amount of paperwork do such a thing for most supplements, that requirement would almost guarantee that nothing new could be discovered.
We're not talking about something like an antibiotic, where it cures a disease in a short time and is easy to see. Where some scientist had a theory and tested it out in a safe and controlled manner. We're talking about concentrated food in a capsule, that may or may not have some effect on you, but it's calories with some nutritional value nonetheless. If you had some glaring deficiency, a supplement could feel like a miracle cure. Most people wouldn't believe you, and the supplement wouldn't have the same effect on them, but that's fine, isn't it?
Now these guys apparently lied about the ingredients, which is already very tightly controlled by both the FDA and the FTC for anything you put in your mouth.
It's already illegal to poison people.
Why would you forbid me to buy rose hips or dandelion essence or whatever? Ah, you wouldn't forbid. You would regulate to the point that only Johnson & Johnson could possibly sell the stuff.
You'd use this lying about ingredients to impose the strict regulations you wanted all along, and put all supplement makers out of business.
Holy crap are we trading freedom for safety.
Did anyone die? Did people get what they paid for?
Mod up. That sort of wraps up the discussion.
I'll add: Congress wouldn't have given the money for Apollo either. Kennedy did that, and he had to do 3 things to get it done.
1. Give a damn good speech.
2. Back the Soviets down in Cuba.
3. Get shot in the head.
Why AC?