Well, if we're talking about prices... I think that the best way is subscription that lets you download X songs per month or even unlimited maybe... *shrug*.
Ratio? I am not sure. But the fact is that Wikipedia is growing and that I gladly read its articles and most of the time its pages are full of useful data and not of "SUCK MY COCK" vandalisms. And any article is important. I'd rather see an existing biased data that gives me some data instead of nothing at all.
Yes... Or it could be spent on watching the exact same crappy movie after you pay for it. I am not saying that EVERYONE will come and use and payed services but as long as using the P2P is more complicated/slow than downloading payed MP3s from your service, I believe most people will use it.
The problem is that companies refuse to go there. We mostly see crappy DRM music services or even crappier movie ones. And if the DRM wasn't enough, we are faced with a REALLY crappy amount of files to choose from. Here's a requirement from MP3 selling service that I expect:
1) Open standard (MP3/Ogg) 2) Vast variety (yes, that includes those little bands! If we can't buy them from you, how else do you expect us to get them??) 3) Fair prices (we're flexible, iTunes prices are just fine... Though of course AllOfMyMp3 prices are more welcome) 4) Lyrics! You have a cerntralized server, use this fact. 5) Let us choose the bitrate we want (like in AllOfMyMp3s) 6) Have FULL mp3 tags in your servers. That's maybe our hobby but that's your business. 8) Bonus, but would be really nice if you interface somehow with MP3GAIN. 9) Smart site gui. All your hard work would go to waste if you don't let us a good interface to choose songs/albums to download.
If something like that will ever exist, count me, any many others, in.
Wikipedia gave me a lot to think about. I think it is a great show of how there are more contributing people that leeching ones. So... A bit more faith in humanity please.
Also. The fact remains is that right now (except perhaps "AllOfMyMp3s") there are no services that let you download mp3 flies legally. As soon as there are such, people will flock there, I am sure.
After all, people just want their music/movies. Just as with anything else, you don't give them what they want, a black market starts to develop.
I don't understand you. Are you saying that any crime is to be punished by prison?
This violation of the law is apparently NOT punishable by imprisonment in Sweden. That's why it is the first case will decide the future of similar following cases.
All I was trying to say is that it seems that in P2P cases the authorities are not trying to match the crime with an appropriate punishment but rather beat someone to death to stop the others from doing it. I find this behavior wrong.
Lets be imaginative. What's the monetary value of the feelings and pain you caused by rape? I'd say pretty high.
How does this value compare to downloading songs (some of which you might own, some of which caused you to buy other songs and some of which you find terrible and deleted afterwards)?
Now if for doing the second you get to be sent to prison, what should a person get for a rape?
Just the fact that a person downloads a media, doesn't mean he won't pay for it. Because: 1) Our morals tell us to PAY the person for the product. 2) We now KNOW that the product is good and we are not being CHEATED as we are from time to time when we buy product without knowing if we like it or not.
And if we downloaded something and didn't pay, well, it is probably because the product was NO GOOD. So what did you lose? A disappointed customer?
"trying to water down property rights"? Hell, of course we do. We try our best. Read about a bit about the evolution of these monstrosities that now plague the public. Unreasonable patents/copyright suits, they all come from the same source.
In my opinion, if P2P didn't evolve in time, we'd be soon enough living in DRM/TCPA world.
And on a more personal note. I BOUGHT several songs (NOT albums) of artists that I got to know ONLY by P2P. Also, I bought a game that I already downloaded because it was good and I thought they deserve it (I never bothered installing the bought version it though because I don't need all the INSERT CD stuff). Also I went to cinema to see movies that I downloaded AND found them good.
If you don't understand how it is possible to BUY something you got for FREE, then, my friend, you have something bad with your morals.
Ugh, for crying out loud. I can only hope that the judges are more sane than the persecutors.
It is still a question if that's "stealing" at all but they just have to put someone in prison for it anyway.
Seems like what they're hoping for is that the whole P2P is a bad dream and if they POP it hard enough, it will all go at once. Next aim would be to put a man on an electric chair, I guess?
So... How hard do they need to abuse the next victim for you to stop downloading? Prison? Ass rape? Work camps? Sheesh.
And what do you call it when the evil rhetoric of the enemy calls to punish to infidels? Or plays on the grey border of the freedom of speech?
Again, I am not familar with this site. But if they really called, as commented by another user, to murder the infidels and helped to fund terrorist grousp (by helping/calling/organizing)... Well, that's just beyond freedom of speech for me.
I have no doubt that some dictators used the same words. But I assure you that even greater dictators mentioned FREEDOM quite a few times themselves, e.g Lenin/Stalin. So lets not try to find similarity between our words and some monster's.
Back on the subject, however, I meant more outcry of the parent for the americans wanting to "lose their freedom" and not this case specifically as it is not at all sure that the goverment had anything to do with the closing of the site.
HOWEVER, I do believe there are limits to speech freedom. It is all a very delicate subject, no doubt, but there still are. Calling for murder, libeling, telling lies that influence the stock market are all done by speech and should by protected, by your words, by the FREEDOM OF SPEECH. As reality states, and I agree, they should not.
Whether this case was above or below the proper speech, I am not sure. I simply don't have enough information about this case... Nor I know really that it was closed by the goverment.
It is great to have higher standards and work for freedom, but sometimes it is worthwile to do a reality check and see where the rest of the world stands.
Sure, it is much HYPED app. But I've yet to hear about how great it actually is. Who even said it will catch and deliver? Why eXeem lite and not X lite, when X can be any ad-sponsored program on ZeroPaid?
And while we on it. Why so many Slashdot articles on this? Promote it when eXeem is worth it.
I agree, it takes much more time to make Miranda as good as the (again, NOT FREE) Trillian.
However, after you mess with it a few hours (or less, dependson you needs). You've something that surprasses Trillian in many ways, much more customizable and basically you get what you wanted.
In Trillian it is much more fixed and like it or not, there's not too much room to advance.
Also, specifically Trillian 3 really disappointed me with a BLOATED interface and sluggish appearance. I asked an IM, not a monster.
They also ignored any kind of freeware, not only Linux ones, SpamPal for example.
Also, their reviews were pretty shallow, I would expect at least to know how am I to connect to this spam filter, there are numerous ways, some better, some worse.
> I'd still want Sid Meyer to be part of the development team though.
SidMeyer(tm) is merely a trademark. His work on Civilization was most innovating but he obviously had a writing block ever since.
Furthermore I quote from Wikipedia (http://tinyurl.com/3knkk): "Unknown to many, both Sid Meier's Civilization II and Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri were primarily his designs, not Sid_Meier's. Both games, however, borrow from Sid's original Civilization."
While Civilization was innovative and great Civilization 2 was fantastic and bested the original, Alpha Centuari was the climax of the genre, at least for me. Epic story, detailed leaders and most immersive gameplay (and most crappy graphics, but then again, we don't want any!).
Alpha Centauri was also when Bryan and Sid parted. Sid kept working on the "graphically advanced" Civilization 3 that lagged, didn't invent anything new and was overall a HUGE disappointment for me.
Bryan, on the other hand, did in the while the most innovative RTS: "Rise of Nations".
It is sad when one does all the work and the trademark guy actually gets all the credit.
Thing is, the problems Firefox has, are quite large.
For one there's the absurd memory leak, sometimes an awful CPU usage, sometimes forms and such get ouf of focus for no apparent reason and more and more.
It is possible that it happens to me because of "Tabbrowser extensions" which isn't the most popular extension. Never the less, in my opinion, as it stands, Firefox is not ready. I say it, even though I converted the whole house to Firefox.
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Well, if we're talking about prices... I think that the best way is subscription that lets you download X songs per month or even unlimited maybe... *shrug*.
Ratio? I am not sure. But the fact is that Wikipedia is growing and that I gladly read its articles and most of the time its pages are full of useful data and not of "SUCK MY COCK" vandalisms. And any article is important. I'd rather see an existing biased data that gives me some data instead of nothing at all.
Yes... Or it could be spent on watching the exact same crappy movie after you pay for it. I am not saying that EVERYONE will come and use and payed services but as long as using the P2P is more complicated/slow than downloading payed MP3s from your service, I believe most people will use it.
The problem is that companies refuse to go there. We mostly see crappy DRM music services or even crappier movie ones. And if the DRM wasn't enough, we are faced with a REALLY crappy amount of files to choose from. Here's a requirement from MP3 selling service that I expect:
1) Open standard (MP3/Ogg)
2) Vast variety (yes, that includes those little bands! If we can't buy them from you, how else do you expect us to get them??)
3) Fair prices (we're flexible, iTunes prices are just fine... Though of course AllOfMyMp3 prices are more welcome)
4) Lyrics! You have a cerntralized server, use this fact.
5) Let us choose the bitrate we want (like in AllOfMyMp3s)
6) Have FULL mp3 tags in your servers. That's maybe our hobby but that's your business.
8) Bonus, but would be really nice if you interface somehow with MP3GAIN.
9) Smart site gui. All your hard work would go to waste if you don't let us a good interface to choose songs/albums to download.
If something like that will ever exist, count me, any many others, in.
My bad. I meant to write: "there are no services that let you download DRM FREE mp3 flies legally."
Wikipedia gave me a lot to think about. I think it is a great show of how there are more contributing people that leeching ones. So... A bit more faith in humanity please.
Also. The fact remains is that right now (except perhaps "AllOfMyMp3s") there are no services that let you download mp3 flies legally. As soon as there are such, people will flock there, I am sure.
After all, people just want their music/movies. Just as with anything else, you don't give them what they want, a black market starts to develop.
I don't understand you. Are you saying that any crime is to be punished by prison?
This violation of the law is apparently NOT punishable by imprisonment in Sweden. That's why it is the first case will decide the future of similar following cases.
All I was trying to say is that it seems that in P2P cases the authorities are not trying to match the crime with an appropriate punishment but rather beat someone to death to stop the others from doing it. I find this behavior wrong.
Lets be imaginative. What's the monetary value of the feelings and pain you caused by rape? I'd say pretty high.
How does this value compare to downloading songs (some of which you might own, some of which caused you to buy other songs and some of which you find terrible and deleted afterwards)?
Now if for doing the second you get to be sent to prison, what should a person get for a rape?
Just the fact that a person downloads a media, doesn't mean he won't pay for it. Because:
1) Our morals tell us to PAY the person for the product.
2) We now KNOW that the product is good and we are not being CHEATED as we are from time to time when we buy product without knowing if we like it or not.
And if we downloaded something and didn't pay, well, it is probably because the product was NO GOOD. So what did you lose? A disappointed customer?
"trying to water down property rights"? Hell, of course we do. We try our best. Read about a bit about the evolution of these monstrosities that now plague the public. Unreasonable patents/copyright suits, they all come from the same source.
In my opinion, if P2P didn't evolve in time, we'd be soon enough living in DRM/TCPA world.
And on a more personal note. I BOUGHT several songs (NOT albums) of artists that I got to know ONLY by P2P.
Also, I bought a game that I already downloaded because it was good and I thought they deserve it (I never bothered installing the bought version it though because I don't need all the INSERT CD stuff).
Also I went to cinema to see movies that I downloaded AND found them good.
If you don't understand how it is possible to BUY something you got for FREE, then, my friend, you have something bad with your morals.
Doesn't it give a LOT of power to the prosecutor? Basically he alone can release a man or not prosecutoe at all if he decides there are no evidence?
Sounds weird...
On the same note. Maybe prison in Sweden is not bad after all, or so we can learn from this article.
With such prisons he might as well trade a large money fine for a few years in the no-security prisons in Sweden.
(Is there wi-fi in these prisons, I wonder)
Ugh, for crying out loud. I can only hope that the judges are more sane than the persecutors.
It is still a question if that's "stealing" at all but they just have to put someone in prison for it anyway.
Seems like what they're hoping for is that the whole P2P is a bad dream and if they POP it hard enough, it will all go at once. Next aim would be to put a man on an electric chair, I guess?
So... How hard do they need to abuse the next victim for you to stop downloading? Prison? Ass rape? Work camps? Sheesh.
So... Since they forgot to update it to 2005 right now it means that the text is currently public domain?
Never really understood what this means anyway. That the copyright is only valid till 2004?
And what do you call it when the evil rhetoric of the enemy calls to punish to infidels? Or plays on the grey border of the freedom of speech?
Again, I am not familar with this site. But if they really called, as commented by another user, to murder the infidels and helped to fund terrorist grousp (by helping/calling/organizing)... Well, that's just beyond freedom of speech for me.
I have no doubt that some dictators used the same words. But I assure you that even greater dictators mentioned FREEDOM quite a few times themselves, e.g Lenin/Stalin. So lets not try to find similarity between our words and some monster's.
Back on the subject, however, I meant more outcry of the parent for the americans wanting to "lose their freedom" and not this case specifically as it is not at all sure that the goverment had anything to do with the closing of the site.
HOWEVER, I do believe there are limits to speech freedom. It is all a very delicate subject, no doubt, but there still are. Calling for murder, libeling, telling lies that influence the stock market are all done by speech and should by protected, by your words, by the FREEDOM OF SPEECH. As reality states, and I agree, they should not.
Whether this case was above or below the proper speech, I am not sure. I simply don't have enough information about this case... Nor I know really that it was closed by the goverment.
It is great to have higher standards and work for freedom, but sometimes it is worthwile to do a reality check and see where the rest of the world stands.
When a democracy can't defend itself from people/cultures/countries that resect human freedom less, then the democracy dies.
Army is quite a freedom taker itself, for its own soldiers, don't you think? Yet, let's see one building a society in our world without one.
Not everyone saw the movie. I was quite close to skipping it myself.
P.S Year of birth: 1983.
For anyone who wonders, it is from Ghost Busters.
Sure, it is much HYPED app. But I've yet to hear about how great it actually is. Who even said it will catch and deliver? Why eXeem lite and not X lite, when X can be any ad-sponsored program on ZeroPaid?
And while we on it. Why so many Slashdot articles on this? Promote it when eXeem is worth it.
I agree, it takes much more time to make Miranda as good as the (again, NOT FREE) Trillian.
However, after you mess with it a few hours (or less, dependson you needs). You've something that surprasses Trillian in many ways, much more customizable and basically you get what you wanted.
In Trillian it is much more fixed and like it or not, there's not too much room to advance.
Also, specifically Trillian 3 really disappointed me with a BLOATED interface and sluggish appearance. I asked an IM, not a monster.
These kids probably WAREZed it!
The conlusion is that both pirated games AND violent games are great for society.
They also ignored any kind of freeware, not only Linux ones, SpamPal for example.
Also, their reviews were pretty shallow, I would expect at least to know how am I to connect to this spam filter, there are numerous ways, some better, some worse.
"It means that really a tiny minority with a very focused political agenda is trying to censor American television and radio.'""
Do we really need MORE people to try to censor the TV?
And that's a bad thing to do... At least with Bryan and Peter Molenux(sp) I know that they were in charge and know what to expect.
They're just ruining his name if it is really the way we think it is.
Heh, glad to spread truth ;)
What was your source btw?
> I'd still want Sid Meyer to be part of the development team though.
SidMeyer(tm) is merely a trademark. His work on Civilization was most innovating but he obviously had a writing block ever since.
Furthermore I quote from Wikipedia (http://tinyurl.com/3knkk):
"Unknown to many, both Sid Meier's Civilization II and Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri were primarily his designs, not Sid_Meier's. Both games, however, borrow from Sid's original Civilization."
While Civilization was innovative and great Civilization 2 was fantastic and bested the original, Alpha Centuari was the climax of the genre, at least for me. Epic story, detailed leaders and most immersive gameplay (and most crappy graphics, but then again, we don't want any!).
Alpha Centauri was also when Bryan and Sid parted. Sid kept working on the "graphically advanced" Civilization 3 that lagged, didn't invent anything new and was overall a HUGE disappointment for me.
Bryan, on the other hand, did in the while the most innovative RTS: "Rise of Nations".
It is sad when one does all the work and the trademark guy actually gets all the credit.
Thing is, the problems Firefox has, are quite large.
For one there's the absurd memory leak, sometimes an awful CPU usage, sometimes forms and such get ouf of focus for no apparent reason and more and more.
It is possible that it happens to me because of "Tabbrowser extensions" which isn't the most popular extension. Never the less, in my opinion, as it stands, Firefox is not ready. I say it, even though I converted the whole house to Firefox.